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Apple To Unveil Light Peak, New MacBook Pros This Week?

CmdrTaco posted more than 3 years ago | from the because-they-can dept.

Intel 311

An anonymous reader writes "Apple will reportedly soon make an announcement regarding a new high-speed connection technology. And as luck would have it, this comes hot on the heels of a report that Apple will release a slew of new MacBook Pros later this week. For some time now, reports have abounded detailing Apple and Intel's cooperation on a new transfer technology dubbed Light Peak capable of transferring data at 10GB/s both up and down. Could this find its way into Apple's new lineup of MacBook Pros as has been previously rumored?"

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The hell (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35268296)

Hey internet! Something is really screwed up here. I ordered a new power supply online a few days ago.. and the store sent me two tracking numbers. “Weird” I thought, but I assumed they just somehow referred to the same thing. After checking the tracker they have taken different routes.

Double checked to make sure I didn’t order two of them or something my credit card was charged the right amount, and this is a fairly large company so I can’t imagine them screwing up and sending me someone elses order.

I feel I should call them, but I don’t really do that.

This is gonna get very, very interesting :(

Re:The hell (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35268644)

No worries, once it arrives the wavefunction will collapse and you will end up with one copy of your item. It will just have traveled along both paths at once.

What's the use (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35268342)

What's the use of this high speed link, especially on a laptop, when disk speed would be the limiting factor?

Re:What's the use (2)

Renderer of Evil (604742) | more than 3 years ago | (#35268498)

MacBook Air comes with Flash storage. Apple has said it themselves they are moving in that direction where SSDs would become the norm.

Re:What's the use (3, Interesting)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 3 years ago | (#35268514)

Presumably you can plug it into something much faster. When I was video editing on my old G4 PowerBook, I plugged in a couple of 7200RPM drives on a FireWire 800 chain. This was much faster than the local disk - I used one for scratch renders and one for the project. The external disks could each handle about 30MB/s, back when my internal drive couldn't hit 10MB/s, and FW800 was fast enough for both disks to be running that the same time.

These days, you could easily plug in some external SSDs, and hit an order of magnitude or so higher transfer rate. I'd also be quite surprised if Apple introduced new MacBook Pros without making internal SSDs standard across the entire line (as they did with the MacBook Air already), in which case the internal disk is much less likely to be a bottleneck for anything.

Re:What's the use (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35269152)

I just hope apple continues to offer a traditional hard drive solution. I don't care about speed, but rather disk space. Aside from the Mac Pro and the high end iMac, I can't even buy a new Mac that can handle my iTunes collection. I'd need 2 512GB SSDs in raid 0 to handle it now.

Re:What's the use (4, Informative)

chaim79 (898507) | more than 3 years ago | (#35268530)

Light Peak isn't really a port standard like USB or Firewire, it's a consolidator. You can run USB over Light Peak, same with Firewire, HDMI, Audio, Networking, etc. The goal with Light Peak is to connect two cords to your laptop (power and Light Peak) and have everything connected to the other end of Light Peak (Monitor, USB keyboard/mouse, Firewire drive, Ethernet, etc), making it much less cluttered around your laptop and enabling you to pick it up and go fairly quickly. This really shows off in smaller devices, take a Netbook or a Tablet, instead of needing all that space and hardware for USB, and the like you can simply route it over Light Peak and have one connector take care of it all.

Since this is an Intel standard (albeit sponsored and pushed by Apple) it doesn't come with the restrictions that Apple would have placed on it if it were their own standard. This should be fairly open and available. I bet within a year, two at most, nearly all laptops will have this port, and there will be expansion cards available for PC's to add the port. That is, unless it's a total flop, which is possible.

Re:What's the use (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35268594)

The goal with Light Peak is to connect two cords to your laptop (power and Light Peak)

Maybe not even that - they'll possibly have power & light peak in one cable: http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/02/20/apple_to_announce_new_high_speed_connector_for_macs_report_claims.html [appleinsider.com]

yeah but... (1)

Thud457 (234763) | more than 3 years ago | (#35268678)

is it going to support my Atari SIO bus gear?!

Re:What's the use (2)

Junta (36770) | more than 3 years ago | (#35268760)

But you can run audio, video, ethernet, and USB over displayport and displayport has 20 Gb/s.

I don't understand why do a new tech when a standard already exists with twice the bandwidth and an eye for encapsulating other common needs.

Re:What's the use (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35268850)

Cable length

Re:What's the use (2)

Crudely_Indecent (739699) | more than 3 years ago | (#35268620)

Sometimes data isn't intended to be written to a disk.

Do you save-to-disk every YouTube video you watch?

Re:What's the use (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35268624)

Do you save-to-disk every YouTube video you watch?

Only the ones featuring Justin Bieber.

Re:What's the use (0)

commodore6502 (1981532) | more than 3 years ago | (#35268696)

>>>Do you save-to-disk every YouTube video you watch?

Yes.
It's called buffering.
Else I'd not be able to watch youtube on Dialup or cellphone.

Re:What's the use (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35268748)

You buffer to disk? What, do you have 32MB of RAM to go with that dialup connection? By the way, how's life in 1997?

Re:What's the use (1)

LordLimecat (1103839) | more than 3 years ago | (#35268960)

Buffering can happen to RAM.

Re:What's the use (2)

commodore6502 (1981532) | more than 3 years ago | (#35268640)

>>>What's the use of this high speed

Uncompressed video which requires ~3 Gbit/s to stream 60fps 1080p.

Re:What's the use (4, Interesting)

v1 (525388) | more than 3 years ago | (#35268800)

As some others are pointing out, this is not about moving data to/from the internal hard drive. It's about accessing data quickly, and consolidating connectors.

I just got a new display for my laptop so I have a bigger screen when I'm at home. When I get home, I plug in:
- power
- left usb
- ext speakers
- dvi
- right usb
- ethernet
- firewire

That's a LOT of stuff to mess with every time I dock/undock. I'd LOVE it if they'd change the magsafe so the center (data) pin was a full duplex optical connector that could make one thin cable break out ALL of that stuff I have to plug in one at a time now. It may not cover all of those angles, but I'm hoping it does. It's possible.

Also there's a connector wear issue. full size DVI cables aren't the best thing to have to be constantly plugging/unplugging. Ethernet cables break their clips. USB starts to go in upside-down. Ext speakers fit nicely in the mic port. And none of them is really built for a very high number of operations like the magport is.

As for speed, imagine much faster access to external storage - a nice RAID5 hooked to your laptop via lightpeak, for editing video, where the speed limitation is your cpu, your ram amount/speed, and your storage. Laptops as you point out have speed issues with internal storage, between 5400-7200 usually, so external storage is a better choice. Natively best you can do is firewire800, 79mb/sec. (the other faster option is getting an esata expresscard, I have one, they can be 150mb/sec+) But imagine 250mb/sec+ lightpeak access speeds for video editing, no card required. *drool*

Re:What's the use (1)

Malc (1751) | more than 3 years ago | (#35269260)

Might as well throw in USB 3.0 as well.

The one thing I like about my Dell laptop at work compared with my MacBook at home is that PC manufacturers make docks. I don't have to unplug/insert a bunch of cables every time I want to move.

Well if Apple would make real docks (1)

Shivetya (243324) | more than 3 years ago | (#35269274)

Those of us who have/had Apple laptops would not have to do the cord dance all the time. The one thing I love about my work laptop (its a Dell) is that I have a dock for it. So when I need an external keyboard/mouse, large monitor, speakers, and whatnot, I just put the laptop on the dock. No messy cabling required because I did it once.

I really think Apple's lack of dock features is purely aesthetic, as in they don't want to sully their cases with a dock connector. For no other reason can I understand this lack of functionality, which btw is one one of most common reasons I keep getting told I could not have an Apple desktop at work. The second of course being cost structure involved as I would still need a license to run Windows for some business apps.

So what if there is one cable, now I will have a daisy chain of accessories? Will I have to hope all these makers put the connectors on the side I need them on, or provide them on both? Will I need a powered hub if I use too many connectors?

It does remind me of CAN-BUS setups now popular in the automotive world

Yet another Apple "standard" (-1)

sunderland56 (621843) | more than 3 years ago | (#35268354)

Just what the world needs - yet another "standard" used by Apple and nobody else.

Re:Yet another Apple "standard" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35268364)

Like what else?

Re:Yet another Apple "standard" (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35268404)

Like USB. Remember when everyone laughed at them for being the first to put it on their computers? Ha, the fools.

Re:Yet another Apple "standard" (4, Funny)

Enry (630) | more than 3 years ago | (#35268464)

You misspelled Firewire

Re:Yet another Apple "standard" (3, Interesting)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 3 years ago | (#35268710)

To be fair, Apple wasn't the first to use USB. They were the first to drop their legacy ports like ADC, printer, etc. for only two kinds of ports. USB for low bandwidth like keyboard and mice and FireWire for high bandwidth like portable HDs and digital video cameras. To this day, some PC MBs still come with connectors that are rarely used.

Re:Yet another Apple "standard" (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 3 years ago | (#35268848)

"To this day, some PC MBs still come with connectors that are rarely used."

by HOME USERS.

Professionally I use a rs232 port daily... some days I use it hourly. In most professional uses of a PC those "legacy" ports are highly used.

Re:Yet another Apple "standard" (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 3 years ago | (#35269144)

The vast majority of MBs are designed and sold to consumers so, yes, I would venture that they are hardly used. On a server, you may have to use legacy ports but most consumers don't need them. So if you're Gigabyte and you make MBs for consumers, why do you need to still offer a serial port? For a professional or server board, it would come in handy like Apple's XServe had a RS-232 port presumably for that reason.

Re:Yet another Apple "standard" (1)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 3 years ago | (#35269174)

Let's be fair though, you can get USB bridges for most of those legacy ports. It's not like the tech is abandoned entirely.

Other than RS232, who's using IEEE1284? Who's using PS/2 Mouse/keyboard connectors?

Re:Yet another Apple "standard" (2)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 3 years ago | (#35268840)

Apple wasn't the first to put USB on computers.

Apple was the first to give users NO OTHER OPTION.

Re:Yet another Apple "standard" (1)

rubycodez (864176) | more than 3 years ago | (#35268626)

yeah, remember when they had that weird screwy SCSI disk while IBM PC Compatibles had MFM and RLL drives? man, those weirdos....

Re:Yet another Apple "standard" (1)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 3 years ago | (#35268860)

...and the whole "everything must be USB" shenanigan that Apple fanboys like to brag about so much was a big "screw you" to every existing Mac user that dared to be legacy Apple customers.

Re:Yet another Apple "standard" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35268438)

LightPeak would be an Intel technology. Rather like that oh-so-proprietary USB. Apple would merely be the first major customer. Rather like that USB thing again. Yes I know others put USB ports on systems before the iMac, but it was irrelevant until someone with market muscle axed the legacy ports in favor of USB.

Re:Yet another Apple "standard" (0, Troll)

Clockwurk (577966) | more than 3 years ago | (#35268902)

Bullshit from somebody who doesn't remember correctly.

The main push for USB adoption came with the release of Windows 98, released in May of 1998.

The iMac was released in August of 1998 and although it was one of the best selling Macs of all time, it is largely insignificant compared to the hundreds of millions of Windows machines sold at the same time.

Re:Yet another Apple "standard" (3, Informative)

peragrin (659227) | more than 3 years ago | (#35269014)

USB wasn't a standard option at the time of windows 98. Indeed it wasn't until winXP that you could use a USB keyboard easily, as the built in BIOS wouldn't use USB keyboards for setup.

Apple doesn't pioneer a lot of things. apple is usually the first to bring them to the mass market intelligently.

Also USB support in windows 98 sucked. you needed to install drivers for everything but mice and keyboards.

Re:Yet another Apple "standard" (2)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 3 years ago | (#35269244)

I remember it differently from you. Yes, Win98 had USB but I hardly remember a push from MS for everyone to use it. It was going to be adopted as the next standard but no one was in a rush to adopt it. From my perspective everyone had written Apple off as dead in 1998. When they released their iMac, then some opinions began to change. Since Apple dropped their legacy ports, the only way to connect was with USB or FireWire. If you were going to make peripherals for Mac or for Mac and PC, you had to start adopting USB. Of course some companies would not adopt it for years but to simplify the manufacturing and offer customers the most options, USB was the way to go.

Re:Yet another Apple "standard" (2)

Apple Acolyte (517892) | more than 3 years ago | (#35268544)

Hey, I enjoy a good Apple troll now and then, but Light Peak (not Light Speed, Light Peak) appears to be the future and the successor to USB. USB 3 isn't exactly taking off, with even Intel eschewing it in its chipsets. Light Peak is billed as a replacement for many connection standards such as "SCSI, SATA, USB, FireWire, PCI Express and HDMI" Light Peak is Intel's new baby, and as with many computing technology advancements Apple likes to be ahead of the pack (especially when it comes to bus connections). will be backward compatible (even appearing to use the same physical connector as USB) and adaptable in a way that will allow it to replace a number of different connection types. It will be adopted by the other motherboard producers because, well, it seems like there's no competition against it as the future bus technology. Now were you trolling just to troll, or are you really so ignorant about the emerging technology that you'd post a comment like that in seriousness? If your comment wasn't meant in jest, why not get yourself some free education [wikipedia.org] on the subject.

Re:Yet another Apple "standard" (4, Insightful)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 3 years ago | (#35268660)

The pro/cons aside, Light Peak is an Intel invention. Secondly, from what I read this is an interconnect on the board level. From the consumer's perspective they will still use their USB, SATA cables or whatever. The MB manufacturers are the ones affected.

Pray for Steve (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35268376)

All this hubub is to pay for Steve's new pancreas so he lives to see the next release of the iPod which will be colored fauve with matching earbuds!

Where does Light Peak fit? (2, Interesting)

jacks smirking reven (909048) | more than 3 years ago | (#35268390)

From what I've read it's not fast enough to replace HDMI/Displayport and not as cheap to integrate as USB 3.0 (will Apple retain a royalty on the connector ala Firewire?) I do understand the need to have a universal, optical interconnect but I'm not so sure i want Apple being the one pushing it...

Re:Where does Light Peak fit? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35268408)

No they won't get royalties. It's Intel's baby, not theirs.

Re:Where does Light Peak fit? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35268470)

Who cares who pushes it, so long as it's useful and widely adopted?

Re:Where does Light Peak fit? (5, Insightful)

JesseDegenerate (936699) | more than 3 years ago | (#35268516)

First, it's intel's tech, not apples. Second, apple's pushed alot of good tech forward, maybe it's just that i'm not a bigot, but who cares who's pushing it? Would you rather sony push it and rename it ilink2? I'm sure you wouldn't have a problem with Google pushing it? which makes your post, infuriating to me. Any company that brings it, even in a proprietary form will spur on innovation. I didn't hear anything about DLNA until Apple started pushing airplay. The rise of android can be easily traced to apple's iphone, and a very worried verizon wireless. it's good for us all, ffs.

Re:Where does Light Peak fit? (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35268556)

I didn't hear anything about DLNA until Apple started pushing airplay.

wat. Win7 supported DLNA out of the box. So do various Motorola and Samsung Android phones.

Re:Where does Light Peak fit? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35268816)

uPnP itself isn't all that new, and DLNA is just a re-branding of the same.

Re:Where does Light Peak fit? (1)

Nursie (632944) | more than 3 years ago | (#35268968)

When was that?

'cos the rest of us got interested back when the ps3 was released and used it for media streaming.

Re:Where does Light Peak fit? (1)

Orestesx (629343) | more than 3 years ago | (#35268558)

I was going to attempt to refute your comment about bandwidth, but it appears that you are right and the summary/article are wrong. The summary says GB or gigabyte, but it looks like it's actually 10 Gigabit, scaling to 100 Gigabit by 2020. Note to anonymous submitter and editableapple.com: bandwidth is measured in bits.

Re:Where does Light Peak fit? (2)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 3 years ago | (#35268588)

No royalties to Apple - it's Intel's.

As far as royalties on the firewire connector, it's $0.25 per device (regardless of ports) and the money is split between several companies, including Apple. I suppose Intel and Apple could do something similar here, but given the way Apple took mini-Displayport (it's royalty free), I think they learned their lesson on port royalties. No idea what Intel will do though.

Re:Where does Light Peak fit? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35268762)

Apple Hater. Plain and simple. This attitude of some of you is getting old.

Re:Where does Light Peak fit? (2)

rsmith-mac (639075) | more than 3 years ago | (#35269256)

I do understand the need to have a universal, optical interconnect

Just keep in mind that the first generation of Light Peak isn't optical, it's copper [computerworld.com] .

Editors: please fix the title (3, Funny)

necro81 (917438) | more than 3 years ago | (#35268436)

The new connection tech is called Light Peak. The summary has it right; the title has it wrong.

Re:Editors: please fix the title (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 3 years ago | (#35268548)

Actually, the headline is correct. Apple is going to unveil a new light speed this week. It turns out that the reality distortion field allows light to travel up to 100 times faster. There will also be an announcement of a partnership with Virgin Galactic.

Re:Editors: please fix the title (1)

rubycodez (864176) | more than 3 years ago | (#35268750)

that's good they're upping the light speed, I'm tired of flipping the switch in the bathroom and having time to squat down on the john before the light from my old CFL bulbs illuminates the room.

Re:Editors: please fix the title (1)

Merk42 (1906718) | more than 3 years ago | (#35269136)

But scientists don't increase the speed of light until 2208

Re:Editors: please fix the title (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35268572)

Do you ever feel like the editors are typing the equivalent of "FRist post!!!!" ?

Not a very high quality article. (4, Insightful)

Andy Dodd (701) | more than 3 years ago | (#35268452)

The article makes claims that Intel "Is delaying" USB 3.0 "until 2010" to help Light Peak get off the ground.

Problem 1: It's 2011. You can't be "delaying something until 2010" in 2011...
Problem 2: USB 3.0 is deployed already. So they clearly can't be delaying it.

Re:Not a very high quality article. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35268504)

"Problem 1: It's 2011. You can't be "delaying something until 2010" in 2011..."

It's a Y10K issue, maybe they're delaying until 12010?

"Problem 2: USB 3.0 is deployed already. So they clearly can't be delaying it."

Your and your linear time perceptions, what kind of conspiracy theorist are you?

Re:Not a very high quality article. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35268628)

Problem 2: USB 3.0 is deployed already. So they clearly can't be delaying it.

Intel has yet to release a USB 3.0 chipset themselves - other companies have released them, which is why there are products on the market, but Intel hasn't. That's why you see it on such few computers at this point - it isn't incredibly high end, but Intel is withholding because they want to give LightPeak a fighting chance. (At least that's the theory) Once Intel comes out with a USB 3.0 chipset, it will be much more prevalent.

Re:Not a very high quality article. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35268636)

Intel hasn't released a USB3 chipset and doesn't provide enough bandwidth on the Core i5 bus to support both USB3 and PCIe3 at once.

Re:Not a very high quality article. (1)

Sky Cry (872584) | more than 3 years ago | (#35268974)

Appears to be already fixed in the article: "some have speculated that Intel is delaying support for USB 3.0 until 2012".

On their own motherboards no less (2)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 3 years ago | (#35269246)

Before the Sandy Bridge bug forced a recall, Intel SB boards shipped with USB 3 ports on them.

Now what they may be talking about is that USB 3 isn't part of the current Intel chipsets, you have to add a chip on the board to get it. Ok well that is a different issue, and has nothing to do with trying to hold it back and everything to do with design and implementation time.

Please remember USB is Intel's spec. If they wanted to "hold USB 3 back" or something they could just not release it. They just aren't integrating it in to their chipsets yet, it'll be integrated in future chipsets.

Same deal with Light Peak I imagine. It isn't in the current P67 chipsets so it'll have to be an addon chip. I'm sure it'll get integrated in to the chipsets later.

Dupe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35268460)

Wasn't this same exact story (even including pending laptops) posted around a month ago?

just what we need $30+ adapters and powered hubs (1)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 3 years ago | (#35268472)

just what we need $30+ adapters and maybe powered hubs. One cable for E-net, Video, sound, and mouse / keyboard? so you need a hub or
daisy chaining.

also HOW will light-peak tie in to ATI and NVIDIA video? On a desktop will we see a voodoo 2 like loop back cable?

apple better keep the E-NET ports as lightpeak to E-NET cables are point less and just have much higher costs.

keyboard and mouse will stay USB as they don't need high speed cables.

Re:just what we need $30+ adapters and powered hub (1)

Voyager529 (1363959) | more than 3 years ago | (#35268618)

From what I understand (i.e. what i read the last time this technology was discussed on Slashdot), what makes Lightpeak so interesting is that you can run basically anything else over it. I'm running mad looking for an HDMI-to-RCA downscaler - my laptop has HDMI and DVI outputs, but my church's $12,000 switching/scaling system only does composite. Since replacing literally every piece of gear in the chain would be required to plug in an HDMI natively and the church isn't looking to spend around $100,000 for HDMI/SDI cameras, projectors, switchers, mixers, scalers, and cable runs at the moment, it makes more sense to scale down the laptop instead. From what I understand about Lightpeak, it'd be possible to use one of these $30 adapters to turn a Lightpeak connector into an RCA output instead of having to use a $700 downscaler. Yeah, i can def dig that.

While Apple may go lightpeak-or-bust, the PC side hasn't completely ditched everything else for USB - I still have firewire, HDMI, DVI, and Ethernet. Other laptops in my immediate vicinity have VGA and Expresscard available as well.

Nope... (2)

Junta (36770) | more than 3 years ago | (#35268728)

The idea is to encapsulate a number of digital protocols (nothing unique to Light Peak, Displayport in theory supports ethernet and usb packets in addition to audio and video data, for example.

You will need something to convert it to analog, and that will remain a niche market with high prices as a result. You won't get a magical RCA out from this.

I also doubt you can't replace the display portion of your churches setup with something that would accept both displayport *and* RCA in (not requiring replacing cameras and other equipment). I also don't know why *your* current laptop must be the technology everything else revolves around in this configuration

Re:just what we need $30+ adapters and powered hub (1)

MoonBuggy (611105) | more than 3 years ago | (#35268916)

I'm running mad looking for an HDMI-to-RCA downscaler - my laptop has HDMI and DVI outputs, but my church's $12,000 switching/scaling system only does composite.

If your laptop has DVI-I rather than DVI-D (and I've never seen one with only DVI-D), it's already capable of outputting analog component RGB, but not composite. If your input equipment only takes composite, converters go for about $100 [hdtvsupply.com] .

Re:just what we need $30+ adapters and powered hub (1)

MoonBuggy (611105) | more than 3 years ago | (#35269002)

I'm an idiot - converters I linked work in the wrong direction. What you need is $150 from the same site [hdtvsupply.com] or $50 from eBay [ebay.com] (the two devices look identical, except for the price - whether they are or not it anybody's guess).

Re:just what we need $30+ adapters and powered hub (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35268990)

"but my church's $12,000 switching/scaling system only does composite."

No your church has a old outdated switching scaling system that at one time cost $12,000 but can now be bought for $650 on ebay used. It is not worth $12,000. they drop their value like a rock.

Honestly, Why do churches try to get into multimedia and then fail to budget for it? The system they paid $300,000 for in 2001 is garbage now. AV systems need to be replaced or upgraded every 5 years. Your fault for buying a laptop without VGA out.
Buy an extron USP507 scaler and call it done. It would have been far cheaper if you would have researched laptops before buying one that was incompatible with what you were going to do.

and what you understand about lightpeak is wrong. it cant magically transform digital video into analog video.

Re:just what we need $30+ adapters and powered hub (1)

maxume (22995) | more than 3 years ago | (#35269040)

The HDFury 2, mentioned in a recent Slashdot story, may solve your problem (it outputs on component and can downscale, you would have to convert the component output to composite).

Re:just what we need $30+ adapters and powered hub (1)

vux984 (928602) | more than 3 years ago | (#35269054)

I'm running mad looking for an HDMI-to-RCA downscaler

http://www.svideo.com/hdmi2svideo.html [svideo.com]

Re:just what we need $30+ adapters and powered hub (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35269248)

You want DisplayPort.
Can output component, drive LCD directly (internally in laptops) and output HDMI, DVI, VGA, etc.

Re:just what we need $30+ adapters and powered hub (1)

jimicus (737525) | more than 3 years ago | (#35268632)

If it's a choice between:

  - A £20 adaptor on your desk and the cheapest laptop we could find OR
  - A £150 docking station and an expensive laptop that supports docking stations

Guess what you'll be getting.

Re:just what we need $30+ adapters and powered hub (1)

LordLimecat (1103839) | more than 3 years ago | (#35269016)

Theres a third choice-- USB 2.0 docking stations.

Have fun getting them to not flip out every 2 weeks and break your scanner, video, etc, though.

Re:just what we need $30+ adapters and powered hub (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35268676)

I believe they are trying to say, "this cable connects to what you used to call your "docking station" or "port replicator". Instead of conveniently popping the notebook onto the port replicator / dock, you will connect this Light Peak cable and a power cable. Then the actual "port replicator" will be a "hub" that allows you to connect video, USB, etc. The only benefit would be that you wouldn't need proprietary port replicators (for example if you have a Lenovo X201 like I do, and you go to a desk that has a T410 port replicator you can't use it today). The downside would probably be two cables to plug in and disconnect instead of a simple undock lever.

Re:just what we need $30+ adapters and powered hub (1)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 3 years ago | (#35268856)

Apple won't be dropping ethernet just because light peak can also carry ethernet data. They didn't drop it when they introduced firewire (which also does IP networking if you want it to), did they?

This (and this is a rumour article, and in no way constitutes a press release from Apple, but assuming that light peak on MPBs is what will happen) is just the new high speed external I/O. USB keyboards will still be USB, Bluetooth keyboards will still be Bluetooth, ethernet cables will still be RJ-45.

It could make a great port replicator though - one cord attaches to the MBP, with all your other cables (usb, ethernet, FW, etc) hooked up to a port replicator already on your desk. Obviously optional.

Mind your B's (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35268542)

10G[B]/s or 10G[b]/s? Wikipedia says 10Gb/s.

Re:Mind your B's (1)

Nethemas the Great (909900) | more than 3 years ago | (#35268608)

But does that mean gibibits or gigabits?

Re:Mind your B's (1)

jandrese (485) | more than 3 years ago | (#35268756)

Since it is a communication tech, almost certainly 10Gb/s. 10GB/s would be right at the edge of what a full power modern PC can keep up with (assuming you're not doing anything with the data). Dedicated bit blasters like video cards can run faster but even super high resolution 3D displays though (WQXGA at 120hz with 32bit color would be pushing 15Gb/s. The point is, nothing on the consumer level is even close to 80Gb/s (10GB/s), so it would be gross overkill and very expensive on modern machines.

To one-up Apple... (2)

dclozier (1002772) | more than 3 years ago | (#35268590)

Microsoft has announced Ludicrous Speed!

Re:To one-up Apple... (1)

Crudely_Indecent (739699) | more than 3 years ago | (#35268634)

They've gone to plaid!

Re:To one-up Apple... (1)

JamesP (688957) | more than 3 years ago | (#35269020)

Yes, Microsoft took Light Speed and increased the speed of it!

Unfortunately, data went to the past, instead of going to the other connector.

Cadet Stimpy! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35269088)

Engage Manual Override!

Re:To one-up Apple... (1)

Kamel Jockey (409856) | more than 3 years ago | (#35269172)

Stop this thing! I order you! STOP!!!!

Sure why not (1)

Nethemas the Great (909900) | more than 3 years ago | (#35268592)

It can go right along side the PC Express card slot and other worthless port technologies pock marking notebooks.

Apple have officially lost me... (-1, Troll)

darien.train (1752510) | more than 3 years ago | (#35268616)

So Intel is delaying USB 3.0 support so that Apple fanbois can transfer Apple DRM media to their mobile devices faster? Does anyone else see this as part of a move to cut the PC out of the Apple device loop? That what it looks like to me...and good riddance. I'd rather have a fucking Zune.

Can somebody help me figure out what business Apple is even in anymore? It's like they're now half a console producer (think XBOX live for apps and media) and half a tech-hipster "me get shiny thing first" club with personal and professional computing peeking out of a smaller and smaller hole.

Case in point- I also know quite a few video editors loyal to Final Cut that are now looking to move to Adobe Premiere (because it costs a third to operate over FC at this point - this includes the video department company where I work).

That's another alienated group of classic Apple users who are moving away from the platform.

Re:Apple have officially lost me... (1, Informative)

geek (5680) | more than 3 years ago | (#35268654)

How is intel delaying 3.0 when it's already out on pretty much every new motherboard out there? Get your facts straight you friggin drama queen

Re:Apple have officially lost me... (1)

darien.train (1752510) | more than 3 years ago | (#35269276)

The quote about Intel delaying is in TFA but it didn't make sense as it also said the delay was in 2010.

I also accidentally submitted this both before I was done writing it and to the wrong thread so I deserve the troll rating.

Sorry!

Re:Apple have officially lost me... (2)

aardwolf64 (160070) | more than 3 years ago | (#35268794)

Intel is doing something I don't like... Let's all boycott Apple!!!!!

Are you going to boycott Intel chips too? That's a lot harder than you think...

Re:Apple have officially lost me... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35268958)

Did you stroke your greasy beard while typing that pointless screed?

What is your argument exactly? What the hell is "classic Apple users"? What does FinalCut have anything to do with this?

So many questions.

Cause and effect... (1)

itsdapead (734413) | more than 3 years ago | (#35269220)

Case in point- I also know quite a few video editors loyal to Final Cut that are now looking to move to Adobe Premiere

Its pretty clear that Apple are gradually shifting from the Pro Video/Graphics market and positioning Mac as a "pro-sumer" brand. What's not so clear is whether that is causing graphics pros to abandon the platform, or if the change was motivated by the fact that pros were already abandoning the platform.

Apple got established in the pro graphics/DTP/video market partly because, back in the day, their hardware/software platform ran rings around MS-DOS/Intel systems. Today they don't have such a clear-cut advantage - the hardware is basically the same and, without getting into OS advocacy, Windows is no longer just a pretty shell sitting on top of DOS. Most of the killer pro applications are available on PC, or even PC only, or with Mac versions lagging behind PC releases and sometimes just plain shoddy. Its really going to be a war of attrition from now on, so Apple is right to look for an exit strategy.

...and that exit strategy is based on their success with "boutique" ultra-thin laptop and small form-factor computers for the home and "prosumer" market plus iPod/Pad/Phone for consumers.

One thing that would play well there is a "one connector to rule them all" solution: look at the design of the current MacBook Pros and see how the size and position of the circuit board is constrained by the need to have 8 connectors. As more and more functionality becomes available on just a CPU, the need for optical drives decreases and hard drives are replaced by more compact SSDs, only having to worry about routing one connector to the outside world (maybe even embedded in the power connector/a) would make for even more slim and sexy MacBooks. [macrumors.com]

Re:Apple have officially lost me... (1)

capsteve (4595) | more than 3 years ago | (#35269254)

what does intel delaying their release of USB have anything to do with video production?

because it[Premiere] costs a third to operate over FC at this point - this includes the video department company where I work).

That's another alienated group of classic Apple users who are moving away from the platform.

really?

i believe the cost of video production that a post-house would be worried about is the actual production time, i.e. rendering of the final video and time that an artist/production personnel aren't billing, not the cost of the software that functions as the A-B decks. let's also not forget the cost of the SANs necessary to store the digital (HD) assets in both pre and post rendered form, which cost a butt-load. so saving a few dollars on software and hardware, while important, is trivial compared to other costs related to video production.

Awesome, magical experience, magnificent x20 (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35268630)

Suppose Apple will naturally call it magical and magnificent technology. Filled with magic pixie dust. They will say it twenty times to emphasize the magical nature of this so that people will once again behave like brainless sheep and buy everything from Apple.

Obsession (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35268784)

Do you people cum every time Apple spits? You are sick!

Apple totally sucks. (-1, Redundant)

bennomatic (691188) | more than 3 years ago | (#35268814)

They don't make anything that hundreds of companies can't imitate. You call that innovation? How is it innovation if everyone else is doing it, in most cases cheaper, within a year or two after they release it?

Re:Apple totally sucks. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35268894)

"everyone else is doing it... within a year or two after they release it?"

You answered your own question.

Re:Apple totally sucks. (-1, Troll)

ddd0004 (1984672) | more than 3 years ago | (#35268970)

That's not why they suck. They suck because they charge over $500 to wrap mid-level hardware in a shiny unique package. They suck because they try to stifle development efforts that are not theirs or that deliver a competing service to theirs. They suck because they are a marketing and design driven technology company and not a engineering driven technology company. The old adage "Form follows function" doesn't apply at Apple. It's "function follows form, marketing and authoritarian control" for them. Luckily, their customer is doesn't care he or she just wants a kick-ass shiny toy he can show off.

But why? (1)

Adam Appel (1991764) | more than 3 years ago | (#35268858)

So, I use Apple's at home and work. I do all sorts of photo and design work and some lightweight video. I am not even a regular Joe and I don't know what I would do differently with this port. I love the idea of how Firewire800 works and it works better transferring big files then USB 2, subjectively at least. We already have HDMI/DVI/DISPLAY ports, so where to implement this? I head about FireWire so long ago and they are just becoming available all over. Now we need a new highspeed port? This maybe putting the cart before the horse.

How about QUAD-CORE i7? (0)

l0ungeb0y (442022) | more than 3 years ago | (#35269202)

Remember in 2005 when Jobs got up and said that with the move to Intel, their users would never be ridiculed for a lag in performance again?

Fast forward to 2010, after waiting and waiting for over half a year after Dell and other manufacturers were coming out with QUAD-CORE i7 laptops, Apple finally rolls out DUAL-CORE i7s in their Macbook pros while they give their iMac line quad-cores, essentially making their PROFESSIONAL LAPTOP line lower powered compared to their commodity consumer line.

This has been the state of affairs FOR ALMOST A YEAR!!!

When will we get our fucking QUAD-CORE i7s in Macbook pros you smug, lying, turtle-neck wearing piece of shit????
Frankly, I'm about to move to Dell Studio 17 and go the Hackintosh route.

um... (0)

Charliemopps (1157495) | more than 3 years ago | (#35269214)

Why would I want a connection between 2 PCs that is faster than the connection between my buss and hard drive. This is just stupid. I've got multiple quad-core PCs with Solid state drives on SATA... while moving files across my network I can barely break 10mb per second... much less hit 100mb... 1Gig connections are still laughable... and 10gig? That's just plain stupid. Connections between switches and routers maybe but it has no real use to your average PC user.

I'm thinking... (0)

MacGyver2210 (1053110) | more than 3 years ago | (#35269284)

it's probably going to be a fiber-connected SSD technology.

They could be cool and use the standard TOSlink/Optical Digital Audio cabling/connectors, but knowing apple it will be some stupid freaking double-latch gold-plated trendy-white cable that can only be used with this one rendition of the computer and changes every time a new computer is released so you have to buy all over again.

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