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Samsung Unveils Galaxy Tab 10.1, Galaxy S II

timothy posted more than 3 years ago | from the no-usb-what-are-you-smoking dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "At the Mobile World Congress in Barcelona, Samsung unveiled two new Android devices: the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1, running Android 3.0 (codenamed Honeycomb), and the Samsung Galaxy S II, running Android 2.3 (codenamed Gingerbread). The two have been leaked over and over for days, but now we finally have the official details."

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Good (1)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194750)

More competition in this market means more choices for consumers. I hope the new Galaxy & its data plans are priced a bit better in the US than its predecessor's. The data plans for it that Verizon offers certainly make it less desirable.

Re:Good (2)

dean.collins (862044) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194762)

bit dissapointed no usb and no hdmi.....limits connectivity and "adjunct" tools.

Missed the mark (2)

Taxman415a (863020) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194836)

Yeah, no USB and no HDMI drastically reduces the devices usefulness. With those a tablet could be a truly mobile computer. That leaves a big opening for the iPad 2, though I'd be surprised if Apple added both of those given how they have not yet offered the ability to connect to external storage on any of their iDevices. I don't see much that this Tab 10.1 offers better than before besides the speakers and the dual core processor. It's not that those are nothing, just not what it could have been.

Re:Missed the mark (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35194934)

The original Galaxy Tab had a standard (altough not so standard because no one else use it yet) dock connector. I am sure you can get a dock->HDMI cable. Unlike the iPad, it is NOT a proprietary connector. I hope they didn't change that for the Galaxy Tab 2.

Re:Missed the mark (0)

davester666 (731373) | more than 3 years ago | (#35196434)

Yes, those two features are definitely holding back the iPad, and it's clearly reflected in their sales.

Oh, wait. Only a few thousand nerds are demanding those features.

Re:Good (4, Informative)

Qwavel (733416) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194918)

It has a PDMI connector.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDMI [wikipedia.org]

This is a docking, charing, and connection port which includes support for USB3 and DisplayPort (which is easily converted to HDMI). It is like the non-proprietary equivalent of Apple's dock connnector.

Like you I am sad that this thing doesn't just give us a USB port, but a PDMI port will be a very good thing once they catch on and become widely supported, and if a lot of these Android tablets have PDMI ports then they will catch on soon.

The worst thing that could happen would be for each Android manufacturer to create their own proprietary and incompatible docking port. And it must have been tempting because then they get to make extra money charging crazy amounts for accessories.

Re:Good (3, Insightful)

karnal (22275) | more than 3 years ago | (#35195402)

Seriously, why would I want a PDMI or whatever other type of port? I'm seriously getting sick of having to buy adapters for every device just for the sake of simple communication.
I currently have to have a breakout connector for my HTC Fuze (yes, I know, outdated - but I'm holding out for dual core goodness) and am just as miffed at it for not having a dedicated 3.5 audio jack. I mean really, what's the point? Having to carry another breakout cable with me to gain basic functionality is something I will not consider again in a portable device.

Re:Good (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35196270)

Seriously, why would I want a PDMI or whatever other type of port? I'm seriously getting sick of having to buy adapters for every device just for the sake of simple communication.

Mainly most of us don't want to be limited to 'basic' charging and data only.

Todays phones not only need to charge and have data connectivity, but can pump sound and video out, as well as remote control connections for media players as well as have higher capacity batteries.

What you are seemingly asking for is a phone with a bunch of huge jacks all around it.
Most of us don't want a USB jack for power/data, a 1/8" headphone jack for audio, a standard video connector which is limited to either composite (RCA) for the low end, or VGA (db15h) for higher end.
The next smallest you will find for video is HDMI, which then raises the temptation for the manufacturer to add in DRM since it's supported out-of-the-protocol-box with that one.
Not to mention high amperage charging with the current line of power hungry devices and their matching batteries.

The genius of Apple's connector is that all of that and more is provided in one tiny *standard* connector. It's only downside is being proprietary and thus needs licensing to make/do anything with.

(Note that it only seems non-standard because Apple was the first to have to mass produce such a thing. That in and of itself is not bad. If they would have not required any licensing and allowed anyone to duplicate it's design, things would be about as perfect as they can get. Only their choice in not opening the connector design up is why there is any problem at all.)

The clear answer to that problem is another type of jack, equally small and genius as Apple's, but an open standard free for all to use.
That answer is PDMI.

Re:Good (2)

X_Bones (93097) | more than 3 years ago | (#35195764)

And what happens when you want to have a USB device and a DVI/HDMI device plugged in at the same time? PDMI is stupid. Why combine a general-purpose connector with a display-specific one?

Buy a PDMI dock with USB and HDMI (3, Insightful)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#35196568)

I'd assume you buy a PDMI dock with both a USB port and an HDMI port (with internal DisplayPort->HDMI converter), and then you can plug in a self-powered USB hub and connect devices that way.

Re:Good (1)

ToasterMonkey (467067) | more than 3 years ago | (#35196904)

It has a PDMI connector.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDMI [wikipedia.org]

This is a docking, charing, and connection port which includes support for USB3 and DisplayPort (which is easily converted to HDMI). It is like the non-proprietary equivalent of Apple's dock connnector.

Take your "facts" elsewhere mister, this is Slashdot!
Galaxy Tab cannot connect to projectors simply because I cannot see a VGA port in any pictures of the device I find online in 10 seconds of searching. iPads suffer the same fate, regardless of the dock/VGA adaptors in plain sight at aisle ends in Target and Walmart. All of these devices are doomed too, because I cannot afford them, and I don't want anything I can't afford because that's how I cope with life. They're stupid toys, but I take posting on Slashdot seriously.

=D

Re:Good (1)

Overzeetop (214511) | more than 3 years ago | (#35196178)

Not likely. No usb, bleeding edge connector (=not universal), no GPS, no removable storage at all. This is a color Kindle with lousy battery life that can play video. This model isn't equipped for CDMA/LTE networks, but even if it was, Verizon would still rape you with monthly fees.

Re:Good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35196188)

> means more choices for consumers.

I'm not a consumer, thank you very much. I am a customer who chooses where, if anywhere, to place my custom.

You can go and "consume" all you like.

my cock is leaking (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35194768)

into your mouth!

Re:my cock is leaking (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35194846)

Oh, is that what it is? I thought it was a really narrow straw.

Re:my cock is leaking (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35195276)

If it looked like half a golf pencil and had a goatee, it may have been CmdrTaco.

Still at these prices? (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35194776)

If Samsung wants the Galaxy Tab to take off, it needs to slash the price by at least a couple of hundred dollars. The first-generation tab sells for [amazon.com] $600, even though its capabilities are not so much beyond smartphones of two years ago, and you're getting Android instead of a full-featured OS.

The trend for electronics to decrease in price does not seem to have started yet for mobile. In a sense, we're still like those saps from the early 1980s who paid thousands (in 1980s dollars!) for desktops that even then were clunky.

Re:Still at these prices? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35195376)

Sells at the Sprint store for $299

Re:Still at these prices? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35195438)

Is that the no contract price? I didn't think so. I already have a data plan for my smartphone, I'm not going to get another one for a tablet. If I get a tablet, and it really needs mobile internet, it can wireless tether to my smart phone. But, the main reason I want a tablet is to read scientific papers and other things, in places where I have WiFi. If I am on the go, my smartphone will be sufficient. Try to read a PDF document on a widescreen low res laptop or a cell phone. Now a 10" tablet, you can hold in portrait mode, and won't be much smaller then a piece of paper. You can see the whole page at once. Right now if I want to read one, I have to either suffer through seeing only a portion of the document at once, read it at a desk with a large high res LCD, or print it.

No USB, no HDMI video out? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35194804)

Lame.

Is there an SD slot? Please tell me there's an SD slot at least.

I know space and weight are a premium, but why such a limited hardware interface? And why proprietary? What's the point of recording video if you have to hook it up to a computer and transfer it in order to play it on a TV or other output device? I suppose they expect to sell adapters and have users lug them around.

Re:No USB, no HDMI video out? (1)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194958)

Is there an SD slot? Please tell me there's an SD slot at least.

It doesn't look like it ... though it does have a SIM slot. SIM generates more revenue than SD ...

Re:No USB, no HDMI video out? (2)

Desler (1608317) | more than 3 years ago | (#35195410)

And why proprietary?

It's not proprietary. The article writer didn't bother to do 5 seconds of searching to find out that PDMI is an ANSI/CEA standard.

Re:No USB, no HDMI video out? (1)

exomondo (1725132) | more than 3 years ago | (#35196636)

What's the point of recording video if you have to hook it up to a computer and transfer it in order to play it on a TV or other output device?

DLNA? Play it straight to whatever device.

Nope (0)

Simple-Simmian (710342) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194842)

This isn't the Tablet I am looking for.
Supposedly the `market' can do better.
How come it's not doing so?

Re:Nope (1)

blackest_k (761565) | more than 3 years ago | (#35195004)

You might try the archos 70
its running 2.2 has hdmi out and apparently a full bluetooth stack and has usb if its the same as the 7 the usb can be host as well.

it does however lack gps or 3g but hopefully the gps functionality can be added in via a bluetooth gps unit. the 3g i don't particularly care to have since i can simply link with my android phone using barnacle.

price wise its pretty cheap around the same as a netbook i've seen them selling for 250 euro's
http://www.archos.com/products/ta/archos_70it/index.html?country=us&lang=en [archos.com]

Re:Nope (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 3 years ago | (#35195188)

it does however lack gps or 3g but hopefully the gps functionality can be added in via a bluetooth gps unit.

Not having 3g is a feature for me, not a problem.

"Leaked" (3)

ludomancer (921940) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194874)

"The two have been leaked over and over for days, but now we finally have the official details."

Haha, I haven't seen anything on it. Was this written by a pouty marketing guy who "leaked" his own products and no one cared? ;)

Still stuck on Eclair (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35194896)

From a usability point of view, I love my captivate. However, I'd be hesitant to purchase another product from this pairing of hardware vendor / wireless provider. My phone is still stuck on Eclair (Android 2.1) and there is no official way to upgrade it - the FAQ on their site states that they are unable to speculate on a release date.

A question about Android (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35194902)

I read somewhere (maybe on slashdot) that Android 3.0 Honeycomb is not suitable for phones... why?

Re:A question about Android (3, Informative)

usul294 (1163169) | more than 3 years ago | (#35195008)

The UI changes to the homescreen would be bad on a screen smaller than 7". Multiple windows, side menus, physical buttons replaced by software buttons, size of buttons relative to the screen, this sort of thing. Essentially with the bigger screen, screen space can be taken up by secondary needs (launcher, menus, options, etc), whereas on the small screen, 95% of the screen is dedicated to the user's immediate content, and things are relatively big to improve the user experience. In Honeycomb, UI elements are smaller, and screen area can be dedicated to not just a primary task, but useful information and quick access to facets of the program formerly hidden behind the menu button.

"doesn't have a USB or HDMI port" (2)

Misagon (1135) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194906)

That broke it for me ...

You can connect a proper keyboard to an iPad through a USB adapter or Bluetooth, and even some phones come with HDMI these days! Why can't we have them!?

Re:"doesn't have a USB or HDMI port" (1)

Gaygirlie (1657131) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194990)

That broke it for me ...

I was a tad intrigued about Galaxy Tab 10.1 at first, seeing how it sports Honeycomb and a 10.1" screen, but yeah, not having a USB port killed my interest quite fast.

Re:"doesn't have a USB or HDMI port" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35196984)

i picked up a viewsonic gtab recently just for that reason. can't wait to get honeycomb on it!

there are a few hardware letdowns, no gps (easy to hook up bluetooth gps tho...) and the screen isn't as nice as the ipads.
we're working on hacking the internals to fix some of these shortcomings. there is an unpopulated mini pci-e slot and a space for doubling the memory. the screen uses industry standard connector, we're trying to find an IPS screen that will drop right in.

Re:"doesn't have a USB or HDMI port" (1)

pointybits (818856) | more than 3 years ago | (#35195088)

It does support Bluetooth keyboards, all tablets with Honeycomb will (the Galaxy S also supports them through some Samsung customizations). HDMI and USB is provided through the dock connector and the $50 multimedia dock.

Re:"doesn't have a USB or HDMI port" (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 3 years ago | (#35195132)

This thing does have a docking connector of some sort. Assuming that they aren't total assholes, it should be a PDMI connector, which is amply capable(USB2OTG, USB3 slave and host, displayport, some charging lines) and a standard, albeit not yet widely deployed.

If it is some samsung proprietary port, then that is nearly useless. It'll have all the openness of Apple's pet connector, with far less ubiquity. Hooray!

Re:"doesn't have a USB or HDMI port" (1)

DaveOrZach (1002903) | more than 3 years ago | (#35195234)

I can see why you want a USB port for a table; transfer photos from cameras, share files via a flash drive, and a keyboard. I'm sure a 80% of the tablet market could find a use for USB port or USB adapter (I'm not a fan of the iPad adapter but it does work.) The added expense of the USB port would increase sales. The increase in sales would offset the increased cost of the tablet and increase profits. I don't think a significant majority needs a HDMI port at this time. The number one feature of a tablet is it extremely portable; laying in bed or couch at odd angles is one reason why I use my tablet. Having it tethered to your TV sounds like a pain in the ass. It also means I'd have to carry a cable with me at all times or leave one plugged into my TV and hope others others have a spare HDMI cable with their TV. Non-slashdot people won't like that solution and their purchasing power is much larger than the slashdot crowd. Apple's Airplay or similar technology is the better answer but Airplay isn't supported by other manufacture (I'm 99% sure it is proprietary.) The small increase of sales would not offset the increased cost of the tablet and decrease profits.

Re:"doesn't have a USB or HDMI port" (3, Insightful)

JanneM (7445) | more than 3 years ago | (#35195612)

A tablet with video output would be very convenient for presentations, though. Quite a lot of people do slide presentations as part of their work - researchers, university teachers, salespeople and public relations-people and many others. This would mean one less reason to bring a notebook in addition to - or instead of - your tablet.

For presentations the port absolutely has to have a VGA output or be easily converted to it. Most projectors in public venues have only VGA input - I've yet to see a digital input offered anywhere so far - and without it, a tablet would be useless for this.

Re:"doesn't have a USB or HDMI port" (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 3 years ago | (#35196842)

The iPad has a dock to VGA adaptor, presumably so would the Tab?

When speaking I always travel with connectors for VGA, DVI, and HDMI - you never know what you will find when you get there, even if you ask ahead of time.

Samsung Support (4, Informative)

stoolpigeon (454276) | more than 3 years ago | (#35194970)

Based on my experience with my Galaxy S - I'm not going to be buying a Samsung phone again real soon.

I just got 2.2 and the manner to upgrade was pretty lame. (Requires a PC and software that only runs on 32 bit windows) I don't expect to ever get 2.3 on it. When I bought it 2.2 was "just around the corner", which turned out to be around a year.

The GPS is busted, Samsung has never, to my knowledge, addressed the issue and I've just come to accept that my phone doesn't have GPS. I've seen some fixes that involve opening up the phone and messing with some parts, but I'm not interested.

The screen is gorgeous, a lot of things work well, but for what I payed ($500) I expect all of it to work well and for decent support.

Re:Samsung Support (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35195096)

Can't comment on much of what you've said, but can see the phone has only been available for 8months, so around a year for the upgrade is something of an exageration. 2.2 hasn't even been available for a year.

Re:Samsung Support (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35195160)

Your reasons are part of why I don't buy Korean and Chinese designed equipment. They almost always look better on paper than in practice.

Re:Samsung Support (2)

gblfxt (931709) | more than 3 years ago | (#35195224)

it seems the 2.2 update fixed my gps on the vibrant, but yes, a year later does suck.

Re:Samsung Support (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35195240)

You're lucky. Customers on AT&T in the US still don't have 2.2 officially at this point. I completely agree with your sentiments -- gorgeous screen, horrible support.

Re:Samsung Support (3, Informative)

pointybits (818856) | more than 3 years ago | (#35195270)

Blame your carrier, people in the rest of the world have had the 2.2 upgrade since October-November last year.

Re:Samsung Support (1)

downundarob (184525) | more than 3 years ago | (#35196080)

Really?? Still waiting for my 2.2 upgrade, but it is Telstra Australia I'm waiting on, so it may be 2015 before that happens.

Re:Samsung Support (3, Insightful)

pointybits (818856) | more than 3 years ago | (#35196628)

According to this [xda-developers.com] all the other Australian carriers already have it. Some European phones have an official version 2.2.1 upgrade now, which is a huge performance improvement. You can flash custom ROMs with this as a base. Also Cyanogenmod 7 for SGS, based on Gingerbread, is in alpha testing.

Re:Samsung Support (3, Insightful)

thegarbz (1787294) | more than 3 years ago | (#35195278)

I couldn't disagree more. Well I agree on some parts. Keis is a retarded piece of crap, but it runs just fine on every version of windows i've tried including 64bit variants. By fine I mean as much as iTunes runs fine. After all that is exactly what they were going for. Update to Froyo was painless and I wated longer on my carrier then on Samsung.

As for the GPS, mine obtains quality locks within 10-20 sec, and for kicks we drove through the city once with my phone, the Navigon app and my Garmin GPS. The phone did great, the Garmin kept dropping out and thinking w were on the wrong street.

Sucks that you had a bad experience, but as long as Samsung release the promised 2.3 update for my phone, this will be the first in a many long line of Samsung devices I throw my money towards. - Posted from Galaxy S

Re:Samsung Support (1)

stoolpigeon (454276) | more than 3 years ago | (#35195824)

I loaded Keis on my 64 bit, win 7 machine and it would not recognize that the phone was connected. I couldn't figure out the issue until I found a post on the t-mobile site that said it had issues on 64 bit machines. ( Here is the thread http://forums.t-mobile.com/t5/Samsung-Vibrant/Samsung-Vibrant-software-upgrade-to-Android-2-2-Froyo-now/td-p/678871 [t-mobile.com] )

This does remind me of another issue with the phone though. For whatever reason, it doesn't work as a mass storage device via usb unless the drivers are downloaded and installed from Samsung first. There are a completely set of different drivers that need to be installed for using Keis. Again, this is completely lame. What's worse is there are none released for Linux. To get that to work I need to use the Android SDK.

I'm glad your GPS works well, but I think we can both agree that a very large number of people don't share your experience. Googling "fix vibrant gps" returns about 348,000 results and so far the one fix that is supposed to be the most reliable is in the xda forums and involves opening up the phone and messing with the gps antenna or something. I didn't read it all because I new I wouldn't do it.

Re:Samsung Support (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35196906)

I would suggest a custom rom such as Darky's. I have been running 2.2 on my Galaxy S with various roms since October last year. Very easy to do and easy to change roms, no need to use Kies. It also made my GPS actually work.

But in the future I wholeheartedly agree that I will not be purchasing another Samsung phone unless they release 2.3 for the Galaxy S soon. I am not holding my breath.

Re:Samsung Support (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35196046)

Yeah. My Gps works very well also. I did some minor tweak (software relate) the first week I had it. Also applied the one click lag fix after the first month. Great phone really. All those things should have been taken care of out of the box by the carrier or Samsung. But seriously, the Nexus S is based on the Galaxy S. It really is a rockin awesome phone that had a couple early Quality Control issues out of the gate. But very quickly and easily fixable.

I'd def choose the next Galaxy from Samsung. Samsung is doing great to compete against the iPhone. And yeah I love the iPhone 4. It is a better device.

Love the Android freedom though :-)

Re:Samsung Support (1)

rrossman2 (844318) | more than 3 years ago | (#35195280)

My GPS acted up with the stock 2.1 firmware, but that was it. I re-flashed the phone and all was good. I've since moved on to 2.2, and now a 2.2/2.3 hybrid ROM and haven't had an issue since.

Re:Samsung Support (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35195352)

I had a similar experience with the Moment. Sprint and Samsung lost my business due forever to that POS. I'm now rocking a G2 on T-mobile, with 2.2 out of the box, and already running a rather slick Gingerbread experience by way of Cyanogen Mod 7. It's a beautiful thing.

Re:Samsung Support (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35195428)

This is typical of the Korean and Chinese/Taiwanese phones, which is why I won't buy them. They do three things wrong, consistently:
1. Poor build quality (some features are advertised and then never work.)
2. No firmware updates
3. Overpriced for the feature level compared with other devices in respect to the build quality.

eg, it's not an iPad, therefor it shouldn't be priced like an iPad.

Re:Samsung Support (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35196022)

KIES works with Windows7 64bit just fine.

Re:Samsung Support (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35196196)

I've the international SGS 9000 here. I rooted it and put a custom ROM on it the minute I got it home ( - no, this doesn't void your warranty as you'd flash back to stock ROM if you'd need to). Rooting isn't needed to flash a custom ROM btw.

By doing this I get way longer battery life, instant GPS lock, Android 2.2.1. 2.3 is around the corner with test versions of Cyanogen Mod out there for the SGS9000. Most things work, but it's still alpha/beta quality.

Having said that, if you buy an Android device and want to receive the latest updates I suppose you have to buy from Google or HTC. (look at Sony, is their X10 on 2.2 yet?)

The ROM I'm using is Darky's ROM if anyone's interested. Eagerly awaiting Cyanogen mod to be stable.

Re:Samsung Support (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35196240)

its not samsung. its your damn USA carriers. i got an international galaxy s. i have froyo since 5 month officially. 7 with the betas. and 2.2.1 since 2 solid month. what i dont have and dont know if we will get is 2.3. so blame carriers. samsung isnt great software wise but theyre ok. the browser is even GPU accelerated

Re:Samsung Support (1)

fatmatt_oz (680839) | more than 3 years ago | (#35196486)

My gripe isn't so much that they took so long to put out a software/OS upgrade for the Galaxy S. The real problem was that the Samsung released such a crappy version of Android to start with, this isn't about OS version numbers it's about the software either not working or not working well. My HTC carrying friends weren't complaining about a lack of responsiveness from their phones or random crashes anywhere near as much as the Samsung people. I'm running one of the custom/modded firmwares now and I can see how the phone is supposed to work given it's hardware. I tell my friends to look at the HTC's or buy an Iphone if they ask me now.

Re:Samsung Support (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35196726)

kies works fine here, Windows 7 64-bit.

MWC Has not even started yet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35195012)

WTF? Samsung unveiled at MWC?

The congress has not even started yet ...

It starts Tomorrow 14th.

Great! Another device they won't update... (1)

mykos (1627575) | more than 3 years ago | (#35195178)

I still feel terrible about recommending a Samsung Fascinate to a friend last year, thinking a Froyo update was just around the corner. So far they've fixed none of its bugs, and that Froyo update that I thought she's get in September might be coming out this month.

I don't know if I will support a company who takes a fire-and-forget approach with their devices. I mean, other phone makers do it too, but they're the masters of device apathy.

Re:Great! Another device they won't update... (1)

JonySuede (1908576) | more than 3 years ago | (#35195274)

I hope you learn your lesson: never, ever recommends hardware that you did not use. Especially to someone of the opposite sex.

Re:Great! Another device they won't update... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35195868)

Ummm, we're talking about phones, right?

Re:Great! Another device they won't update... (1)

gmhowell (26755) | more than 3 years ago | (#35196112)

I hope you learn your lesson: never, ever recommends hardware that you did not use. Especially to someone of the opposite sex.

I might recommend a Hitachi Wonderwand, but no way in hell am I using one. Given my biology, I'm not even sure how I would... (And no, I don't need a link to a Rule 34 explanation of how a guy would use one.)

Re:Great! Another device they won't update... (1)

polaris20 (893532) | more than 3 years ago | (#35195710)

I agree. Android is great, but Samsung is definitely not the company you want to pick for devices. Will the Galaxy Tab ever get the 3.0 update? Probably not. Will it even get 2.3? Probably not. Nice $600 device.

Re:Great! Another device they won't update... (1)

BrendaEM (871664) | more than 3 years ago | (#35196210)

I agree! It's like the "bow upgrade" from the Thief video game, a running joke. The trick is figuring out to keep people from buying Samsung products until they support them.

What? no USB or HDMI (1)

Gbor (1224066) | more than 3 years ago | (#35195186)

> it uses Samsung's proprietary charging cable and > doesn't have USB or HDMI ports Who's brilliant idea was this? Android is about being open, and they leave out these bits? Besides that, didn't they heard that in the EU we've a standardized charger plug?

Re:What? no USB or HDMI (1)

Desler (1608317) | more than 3 years ago | (#35195250)

What the fuck are you talking about? The Galaxy S and S II use micro-usb for the charging cable. Micro-USB is neither Samsung's nor is it proprietary.

Re:What? no USB or HDMI (1)

gblfxt (931709) | more than 3 years ago | (#35195312)

he was quoting from the article, which states it will be using a proprietary charging cable, and no USB (im guessing that includes micro-USB)

Re:What? no USB or HDMI (1)

Desler (1608317) | more than 3 years ago | (#35195382)

The article is wrong. The pictures of the Galaxy S II [engadget.com] shows a microusb charging port in the same spot as on the original.

Re:What? no USB or HDMI (1)

gblfxt (931709) | more than 3 years ago | (#35195522)

Yes, in the article it is a bit confusing, I think it was referring to the Tab, and they don't mention the microUSB. I hope you are right about the Galaxy S II being microUSB, otherwise I'm not getting it for sure, I hate proprietary power... :)

Re:What? no USB or HDMI (1)

RoboRay (735839) | more than 3 years ago | (#35196618)

It may be like the NookColor which uses a modified microUSB plug for power. You can charge the NC slowly (about 8 hours from dead to full) from a standard USB port and cable at 500mA (all the USB standard allows) OR you can charge the NC fast (in 2 hours) with a proprietary cable that plugs into the microUSB port and draws 1.9A from a wall-wart.

Re:What? no USB or HDMI (1)

gmhowell (26755) | more than 3 years ago | (#35196126)

Dear God those are shitty photos. This long in business and Engadget doesn't know how to use a flash?

But you are right in that anyone can use a PDMI connector. Maybe by pushing it on this device, we get the chicken/egg question answered? And won't the micro-USB have to stick around, at least on the phone, given the EU's choice of that as a standard plug?

Re:What? no USB or HDMI (1)

Desler (1608317) | more than 3 years ago | (#35195390)

And to further add, just like was pointed out in the other response, PDMI is neither proprietary nor some Samsung thing. It's an ANSI/CEA standard.

Re:What? no USB or HDMI (1)

pointybits (818856) | more than 3 years ago | (#35195284)

The tablet uses a PDMI [wikipedia.org] cable which is a standard, albeit an emerging one.

Re:What? no USB or HDMI (1)

gmhowell (26755) | more than 3 years ago | (#35196132)

The PDMI issue brings to mind the old saw: the best thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from.

Empty Promises (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35195242)

I WILL NOT buy another Samsung phone/tablet. I bought 3 Captivates when they came on on the big promises that a Froyo update was coming soon. They are now announcing the Captivate's successor and still no Froyo on the 3 I purchased.

We are getting ready to make a purchase of around 50 tablets for the company I work for. I'm not making an investment in Samsung again. If it was my personal phone I'd root the thing and be done with it, but I'm not operating the companies devices off of a hack because Samsung/AT&T can't get their crap together.

No Loyalty from Samsung (2)

moehoward (668736) | more than 3 years ago | (#35195298)

As a Galaxy S (Sprint) owner, I am outraged at the lack of upgrade to Android 2.2 that was promised 6 or 7 months ago. Yup, I got the point back then and it is reinforced now. Sprint AND Samsung have no loyalty to existing customers. They want to churn us to the Galaxy S2, which has even less battery time because it is so "slim". I'll take triple the thickness if it gives me double the battery time. Period.

At least freaking Apple tries to do upgrades. Sure, original iPhones can't be upgraded, but this sure beats what Samsung and Sprint have colluded to do regarding using the full hardware capacity of the phone that they promised to upgrade for me.

I use Sprint because they have the best coverage in my area, 4G and all. I'll suffer with Verizon after being a 14 year loyal customer to Sprint.

Moe

Re:No Loyalty from Samsung (3, Insightful)

Salvo (8037) | more than 3 years ago | (#35196164)

The fact that carriers refuse to let software updates through is pathetic. Anyone who can't get their software updated *within the warranty period* should return the device for warranty.

I think Microsoft have the right idea of enforcing Manufacturers and Carriers to be no more than one software update behind, but it certainly has affected them in their market penetration.

If you purchased an Apple iPhone or iPod Touch in the last 2 years (new, retail), you can still get the current OS. It may not work as well on "mature" hardware (such as the iPhone 3G and 2nd Gen iPod Touch), but you can install it.

Re:No Loyalty from Samsung (2)

exomondo (1725132) | more than 3 years ago | (#35196652)

As a Galaxy S (Sprint) owner, I am outraged at the lack of upgrade to Android 2.2 that was promised 6 or 7 months ago.

That's a problem with shitty US carriers, everywhere else the update is available for the Galaxy S.

Year of the tablet. (2)

GoochOwnsYou (1343661) | more than 3 years ago | (#35195336)

2010 was no doubt the year of the smartphone, but it feels like the market is bordering on saturation. There are just soooo many devices out there. Think about how many phones HTC alone released to market.

2011 is looking to be the year of the Tablet, we already knew about the 10" Galaxy Tab for a while, and Samsung also have a slider model (Wintel). Asus have 4 (Slider & Transformer 10", 12" Wintel & 7"), HTC are rumored to have 3 (one not using Honeycomb) in the pipeline, plus the Motorola Xoom & rumours of an iPad 2.

I personally like having keys, thats why I got the less powerful HTC Desire Z (T-Mobile G2) over the Desire HD despite prices offered were the same (outright, unlocked). I could see myself getting the eeePad Transformer despite this Galaxy Tab & Xoom look freaking awesome.

Re:Year of the tablet. (3, Insightful)

shallot (172865) | more than 3 years ago | (#35195508)

2010 was no doubt the year of the smartphone, but it feels like the market is bordering on saturation. There are just soooo many devices out there.

Yeah, look what the proliferation of PCs in 1990s did to the computer market. [...] Wait, what?

Dammit, you can't claim saturation *at least* until everyone has at least a handful of them. :)

Re:Year of the tablet. (2)

GoochOwnsYou (1343661) | more than 3 years ago | (#35195566)

Where will multiple phones suit people: especially considering they need to be on a plan. People wont fork out for more than one plan (unless there is a tax benifit for a business phone).

This is the age of converged devices, the smartphone boom is comming at the shrinking (at least in the west) of MP3 players, PDA's, dumbphones and in the future possibly handheld gaming devices.

Re:Year of the tablet. (1)

GiMP (10923) | more than 3 years ago | (#35196544)

I went from the HTC Dream (G1) to the Motorola Droid2 for the same reason as you: the keyboard. (I didn't go T-Mo G2 as I disliked the hinge) I've found myself wholly unable to use software keyboards. I thought the iPad was neat, but like the iPhone, decided it just wasn't for me. Not only did it have a horrible on-screen keyboard, but it was heavy to boot. Enter the Galaxy Tab...

Last week, I played with the Galaxy Tab for the first time and I must say: 7 inches is perfect for us hardware-keyboard holdouts. Yes, it is a software keyboard, but the width of the device and the size of the on-screen keys is absolutely perfect in portrait mode. I could type as well or better than I could on a hardware keyboard. Even special keys were handled quite well by the Tab's default keyboard, if I remember correctly. Related is that the smaller size equates to a smaller weight, which does help in typing.

I was finally a convert, or at least a potential one. Before, I didn't see myself buying a tablet due to the keyboard issue, or buying one and carrying a bluetooth keyboard (might as well have a netbook..) Now, however, I see myself having a 7" tablet - nothing smaller or larger, at least not if I'm paying for it.

So close, and yet so far... (3, Insightful)

Overzeetop (214511) | more than 3 years ago | (#35196154)

With all the good, you can't get anything onto it except via wireless or a dongle (connector cable to a PC), and you can't expand the memory (no microSD or SD slot, no usb). The connector has promise (USB, audio, control, display port), but it's a rare beast right now, so if PDMI fails, it's an instant dead end.

It also lacks a GPS chip, which means you're reliant on the cell network location for crappy mapping location services, or location via wi-fi. Hell, if I have wifi, I can just ask the guy at the table next to me where I am.

This might be interesting if it comes in at under $300. Otherwise it's going to be a pretty big yawn-fest.

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