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Nokia Shareholders Fight Back

CmdrTaco posted more than 3 years ago | from the shut-up-and-sit-down dept.

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MohammedSameer writes "A group of nine young Nokia shareholders are fighting back. They posted an open letter for Nokia shareholders and investors asking to be elected in order to bring sanity back. They are also planning to challenge the company's strategy and partnership with Microsoft."

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424 comments

Just trade in the Nokia for an Android (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35211640)

Sell NOK

Buy GOOG

almost tempted to buy some shares (5, Interesting)

Nursie (632944) | more than 3 years ago | (#35211664)

Just to join int, try to stop the company that made the best, most reliable phones for the longest time from being sold down the river by an MS plant.

Re:almost tempted to buy some shares (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35211740)

Tell that to SGI. Or have we forgotten Ricky "I love Gates" Belluzzo?

Re:almost tempted to buy some shares (1)

nicholas22 (1945330) | more than 3 years ago | (#35211748)

Joining ints is really efficient, as opposed to joining strings. Well done.

Re:almost tempted to buy some shares (5, Insightful)

timeOday (582209) | more than 3 years ago | (#35211754)

But if they're successful in thwarting the Microsoft takeover, then what? Arrive late at the Android party? Sell dumbphones for $14.99 at Target? Everybody criticises companies like Silicon Graphics for sticking with the old strategy too long, but also for jumping on the bandwagon (such as SGI taking a stab on NT).

Being outmoded is an extremely difficult position to be in.

Re:almost tempted to buy some shares (1)

Zelgadiss (213127) | more than 3 years ago | (#35211884)

Better late than never.

They should catch up after a few phones.

Re:almost tempted to buy some shares (2)

unity100 (970058) | more than 3 years ago | (#35211920)

majority of the world is still buying those 'dumphones' you speak of, and have no problem with them.

Re:almost tempted to buy some shares (3, Informative)

Nursie (632944) | more than 3 years ago | (#35211952)

Umm, no. They were in the lead for smartphones for quite a while (decade perhaps) and there's no reason not to be on top again.

Outside the US they're still a well respected brand with a good market. RTFA for a good strategy. The last thing nokia need to become is a handset manufacturer for MS.

The 'old' strategy was aimless development of so many different handsets it was nuts. They need to focus in on a real strategy.

Re:almost tempted to buy some shares (1)

v1 (525388) | more than 3 years ago | (#35212008)

wow. that strategy letter was quite impressive. Bold, decisive, concrete, committed. Just what good leadership needs. Hope the best for them!

Re:almost tempted to buy some shares (4, Insightful)

Nexus7 (2919) | more than 3 years ago | (#35212404)

Indeed. I was impressed with the lack of silly metaphors, such as "burning oil platforms."

Re:almost tempted to buy some shares (3, Interesting)

Archangel Michael (180766) | more than 3 years ago | (#35211964)

The battle is on for the third tier phone OS. iOS and Android are the top two, everything else is an "also ran". This includes Palm's offering, Meego, Symbian, and WP7. You have four legitimate third tier phone OSes, two are offerings of Nokia.

As for the other two, Microsoft would have to pay me to make a phone WP7(radioactive), and Palm's WebOS will only come on HP products (yawn). This leave Nokia with two viable third tier products, one Open source and similar enough to Android, and too far behind it to really matter, and Symbian, the $14.99 walmart phone.

Nokia has lost the Smartphone market. UNLESS they do Android, and make a phone that is unlocked, easily rootable and with a "we support users not telcos" attitude.

Re:almost tempted to buy some shares (1)

Nursie (632944) | more than 3 years ago | (#35212026)

Why is Symbian the 14.99 walmart OS?

Why is meego behind?

Maemo's more capable than any other OS I've seen on a phone.

Re:almost tempted to buy some shares (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35212194)

Symbian's the Walmart OS because the UI is godawful and it lacks quality applications. Meego's behind because it's not yet done. Maemo's quite capable and if Nokia hadn't made the stupid decision to ditch the n900 and start over from scratch with QT, they would've gotten into the smartphone market as it was starting up, and likely found a fairly profitable niche.

Re:almost tempted to buy some shares (1)

Archangel Michael (180766) | more than 3 years ago | (#35212324)

If Meego is superior then where is it? Is it a Marketing Deficiency? I went to buy a smartphone a few months ago, never once ran into a Meego phone, at least not that I know of. Behind means not in front. If I can't find one, without LOOKING for it, and I can't even recall seeing one having gone looking at all the Smartphones that were out there, then it is behind. Quality doesn't matter if it isn't available.

Symbian is the 14.99 phone because if I wanted a better than 14.99 phone I would get a Smartphone (like I did). Granted, these other phones are priced with 2 year contracts, but since I'm paying for subsidized phone whether or not I buy one (no discounts for owning my own phone), I'm going to buy one that way. My phone, Droid X, was only $99 on Cyber Monday, with a 2 year deal. I had my last phone 2 years. In two years, I'll look at 4G phones and wash rinse repeat.

Maemo, the Linux of phones. Nuff said. (except Android is too, shhhh). It may be capable, but who (besides a few geeks) care about the things it can do over Android (rooted)? Do you really think those things are worth it to most people?

Re:almost tempted to buy some shares (4, Insightful)

Znork (31774) | more than 3 years ago | (#35212190)

Meego is easily capable of running a Dalvik vm, and Alien Dalvik demonstrates the capability quite throughly. As that would leverage and extend the Android ecosystem, I can't quite see how it would be behind in any way. Essentially it would be the andoid+unlocked+rootable that you're looking for.

One can see why Microsoft wants Nokia, but for Nokia, going with WP is utter folly; they're dumping their whole current workable and fairly easily fixable lineup for something that nobody wants.

One can wonder what their plan is if WP gets canned with Ballmer in a not so far away future.

Re:almost tempted to buy some shares (1)

Archangel Michael (180766) | more than 3 years ago | (#35212436)

My version of "unlocked rootable" means more or less "I don't cater to the carriers, I cater to the person buying the phone". Meaning 'We'll let you update the OS even if the carriers don't want you to". So people getting Android 1.5 phones aren't stuck with Android 1.5 because the carrier locked the phone and isn't going to upgrade it to 2.1. or 2.2, even when it is fully capable.

That is what I mean. It isn't the geek side of me that says "I want to tether my laptop but the carrier won't let me" type of rooting the phone. Both have the same solution, I realize it. Most people don't want or know about such thing as tethering.

Re:almost tempted to buy some shares (3, Funny)

metamatic (202216) | more than 3 years ago | (#35212396)

As for the other two, Microsoft would have to pay me to make a phone WP7(radioactive)

That's exactly why Nokia picked WP7 [computerworld.com] .

Re:almost tempted to buy some shares (0, Flamebait)

geekoid (135745) | more than 3 years ago | (#35212096)

The list a strategy. They have a plan.

Not RTFA has made you look like a complete dumbass.

Re:almost tempted to buy some shares (1)

b0bby (201198) | more than 3 years ago | (#35212388)

The list a strategy. They have a plan.

But their plan includes stuff like this:

"MeeGo smartphones and tablet devices will offer overwhelmingly superior experiences and applications than iOS and Android based competitor products."

Really? How? Because this is what it comes down to. Maybe by bringing everything in-house they could do this, but I'd say it's a long shot. But then again, so is going with Windows Phone...

Re:almost tempted to buy some shares (1)

wjousts (1529427) | more than 3 years ago | (#35212108)

Exactly. Just witness how well Yahoo! is doing after refusing a buy out.

Re:almost tempted to buy some shares (1)

Yold (473518) | more than 3 years ago | (#35211826)

that made the best

Past tense. They no longer do. No matter how much "geek cred" their OS has for using QT or whatever Nokia phones use nowadays (haven't even seen one for years), the company is in crisis. Just because us geeks like something, doesn't mean the general public or shareholders will. Windows mobile in the past was absolute garbage, but it looks like their new OS could at least be a contender.

Re:almost tempted to buy some shares (4, Informative)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 3 years ago | (#35211932)

They still outsell ALL Android phones and Apple phones COMBINED. Nokia is the giant in Cellphones. Outside the usa they are still the first choice as Symbian offers features that Android does not or has not until recently. Honestly even my 3 year old 5800 Nokia smartphone has features that are just showing up for Android, and may some day hit Apple.

They are hurting, but it's because of management that is worthless and nearly incompetent, and the company not having any direction.

Re:almost tempted to buy some shares (1)

thrillseeker (518224) | more than 3 years ago | (#35212042)

Yet Android has the serious momentum. An investment now needs to be in something likely to be worth more, not less, in the future. If Nokia's OS is going to continue to lose market share then other options need to be considered.

Re:almost tempted to buy some shares (0)

dnaumov (453672) | more than 3 years ago | (#35212196)

They still outsell ALL Android phones and Apple phones COMBINED. Nokia is the giant in Cellphones

Er, no. Android devices alone outsell all of Nokia even without Apple. You could at least look up Q4 2010 numbers before starting to spew bullshit.

Re:almost tempted to buy some shares (1)

Richard_at_work (517087) | more than 3 years ago | (#35211982)

The mobile phone market is way larger than the "oooh shiney smart phone" crowd. Nokia are doing fine in the rest of the market.

Ferrari don't compete against Ford in all vehicle markets, and neither do Landrover. Nokia doesnt have to go toe to toe with Android or Apple, as long as there are people wanting just a phone - Nokia sell plenty of those a day.

Re:almost tempted to buy some shares (3, Insightful)

Desler (1608317) | more than 3 years ago | (#35211990)

Windows mobile in the past was absolute garbage

Said by someone who most likely never used a WinMo OS. Unlike other phone OS during the formative years of WinMo it was always open for you to install any apps that you like, you could develop apps in C, C++, C#, etc of your choice and you could use frameworks like Qt, you could leverage existing code written against the Win32 API for use in WinMo apps (with some caveats of course) and was very customizable in comparison to almost any other OS for the times. If anything, the OSes running on other smartphones of the time were far more garbage than WinMo was.

Re:almost tempted to buy some shares (2, Insightful)

Desler (1608317) | more than 3 years ago | (#35212354)

And to add further, on any WinMo phone I ever owned you could do all this without ever needing to "root" the device. So basically even in comparison to the new golden boy "Android" WinMo was in many ways still superior. I'm not sure why a platform that requires any sort of "rooting" and has less application language choices is considered great but one that offers far more freedom of use and development is called "garbage".

Re:almost tempted to buy some shares (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 3 years ago | (#35212054)

Really? Why?
What does Microsoft bring to the table for a smartphone OS?
The only strengths I see are XBox Live integration and the Zune Pass.
The weaknesses are
1. lagging in features "multitasking, cut and paste, and custom ring tones."
2. Small library of applications. Heck I bet WebOS still has more.
3. Limited carriers in the US. Even the IPhone now beats it on that score.
So why would anybody buy a WP7 device? Mobile Office? Do you really think you will use office on your phone?
For me the lack of good gmail integration is a big loss but then if someone lives and dies by Exchange then WP7 will go head to head with Blackberry and I am not sure that it is better than a Blackberry in that space.
I just do not see it as a contender at all. It looks like at this point in time to be an also ran at best and very feature incomplete.
Thing is people are pretending that this is Microsoft's first OS in the Mobile space. It isn't called WP7 for nothing folks.

Re:almost tempted to buy some shares (1)

Shadow Wrought (586631) | more than 3 years ago | (#35212426)

Having used both a iPhone and also a friend's W7 phone, I can say that the Windows phone was far superior. Just because Apple has better marketing and a built in fanbase doesn't mean Microsoft's product is bad.

Re:almost tempted to buy some shares (2)

jpmorgan (517966) | more than 3 years ago | (#35211860)

"MS plant?"

I can guarantee a strategic decision of this magnitude was made with the full knowledge and consent of Nokia's board of directors: http://www.nokia.com/about-nokia/corporate-governance/board-of-directors [nokia.com]

Certainly none of them come from Microsoft.

Re:almost tempted to buy some shares (1)

commodore6502 (1981532) | more than 3 years ago | (#35212422)

>>>company that made the best, most reliable phones for the longest time

Really? (checks) Hey look at that! I have a Nokia in my coat pocket (the "shorty"). It is a rather nice phone and even though it's nearing five years old, still works like a charm. No apparent degradation in battery life.

It would be a shame if Nokia got corrupted by Microsoft, as seems to have happened with many many companies that collaborated with them.

If it fails, then they can fall back on plan c (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35211668)

http://nokiaplanc.com/

Re:If it fails, then they can fall back on plan c (1)

MikeDirnt69 (1105185) | more than 3 years ago | (#35211730)

OMG! http://nokiapland.com/ [nokiapland.com]

Re:If it fails, then they can fall back on plan c (1)

MikeDirnt69 (1105185) | more than 3 years ago | (#35211742)

ROFLCOPTER oh wait: http://nokiaplane.com/ [nokiaplane.com]

Re:If it fails, then they can fall back on plan c (1)

doti (966971) | more than 3 years ago | (#35211940)

all the way down......
http://nokiaplanz.com/ [nokiaplanz.com]

Re:If it fails, then they can fall back on plan c (3, Informative)

tagno25 (1518033) | more than 3 years ago | (#35212224)

http://nokiaplans.com/ [nokiaplans.com]

Nokia Plans
Nokia Plan A [nokiaplana.com]
  Nokia Plan B [nokiaplanb.com]
  Nokia Plan C [nokiaplanc.com]
  Nokia Plan D [nokiapland.com]
  Nokia Plan E [nokiaplane.com]
  Nokia Plan F [nokiaplanf.com] (SFW)
  Nokia Plan F [nokiaplanf.com] (NSFW)
  Nokia Plan G [nokiaplang.com]
  Nokia Plan H [nokiaplanh.com]
  Nokia Plan K [nokiaplank.com]
  Nokia Plan M [nokiaplanm.com]
  Nokia Plan O [nokiaplano.com]
  Nokia Plan P [nokiaplanp.com]
  Nokia Plan Q [nokiaplanq.com]
  Nokia Plan S [nokiaplans.com]
  Nokia Plan T [nokiaplant.com]
  Nokia Plan X [nokiaplanx.com]
  Nokia Plan Y [nokiaplany.com]
  Nokia Plan Z [nokiaplanz.com]
  Nokia Plan 0 [nokiaplan0.com]
  Nokia Plan 5 [nokiaplan5.com]
  Nokia Plan 9 [nokiaplan9.com]

Somebody had fun (1)

gQuigs (913879) | more than 3 years ago | (#35211782)

http://nokiaplana.com/ [nokiaplana.com]
http://nokiaplanx.com/ [nokiaplanx.com]
http://nokiaplane.com/ [nokiaplane.com]
http://nokiapland.com/ [nokiapland.com]

For all other nokia investors, take a look at how Novell is doing since http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novell#Agreement_with_Microsoft [wikipedia.org] on Nov 2, 2006.
  http://www.google.com/finance?q=Novell [google.com]

Re:If it fails, then they can fall back on plan c (1)

ByOhTek (1181381) | more than 3 years ago | (#35211818)

Maybe I should just install Plan9 on my Nokia phone instead, skipping all of these options?

wait, 0x9 0xC

Why wasn't I informed that Nokia had already made Plan9 phones???

Re:If it fails, then they can fall back on plan c (1)

TeXMaster (593524) | more than 3 years ago | (#35212358)

Maybe I should just install Plan9 on my Nokia phone instead, skipping all of these options?

wait, 0x9 0xC

Why wasn't I informed that Nokia had already made Plan9 phones???

There's also http://nokiaplan9.com/ [nokiaplan9.com] in fact

Good luck with that (3, Insightful)

LucidBeast (601749) | more than 3 years ago | (#35211690)

I think the big guys have enough chips to keep this plan going. No matter what the plans merits are.

Re:Good luck with that (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35211966)

The CEO of Nokia, who spearheaded this move to MS, is an ex-MS exec. Given the immediate share drop after the announcement, and the previous share growth, likely based on the possibilities of a partnership with Google, is grounds for an investigation.

Eventually (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35211702)

Eventually somebody putting their money where their mouth is...

They might be on to something (5, Interesting)

toopok4k3 (809683) | more than 3 years ago | (#35211718)

I guess that a huge drop in the share value might mean that this plan B might get some actual backing from the majority of shareholders. The share has dropped around 20% since the Microsoft announcement.

Re:They might be on to something (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35212210)

Well not really. By the time of the AGM the only shareholders left will be pro-Stephen Elop and his direction.
There won't be any left who will vote for these 9 guys...

Bad start (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35211722)

lol, I hope they're better in running a company then in choosing a webhost for an expected high traffic website...

wow 9 people!? (5, Insightful)

Megor1 (621918) | more than 3 years ago | (#35211732)

Why is this even being posted, it's 9 people who let me guess own 0.0000000% of the company? Next up 9 apple share holders want Steve Jobs to stop wearing turtlenecks.

Re:wow 9 people!? (1)

MSTCrow5429 (642744) | more than 3 years ago | (#35211802)

It is strange they haven't posted their aggregate ownership of Nokia. It's also odd they are asking for jobs.

Re:wow 9 people!? (1)

BurfCurse (937117) | more than 3 years ago | (#35212030)

It's not odd. Its brilliant. How else would someone who owned a small share of a company (that's an assumption) get elected to the board?

Re:wow 9 people!? (2)

KhabaLox (1906148) | more than 3 years ago | (#35212056)

And they don't even identify themselves. Why would anyone consider electing them to the BoD without knowing who they are?

Re:wow 9 people!? (3, Insightful)

QuincyDurant (943157) | more than 3 years ago | (#35212290)

Even one share is enough to make some noise about it at the shareholder's meeting. They may not own much, but they speak for quite a crowd, methinks.

Re:wow 9 people!? (5, Informative)

magarity (164372) | more than 3 years ago | (#35212410)

Why is this even being posted, it's 9 people who let me guess own 0.0000000% of the company?

Most big companies set the lower limit around 1,000 shares for anyone who wants to bring up any issue for a vote at the company shareholders' meeting. This can be anything from 'I nominate me to the board of directors' to 'presenters should not wear turtlenecks' to 'the company assets should be liquidated and the proceeds given to the homeless'. It then goes to a vote and since institutional investors who own a million shares at a time are there, anything frivolous or absurd gets immediately voted down.

Re:wow 9 people!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35212452)

Isn't It obvious? It's an anti Microsoft story that fits with the slashdot narrative. Stick a Borg icon on it and it's front page gold!

Good Luck With that! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35211760)

Frankly, does this even have a chance of materializing? With Nokia's board of directors fully supporting the CEO, the only people who can affect the deal are Nokia's employees and unless they pull a major revolt, the deal will be on.

Re:Good Luck With that! (1)

s73v3r (963317) | more than 3 years ago | (#35211842)

The shareholders can also vote the Board of Directors out, which is what this plan is asking them to do.

Re:Good Luck With that! (1)

Desler (1608317) | more than 3 years ago | (#35212106)

Sure, but that's only if they can get a group that accounts for 51% of voting stoke to agree with them. It's highly doubtful they have that much otherwise they would have already pulled this off rather than blustering.

Apache 1.3.33?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35211762)

Apache 1.3.33? Really? And you guys want to be taken seriously as "moving forward."

HAHA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35211764)

Somebody should write an article about me fighting off the world's corruption. And make sure you write it in a tone that makes me sound like i'm likely to succeed.

Slashdoted ? (1)

Picardo85 (1408929) | more than 3 years ago | (#35211776)

Service Temporarily Unavailable The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later. Apache/1.3.33 Server at nokiaplanb.com Port 80

Re:Slashdoted ? (1)

nmalinoski (1216950) | more than 3 years ago | (#35211918)

Service Temporarily Unavailable The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later. Apache/1.3.33 Server at nokiaplanb.com Port 80

Don't worry too much; it just redirects to Facebook. It's kinda sad the guys are too lazy to set up their own site for this.

Re:Slashdoted ? (1)

Picardo85 (1408929) | more than 3 years ago | (#35212000)

You think they could at least have made a WP blog or something :)

Re:Slashdoted ? (1)

toopok4k3 (809683) | more than 3 years ago | (#35212378)

They had a site but they apparently reverted back to facebook after their own server died. I managed to catch a glimpse of it before the slashdot reported this story.

And what of Intel? (1)

Roxoff (539071) | more than 3 years ago | (#35211786)

So are Intel going to be pleased when MeeGo goes in-house -only- in Nokia? And will the Open Source project that is MeeGo enjoy being cut off from the development process? And what of the Linux Foundation, who host and support the MeeGo project? If they went ahead with this, many of Nokia's current friends would have nothing more to do with them.

Overwhelmingly superior? Errm... (1)

Guspaz (556486) | more than 3 years ago | (#35211880)

"MeeGo smartphones and tablet devices will offer overwhelmingly superior experiences and applications than iOS and Android based competitor products."

Clearly they have a firm grip on reality. I'm not saying that MeeGo won't be a decent platform, but claiming that it will ovfer an "overwhelmingly superior experience" to the other market leaders who have multi-year head starts is silly.

Multi-year headstart (2)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | more than 3 years ago | (#35211974)

Exactly how old do you think the iPad is? Or for that matter iOS and for that matter Linux is including Linux on mobile devices?

Simple proof? Which has the most mature and capable media player for FREE? Meego (VLC Mplayer), iOS or Android?

Thanks for playing: "The world existed before I was born", you loose.

By your logic, Apple is silly to go with iOS against market leader symbian with multi-year head start. Or android for that matter. Hell ANYONE whoever dared to enter a market. Bit silly of you don't you think?

Re:Multi-year headstart (1)

dr.newton (648217) | more than 3 years ago | (#35212100)

By your logic, Apple is silly to go with iOS against market leader symbian with multi-year head start. Or android for that matter.

Your analogy is only apt if you think MeeGo represents as much of an improvement over iOS and Android as they offered over Symbian when they were first released.

Do you believe this? If so, why?

Re:Overwhelmingly superior? Errm... (1)

dr.newton (648217) | more than 3 years ago | (#35212016)

I'm not saying that MeeGo won't be a decent platform, but claiming that it will ovfer an "overwhelmingly superior experience" to the other market leaders who have multi-year head starts is silly.

Agreed. The entire strategy hinges on this, and if I were a shareholder (which I'm not) I'd be skeptical of the likelihood of this occurring.

I've used MeeGo on a netbook, and it's great; it would be interesting to see it come to phones, and more options are always better. But the odds of it becoming even slightly profitable for Nokia, let alone a major success, seem pretty slim.

The Nothin' But WP7 option looks like utter crap, the MeeGo option looks incredibly risky, but going for Android would allow them to start with a solid OS, and customize exactly as much as they wanted. You're allowed to differentiate in software much more on Android than on WP7 (even though so far people seem to prefer a stock Android experience). They could also keep a foot in the Symbian, WP7, or MeeGo camps this way, if they wanted to.

But maybe my sig should be "Just another arm-chair CEO."

Nice idea but. (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 3 years ago | (#35211896)

Really how much stock do they control? Why do they think they can "fix" Nokia?
Nokia is in trouble and is loosing market share. They are just about absent in the US and while the US isn't the whole world it is a very big and very rich market.
Add in that Nokia just can not seem to come up with a plan. Symbian? It was/is a good OS but the UI has really lagged. MeeGo? Well where is it? Maybe it will really rock but they have not shipped a phone with it yet have they?
Nokia needs a really good phone with a really good OS and they need to ship it to the world including the US even if that means going CDMA. They need to have a hero device and it needs to be available from a US carrier and it needs to cost between $200 and $300 in the US to get traction here.
They also need good lower cost devices that can be down at the $100 to free range in the US. I am in the US so that is the market I know the best.
WP7 is so not on the radar in the US right now. It is really lagging in uptake and I do not see that changing. Then you have the fact that with WP7 Nokia will have the same OS and look and feel as phones from HTC, LG, and Samsung. Also the Nokia developer community will be forced to become part of the Microsoft Developers community. Nokia will become nothing but a shadow of it's self.
Yea I think this is a disaster but I am not sure Nokia can be saved from it's self. They really seemed to have just flat out abandoned the US market and then lost any sense of direction.
And yes you can say all that you want about how the US isn't the world but take a hard look. All of Nokia's competitors in the smartphone space come from North America and most of them from the US. Android, WebOS, IOS, and WP7 are all from the US. RIM is from Canada.
It is a mess but I doubt that going back to the same old same old will fix anything. Plus we do not know what deals have already been made. It may be impossible to undo.

Re:Nice idea but. (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 3 years ago | (#35212122)

If only that had some planb document that discussed there plans and addressed those issues~

Eh what? (2)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | more than 3 years ago | (#35212156)

"All of Nokia's competitors in the smartphone space come from North America"

Indeed, so that makes HTC, LG and Samsung you mention yourself North American companies?

I think their owners will be very suprised. So that is how Taiwan (HTC) is going for independence from China, they are going to be the 51st state, oh wait that is canada. So that is how WW3 is going to start. Good to know.

The rest of your post isn't much better.

The iPhone cost way more then 200-300 AND didn't come with CDMA at the start. Nokia also got plenty of cheap phones and that is in fact an area they do very well in being the top seller in poorer areas.

The N900 shipped with Maemo which is half the origin of Meego. So yes they shipped a phone and it sold very well indeed spending a lot of time being sold out.

The real problem Nokia faces is the "we need to drop everything for the next quarter". So they missed the boat on the current generation. So what? Does that mean you drop all your long term plans for an escape plan of dubious value? No, you though it out and focus on being the leader of the next generation. Mobile phones still have a long way to go and can be greatly improved.

One obvious example where Meego might be far superior then iPhone and Android? No market/App store. My god those things are hideous. Just trying to find a tool is bad enough, then most cost money as well. Now imagine something like Linux Mint installed on your mobile phone. EVERYTHING just works from the start with everything included. No need to hunt down media player for 3 bucks a piece that will play your content, VLC and Mplayer included and ready to go with years of experience.

Same with all the other tools. Freely available, long out of beta, tried and tested.

Nokia Meego, the phone for people who don't want to mess about with shady app sellers. Try the N900. Anyone who has KNOWS why it was such a good idea. It blows everything else out of the water.

good luck (1)

leaen (987954) | more than 3 years ago | (#35211898)

I wish it you success

Re:good luck (1)

what about (730877) | more than 3 years ago | (#35211976)

I wish too...
(There should be a voting mechanism for ideas, at least we would know where the majority stands)

Anything else? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35211912)

Dear /.,

We get it, you hate us. What else is new?

- MSFT

The nine are wrong. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35211914)

It's amazing how much hate MS gets just for being Microsoft. Here are some good reasons for going with it.

- Current Nokia plan isn't working.
- Going android means just another android phone.
- I can see MS Corporation shops going with WP7 over other offerings - integration, development tools, encryption.
- IPhone is trendy and Apple is Steve Jobs. Trends come and go and Jobs will not be there forever to guide Apple.
- In the end if it sucks Nokia will just switch back to the old plan. It's all about profits and from what I heard Microsoft is going to be paying Nokia to do this.

So why not.

Re:The nine are wrong. (3, Insightful)

Zelgadiss (213127) | more than 3 years ago | (#35212036)

amazing how much hate MS gets just for being Microsoft

It's a reputation they have earned over the decades.

You reap what you sow.

Re:The nine are wrong. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35212400)

amazing how much hate MS gets just for being Microsoft

It's a reputation they have earned over the decades.

You reap what you sow.

At least they sowed something. Now Bill Gates is helping cure the worlds diseases, hunger and war and otherwise generally nurturing 3rd world countries into the modern age - even discarding the fact that he burnt people who have since made money and not even attempted doing any such things (who's smear campaigns and propaganda you are an utter tool of, mind you) - what the hell have you done to knock them?

Just another /. post that won't hold weight (3, Informative)

Stregano (1285764) | more than 3 years ago | (#35211954)

From TFA:

Aggressively recruit young software talent from top universities. Nokia Recruiting to actively visit top universities worldwide to screen and and invite top students for interviews in Nokia R&D locations. Establish a credible and rewarding technical career progression path in Nokia (to avoid the best talent leaving the company or becoming management overhead). Offer internationally competitive salaries to new talent (if necessary, significantly above local market salaries). Establish Nokia as a company where the best and the brightest want to work.

Yeah, keep dreaming kid. I tried to get a job at Google, Microsoft, and other big companies right out of the gate and that did not happen. Do you honestly think it will happen, ever? I wish the world worked that way, but it doesn't. As a big company, do you think they would rather hire some kid right out of the gate that has no experience in cell phone programming/Symbian, or a person that has been doing it for 5 years? Be realistic with some of this.

This sounds like some college kids making a letter to say that they would want to do a takeover of the company (TFA

If you elect us to a majority in the Nokia Board of Directors we will take the following concrete actions:

).

I came to the college kids conclusion from the fact that anybody in the industry would not say that they would pull in college kids right out of the gate without experience. That is a huge risk.

Seriously, what they want to do is take-over, fire everybody, stop all out sourcing, and bring in college kids. That sentence summarizes the article quite nicely. Unless they had some weight as share-holders, this is just something posted on /. that will either get laughed at or never see the light of day at anybody who has weight in Nokia.

Re:Just another /. post that won't hold weight (2)

BJ_Covert_Action (1499847) | more than 3 years ago | (#35212068)

Well at least they're trying to do something, rather than just shaking their head in disbelief and complaining on the internet. ;)

Honestly, I agree with your assessment. They are idealistic, full of piss and vinegar, and their arguments/positions hold about as much weight as a Down feather. But I have to hand it to them, at least they are trying to rock the boat, rather than just accepting a sinking ship as lost.

Re:Just another /. post that won't hold weight (1)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 3 years ago | (#35212158)

As a big company, do you think they would rather hire some kid right out of the gate that has no experience in cell phone programming/Symbian, or a person that has been doing it for 5 years? Be realistic with some of this.

From what I've seen, I'd put my bet on them going with the kid fresh out of school. Then they can work him 70-80 hrs/wk for $25-30k until his brain dribbles out of his eyeballs and then replace him with the next one.

Re:Just another /. post that won't hold weight (1)

Nursie (632944) | more than 3 years ago | (#35212334)

Not so much in Finland, no. In europe people have rights.

Re:Just another /. post that won't hold weight (1)

Stregano (1285764) | more than 3 years ago | (#35212380)

That is assuming alot. For entry level, yes. For higher positions, it is too much of a risk to bring a college kid in. These kids are trying to push their way into being the Board of Directors. Do you know how much money a director at a major company makes? Once they get a taste of that cash, not much will change. Also, what managerial skills do these kids have, let alone upper management skills? Instead of pulling in a college kid, you can outsource for even cheaper. It is business. This will not shake much. The CEO will not step down. The Board of Directors will not walk away. Any big time investor will see this as kids complaining on the internet. The only cover R&D in their business plan. If they are now the majority of the Board of Directors, they will need to all handle their departments as well. None of that is covered here. That will be a huge thing that will make investors laugh at this.

That would be like me making a blog post saying that I want to be the CEO of Microsoft, and that the current one should step down, and then only talk about the X-Box 360 platform. There is much more to Microsoft than that.

When they update their business plan to cover more than R&D and them all becoming the majority of the Board of Directors, more people will listen. Until then, they should really take a few business courses to find out how a huge business makes money. Bringing in kids with no experience as directors and the only business plan they thought out was for R&D. R&D is a very small piece of most companies. If this worked, I would seriously put money down that the company would last 2 to 3 years max before it files for bankruptcy and went under. Those kids need to learn that there is more to a company than the 1 small piece they pay attention to

Re:Just another /. post that won't hold weight (1)

Compaqt (1758360) | more than 3 years ago | (#35212386)

Well, plan A (Win7) has lost the shareholders 20% of value.

You mean m$ has been rumbled? (1)

phonewebcam (446772) | more than 3 years ago | (#35211956)

And they would have got away with it [stashbox.org] if it weren't for those 9 pesky kids.

They for got one step: port Dalvik (1)

Ecuador (740021) | more than 3 years ago | (#35211992)

As I was saying in another topic earlier today, port Dalvik to MeeGo and you have access to all the Android apps at once!

Re:They for got one step: port Dalvik (2)

CreamyG31337 (1084693) | more than 3 years ago | (#35212348)

these guys have done it already:
http://www.myriadgroup.com/Media-Centre/News/Myriad-Announces-Alien%20Dalvik-Enables-Android-Apps-to-Run-on-Non-Android-Phones.aspx [myriadgroup.com]
the picture shows an n900, the press release used to say something about maemo or meego but they changed it now that Nokia is trying to run away from their own platform.
Only problem is this company will want a lot of money for their product, people that tried emailing them to purchase it were told it's up to the operators and manufacturers to come to an arrangement, they won't sell directly to end users :(

Someone please tell me... (4, Interesting)

hellfire (86129) | more than 3 years ago | (#35212040)

... how posting a Facebook page is "fighting back?"

Re:Someone please tell me... (1)

Ardaen (1099611) | more than 3 years ago | (#35212162)

It wasn't a facebook page earlier. I think their server overloaded due to slashdotting and so they forwarded it to a facebook page. Seems like a reasonable way to keep the message up even if the server can't handle the sudden load.

Re:Someone please tell me... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35212330)

It worked for the Egyptians.

Re:Someone please tell me... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35212336)

See wiki for Egypt.

Excellent strategy. (1)

Brett Buck (811747) | more than 3 years ago | (#35212052)

That's exactly what I would do. Microsoft would pay me off to go away, I would have the money, and get out of my Nokia stock before it tanks. Well played!

Arrogant Finns (1, Troll)

Arkham (10779) | more than 3 years ago | (#35212120)

Their plan is idiotic. You may not like what Elop has proposed, but suggesting that Nokia just go stick their heads in the stand and work only out of Finland is idiotic. The Finnish culture at Nokia is largely what caused their downfall in the first place. The arrogance is unbelievable.

Re:Arrogant Finns (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35212280)

The Finnish culture at Nokia is largely what caused their downfall in the first place.

I guess you're saying that they're finnished then?

Re:Arrogant Finns (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35212432)

NIH is what caused the downfall. Software not hardware. The fact that have an ex-MS as a head honcho is why they're doomed. They can trivially move to Android, they already have extensive Linux experience on smartphones and they know how to do it properly. With an ex-MS in charge, this has been blocked. They obviously can't use iOS, so what's left? Crap that no one wants. Nokia will be the Zune of smartphones. The product may be ok, but no one really wants it.

Re:Arrogant Finns (3, Insightful)

duranaki (776224) | more than 3 years ago | (#35212462)

I don't agree at all. I worked for Nokia for 10 years and worked with many Finns. I think the groups point is not "Finland is so great" but rather Nokia's distributed R&D efforts are horribly inefficient. Having experienced it from the inside, I can see their point. And they do have a very large talented asset base in Finland, so it makes sense to keep that as a focal point. That said, they have absolutely no hope of getting "top talent" to go work in Finland.

The Real Cause of Nokia's Crisis (1)

thinktank2 (595484) | more than 3 years ago | (#35212126)

Sanity? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35212182)

The same sanity that had them spending more on R&D than any other smartphone company in the world to make the worst smartphone OS in the world, that sanity? Maybe the sanity where they were developing yet another open source, linux based OS themselves instead of going for the one that doesn't cost them anything. Or... you know I'm having a hard to time finding what part of their previous business strategy was "sane"

Some notes to Stevie and Stevie (1)

McNihil (612243) | more than 3 years ago | (#35212264)

Ever since I had the immense displeasure of getting to know your tactics in the mid 80ies it is clear to me that you are doing the same thing over and over again. Bad behavior: Pissing off engineers. This is not a good thing... never ever. 9 shareholders may not seem like much but if the majority of the engineers that are heavily invested would follow suite there will actually be a change for the better.

Balmer et.al... I personally do not want your Windows or any other Microsoft offering on any of my phones... any mobile platform... PERIOD.

What's their alternative? (1)

91degrees (207121) | more than 3 years ago | (#35212448)

Seriously, sad as it may be, nobody's interested in Symbian. Look at the job market. Plenty of people want iPhone and Android developers, but few want Symbian. And while it is a hugely successful OS, it's losing market share rapidly.

So what's the solution? Nokia decided to team up with Microsoft. This at least means that they have an OS that could be relevant. There's the strong brand name that will at least interest some developers to port their apps to WP7. And Microsoft are pretty friendly to developers. It will be possible to develop using visual studio and Microsoft will make sure there's as much overlap as possible with their desktop targeted SDK.
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