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HP Donates To WebOS's Major Hombrewing Group

timothy posted more than 3 years ago | from the doing-good-is-doing-well dept.

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Kilrah_il writes "WebOS Internals Group is the central repository for all the homebrewing done on the WebOS platform, including apps, patches and kernels. Recently it became clear that server infrastructure would fall behind future progress in the WebOS world. 'So they asked HP's Phil McKinney, who has arranged to donate an HP Proliant DL385 2u server with 32 gigs of RAM and 8 terabytes of disk space... Notably, this is a straight-up donation, no strings attached — so WebOS Internals will remain how they always have: completely independent from the company whose OS they hack on.'"

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Hombre Wing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35195850)

sounds like some kind of anime.

Re:Hombre Wing (3, Insightful)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 3 years ago | (#35195916)

HP Donates To WebOS's Major Hombrewing Group

Actually, Major Hombre and his Group are tough customers.

Re:Hombre Wing (1)

Kilrah_il (1692978) | more than 3 years ago | (#35196458)

That'll teach me to proofread the title and not only the summery itself. My bad.

Re:Hombre Wing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35196500)

That'll teach me to proofread the title and not only the summery itself. My bad.

You dumb asshole. You are now officially a Slashdot editor. Your inability to correctly handle basic things has guaranteed you this position. You're welcome.

Re:Hombre Wing (1)

1u3hr (530656) | more than 3 years ago | (#35196978)

proofread the title and not only the summery itself.

You must be in the southern hemisphere; it's wintery here.

Re:Hombre Wing (1)

Kilrah_il (1692978) | more than 3 years ago | (#35198054)

And... I should stop posting comments at 5AM during a night shift. I mighte mek meny misteks

Re:Hombre Wing (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35196074)

Like Gundam but with large, squarish Mexicans instead of robots, fighting for control over the drug trade rather than justice.
Like Strike Witches but with scantily dressed hairy Mexican men instead of scantily dressed 8 year old girls, fighting over control of the drug trade instead of whatever the girls are fighting over.
Like Lucky Star but good!

Re:Hombre Wing (1)

adamofgreyskull (640712) | more than 3 years ago | (#35196220)

Isuzu Hombre Wings [ilovebodykits.com]

Good PR (5, Insightful)

Troll-Under-D'Bridge (1782952) | more than 3 years ago | (#35195876)

Now this is the sort of good PR you'd love to hear from a major company. Not legal threats (even if it's a mere cease-and-desist) against people trying to squeeze more juice from a device which they presumably own.

Re:Good PR (4, Insightful)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 3 years ago | (#35195904)

HP/WebOS is lagging behind Android, iOS and maybe even WinPhone7. Making sure that there's a reliable source for homebrewed apps, etc is a smart move. The homebrew efforts aren't going away so embrace them and let some of the creative & clever minds 'McGyver' your product into something that meets needs HP never thought of.

Re:Lagging behing WinPhone7?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35196146)

How can that even be?

Re:Lagging behing WinPhone7?? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35196292)

How can that even be?

because your mother is a slut with a very, very loose vagina. i mean i could put both my hand and my dick in there and jack off my dick in there. hate to break it to you bro.

Re:Lagging behing WinPhone7?? (0, Troll)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 3 years ago | (#35196514)

I think you confused his mom's vagina for your dad's anus. Totally understandable as they both are frequently seen wearing dresses.

Re:Lagging behing WinPhone7?? (1)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 3 years ago | (#35196352)

How can that even be?

I'm sure it has something to do with fuzzy math and imaginary numbers, but WinPhone7 has new phones on the market - and more importantnly in consumer's hands. Until the new WebOS phones actually go on sale they are in 4th place.

Re:Lagging behing WinPhone7?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35197210)

Until the new WebOS phones actually go on sale they are in 4th place.

4th???

The smartphone market share [pcpro.co.uk] for the last quarter of 2010 was:

Android (33%)
Symbian (32%)
iOS (16%)
Blackberry (15%)
Microsoft, old and new OSs combined share (3%)

WebOS would be 6th or worse.

Re:Lagging behing WinPhone7?? (1)

vegiVamp (518171) | more than 3 years ago | (#35197472)

I fully agree that a not-yet-released device can't very well hold a top selling position; but I was also under the impression that MS releases mostly numbers for devices shipped as opposed to sold to consumers, so it's a bit hard to say where they stand. Safe bet that there's at least a few junkies out there who bought one, though.

Re:Good PR (2)

sacherjj (7595) | more than 3 years ago | (#35196472)

The Custom Kernel released for the first Pre on Sprint is the only thing that makes it usable for me. Memory caching and changing processor speed from 500 MHz to 720, 800 or 1 GHz. (I just run 720 MHz.) WebOS Internals stays completely White Hat and respects HP/Palm IP rights. The work closely together and do great things.

People say that Android is open, but it isn't nearly as open as WebOS in what you can do. There is no jail breaking or anything like it. You enter dev mode and you have root. Period.

Re:Good PR (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35196670)

People say that Android is open, but it isn't nearly as open as WebOS in what you can do. There is no jail breaking or anything like it. You enter dev mode and you have root. Period.

Android doesn't allow downloaded apps to request root because it's a security risk, which is why su isn't included by default -- to get su, you must reflash the firmware. WebOS's developer mode construct is particularly awful, because an app which exploits the Javascript interpreter can simply toggle it on (unless it's been changed from before). The N1 requires physical access to the device, by making you reconfigure the bootloader.

Re:Good PR (1)

shog9 (154858) | more than 3 years ago | (#35196810)

And... So what? Enabling Dev Mode doesn't give running apps root access, it enables root terminal connections via the USB interface. Y'know, physical access.

The key difference is that you aren't forced to void your hardware warranty in order to reconfigure the software. Something also possible with Android devices, but sadly far from ubiquitous.

Re:Good PR (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35196898)

It's physical access determined by the operating system, so not really certain at all. Scores of escalations have existed because of that same flawed assumption.

How Open is WebOS (1)

dara (119068) | more than 3 years ago | (#35196752)

I was following Meego for the last few months and it was starting to look like the best alternative to Android for those that are completely annoyed by the closed Android phones and are left with only the Nexus S (with unimpressive hardware) or Geeksphone (even more unimpressive hardware) that are actually open in the true sense of the word. I was very disappointed to hear that Nokia isn't pushing Meego full steam onto the best hardware they can make. I considered WebOS for a bit based on some of the comments I've heard about the homebrew community, but my impression of the openness of system is that it is fully proprietary Linux and thus not an open system. Is there an equivalent of the AOSP? There other problem is that I don't get very excited about the Pre 3 hardware. A 3.6" screen? That is too small. I want something like Hitatchi's 4.5" 1280x720 screen and unitil that is available, I at least want a 4 to 4.3" 960x540 screen.

Is WebOS really going to grab any Meego deserters?

Re:How Open is WebOS (1)

bwcbwc (601780) | more than 3 years ago | (#35196796)

"my impression of the openness of system is that it is fully proprietary Linux and thus not an open system..."

You may want to edit that. There is no such thing as "fully proprietary Linux". If it isn't GPL, it isn't Linux. It make look and function like Linux, but if it's proprietary, it's probably HP-UX or another Unix derivative developed under HPs Unix reseller's license.

Re:How Open is WebOS (1)

ChunderDownunder (709234) | more than 3 years ago | (#35196932)

'linux' the kernel is, i'm sure, meeting HP's obligations under the GPL.
I think what's meant is the userland running above, in the same way google can license dalvik & other stuff as apache.

Re:How Open is WebOS (1)

bemymonkey (1244086) | more than 3 years ago | (#35196950)

I'm having more or less the same dilemna - Android seems to be becoming hackier and hackier, and I feel like we're back in the days of Windows Mobile. As long as HTC mainstream devices continue to be cracked wide open, we shouldn't have any problems, but there's got to be a better way... what I want to see is more devices designed for pure AOSP software, like the Nexus One/S - but multiple devices from all sorts of manufacturers. Big screens, small screens, hardware keyboards, touch-screen-only... let hardware manufacturers compete and differentiate with hardware, and merge their drivers and tweaks directly back into AOSP for continued use.

Hell, even the Nexus phones aren't being handled this way - the Nexus One Gingerbread builds, for instance, are still waiting on proprietary libs from the official OTA update. Why the fuck are there proprietary libs in THE open source Google phone aside from the G-Apps? :(

Re:How Open is WebOS (1)

Joe Seeder (546204) | more than 3 years ago | (#35197920)

I'm a Maemo user since it's dawn and i'm starting to lean towards the WebOS more and more ... Most likely I will get the WebOS tablet instead of MeeGo or anything else ( only BB Playbook looks like a contender here )

Re:How Open is WebOS (2)

Wdomburg (141264) | more than 3 years ago | (#35201212)

Actually, WebOS is overwhelmingly standard open source Linux component. Base system is a far more standard Linux kernel than Android uses and stock GNU glibc. The IPC is d-bus. System services run on top of either a JVM with the Apache Harmony classes in 1.x or on Node.js, which is powered by Google's V8 engine. Audio and media handling is PulseAudio and GStreamer. The official ROM includes a full suite of shell utilities with the busybox package, GNU binutils and even an ARM assembler.

And, probably most importantly, you can get root access without resorting to any sort of jailbreaking or re-flashing. Simply use the official developer kit and follow the official instructions to get access. Once logged in, it's a simple matter to add third-party repositories and install whatever packages (in the standard ipkg format) you want. Even an sshd daemon, for easy access.

how open are iPhone, Droid, Pre, N900? (2)

KWTm (808824) | more than 3 years ago | (#35202740)

People say that Android is open, but it isn't nearly as open as WebOS in what you can do. There is no jail breaking or anything like it. You enter dev mode and you have root. Period.

So, I guess a summary is:

iPhone: jailbreak and be willing to be excommunicated from Apple, and you have root
Droid: jailbreak, and you have root
Pre: enter dev mode, and you have root
N900: you have root

Re:Good PR (1)

gilesjuk (604902) | more than 3 years ago | (#35197234)

WebOS can multi task and has more software than WP7. I'd say that puts it ahead of WP7.

Re:Good PR (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 3 years ago | (#35199088)

I don't think that WebOS is behind WP7. It is actually a really good OS and can multitask and has a lot of software and games for it. I would even go so far as to say it may have more good games than Android does. Which sucks since I have Android.
WP7 doesn't even have Pandora and Angry Birds yet.

Re:Good PR (1)

alostpacket (1972110) | more than 3 years ago | (#35195926)

Indeed, I hope Motorola and Sony are paying attention.

Re:Good PR (1)

awshidahak (1282256) | more than 3 years ago | (#35195992)

True stuff. I don't understand why other companies don't do this.

Re:Good PR (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35196100)

True stuff. I don't understand why other companies don't do this.

because they're fucking niggers. no complicated reasoning, no verbose rationale. they're just niggers and nigger is as nigger does. that is all.

Re:Good PR (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35196690)

Oh damn, is it Racist Friday already? I totally forgot.

Re:Good PR (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35196162)

Yes, this insignificant donation to an OS which is essentially dead but HP hasn't publically admitted to it yet is great PR ... it means absolutely nothing, but its great PR and you've bought it, hook, line and sinker.

Re:Good PR (1)

symbolset (646467) | more than 3 years ago | (#35196854)

Yes, it's good PR. They should do more of it.

Seems pretty logical... (3, Interesting)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 3 years ago | (#35195902)

With the Palm acquisition, HP found themselves with a fairly nice mobile OS(with reasonable prospects of also doing Meego-esque tablet/netbook stuff); but one that was more or less dead last(even WinMo6.x has a legacy base).

It seems reasonable, then, for them to cozy up to the platform homebrewers. They are the conveniently-already-self-selected group who has the greatest enthusiasm for the product. They will also be the ones who volunteer themselves to test dubiously stable new features, experiment with stuff, and so forth. A useful asset, particularly if one does not have a large group of developers who support your platform for financial reasons.

Also, since(unlike Android or WP7), HP is currently the only distributor of WebOS devices, they have comparatively little to lose if homebrew ROMs circulate around. The only issue that might induce them to take a harder stance would be if commercial publishers start crying about piracy. We'll see if that happens...

Re:Seems pretty logical... (1)

bwcbwc (601780) | more than 3 years ago | (#35196780)

Or if the carriers insist on lockdown of WebOS phones -- which they will -- homebrew will be gone on those. At least the tablets and PCs should stay open.

Re:Seems pretty logical... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35198496)

WebOS phones have already been on Verizon, AT&T, and Sprint for well over a year and no one's insisting on anything...

Re:Seems pretty logical... (1)

bemymonkey (1244086) | more than 3 years ago | (#35196970)

Also, since(unlike Android or WP7), HP is currently the only distributor of WebOS devices, they have comparatively little to lose if homebrew ROMs circulate around. The only issue that might induce them to take a harder stance would be if commercial publishers start crying about piracy. We'll see if that happens...

Uh... wha? Don't HP have just as much incentive as any other company for planned obsolescence? Wanting to sell new devices instead of having users upgrade their existing devices is a concept completely independent of the number of distributors... :(

Re:Seems pretty logical... (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 3 years ago | (#35198166)

In a (for them) perfect world, HP certainly would like customers to re-buy for every last incremental patch and/or no reason at all. However, this world is hardly a perfect one for them, and their real focus right now has to be on getting customers to buy. If they can successfully do that, they can still count on the appeal of new and shiny, relatively high attrition rates among mobile devices, and the phenomenon of "Hey, consumer, get a FREE*(terms and restrictions may apply, subject to new 2-year contract) HP Whatever!" from the carriers.(also, for the moment, cellphones are in a period of relatively rapid spec change, especially RAM numbers, so it hardly takes deliberate malice to build WebOS N+1 that runs just fine on the new devices and runs like pure suck on the older ones.)

The certainly don't lose exactly zero; but they lose less than, say, a company whose super-special custom adroid shell enhancements can be ported to every other android handset released in the past year. If, of course, it turns out that the Huwai somethingorother, available for $100 pay as you go, also runs WebOS just fine, their stance may harden considerably...

At present, though, I would suspect that the situation would be not unlike that of Apple vs. MS when it comes to OSes. Both want you to pay for them; but MS, for whose system compatible hardware sold without any OS is trivially available, spends a fair amount of time trying to ferret out and suppress pirates. Apple, by contrast, certainly prefers that you buy your OS upgrades; but doesn't actually bother doing very much about it; because they can be confident that almost all OSX instances are running on Macs for which they were paid, and whose obsolescence they can drive by building shinier ones...

Imagine Apple doing this? (5, Insightful)

Seggybop (835060) | more than 3 years ago | (#35195908)

Seriously, HP tends to get a lot of crap, but this is pretty awesome. I hope they can keep this up.

Re:Imagine Apple doing this? (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35195944)

We were going to; but the Xserve was discontinued, and Legal wouldn't sign off on our plan to load the cooling fans with anthrax spores to show the jailbreakers just how much we appreciate their work...

xoxo Steve

Re:Imagine Apple doing this? (1)

awshidahak (1282256) | more than 3 years ago | (#35196002)

Seriously, HP tends to get a lot of crap, but this is pretty awesome. I hope they can keep this up.

I know my opinion of HP just went up.

Re:Imagine Apple doing this? (2)

gmhowell (26755) | more than 3 years ago | (#35196998)

Seriously, HP tends to get a lot of crap, but this is pretty awesome. I hope they can keep this up.

I know my opinion of HP just went up.

After the reign of Fiorina, was there anywhere else for it to go?

Re:Imagine Apple doing this? (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 3 years ago | (#35197650)

Seriously, HP tends to get a lot of crap, but this is pretty awesome. I hope they can keep this up.

I know my opinion of HP just went up.

After the reign of Fiorina, was there anywhere else for it to go?

Any news on her 2016 Presidential run?

Re:Imagine Apple doing this? (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 3 years ago | (#35197860)

She's got my support. If she can do for the American economy what she did for HP, I won't have to worry about competing with American companies for a long time...

Re:Imagine Apple doing this? (1)

mattia (28640) | more than 3 years ago | (#35199382)

I know my opinion of HP just went up.

Well, just don't get too excited, they just shafted all the non pre 2 owners telling them that no more OS upgrades are coming ( http://www.precentral.net/no-major-webos-ota-updates-pre-pre-plus-pixi-pixi-plus ) and that if they want, for example, the flash plugin they have been promised for about two years they will have to 'upgrade' to a new model.

And at the moment the new model is running for about 500Eur and it will be worth 200 in six months when the palm pre 3 comes out .. but wait, you will be able to run Webos 3 on your palm 2 .. don't worry ....

Apple doesn't have to. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35196602)

Apple knows that the best and the brightest developers write code for their platforms first and then, if they have the time, they may port their work to inferior platforms like Windows or whatever later. When you build the best software, you don't have to worry about idiot "homebrew" types hacking your stuff from their parent's basement, because those kinds of guys are the dregs of the app developer community, typically the kind of idiot graybeards who still use Linux or Windows and don't realize that the state of the art has long since passed them by.

good PR but pointless. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35195928)

HP probably made that server for $1000. $10K cash wouldve been something interesting. a server worth 10K in HP cash is bleh.
 

Re:good PR but pointless. (1)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 3 years ago | (#35196062)

There isn't a whole lot of mockup in server hardware.

HP servers a little more expensive because of their lilo cards and such, but the markup is pretty small.

Re:good PR but pointless. (1)

petermgreen (876956) | more than 3 years ago | (#35196452)

Unfortunately while they say this was "valued at over $10000" they don't say exactly what was included. So we don't know if it's expensive because it's a ripoff or expensive because it's loaded down with the most expensive CPUs, HDDs, raid controllers etc that money can buy.

HPs site doesn't seem to want to let me configure that model of server (it lists a number of standard models but none of them include any drives) but when i've looked at dell the base prices are ok but the extras are a massive ripoff. £300 for a 1TB 7200 RPM sata hard drive?!

Re:good PR but pointless. (4, Interesting)

Kilrah_il (1692978) | more than 3 years ago | (#35196072)

So, HP doesn't fight the developers that hack their own OS. Not only that, they also donate a server to that same group... and you complain that they don't donate enough?
You are correct, total "bleh".

Re:good PR but pointless. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35196142)

Wow what a greedy jerk.

Remind me never to give you anything out of kindness.

Re:good PR but pointless. (1)

jrronimo (978486) | more than 3 years ago | (#35201894)

It's not bleh at all. The short version of the story goes like this:

Phil McKinney: "Hey WebOS Internals Group, if there's anything we can do for you, shout."
WOSIG: "Cool. Actually, we could really use a donated server."
PM: "Lemme look into this."
HP: "Cool, bros. Here you go."

So, rather than a big cash reward, the homebrew developer group got exactly what they needed... which is a pretty good result, if you ask me.

So they condemned them w/ a rebranded Compaq? (0)

Vandil X (636030) | more than 3 years ago | (#35195974)

ProLiant servers are a recipe for hardware failure. Every single one I have had the displeasure of working with over the course of 13 years has had a horrific, hardware failure of some kind. Anything in the "Compaq" side of HP should be avoided like the plague.

Re:So they condemned them w/ a rebranded Compaq? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35196008)

What he doesn't tell you is that he's a system recovery specialist, and only gets called when the machines get dead.

It's like the Maytag Repairman, nobody ever calls him when things don't go wrong.

Re:So they condemned them w/ a rebranded Compaq? (2, Funny)

Kilrah_il (1692978) | more than 3 years ago | (#35196454)

It's like our cable guy, my wife only calls him when thing go wrong... and I'm at work...

Re:So they condemned them w/ a rebranded Compaq? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35196026)

We've had hundreds of ProLiant systems. Overall, they've been great. The proliant support pack is excellent too. Better than that godawful IBM xSeries offering.

Re:So they condemned them w/ a rebranded Compaq? (2)

Kilrah_il (1692978) | more than 3 years ago | (#35196058)

The funny thing is that your sig is the Konami code, which is used to enter developer mode in WebOS... which is the first part in homebrewing it.
Coincidence? I should think not!

Re:So they condemned them w/ a rebranded Compaq? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35196060)

kernel.org has been running on ProLiant gear for years. As far as I can tell, they've been quite happy...

pointless (-1, Troll)

Charliemopps (1157495) | more than 3 years ago | (#35196122)

After 15 years someone finally throws Palm developers a bone... you're about 14years too late. Nice gesture but your OS was DOA.

Ebeneezer Goode (2, Funny)

Tim the Gecko (745081) | more than 3 years ago | (#35196160)

(off topic) With "Hombrewing" and "J. C. Penny" [sic] on the front page, it seems that today's Slashdot is definitely not brought to you by the letter "E".

Anyway... Kudos to HP!

Re:Ebeneezer Goode (1)

cowboy76Spain (815442) | more than 3 years ago | (#35197908)

(off topic) With "Hombrewing" and "J. C. Penny" [sic] on the front page, it seems that today's Slashdot is definitely not brought to you by the letter "E". Anyway... Kudos to HP!

kyboar rror

This is just HP,, (3, Informative)

HazMat 79 (1481233) | more than 3 years ago | (#35196170)

continuing the support that Palm already extended to the webOS community. I had a problem with google syncing my calendar when I first got my Pre Plus so I called the support line about that and yahoo messnger and Palm sent me to precentral for quote "all the IM, media players, and apps you cant find in the catalog" unquote. I am glad they are taking these steps. As fan of webOS I am glad to see this.

independence (0)

decora (1710862) | more than 3 years ago | (#35196182)

if someone gives you a gift that keeps you from going out of business, you are not independent.

unless, perhaps, you pay them back.

Re:independence (4, Insightful)

sacherjj (7595) | more than 3 years ago | (#35196490)

This doesn't keep WebOS Inernals from going out of business. It makes it easier to help the community. WebOS Internals have bought much server power from direct donation from the WebOS fans. I've personally donated $120 to them. They reason? They are doing cool stuff.

WebOS Internals has done a bunch for the platform. Worth much more than a $10k server. Nice to anonymously question the ethics and morals of a stand up group. Have the balls to at least insult people under a username.

HP + Direction = Success (4, Interesting)

El Fantasmo (1057616) | more than 3 years ago | (#35196226)

Glad to see the webOS internals guys getting some well deserved credit and recognition. Without them webOS would have been a waste of time.

IF HP can do what they are trying, then Apple and Android may well be playing catch up in the not too distant future. HP is creating an OS environment that can go from desktop to laptop, to touch slates to cell phones without skipping a beat. Data and applications synchronized, seamlessly across devices. Scalable at an enterprise level with enterprise tools. No hodgepodge of Windows + iOS + Blackberry + Linux each with separate management tools. It's one stop shopping with a powerhouse like HP supporting it and for consumers, supporting the home brew community.

The prospects are quite exciting. Only time will reveal the results.

Re:HP + Direction = Success (0)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 3 years ago | (#35196348)

Sounds nice. Would have sounded a lot nicer two years ago.

Re:HP + Direction = Success (2)

LurkerXXX (667952) | more than 3 years ago | (#35196856)

Two years ago HP didn't own them.

Re:HP + Direction = Success (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 3 years ago | (#35207308)

So what? It's still too late - other competitors have got themselves established. It's a lot easier to capture terra nulla than to unseat the incumbent.

Re:HP + Direction = Success (1)

LurkerXXX (667952) | more than 3 years ago | (#35208630)

Sorry, thought I was informing someone uninformed. Not talking to a troll.

Everything (1)

chuckymonkey (1059244) | more than 3 years ago | (#35196318)

It's only when you have nothing to lose that you realize that you have everything to gain.

Palm-ish (1)

villain222 (1120485) | more than 3 years ago | (#35196674)

This is something you'd expect from Palm. Palm has for sometime allowed people to do what they want. Here's the facts: a. if you're a hacker -- you're doing it for your own good mostly (because if something breaks you can fix it). b. Why spend money to prevent all this stuff for the small minority that do it? Is it worth all the r&d? c. good ideas come from small places. Things can be learned by what the hacking community is focused on. HINT here Apple. real mulitasking!!! all the jailbreakers wanted it and got it. I like palm/hp so i hope they come up big. they should look at the android market as Blackberry is to help get them back in the game.

o.O (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35196834)

Common sense from a major corporation? Must have been an accident!

Nokia rising from the ashes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35197890)

HP is picking up from where Nokia left off -- quite literally, having hired Nokia's MeeGo boss to head the WebOS development.

Elop was wrong, this is not a three-way race. It's a two-way race between the wannabe monopolists who want to tie the consumers in leashes and the technology companies who want to sell the customers useful things that make their lives easier and more enjoyable. As a customer, I definitely prefer the success of the latter vision, but the trillion-dollar question is, are there enough of us?

Should have been iTanic (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 3 years ago | (#35197942)

They should have donated one of the iTanics they have lying around, I'm sure they are numerous

What's hombrewing? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35199702)

Can no one fix the spelling?

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