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Nokia Plan B Was Just a Hoax

samzenpus posted more than 3 years ago | from the break-out-plan-c dept.

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suraj.sun writes "There's been a lot of chatter about a 'Nokia Plan B' over the past 48 hours — the site was put up by nine young investors who outlined an audacious plan to rally shareholders, get themselves elected onto Nokia's board, and radically change the company's direction by firing Stephen Elop and committing massive resources to MeeGo. There's just one problem, though: the nine young investors don't really exist — according to the last tweet on the @NokiaPlanB Twitter account, it was all a hoax perpetuated by 'one very bored engineer who really likes his iPhone.' Ouch. That explains why the now-defunct site abruptly gave up the cause this morning after just 36 hours of existence."

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142 comments

Strange hoax (5, Funny)

Warwick Allison (209388) | more than 3 years ago | (#35230890)

It was well-informed and humorless. Very Nokia.

Re:Strange hoax (4, Funny)

piripiri (1476949) | more than 3 years ago | (#35231082)

Fortunately the press validated the information before publishing. Oh wait...

Re:Strange hoax (2)

h4rm0ny (722443) | more than 3 years ago | (#35231286)

Slashdot was too eager to stir up some more flamewars to look into it. Really, it only took a moment to look at the article and see that there were things wrong with it. Sadly, few people did.

Re:Strange hoax (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35233992)

The "hoax" was likely a real protest by an employee who what affected by the decision. Many of those who fanned the plan b flame, were likely frustrated by the decision as well, hoping that a sane reconsideration could result from support of such a protest.

Re:Strange hoax (2)

thePowerOfGrayskull (905905) | more than 3 years ago | (#35233852)

If by "press" you mean "bloggers" (as is becoming more common these days) -- well, who's surprised? Too many want to claim privileges of press, and too few the responsibility.

Re:Strange hoax (2)

tripleevenfall (1990004) | more than 3 years ago | (#35234034)

Exactly. A respectable media outlet would have verified the information before running with it. Bloggers have no such need.

Re:Strange hoax (1)

Daniel Phillips (238627) | more than 3 years ago | (#35232826)

It was well-informed and humorless.

Speak for yourself. I was highly amused by this dry humour. Even better if the troll might inspire a real shareholder revolt, but if the institutional holders don't bother to make the effort to stick up for their rights then they deserve whatever happens to them.

The ministry of Truthiness (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35230892)

Engadget has been the ministry of truth for Microsoft during this episode. I don't think they should be taken seriously.

You mean... (1)

Goose In Orbit (199293) | more than 3 years ago | (#35230910)

...there was a Plan A (other than corporate suicide)?

Re:You mean... (2)

naz404 (1282810) | more than 3 years ago | (#35231040)

Of course. -> http://NokiaPlanA.com [nokiaplana.com]

Re:You mean... (4, Funny)

naz404 (1282810) | more than 3 years ago | (#35231106)

oh, and Nokia Plan S:

Do:

Nokia Plan A [nokiaplana.com] , Nokia Plan B [nokiaplanb.com] , Nokia Plan C [nokiaplanc.com] , Nokia Plan D [nokiapland.com] , Nokia Plan E [nokiaplane.com] , Nokia Plan ES [nokiaplanes.com] , Nokia Plan ET [nokiapla.net] , Nokia Plan F [nokiaplanf.com] , Nokia Plan G [nokiaplang.com] , Nokia Plan H [nokiaplanh.com] , Nokia Plan I [nokiaplani.com] , Nokia Plan J [nokiaplanj.com] , Nokia Plan K [nokiaplank.com] , Nokia Plan L [nokiaplanl.com] , Nokia Plan M [nokiaplanm.com] , Nokia Plan O [nokiaplano.com] , Nokia Plan P [nokiaplanp.com] , Nokia Plan Q [nokiaplanq.com] , Nokia Plan R [nokiaplanr.com] , Nokia Plan S [nokiaplans.com] , Nokia Plan T [nokiaplant.com] , Nokia Plan V [nokiaplanv.com] , Nokia Plan W [nokiaplanw.com] , Nokia Plan X [nokiaplanx.com] , Nokia Plan XP [nokiaplanxp.com] , Nokia Plan Y [nokiaplany.com] , Nokia Plan Z [nokiaplanz.com] , Nokia Plan 0 [nokiaplan0.com] , Nokia Plan 2 [nokiaplan2.co.nr] , Nokia Plan 5 [nokiaplan5.com] , Nokia Plan 9 [nokiaplan9.com] , Nokia Plan 10 [nokiaplan10.com]

Profit!

Re:You mean... (1)

Noughmad (1044096) | more than 3 years ago | (#35232930)

I want the Nokia 3310 Touch !!!

Re:You mean... (4, Funny)

Archangel Michael (180766) | more than 3 years ago | (#35233134)

In related news, HP plans to release a special "Facebook Edition" of the WebOS phone, to be called "Face Palm".

Re:You mean... (2, Insightful)

KiloByte (825081) | more than 3 years ago | (#35231168)

The plan is working as intended. Elop doesn't hold a single Nokia share, but is one of biggest shareholders of Microsoft -- trashing the company will make him lose nothing and get a nice severance payout once the investors finally get rid of him. All of his efforts go towards increasing Microsoft's stock.

Re:You mean... (4, Insightful)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 3 years ago | (#35231366)

And what EXACTLY were they supposed to do otherwise, hmmm? For all the big talk here nobody seems to want to accept reality. Nokia is bleeding to death, dumb phones are going the way of 8-tracks (even the third world is starting to have home grown smartphones which all predict will kill the dumb phone), android is beyond saturated, MeeGo is a turd, and Apple and HP won't sell iOS and WebOS respectively.

So where EXACTLY does that leave them an alternative? They need a product RIGHT NOW this very minute, they don't have time losing share as quickly as they are to dick around for who knows how long to get MeeGo up to snuff, and NOBODY like Symbian for anything other than dumb phones.

so lets hear it...where were they supposed to go? I'm sure the militants here would have rather they simply close their doors rather than make a deal with "teh evil M$!! ZOMG!" but where EXACTLY could they go? Nobody wants another android, hell there is so many droids on the market now it is frankly saturated. MSFT was willing to spend BILLIONS with a capital B to have Nokia be their hardware division and frees up Nokia to concentrate on hardware, so where EXACTLY is the bad here, other than the usual fanboy "teh evil M$!! ZOMG!!@" bullshit?

It wasn't like the company was hearts and flowers and then MSFT came along, the whole reason they got a new CEO was the company was bleeding out. You know, once upon a time /. was actually NEWS FOR NERDS not conspiracy theorists, and we had long discussions on the merits and disadvantages BASED ON THE TECH. Now the site is becoming Boycott Novell where everything is one giant conspiracy by Gates secretly running Redmond from a large tower that looks suspiciously like Mordor. More and more I'm starting to think the tech guys have been run out of here and been replaced by thousands of these guys. [penny-arcade.com]

Disliking WinPhone 7 because of the tech is one thing, from what I've read they still have several niggling bugs to iron out and app switching is hit or miss, but the ZOMG M$!!! ZOMG!" bullshit really is getting old. Is this /. or Boycott Novell?

Re:You mean... (2)

jabuzz (182671) | more than 3 years ago | (#35231444)

Port the Android UI over the Symbian kernel. Much as I like Linux as a kernel for a phone it sucks.

Re:You mean... (1)

shallot (172865) | more than 3 years ago | (#35232242)

Port the Android UI over the Symbian kernel. Much as I like Linux as a kernel for a phone it sucks.

Have you actually tried using a Symbian kernel in a similar setting? I used a Nokia E72, and its OS behavior seems worse than what I see on a Froyo phone - the whole thing rebooting without warning is pretty much a regular occurence with non-trivial use. And that's with a much smaller app selection. I honestly can't imagine it would magically improve if subjected to the breadth of apps from the Android Market (which is a major part of "Android UI" the way most people use it).

Re:You mean... (1)

MattSausage (940218) | more than 3 years ago | (#35231638)

If I had points I'd mod you up. But since I don't take solace in the fact that I'll be very sad when you modded down into oblivion.

People 'round these parts don't much like being asked to contribute positively where Microsoft is involved.

Re:You mean... (1)

Daniel Phillips (238627) | more than 3 years ago | (#35232940)

People 'round these parts don't much like being asked to contribute positively where Microsoft is involved.

Perhaps because they tend to have a spine.

Re:You mean... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35231698)

You say you don't like the the flamewars, but your post reads like someone trying to instigate a flamewar.

Re:You mean... (1)

MikeDirnt69 (1105185) | more than 3 years ago | (#35231878)

Flamewars on flamewars are not flamewars.

Re:You mean... (4, Interesting)

Greger47 (516305) | more than 3 years ago | (#35232076)

So where EXACTLY does that leave them an alternative? They need a product RIGHT NOW this very minute, they don't have time losing share as quickly as they are to dick around for who knows how long to get MeeGo up to snuff, and NOBODY like Symbian for anything other than dumb phones.

And how does a panic switch to WP7 help them now? Since it's a totally new platform to Nokia you can count on it taking them at least 12 months to get their first Windows phone out the door.

And with Symbian oficially declared dead you can count on their smart-phone market share dwindling even faster reaching exactly 0 in the mean time. Talk about loosing market traction, getting any market for their WP7 phone is going to be a uphill battle.

With MeeGo they have the device in the works ready within short, who knows it might even be ready as promised since November last year and Elop delayed it for tactical reasons to make his switch to WP7 seem even more justified.

/greger

Re:You mean... (1)

Astatine (179864) | more than 3 years ago | (#35232168)

Err, Slashdot has always held a "ZOMG M$!!!" attitude. More so in 2001 than in 2011 in fact, I think...

Re:You mean... (1)

Mister Whirly (964219) | more than 3 years ago | (#35232928)

Well now that it has been revealed that Steve Jobs is actually the secret Sith Lord, some attitudes are starting to change a little around here.

Re:You mean... (4, Insightful)

ladoga (931420) | more than 3 years ago | (#35232316)

And what EXACTLY were they supposed to do otherwise, hmmm? For all the big talk here nobody seems to want to accept reality. Nokia is bleeding to death, dumb phones are going the way of 8-tracks (even the third world is starting to have home grown smartphones which all predict will kill the dumb phone), android is beyond saturated, MeeGo is a turd, and Apple and HP won't sell iOS and WebOS respectively.

Nokia is a world market leader in mobile phones. They were doing not so well, but bleeding to death is quite far from it.

Certainly they were not doing badly enough to warrant outsourcing whole software development out of coutry to Microsoft. By this Nokia has reduced itself to mere commodity hardware manufacturer, no different from LG, RIM and others.

And how to you think that WP7 helps Nokia to keep their domination of low end markets? It doesn't. a) WP7 won't run on such hardware. b) licencing fees are too expensice when every dollar counts. Android however without licencing fees is a viable option to Chinese manufacturers of cheap feature phones and will slowly begin conquering low end markets from s40. Symbian could have been possible contender at low end, but now it is dumped alltogether.

Nokia had a smartphone OS of it's own in Maemo, but they dumped it when it was almost ready and after releasing only one phone on it! Then about a year ago they went on to develop MeeGo instead. Either of these would have been far better choice than WP7.

When publishing the Microsoft deal Elop said that the reason for switching WP7 is that MeeGo is not ready and Symbian is not competitive. How does WP7 remedy this, with no new phones in 2011? Atleast (and with limited resources allocated to it) there is supposedly one MeeGo phone coming out from Nokia this year. Instead of giving up software R&D and laying off thousands of software engineers (and hurting Finnish society in progress) they could have put all these resources to MeeGo and Qt. I think after two years they would have been far better off. Think about it. WP7 is still missing basic features like multitasking and cut & paste, while Google and Apple are actually pushing new concepts to the market. In 2012 when first Nokia phones with WP7 are out WP7 is still playing catch up. How do you think Nokia is going to maintain it's position or even stay as healthy company as their sales crash during in 2011? Afterall who on earth will buy Symbian phones when it's future is doomed and the new Nokia CEO is calling it junk openly.

IMHO this MS deal is almost as good as suicide for Nokia.

What still bothers me about MS... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35232322)

...is that despite all its resources, the company seems unable to release anything truly interesting.
It's as though they are pathologically attracted to mediocrity.

Re:You mean... (1)

BlackSnake112 (912158) | more than 3 years ago | (#35232334)

Dumb phones do not get the press, but they are still outselling smart phones in numbers. Many people just want a phone. I thought nokia out sold all the smart phone combined world wide with their dumb phones? Unless that is pure bs put out by 5 different news sites?

Re:You mean... (1)

BJ_Covert_Action (1499847) | more than 3 years ago | (#35233014)

They need a product RIGHT NOW this very minute

Well they had Maemo 2 years ago and, quite frankly, it kicks ass. If they had stuck with that, they would have a product right now that could compete. But instead they dropped it for MeeGo, which, had they dumped resources into it back in 2009, they could have had right now. Instead, they dropped a product they had (a very popular product they had), waffled about a product they wanted to have, and, finally, sold out (in a very literal sense) to Microsoft. If you want to discuss technical merits, I would happily take the technical merits of the Maemo OS up against the Windows Mobile 7 platform any day. But, at that point, we'd be talking about a product that was dropped for, apparently, no good reason. So it's kind of a wasted debate.

I think all of the ire about this Nokia decision doesn't come purely as a function of this final decision. I think a lot of nerds just see this as the final coffin nail in Nokia's bleak future after a long series of poor decisions. All the pent up rage from past decisions is just being vented again. It's not conspiracy theory, just feelings of exasperation and betrayal of a loyal customer base that is fed up with getting burned by a company they invested so much money and time in.

Re:You mean... (1)

tripleevenfall (1990004) | more than 3 years ago | (#35234166)

I for one think this is the right move for Nokia. It helps them because they don't have a market. They've been asleep at the wheel in the smartphone space for years. None of the major wireless carriers are going to let Nokia push into the smartphone market with Symbian, a little known and underdeveloped platform, and it would be suicide anyway. Nokia is dying. By selling their souls to MSFT, they at least get a platform, and they can start selling their phones to retailers. It might work too - people know the Nokia name, and seeing a Windows Phone device might be underwhelming to a consumer but Nokia might add a little trust. Right now they have zero for smartphone and the dumbphone market is in the death throes. They either had to join or die.

Re:You mean... (1)

tripleevenfall (1990004) | more than 3 years ago | (#35234184)

This is sort of the inverse of when Sega's consoles all flopped and so they gave up and started trying to develop games. They couldn't create their own game anymore, so they tried to win at the other guys' - because it was that or going out of business.

Re:You mean... (2)

Eskarel (565631) | more than 3 years ago | (#35232570)

As opposed to the previous CEO who presumably owned an awful lot of Nokia stock, but at the same time seemed to spend his entire time on the job increasing the share price of Apple.

Let's get this straight, the iPhone wouldn't be half the success it is if there had been any real competition. It would still have done well because it was a good phone but it did so fantastically well because there was not a single smart phone on the market which didn't suck. Nokia should have had that market, they had the brand reputation, they had the facilities and the talent to do it. Unfortunately every single thing they've made that's in any way complex has sucked, Symbian sucks, MeeGo sucks and is pretty much dead now that Android is on the scene. The big seller of open source for commercial enterprise is free developers. How many people do you think are going to be doing unpaid development on MeeGo rather than Android?

Microsoft needs someone to make hardware for them, and Nokia has the facilities to produce it, and if they haven't all already quit or been sacked they have the expertise to design it to. Yes, in the end Nokia will probably just end up as an independent division of Microsoft who can make hardware without pissing off the regulators, but the alternative is far worse.

Nokia's talent density (1)

Gary W. Longsine (124661) | more than 3 years ago | (#35232762)

Actually, it's not at all clear that Nokia has the talent required to do what you suggest. Perhaps it is simply a management failure, but for years they've dedicated substantial resources to development of mobile phone OS, and managed to produce only slight tweaks to a mediocre platform (Symbian), and failed to deliver its successor (MeeGo).

Re:Nokia's talent density (1)

Daniel Phillips (238627) | more than 3 years ago | (#35232970)

it's not at all clear that Nokia has the talent required to do what you suggest.

Their hardware engineering is brilliant, software less so.

Re:You mean... (1)

Daniel Phillips (238627) | more than 3 years ago | (#35232882)

The plan is working as intended.

I doubt it was intended that this stratagem should knock 4% off Microsoft's share price. Clearly, the investing public sees no great success for Microsoft, only yet another distraction and use of resources.

Re:You mean... (1)

thePowerOfGrayskull (905905) | more than 3 years ago | (#35234088)

As long as we're talking conspiracy theory, Elop was quite possibly sent over from MS in order to acquire nokia as a partner in manufacturing . And no, of course I don't have facts to back it up. What kind of lame conspiracy theory would that be?

Three horse race (4, Informative)

j_l_cgull (129101) | more than 3 years ago | (#35230962)

Elop described this partnership as making the smartphone market a three horse race. It is starting to be more like a three legged horse race.

With the first Nokia/WP phones slated for 2012, there is ample time for one (if not two) updates for iOS phones and a boat load of Android (especially low cost) devices to hit the market. With no meaningful transition (for both customers and developers) from Symbian to WP, why would anybody buy a high end Symbian device today ?

There has been a lot of chatter about a cheaper iPhone being able to penetrate emerging markets. I suspect unless that device can work without requiring a computer, this will be a non-starter. Android devices have the edge in this regard.

Re:Three horse race (1)

commodore6502 (1981532) | more than 3 years ago | (#35231026)

>>>With the first Nokia/WP phones slated for 2012

Why so long? Surely it isn't that difficult to take an existing Nokia phone and port Windows phone 7 to it. Aim for September release so you can take advantage of the coming Christmas spending spree.

Re:Three horse race (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35231102)

Nokia made very clear at WMC that they aim for 2011 release. Parent is just spreading fud. Probably some butthurt iOS/android fanboy.

Re:Three horse race (2)

ladoga (931420) | more than 3 years ago | (#35231592)

Jorma Ollila said yesterday on Finnish TV that WP7 phones can be expected in 2012.

Doesn't seem clear to me. Even the Nokia leadership can't agree when their Windows phones are ready.

Re:Three horse race (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35231216)

This is Nokia. On the basis of past performance, 2014 would be an achievement.

Re:Three horse race (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35231250)

Existing phones are not sufficiently powerful. Nokia has always steered towards economy and efficiency. Existing phones were built with that in mind. A WP7 phone will require a new hardware design.

Re:Three horse race (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35232498)

Agreed. But it seems to me they target the next step, and hope to survive (if battered, as Elop himself admitted) in the meantime.

The next step is a converged device. It's a phone on its own, with phone apps. But put it into a dock connected to a keyboard and larger screen, and it becomes a regular computer. Think Moto Atrix like offspring in a few years. Everyone on Slashdot see the advanced in phone CPU/GPU. And for storage, at high-end you can already have 32 GB embedded + 32 GB on a removable card. So in a few year, you could have enough horsepower and storage to do fulfill regular job and personal usage (+ network storage for the heavy stuff).

MS WP7 is a stop gap implementation. A new phone UI over an old crappy embedded OS (WinCE child). That's why it's .Net only, they know they will have to scrap the foundation and put a real OS ASAP. And they said W8 will support ARM. I'm sure it's not only for low power servers...
So by W8, they will have a unified core that can be used for phone and PC.
And they will still have Office, and Outlook. And we all know how some people are hooked to that (not me, not you, but we're not statistically significant).

Add to this the trend to have your own phone/computer for work. In a few year that could be MS trojan to get back in the race seriously. With Nokia as the new Dell, and all ARM CPU providers as the new Intel --- but with lower margins due to intense competition, so more $$$ for software and services for the same target price.
It's a new architecture, but nothing scary. And I'm sure MS we'll be happy to be less dependent on Intel in the end. Not a big price to pay for MS to port their application to ARM. And more sw vendors will follow.

They both need to stay alive until there. By sucking to the operators who want a 3rd horse for now. But eventually, they will be as bad as Apple is today for the operator.

Apple is ready for the convergence transition, as iOS is kin of OS-X.
HP seem to want to do it on their own with WebOS. They may leverage a bit the linux sw resource when convergence happens, but it's hard to pull it off. I guess that was also Nokia execs conclusion for their own Meego, which is later than WebOS (even if very interesting and promising from a pure tech point of view).
RIM is only a phone maker. Where can they go in a converged world?
Android is nice for phones now, but too limited for a real computer (see Moto Atrix as evidence). Will Google act to cut the air to MS? They need to do more than ChromeOS then. Trying to get people to the could only and not providing a really powerful *local* OS is too limited. But if they see the danger from MS, and are ready to do a real linux distro under Android they maybe? Maybe they could establish a new environment before MS is ready, and force a transition? But Google should move very quickly now.
MS is in a tough spot right now, but in a few year in this new context, by playing people laziness and don't-want-to-change-my-habits oh-here's-office-and-outlook to people they could come back in a big way.

I find it quite depressing to be frank. I would rather see a clean start from a clean base. But frankly, look at technical evolution in CPU and OS, and how important legacy compatibility is. Here it's already a CPU transition (ARM to Intel, which without MS has no real legacy advantage as all linux trivially recompile to ARM --- see Debian armel), I'm not sure a lot besides sandlotters are ready to make the big jump to a new OS/sw environment too. And I regret it.

It all could be a brilliant evil plan in the end, in a way. It's still becoming more OEM like for Nokia in the end (I don't count much on their services...), but I guess their conclusion is that they can't really expect better.

Anyway, I'm using linux on my PC and will use it on my phone. But I'm getting ready to stay a minority. Unless Google provides a true linux OS distro, maybe.

Re:Three horse race (1)

j_l_cgull (129101) | more than 3 years ago | (#35233372)

MS WP7 is a stop gap implementation. A new phone UI over an old crappy embedded OS (WinCE child). That's why it's .Net only, they know they will have to scrap the foundation and put a real OS ASAP. And they said W8 will support ARM. I'm sure it's not only for low power servers... So by W8, they will have a unified core that can be used for phone and PC.

I think Nokia is waiting for some development like this over WP7, which is probably the reason for the delay - late 2011/early 2012 for the Nokia /WP phones.

I find it quite depressing to be frank. I would rather see a clean start from a clean base.

As somebody who still (occasionally) uses a Nokia E61i, I share your sentiment. The E61i still beats the N1 in terms of VoIP voice quality, battery usage when connected to SIP over WiFi and a host of UI areas (why does Android treat screen lock time out and security time out to be the same - come on Google, this has been a requested feature since 1.6). With all the focus on apps everywhere, simple but essential features like this are overlooked.

I hope some OEM takes MeeGoo and runs with it. That's the only hope for a base OS that runs from phones to tablets to whatever else the future holds.

Re:Three horse race (1)

ADRA (37398) | more than 3 years ago | (#35233802)

iPhone is defacto a non-starter in -developing markets- because they require a PC/Mac for key features of the platform. This is absolutely non-viable for developing markets where cell phones are often used over wired telcos because of poor power & wired telephone coverage. A cheap iPhone being 100 and 100% wireless updates / sync support have a chance, but that's about it.

Why was this story even news to begin with? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35230978)

I really enjoyed how all the tech sites ran with it like it was completely legit and we should all listen. The entire thing was foolish -- it was supposedly 9 people that were former Nokia employees. Why that was given so much press is beyond me. Would we have listened to 9 former Google employees if they said Google should stop Android and switch to something else? I think not. Just typical anti-ms going around the internet.

Re:Why was this story even news to begin with? (5, Insightful)

Rakshasa Taisab (244699) | more than 3 years ago | (#35231028)

It got around the tech sites cause it was so obviously a much better idea than Nokia Plan A...

Doesn't matter if it was a hoax or not, they would do well to heed it.

Re:Why was this story even news to begin with? (1, Insightful)

DrgnDancer (137700) | more than 3 years ago | (#35231144)

I really don't think it was a better plan. Rather more to the point, it might have been a better plan with a lot more flesh on its bones, and had Nokia not already inked the deals that would drive "Plan A" forward. As it was it was a lot of vague hand waving and spending a fortune "re-reinventing" the wheel. I don't want to know how much money Nokia has spent re-aligning itself for the MS deal, but tossing that out that window and going with an entirely new plan would probably cost that much again (or even more).

I understand that people who like Symbian would consider the "Plan B" superior from their own personal "I finally get a MeeGo phone" point of view, but it was fairly unrealistic given the current state of Nokia. The likely result would have been a Nokia bankrupt or dramatically weakened and unable to produce the kind of phones you want anyway. For good or ill, Nokia's path forward was determined when the ink on the MS deal was dry.

Re:spent to align (4, Funny)

TaoPhoenix (980487) | more than 3 years ago | (#35231214)

Why did they have to spend much at all?

Microsoft: "Put Windows Phone on your handsets."
Nokia: "We'd rather not..."
Microsoft: "Sudo put Windows on your handsets."
Nokia: "Okay."

Costs:
License rights to XKCD
Buying Randall Munroe lunch and a free phone
Replacing Ballmer's Chair

Re:spent to align (1)

mcneely.mike (927221) | more than 3 years ago | (#35231356)

Costs:
License rights to XKCD
Buying Randall Munroe lunch and a free phone
Replacing Ballmer's Chair:
Priceless

Re:spent to align (2)

DrgnDancer (137700) | more than 3 years ago | (#35231612)

That kinda thing is always expensive. They're laying a lot of people off, that saves money in the long run but has huge upfront costs. Especially in a labor friendly jurisdiction like Finland. Figure every person they layoff gets a month of two of severance pay. Probably more in a place like Finland, but at least that. Gotta pay out everyone's accrued vacation (in a country where 6 weeks vacation a year is the norm). With large scale layoffs like this they probably provide a lot of job search assistance and such. In the US, layoffs for a reasonably experienced worker often cost around 3 to 4 months worth of that person's typical monthly cost. I wouldn't be surprised if in Finland it's more like 6 months.

They're probably breaking a lot of contracts with dev shops that were working on MeeGo for them, that costs penalties. They're going to have to replace infrastructure. Ripping out your Linux dev environment and replacing it with a Windows dev environment isn't cheap, even if MS eats most of the software costs. The people they aren't laying off they're going to have retrain. They may have to scrap some hardware designs and start over depending on how similar MeeGo and WP7 are in UI, and hardware support.

Turning it around now, they'd have to undo all the changes they made (incurring all the same costs again), break a contract with Microsoft (sure to be expensive), plus pay a whole new set of realignment costs, becasue "Plan B" didn't call for just backing out of the MS deal but a completely different set of changes.

Re:spent to align (1)

Eskarel (565631) | more than 3 years ago | (#35232636)

Because Nokia needed an infusion of cash to survive and because this isn't "Put Windows Phone on your handsets" it's "Build us some handsets for Windows phone" which is much more expensive.

Re:spent to align (1)

ppanon (16583) | more than 3 years ago | (#35233222)

Microsoft: "Sudo put Windows on your handsets."

I believe you mean Microsoft: runas /user:administrator "put Windows on your handsets."

Re:Why was this story even news to begin with? (1)

ladoga (931420) | more than 3 years ago | (#35232614)

I understand that people who like Symbian would consider the "Plan B" superior from their own personal "I finally get a MeeGo phone" point of view, but it was fairly unrealistic given the current state of Nokia. The likely result would have been a Nokia bankrupt or dramatically weakened and unable to produce the kind of phones you want anyway.

Bankrupt? Nokia was still making billions of profit per year. It would take several years, probably five or more of straight out losses for bankrupcy.

Their problem was not getting enough growth in profits to please shareholders and losing marketshare to competitions. Which both were natural result of having new players in the market (Apple and Google) and inflexibility of Nokia in directing their enourmous resouces where it mattered (to one low end and one modern smartphone OS, or even better, to something that could be scaled for both).

Re:Why was this story even news to begin with? (1)

DrgnDancer (137700) | more than 3 years ago | (#35233066)

I didn't say, "Nokia is going bankrupt". I said: "Had they followed the plan laid out in "Plan B", given the currently reality of contracts signed and changes already in the works, they probably would have wound up bankrupt (or seriously weakened)". Making a ship the size of Nokia do a 180 is expensive. Making it do a 180, then immediately saying "Oops", and making it do another 180 is *really* expensive. The ideas expressed in "Plan B" might have been a good move, if they weren't already executing "Plan A". At this point changing direction drastically *again* would bankrupt almost any company.

Time for a new Nokia Plan (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35230988)

I'll call it Nokia Plan B-01.
Please vote for me in the AGM.

Nokia Plan B Was Just a Hoax (-1)

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Do Finnish boards actually respect shareholders? (4, Insightful)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 3 years ago | (#35231128)

Fake or not, this plan wouldn't even have been feasible in the US were the SEC has completely dismantled shareholder rights. According to the SEC, shareholders have 0 say in what the CEO and board gets paid or even who is on it.

When Obama actually tried to introduce an SEC that would allow shareholders to have a NON-BINDING vote on CEO pay the Republicans screamed bloody murder. Apparently according to Republican philosophy you only have to work hard and actually earn your keep if you aren't already rich. The people who have gotten to the top(often times not even on their own merit) are allowed to plunder the company as they see fit. CEO pay is increasing 2x as fast as the S&P 500 and there isn't a damn thing we can do about it. At least it seems in Finland shareholders have SOME power.

Re:Do Finnish boards actually respect shareholders (2)

dwater (72834) | more than 3 years ago | (#35231280)

Feasibility in Finland would be more interesting, I think.

Re:Do Finnish boards actually respect shareholders (1)

ErikZ (55491) | more than 3 years ago | (#35231518)

What do you mean? Shareholders already have a say in what the CEO is paid. They can buy and sell the stock.

CEO pay is part of the value of a company. If you think he's being overpaid, don't buy it.

Re:Do Finnish boards actually respect shareholders (1)

nedlohs (1335013) | more than 3 years ago | (#35232240)

What if you think he is overpaid, but still think that even with that extra unneccesary cost the stock is still the best investment choice for some portion of your money?

I'm pretty sure every stock I own is for an entity that does at least one thing I disagree with.

Re:Do Finnish boards actually respect shareholders (2)

TheCouchPotatoFamine (628797) | more than 3 years ago | (#35232966)

then their not overpaid. If they can retain employees, have decent growth, and still pay exorbitant salaries for CEOs then it's okay, QED. Whether my personal opinions follow this concept, or investors are allowed to become aware of breaches of common sense due fraud is a something else, but the logic is clear.

Re:Do Finnish boards actually respect shareholders (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35233716)

then their not overpaid. If they can retain employees, have decent growth, and still pay exorbitant salaries for CEOs then it's okay, QED. Whether my personal opinions follow this concept, or investors are allowed to become aware of breaches of common sense due fraud is a something else, but the logic is clear.

The logic is circular.

Re:Do Finnish boards actually respect shareholders (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35231688)

The well-informed and humorless comment above is obviously another hoax. Even so, it is strangely insightful.

Re:Do Finnish boards actually respect shareholders (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35232370)

What the hell are you talking about? The shareholder revolt was a hoax!

Re:Do Finnish boards actually respect shareholders (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35233054)

Finnish law does not govern Nokia. Nokia law governs Finland

Re:Do Finnish boards actually respect shareholders (1)

molecular (311632) | more than 3 years ago | (#35233404)

I saw this report about a japanese CEO that rides a bus to work, eats the same food as the other staff and even decided a paycut for himself.

This kind of legislation has to have some effect at some point. Bad exensive decisions will pay out in the long run... for the competition ;)

Re:Do Finnish boards actually respect shareholders (1)

molecular (311632) | more than 3 years ago | (#35233426)

oh forgot to add: then all the whining will beginn and the US will plunge right into another useless war.

An oxymoron (5, Insightful)

Kludge (13653) | more than 3 years ago | (#35231154)

'one very bored engineer who really likes his iPhone.'

An engineer who is
1. bored
2. likes iPhones?
Does not sound like much of an engineer.

Re:An oxymoron (1)

lennier1 (264730) | more than 3 years ago | (#35231520)

Not really. I know plenty of so-called engineers whose work suggests that they must have found their degree in a Happy Meal.

Re:An oxymoron (1)

Antisyzygy (1495469) | more than 3 years ago | (#35231762)

I was thinking the same thing. Probably a Coder who thinks hes a "Software Engineer". I wish they would separate the two into different colleges, like Computer Science = Pure Science College (like math/physics), Software Engineering = Engineering College (like electrical/computer/mechanical engineering), and Coder = Technology College (like information systems).

Re:An oxymoron (1)

TheCouchPotatoFamine (628797) | more than 3 years ago | (#35232990)

can you list the type of position each of those would have that are orthogonal? I think the real-world positions are much more cloudy then you suggest.

Re:An oxymoron (1)

anethema (99553) | more than 3 years ago | (#35233896)

Until the software 'engineer' is legally responsible for his code and problems resulting of his code, he isn't an engineer. He's just a programmer.

Re:An oxymoron (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35233996)

That's exactly the grandparent's point: the optimal team has an appropriate mix of expertise, but because these jobs aren't separated, optimal teams rarely happen.

Re:An oxymoron (1)

Antisyzygy (1495469) | more than 3 years ago | (#35234104)

Ok.

Computer Science : Research in actual computational algorithms, numerical analysis applications to computer science, etc. Think a mathematician that specializes in computation. Sure, it sort of exists in mathematics i.e. computational mathematics, but computer science used to be much more mathematics based. Imagine computer science guys theoretically designing quantum algorithms right now for research.

Software Engineer : As someone said below, an engineer legally responsible for output. Someone who designs and implements a medium to large software projects with an engineering mindset. I.e. more emphasis on design, implementation, algorithms, rather than menial things like the coding. Think of someone that does flow charts, does research in what algorithms to use, GUI design, etc.

Coder : Someone that specializes in coding for technology. Think like a light version of the engineer, more-so skilled in the practical things like multiple programming languages, software use, and platforms to code on. Similar things exist today, look at the difference between a Computer Science Information Systems guy and a Business School Information Systems guy.

An analogy? Ok, there are Physicists that know about the science behind mechanics/dynamics, there are Mechanical Engineers who know the science and can implement it in a design for a practical object, and there are Mechanical Engineering Techs that can do CNC, CAD and machine parts better than any ME guy can.

Re:An oxymoron (1)

ToasterMonkey (467067) | more than 3 years ago | (#35231890)

An engineer who is
1. bored
2. likes iPhones?
Does not sound like much of an engineer.

Very intelligent people get bored when not tackling mentally challenging tasks, and they are usually paid a lot of money when they are, which is not all the time.

That's just my definition of a very intelligent person, which I am assuming most engineers are. I'm really curious what your or the moderator's definition of engineer is.

"Never bored because they all have Linux on their cellphones"?
See, you've confused Linux fanboys with engineers, that's your mistake.

a possible ironic one... (1)

gosand (234100) | more than 3 years ago | (#35232138)

I think it would be great if we knew for sure it was a Nokia engineer on his iPhone

Re:An oxymoron (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35232884)

What kind of an engineer wouldn't like an iPhone?

Re:An oxymoron (1)

flyingkillerrobots (1865630) | more than 3 years ago | (#35233322)

I would argue the other way. We have a non-engineer describing an engineer as bored. Engineers can appear bored to people who don't have that mindset, because they're so interested in everything. Furthermore, I would be more likely to trust 'one bored engineer' than 'nine young investors'. That said, I have no retort to the iphone comment.

Homestuck (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35231256)

The plan ruse was a distaction! [mspaintadventures.com]

Apple fanbois (0)

sideslash (1865434) | more than 3 years ago | (#35231362)

When will they leave the rest of the world alone? Not only was that a really obnoxious lie to spread, it likely had an effect on stock values. It would be moderately gratifying to me if the SEC fined this clown (if he's in the USA, which I guess I don't know).

Re:Apple fanbois (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35231426)

When will they leave the rest of the world alone? Not only was that a really obnoxious lie to spread, it likely had an effect on stock values. It would be moderately gratifying to me if the SEC fined this clown (if he's in the USA, which I guess I don't know).

Poor sideslash, getting picked on by the big mean Apple fanbois.

Re:Apple fanbois (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35231648)

I hate the concept of market regulators fining people. Aside from the fact stock markets are inherently valuless, corporations spreading fud don't seem to cop the stick. Susceptibility to falsehoods, I say, should be be a market pressure to openness.

Kramer on CNBC, anyone? Surprisingly, The Daily Show of all places was the one to point out the sheer insanity of what 'news' types are allowed to do.

Who gives a fuck? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35231874)

When will they leave the rest of the world alone? Not only was that a really obnoxious lie to spread, it likely had an effect on stock values. It would be moderately gratifying to me if the SEC fined this clown (if he's in the USA, which I guess I don't know).

If the stock market thought Nokia was making a good decision in getting in bed with Microsoft, then this wouldn't have made a dent. The idea that a hoax could have impacted share values makes it obvious that lots of people think Nokia is heading in the wrong direction, not just some fanboys.

As for this clown, if he works for Apple, he'll be fired by Steve (or whoever's doing Steve's job now.) If he works for Nokia, he'll be out of a job shortly, anyway, since Nokia doesn't need engineers anymore.

Re:Apple fanbois (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35233048)

When will the haters leave the rest of the world alone?

If it was a hoax.... (1)

Dcnjoe60 (682885) | more than 3 years ago | (#35231398)

If it was a hoax, the perpetrators could be charged under SEC rules with trying to manipulate the market. That would not bode well for them. Another alternative is that it wasn't a hoax, but Nokia made them an offer for their shares they couldn't refuse or if they were employees a severance package they couldn't refuse.

What's more likely, a group perpetrated a hoax and publicly admitted it knowing they could now be charged in the legal system or it wasn't a hoax and they were bought off?

Re:If it was a hoax.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35231542)

You might also want to consider that the SEC only operates in the USA, and has no authority over a Finish citizen. Just a thought. (it didn't even occur to you that this happened outside the jurisdiction of the USA did it?)

Re:If it was a hoax.... (1)

Antisyzygy (1495469) | more than 3 years ago | (#35231708)

To be fair the article doesn't really say where this guy is from.

Re:If it was a hoax.... (1)

flimflammer (956759) | more than 3 years ago | (#35233306)

$10 says our little AC troll here read the post a few threads up and learned that it was a "Finish" (It's spelled Finnish) national, and decided to troll here as if he knew all along.

Or... (1)

TheSpoom (715771) | more than 3 years ago | (#35231456)

It wasn't a hoax, and they were bought off / silenced.

Re:Or... (1)

Antisyzygy (1495469) | more than 3 years ago | (#35231826)

Or, it was an attempt at capitalizing on stock manipulation and they got paid off that way already. Think about it, short the stock when its high, release this information, wait awhile, buy back in double (so now you have a long) and release that it all was a hoax. Now you just made a killing on the short, and got Nokia stock back at a cheap price. Maybe even skip the long part, you still made money.

Pulling the site's comments back on line (1)

SlOrbA (957553) | more than 3 years ago | (#35231564)

Is the some way to get the comments of nokiaplanb.com back on line? The site was hosted by GoDaddy and I would presume it would have to been bought for 1 month. So why did it vanish?

Plan 9 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35231614)

We need Plan 9 from Nokia, a plan so horrifying that people will see there is an invasion of Nokia phones.

Wait, there's a Plan C (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35232036)

Extremely playful, colorful phones designed in collaboration with fellow Finnish supplier Marrimekko, which automatically reboot once a day to apply the latest Windows security patches.

Customers will learn to appreciate the "sorry, my phone rebooted" excuse as a way of escaping tedious conference calls.

Lulz (1)

stevegee58 (1179505) | more than 3 years ago | (#35232126)

That's what he did them for.

iPhone limitations (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35232198)

"it was all a hoax perpetuated by 'one very bored engineer who really likes his iPhone.' Ouch. That explains why the now-defunct site abruptly gave up the cause this morning after just 36 hours of existence."

He probably just couldn't access the site since it was written in Flash

Alterior motives (1)

FunkyELF (609131) | more than 3 years ago | (#35232606)

The new Nokia CEO is apparently one of the top ten largest single stockholders of Microsoft shares (I think he weights int a # 7). So he has probably more incentive to care about Microsoft's performance than he may have regarding Nokia. Under that context his push for WP7 makes total sense, since Microsoft has much more to gain for such a move than Nokia does.

If I were an actual Nokia stock holder, I'd be asking a lot of questions to the board of that company right about now. That is a very serious conflict of interest for the CEO to have, esp. since Microsoft is still a direct competitor of Nokia.

Basically Microsoft may get away with taking over Nokia without spending a single dime. Which is why the two stock prices are having such a diverging behavior right now (not that the market is a good metric for anything).

source [osnews.com]

Re:Alterior motives (3, Informative)

TrancePhreak (576593) | more than 3 years ago | (#35233976)

The source of the stockholders is actually inaccurate. He's not a top holder (only worth a million or so, MS worth billions).

No Sh*t shirlock (1)

ADRA (37398) | more than 3 years ago | (#35233710)

Who the hell uses facebook to stage an investor's revolution. I would've been more scared if it was legitimate.

Re:No Sh*t shirlock (1)

turtledawn (149719) | more than 3 years ago | (#35234158)

I imagine it will become more common and more successful as the boomers begin selling stock in large quantities to finance their retirements but the C-suite remains primarily boomer and unresponsive to their new constituency.

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