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Steve Jobs Health Worries Escalate

timothy posted more than 3 years ago | from the hope-he's-got-more-tricks-up-his-sleeve dept.

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PolygamousRanchKid writes with this sad snippet from the San Francisco Chronicle: "We all know that Steve Jobs is sick. What's not known is how sick he is, and that's worrying investors of Apple (NASDAQ: AAPL) this morning, as well as everyone else. Jobs did have pancreatic cancer a few years ago, but he had a transplant and was able to come back to work. Last time, he gave some kind of time frame for returning to work. This time, he did not. Supposedly the National Enquirer is set to run pictures of Jobs with him looking frail and gaunt. Jobs was spotted leaving the Stanford Cancer Center in Palo Alto, California, according to RadarOnline.com."

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who cares (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35237798)

who cares? let the man live his own life

Re:who cares (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35237892)

It's more fun to watch him die.

Re:who cares (5, Insightful)

Tanktalus (794810) | more than 3 years ago | (#35238068)

I'm not sure why this is marked troll. Seriously, let's keep peoples' private lives private, and only publicise public aspects of their lives.

Re:who cares (-1, Flamebait)

Kenja (541830) | more than 3 years ago | (#35238158)

Shareholders, investors, fanbois etc. When you are the head of a publicly traded and media whorish company your life is no longer private.

Re:who cares (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35238250)

Wrong.

As much as the weenies wish otherwise.,/p>

Re:who cares (0)

blair1q (305137) | more than 3 years ago | (#35238292)

He resigned a couple of weeks ago.

Surprised he hasn't just packed up his doctor and his family and absconded to an island to get away from the mouth-breathers who own a few shares of a company he built, then rebuilt, who think they own him too.

He's probably dying (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35237804)

Abdominal cancers are not fun. Pancreatic cancers are almost always fatal. I'm sure his wealth has probably bought him time... but you can't cheat death.

Re:He's probably dying (-1, Troll)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#35237832)

And possibly wasted a liver someone else could have used for a lot longer. Might have even cost someone their life to extend his a little. Would be interesting to see who was next in line for that organ.

Re:He's probably dying (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35237850)

And possibly wasted a liver someone else could have used for a lot longer. Might have even cost someone their life to extend his a little. Would be interesting to see who was next in line for that organ.

That's what wealth is for. Nothing new here.

Re:He's probably dying (3, Insightful)

blair1q (305137) | more than 3 years ago | (#35238320)

I highly doubt his money helped him get a liver any faster.

It probably kept him alive long enough to reach the top of the list, though.

And anyone saying he hasn't done anything useful since they buttoned it up is not paying attention.

Re:He's probably dying (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#35238446)

You have to be able to get to the hospital in X hours, by having access to a private plane that was that many more hospitals he could sign up for their organ lists. This is a relatively benign thing a rich person can do to get a better shot at an organ.

As another example of rich folks getting organs in slightly shady ways I present Mickey Mantle.

Re:He's probably dying (0)

blair1q (305137) | more than 3 years ago | (#35238500)

I don't think the system was as tight when Mantle was looking for braaaaaainnnn...--er, body parts.

And I'm pretty sure it doesn't let rich folks shop around.

But give John Boehner and the House GOP a few days, they'll cons up a bill that will not only allow that, but guarantee the private-plane flight is deductible.

Re:He's probably dying (-1, Troll)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#35237864)

It is now trollish to speculate on the possible outcome of things if he had not been rich?

I wish him the best, and hope that this was an organ no one else could have used. I just am enough of a realist to recognize that this is probably not true.

Re:He's probably dying (1)

lvangool (1393983) | more than 3 years ago | (#35238332)

Pretty sick thought, even for Slashdot...judging from your liver remark while this was or still is pancreatic cancer, you are probably better left ignored.

Re:He's probably dying (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#35238476)

He had a liver transplant. He admitted that, it is not uncommon for a person to need one due to pancreatic cancer. See that is the thing about cancer it spreads.

Re:He's probably dying (2)

khallow (566160) | more than 3 years ago | (#35238414)

And possibly wasted a liver someone else could have used for a lot longer.

It's a shame to see someone obsessed over who gets the liver while ignoring two things. You can always find someone more deserving of a particular organ. Such judgments are highly subjective. I, for example, was more deserving of that liver even though I had no use for it. I don't think it fair of Mr. Jobs that we have people, with no right, obligation, or clue in the matter, to second-guess how an organ is used.

Second, the issue of who gets the liver is nothing compared to the problem of people dying. We can and will figure out how to grow livers so that this particular horrible lottery goes away some day. We won't fix the problem of people dying as easily.

But that is the real medical problem. It's not who gets the liver or whether this procedure will help a person live longer. It's the fundamental problem that our bodies decay and we haven't figured out how to fix that yet. It's just my humble opinion, but I think we will eventually figure that out, be it in a few decades or a few millennia.

I can't help but view opinions such as the above with cynicism. Obsession with "fairness", deciding who gets what scarce medical benefit, happens at the expense of actual treatment of illness and infirmity. It hurts us all.

Re:He's probably dying (0)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#35238504)

I think we can have a more fair system of allocating organs. It could be based solely on how long the person will be able to use it for instance. The 5 year outcome for patients with pancreatic cancer is not good, even with this sort of treatment. Determining how organs are allocated does not happen at the expense of actual treatment, it can be done solely based on statistics.

Re:He's probably dying (2)

izomiac (815208) | more than 3 years ago | (#35238498)

The transplant list is based on medical necessity and the likelihood of survival (e.g. if someone is still drinking they won't get a liver). Being rich doesn't change that. What does change is, if you have access to a private jet, you can be placed on the transplant list in a very wide area. A poor person might just be able to get to a single city within a few hours, but Steve Jobs could probably be anywhere in a ten state region in the same amount of time. If he didn't get that liver, the next person would've needed it a bit less, or it might have even gone to waste.

Re:He's probably dying (2, Informative)

overshoot (39700) | more than 3 years ago | (#35238000)

you can't cheat death.

Sure you can -- just like you can cheat the Mob. Long term, the results are about the same, too.

Re:He's probably dying (5, Insightful)

Pieroxy (222434) | more than 3 years ago | (#35238064)

Can't we just leave him alone? I mean, when he bashes on Google openly, let the press and everyone else fire full power. It's fair game.

But now? Doesn't he deserve some privacy or even just some respect? Not because of what he's done, be because of what he is living right now.

Re:He's probably dying (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35238176)

Sure you can.

Use all that money to hire the best at cancer research, robotics, artificial limbs, stem cells, and get cracking.
Hell, even nanotech.
Some crazy story about cancer cures? Hell, if you are dying, try that shit in a dish of cancer cells, might as well.
If it fails, yank that out, clean room of the cleanest possible standards ever, chemo, blah blah.

Yeah, dudes probably going to die.

Netcraft confirms it: Steve Jobs is dying. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35238218)

Doctors of Medicinal Wizardry at Netcraft Sanitoriums have determined that Steve Jobs is dying. His slow lapse into death is due to a lack of Ego, which he has depleted to run Apple Enterprises. It was considered giving him a shot of Humility (which has has no natural reserve of) as an experimental treatment, but past review of his life has determined that this would be of no effect. Apple fanbois are quietly assembling at Cupertino to prepare for the inevitable deathwatch.

Re:He's probably dying (2)

the_humeister (922869) | more than 3 years ago | (#35238296)

He had a pancreatic endocrine neoplasm (median survival of 7 years), which is much better than pancreatic adenocarcinoma (2% 5-year survival).

Apples (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35237818)

I guess an apple a day doesn't keep the doctor away. nyuk nyuk nyuk

Leave Steve Jobs Alone (2, Insightful)

deutschemonte (764566) | more than 3 years ago | (#35237834)

Leave him alone!

-Android Fanboy

Re:Leave Steve Jobs Alone (4, Insightful)

MooseMuffin (799896) | more than 3 years ago | (#35237928)

Seriously, leave him alone. Even more so if he's actually dying.

Re:Leave Steve Jobs Alone (1)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | more than 3 years ago | (#35238076)

Sorry, he's an officer of a publicly held company. Other people need to know about his health in order to properly plan. If he came out and said "I have Stage IV cancer with a 3-6 month mortality prognosis" that would be one thing, but the secrecy is irresponsible, and in fact generates interest. Why else would a trashy celebrity news site follow him around?

Re:Leave Steve Jobs Alone (2)

insertwackynamehere (891357) | more than 3 years ago | (#35238122)

There's a difference between speculation from a respectful standpoint and tabloids plastering bullshit everywhere to make a point. There is also a disturbing number of internet denizens who honestly think it is funny to make fun of someone dying or try and trivialize it because they don't like iPods or think that it's edgy or something.

Re:Leave Steve Jobs Alone (1)

sarysa (1089739) | more than 3 years ago | (#35237962)

Leave him alone!

-Android Fanboy

I'm trying to figure out if you meant that to be multilayered humor or not...

Re:Leave Steve Jobs Alone (1)

deutschemonte (764566) | more than 3 years ago | (#35238024)

Humor as it relates to a crying YouTube video, but mentioned I am anf Android fanboy to show my sincerity.

Re:Leave Steve Jobs Alone (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35237998)

Somebody please mod this up. What is wrong with these people? Let the man have some rest.

-Google Fanboy

Re:Leave Steve Jobs Alone (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35238002)

I have no personal love for the man, and defidently no love for apple, but I concur - leave the poor man alone.

Of course he is dying (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35237836)

...everybody dies. Seriously.

Re:Of course he is dying (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35237872)

...everybody lies. Seriously.

Fixed that for you.

Re:Of course he is dying (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35237986)

Thank you Dr. House.

Re:Of course he is dying (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35237926)

I won't accept that I'm not immortal until after I die.

In the meantime. It's fun being immortal!

Hope he dies. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35237838)

Fucker.

Story Troll (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35237844)

I wish you could mark a headline as TROLL -1

good (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35237852)

hopefully he'll go like the pharoahs and bring the marketing department along with him to the afterlife.

microsoft will buy apple making it another nokia.

ein Volk, ein Betriebssystem, ein Rechner

I hate Apple (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35237858)

I think Apple products are trendy crap. I can't stand the products or the users. I have an Android phone and I love it. I hope Android crushes iPhone. I also hope Steve gets better! I am still bothered by the way he pretended to invent multitasking instead of just admitting that he was catching up to Android, but good god people please quit wishing bad things on the guy. Let's just hope that he (along with people we don't even know) can be happy, in general. Hate the game, not the player. Or something?

Re:I hate Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35238052)

Ummm, wheres your proxy support, pretty important on a business phone i think, so we can wait untill you catch up there

Re:I hate Apple (1)

blair1q (305137) | more than 3 years ago | (#35238338)

There's a difference between being trendy, and creating the trend.

And it's not even a little bit subtle.

Seriously don't care... (3, Insightful)

Super Dave Osbourne (688888) | more than 3 years ago | (#35237862)

and the reasons are multiple... - I don't own stock in Apple, its over priced anyway for a consumer electronics company. - Steve Jobs wouldn't give a crap if I was dying, nor would I get press for my health issues. - The market knows he is not the messiah, and Apple as a mega corp will continue on with the wisdom of many other vested parties. - Health issues should be private, kept private and not trivialized by news media. - Respect the privacy of others, too many people in the media don't. and the list goes on and one. Just make it a non story by wishing him the best and in the afterlife and if he is reborn he is more than a toad or troll for his massive good deeds to the people he has destroyed and belittled.

Re:Seriously don't care... (1)

Gr33nJ3ll0 (1367543) | more than 3 years ago | (#35237946)

Mod parent up! Serious non-story/invasion of privacy/looking at a train wreck sorta dynamic in play.

Re:Seriously don't care... (2, Insightful)

scubamage (727538) | more than 3 years ago | (#35237958)

Not to mention he wasn't the genius behind Apple. Steve Wozniak was. In fact in numerous interviews about all Steve Jobs had a hand in in actually designing the original Apple computers was insisting that the power supply be a certain color for aesthetics. The real work was done by a man whom half the nation probably has no idea exists.

Re:Seriously don't care... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35238050)

Not to mention he wasn't the genius behind Apple. Steve Wozniak was.

That was Act I, right? That started winding down after IBM came out with the PC and blew away the Apple II (IIe, IIc, IIgs) in the marketplace.

Re:Seriously don't care... (1)

Super Dave Osbourne (688888) | more than 3 years ago | (#35238118)

Yes, Apple I/][/][+ were act ONE. Act II as I recall was the //c (response to Osbourne and others), /// to the business market, GS for the media home market, and of course Mac/Lisa and more Mac crap than you can toss a stick at for Act III. Act IV was of course what we have now, the music distribution company that played the Music Industry like a fiddle. IBM came and went, and now came again with software mostly and big business focus. But IBM is so much more than just that, with research (which Apple tossed in the restructure and resurrection of Apple by the Steve) in the billions. Apple does one thing well now, they make shiny toys for big and little boys. It works, and they are #1 in the world as a result. Woz was the heart and soul of the engineering, SJ was and maybe still is the heart and soul of the massive marketing and design (esthetics) effort. This topic has been discussed for decades, and its now time to wish the design guy good luck. Long live the Woz.

Re:Seriously don't care... (2)

Anonymous Psychopath (18031) | more than 3 years ago | (#35238084)

Not to mention he wasn't the genius behind Apple. Steve Wozniak was. In fact in numerous interviews about all Steve Jobs had a hand in in actually designing the original Apple computers was insisting that the power supply be a certain color for aesthetics. The real work was done by a man whom half the nation probably has no idea exists.

Woz is the genius behind the original Apple products from decades past, and Jobs is the genius behind the consumer electronics and publishing juggernaut that Apple is today.

Engineers and designers are the real geniuses (2)

perpenso (1613749) | more than 3 years ago | (#35238356)

Not to mention he wasn't the genius behind Apple. Steve Wozniak was. In fact in numerous interviews about all Steve Jobs had a hand in in actually designing the original Apple computers was insisting that the power supply be a certain color for aesthetics. The real work was done by a man whom half the nation probably has no idea exists.

Woz is the genius behind the original Apple products from decades past, and Jobs is the genius behind the consumer electronics and publishing juggernaut that Apple is today.

Not really. The real geniuses are the engineers and the designers. The difference between the Apple II days and now is that decades ago the engineers and designers were far more visible or well known. The Apple II and Woz being at one extreme, however the original Mac had the designers/engineers names molded into the interior of the case. Jobs, then and now, stands on the shoulders of the engineers and designers.

Best wishes for Jobs. Hopefully he just has to slow down and relax.

Re:Seriously don't care... (4, Insightful)

blair1q (305137) | more than 3 years ago | (#35238374)

Woz was the technical genius who put the parts together to make the new product simple enough to be useful to millions.

Jobs is the one who ensured millions understood why it was useful.

History is littered with people who thought you could be Apple by skimping on either of those talents.

Re:Seriously don't care... (3, Informative)

Solandri (704621) | more than 3 years ago | (#35238302)

Take it from an engineer who's seen lots of fellow engineers try to make start-ups and fail. Having good engineering is not enough. You need good engineering and good marketing. Woz was the engineering genius. Jobs was the marketing genius. Without either, Apple would not be where it is today.

Re:Seriously don't care... (1)

bay43270 (267213) | more than 3 years ago | (#35238482)

Woz is responsible for Apple's success? Right. And Sputnik bankrupted the Soviet Union.

He left in '87. Apple's real success wouldn't come for another 15 years.

Re:Seriously don't care... (1)

Pieroxy (222434) | more than 3 years ago | (#35238082)

Apple is one of the few tech companies that are NOT overpriced. Given their revenue and profits, the market value for Apple is just on par with any industrial company. Geeeez.

Wall street not worried (1)

perpenso (1613749) | more than 3 years ago | (#35238468)

Apple is one of the few tech companies that are NOT overpriced. Given their revenue and profits, the market value for Apple is just on par with any industrial company. Geeeez.

True but perception and fear can cause a bit of short term volatility.

Contrary to what the summary claims investors are not generally worried, AAPLE was down only 1.3% today. They realize that Steve has picked and trained a very strong management team, a team that proved itself during his previous absence.

Best wishes for Jobs. Hopefully he just has to slow down and relax.

Re:Seriously don't care... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35238470)

except every other company pays dividends so investors don't rely on the bigger idiot theory of investing.

Re:Seriously don't care... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35238310)

If you think apple stock is overpriced why aren't you shorting it? You could make a lot of money when the inevitable crash happens.

Re:Seriously don't care... (1)

Solandri (704621) | more than 3 years ago | (#35238490)

I don't own stock in Apple, its over priced anyway for a consumer electronics company [...] Health issues should be private, kept private and not trivialized by news media. - Respect the privacy of others, too many people in the media don't

The two are tied more closely than you think. Info on Jobs' health is necessary for Apple shareholders. Unlike just about every other company out there, Apple does not pay dividends. All that profit Apple makes? The shareholders see none of it. Zero. Zilch. The entirety of Apple's stock valuation is based on how much people think it'll go up or down in the future, not on how much profit they make. So Job's health is a huge factor in Apple's stock price. And I would argue that since Jobs himself made it this way, that the shareholders have a right to know the status of his health. When you buy Apple stock, you aren't buying a piece of the company. You're buying a piece of the brand, which derives most of its value from Jobs as a salesman.

TLDR: (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35237876)

Long story short, Satan has come to collect his part of the agreement.

Posted anon, cause apple fanbois gave up their sense of humor in exchange for shiny things.

Apple needs to stand on it's own feet (1)

nairnr (314138) | more than 3 years ago | (#35237884)

Any company that requires a specific individual to inspire confidence is, by default, in trouble. Few companies are in the position that Apple is in. How many CEO's could you name? Apple needs to get beyond the cult of leadership that currently surrounds them. I am sure that we still see similar product advances whether he is there as the pitchman or not.

Re:Apple needs to stand on it's own feet (2)

SWad (454879) | more than 3 years ago | (#35237992)

Yeah, the fact that investors are worried about one man's health instead of the actual product should tell you something.

Re:Apple needs to stand on it's own feet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35237994)

Plenty of companies are in this position. Scientology and Christianity immediately come to mind.

Re:Apple needs to stand on it's own feet (0)

Super Dave Osbourne (688888) | more than 3 years ago | (#35238054)

Although these are not companies but religions, I find your comment on the button and worthy of response. Start a new thread on this topic where you bash Jesus and LRon and lets have at it. The reality distortion field to my best guess is not even close to Fictional SCI-Fi made into religion or cross burning and Romans.

Re:Apple needs to stand on it's own feet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35238354)

Most churches are corporations, and Scientology is actually a tax-exempt non-profit corporation, not a church.

Re:Apple needs to stand on it's own feet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35238062)

Actually, when a CEO is famous enough to be known by name to the general public for reasons not stemming from Federal investigation, it usually demonstrates a level of connectedness between the consumer and the executives. This is usually a good thing. See: Apple Computers over the last decade (hint: they have been steadily doing better)

Re:Apple needs to stand on it's own feet (1)

Super Dave Osbourne (688888) | more than 3 years ago | (#35238168)

What "The Steve" has done is a legion of zealots and religion behind him. That is much like what you can say about Jesus and Buddha and others, but only in the modern day (which has a little weight, but not much). He is loved and hated, for the right and wrong reasons. He polarizes, which to me is not a unifying thing. Personally I don't see SJ any better or worse than the Bill, or the Balmer, or the XYZ exec that you too can name by first, last or nick. One that comes to mind is Monkey Boy, but why bother.

Re:Apple needs to stand on it's own feet (1)

justin12345 (846440) | more than 3 years ago | (#35238462)

I don't know, they have the second highest market cap of any company in the world, they must be doing something right.

Also I think I could name the CEO of most major tech companies. Jobs is definitely the most iconic, but there are plenty of other iconic people in the field.

If Jobs does pass or is forced to retire (and I hope he doesn't), it will be an interesting opportunity for Apple. Jobs runs the company with an iron fist. His style is "my way or the highway". On one hand he's been in the captain's seat when his company has done some really great things (NeXTStep, OSX), and on the other some really terrible things (iOS). The consistent thing is that everything Apple is locked down. That might change if Jobs is no longer at the wheel.

Stock (4, Insightful)

scubamage (727538) | more than 3 years ago | (#35237934)

Man, i may dump my savings into apple stock once it bottoms out after his death. There's going to be a massive unloading, we all know it.

Lets take stock of the situation (1)

TiggertheMad (556308) | more than 3 years ago | (#35238116)

Man, i may dump my savings into apple stock once it bottoms out after his death. There's going to be a massive unloading, we all know it.

Good point, some investors will dump stock the moment he dies. Buy then, and sell in the next year or two, when his actual influence filters out of the company and apple reverts to being just another mega-corp.

If you were really the gambling sort of vulture, you might even short some stock now and hope he is unhealthy as he looks.

A pic here (5, Informative)

A Friendly Troll (1017492) | more than 3 years ago | (#35237976)

http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/4d5c75d8cadcbbc41b160000/steve-jobs-sick.jpg [businessinsider.com]

There's also a sensationalist headline over here:

http://thenextweb.com/apple/2011/02/17/steve-jobs-may-have-just-six-weeks-to-live-receiving-treatment/ [thenextweb.com]

The Daily Mail spoke to Dr Jerome Spunberg, a certified Oncologist, who said: âoeMr Jobs is most likely getting outpatient chemotherapy at Stanford because the cancer has recurred.â

Another consultant, Dr. Gabe Mirkin, a physician with over fourty years experience, said: âoeHe is terminal. What you are seeing is extreme muscle wasting from calorie depravation, most likely caused by cancer. He has no muscle left in his buttocks, which is the last place to go. He definitely appears to be in the terminal stages of his life from these photos. I would be surprised if he weighed more than 130lb.â

The National Enquirer, who initially reported the news today (to be published tomorrow), talked to critical-care physician Dr. Samuel Jacobson, who said, âoeJudging from the photos, he is close to terminal. I would say he has six weeks.â That said, given the reliability of The National Enquirer, waiting for further news before jumping to conclusions is advised.

Weâ(TM)ve done a little digging into Dr. Samuel Jacobson. Jacobson appears to be a Florida based pulmonologist (breathing doctor) â" not Oncologist. Which would naturally make you wonder just how qualified he is to diagnose someone via a photo, especially outside of his speciality.

Re:A pic here (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35238140)

Are you sure his ass is wasting away in those pics and he's not just holding it wrong?

Re:A pic here (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35238252)

Is it me, or are Slashdot links about a day or two behind every other tech site out there? This used to be my defacto news source, but those days have long slipped by.

Re:A pic here (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35238266)

There's two physicians who need to be slapped by the medical board. Hard.

First, you don't discuss someones health status/information with *anyone* unless you have the patient's consent.
Second, even a 1st year med student knows that you never give a diagnosis unless you've actually examined the patient.

Why is the media following the National Enquirer? (2, Insightful)

hellfire (86129) | more than 3 years ago | (#35238048)

The National Enquirer talks about running photos of Steve, and the entire news media gets a hard on and starts running stories on this. Has the media degraded so far that we are now counting the National Enquirer as a reliable news source?

The only people who are escalating the health worries here are the media itself to push for circulation. It's not news, it's bullshit. Thanks for contributing to the bullshit, Timothy.

Re:Why is the media following the National Enquire (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35238106)

They scooped the John Edwards story.

Re:Why is the media following the National Enquire (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35238318)

They scooped a bowl of my nuts.

Re:Why is the media following the National Enquire (4, Informative)

corbettw (214229) | more than 3 years ago | (#35238278)

Don't forget that it was The National Enquirer who broke the story on the Edwards baby and affair. They've established some cred on investigative journalism over the last several years.

I'm not saying they're right here, I'm just saying it's foolish to discount them out of hand.

Re:Why is the media following the National Enquire (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#35238364)

You mean more stuff that was private and had no business on the news?

Oh noes he likes to nail broads! This was a problem for him and his wife, not the public at large.

Re:Why is the media following the National Enquire (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35238366)

Because the National Enquirer, if you haven't noticed, is one of the most fact checked news outlets out there nowadays, especially with regards to things involving celeberties and popular people. They are up for a pulitzer prize for their John Edwards piece, and have made numerous other scoops. They scooped the Limbaugh painkillers story, the "Dog" / ni**er story, some alledge that they mistook Jackson's drug addiction for an illness, so they called his death too within a month... they busted Tiger's Extramarital affair two months in advance...

These guys are good. If they have a sourced story on Steve Jobs saying he's dying of cancer, I'd bet around $300 that Jobs does die of it within 6 to 10 weeks.

Re:Why is the media following the National Enquire (1)

blair1q (305137) | more than 3 years ago | (#35238458)

The thing about those Enquirer photos is they're from 6 months ago.

Why this matters (5, Interesting)

Jim Hall (2985) | more than 3 years ago | (#35238132)

This item has only been up a few minutes, and already a lot of people are asking why this matters, why they should care. Here's why:

If you use a Mac, you should care about this.

Steve Jobs is unquestionably the driving force behind Apple. His return to Apple as the iCEO, followed by the introduction of new streamlined iMacs, the iPod, ... all demonstrated that Steve had returned to make Apple's mark on the industry. How many of the general population - not to mention us IT geeks - have an iPod? I look around my office and see high level executives using iPads. Steve made these a success. The same technology in a different package - maybe even the same package but a different salesman - wouldn't be as popular.

Pundits, fans, and teh haters all pay attention when Steve makes a new announcement of any new Apple product. That's the presence Steve brings to the game. He's like a tiny god. Love him or hate him, you can't deny he understands the market, and how to drive new products to get at that "I want it" mentality.

But unfortunately, Steve's success is a double-edged sword. He's the driving force behind Apple. He's also the driving force behind Apple. There was no succession planning here. His second in command isn't well known. He's not the face of Apple. I wonder who will follow him.

I wish Steve the best, and if he's able to return as CEO, I think that would be great. But if he doesn't ... look for Apple's stock to plummet. Even if the new guy has all kinds of bright ideas, I don't think he'll have the same presence as Steve, and won't be able to garner the same attention for the company. Apple has lots of new items in the pipeline, I'm sure, so the new guy's leadership won't truly be tested/visible for another 12 to 18 months. In that time, he needs to make his own mark, or Apple will quickly find itself on the sidelines trying to catch up to the rest of the market - rather than leading the market.

That's what has investors worried. And that is why you should care about this item.

Disclaimer: I am not an Apple fan, but I work in IT.

Re:Why this matters (0)

nomadic (141991) | more than 3 years ago | (#35238200)

I care in the general sense that he is a human being and I care about human suffering and hopes he gets better. But why would someone care because they're a Mac owner? That's why Apple fanboys are so freaking annoying, the idea that they have some personal stake in the success of the Mac. If something happened to Jobs, your Mac doesn't stop working.

Re:Why this matters (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 3 years ago | (#35238330)

IF they next CEO gives Jonathan Ive the freedom and respect Steve does, they may be fine.

But yeah, it's a real concern for shareholders.

Re:Why this matters (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35238334)

You're wrong. Apple will not make the same mistake they did the last time Jobs left.

Jobs has steered the boat in the proper direction, all they have to do is man the sails.

You think they don't have a replacement plan? They have known this was coming for more than half a decade.

Re:Why this matters (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35238412)

There was also an argument when Jobs took this latest leave that, although this would likely be for good, he had left a deep bench at Apple of executives schooled in the Jobs way of business and design. I have no doubt that this is true, but you have to also consider how much scrutiny his successor will be under at the next product line launch. Just think of how Ballmer has fared as the head of Microsoft after Gates left for good. Arguably Microsoft hasn't deviated all that much from when Gates was there, but I have gotten the sense that most in the business community see Microsoft as a leaderless ship heading off into oblivion.

It will take a charismatic, not to mention talented, leader to fill the void at Apple. I have a tough time imagining that something like the antenna fiasco of the iPhone 4 will go down the same way if there's a new, unknown person at the top defending the product.

The National Enquirer? (1)

deathtopaulw (1032050) | more than 3 years ago | (#35238150)

Need I say more?

Re:The National Enquirer? (1)

aardwolf64 (160070) | more than 3 years ago | (#35238372)

They've had their crazy stories, but the National Enquirer has broken several stories that the mainstream media figured out later... Just a few:
- Bristol Palin's pregnancy
- John Edwards' affair
- Jesse Jackson fathering a child out of wedlock
- The first anthrax attack
- Found the murderer of Ennis Cosby
- Lewinsky scandal
- Finding pictures of OJ Simpson wearing the shoes he denied owning in court
- Rush Limbaugh/Oxycontin scandal

Need I go on?

Re:The National Enquirer? (1)

mycroft822 (822167) | more than 3 years ago | (#35238420)

As much as I hate to say it, you shouldn't count them as completely unreliable. They were the first to uncover the John Edwards scandal [wikipedia.org] . IIRC, it took the major media outlets a few months to finally pick up on it.

Consider the Source (4, Insightful)

SavoWood (650474) | more than 3 years ago | (#35238166)

When the pictures come from The National Enquirer, you really need to consider the source. Also, the doctor making this prognosis was doing so based on the pictures. Didn't we all jump on the idiot in Congress a few years ago for diagnosing that woman in Florida using a short video clip?

Let's take this to a conspiracy level and say people are putting out this news to get the stock price to drop a bit so they can snap it up and wait for the retraction of the article and the stock goes back up, they make a pretty penny.

Re:Consider the Source (1)

MozeeToby (1163751) | more than 3 years ago | (#35238390)

If the pictures someone posted above are the ones the Enquirer are basing the article off of, he sure as hell doesn't look good. I certainly wouldn't say 6 weeks to terminal, even if I were an oncologist with expertise in the field. They aren't basing the speculation off the pictures, they're basing it off pictures from a couple months ago compared to pictures now. Suddenly dropping 40-50 lbs over the course of a few weeks wreaks havoc on your body just by itself, and that is what the pictures appear to show. Without the comparison pictures he could just be a very frail older man, but if you compare them to what Jobs looked like a few months ago... well, let's just say that I wish him the best of luck, because at a minimum it appears he's having a very rough time.

Re:Consider the Source (1)

whisper_jeff (680366) | more than 3 years ago | (#35238506)

Or they're shorting the stock right now, making lots of money as we speak. With this sort of stock manipulation, you can make money coming and going if you play it right and the people who manipulate stocks this blatantly most certainly know how to play it right.

The doctor isn't even an oncologist (1)

hellfire (86129) | more than 3 years ago | (#35238402)

I wish I could find a source for where I read this, but the doctor looking at the pictures isn't even an oncologist, he's in sports medicine! There's the NE for you.

Poor Apple Stockholders! Waa. Waa. Waa. (1)

mschaffer (97223) | more than 3 years ago | (#35238170)

Poor Apple Stockholders. Steve Jobs is sick and all they worry about is pictures of their control-freak "sell the sizzle" CEO not looking well in the National Enquirer when he has pancreatic cancer. Unfortunately, this is the kind of thing that happens when you have a celebrity CEO.

Personally, I am surprised this hasn't happened until now. I guess they don't have Michael Jackson to write about anymore and have to branch out.

pics (1)

nomadic (141991) | more than 3 years ago | (#35238174)

"Supposedly the National Enquirer is set to run pictures of Jobs with him looking frail and gaunt." Uhhh, TFA has pictures of him looking frail and gaunt. Look at the October 2010 pic on the TFA, he looks terrible. I wish him luck, though at this point I hope he realizes there are more important things to deal with than work and takes a long break.

How is this possible (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35238212)

The guy is skinny as hell. According to Wikipedia, people with extremely low BMI are healthier, and less adverse to death.
Seriously something is wrong with the message I am getting from all the experts in the media, if this guy is dieing. Take for example that movie about that skinny guy with the weird hair who happens to be a vampire can stop cars with his hand because he is skinny, looks good (supposedly) and is a vampire.

People with six pack abs, and their rib cages showing can do a myriad of things fat people can not do (like flips through the air).

I demand that we conduct a study to find out how it is possible that:

1) the guy is skinny,
2) the guy is still dieing.

The guys should not be in the hospital. He should be on a run way someplace.

Also why is it that the guy lives in the Unites States. According to all the European experts I consult on U-Tube, all the skinny people are in Europe, and there are in fact no skinny people in the USA.

Rumored: Steve Jobs has HIV. (No, not trolling.) (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35238248)

Just for those who don't know (which apparently is most of you, since I've never seen it mentioned): There are two pictures of health documents on WikiLeaks indicating Steve Jobs has HIV. One is a sheet which has a box checked by Steve essentially saying "yes, I have HIV", and I believe the other is test results, indicating a positive result for HIV.
Could it be fake? Sure. One of the documents is signed "Steven Paul Jobs", in a very generic hand. A Google Image search for "steve jobs signature" returns images that don't quite match, but are similar. It could also be legitimate--Steve Jobs has done some sleeping around.

Pixar (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35238362)

We should all thank Steve for putting Pixar on the road to greatness, even though he didn't start it.

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