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Ubuntu: Where Did the Love Go?

CmdrTaco posted more than 3 years ago | from the why-can't-we-all-get-along dept.

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inkscapee writes "Used to be Ubuntu was the big Linux hero, the shining knight that would drive Linux onto every desktop and kick bad old Windows to the curb. But now Ubuntu is the Bad Linux. What's going on, is it typical fanboy fickleness, or is Canonical more into serving their own interests than creating a great Linux distro?"

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What's going on? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35283814)

"What's going on, is it typical fanboy fickleness, or is Canonical more into serving their own interests than creating a great Linux distro?"

Yes

Re:What's going on? (1, Funny)

kenh (9056) | more than 3 years ago | (#35283996)

Exactly!

Re:What's going on? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35284050)

So... we're all going to use Windows now?

Re:What's going on? (4, Funny)

vlm (69642) | more than 3 years ago | (#35284174)

So... we're all going to use Windows now?

Actually use iPads while endlessly promoting Android ipad-killer tablets.

Re:What's going on? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35284172)

"What's going on, are niggers less advanced than the white man, or could they end all racism by letting their children know who their fathers are, not being 40% of all prison inmates despite being 13% of the population, and recognizing "ebonics" and the thug lifestyle as the gutter trash that it is?"

Yes.

According to the U.S. government 70% of all black children are born out of wedlock. That's a nice way of saying they're bastards because their fathers don't care that children in nuclear families have a far higher quality of life than bastards. It's also a nice way of saying that black women who are not ready to have children need to learn how to take the fucking pill.

Do you know what the statistics are for white children? About 35%. Black people, if you want to eliminate one big reason for racism, bring your rate of bastard children down until it is equal to or better than the rate for whites.

Did you know that in California blacks are 7% of the total population? Guess what, they are 32% of its prison population. Surprise, surprise. Oh and Florida makes another good example. There, blacks are 14% of the total population and 54% of the prison population. For Texas, it's 11% and 44%. I think I see a pattern here! Darkies, fix this shit and make your prison population numbers look more like your percentage of the population and you'll eliminate one big reason for racism.

Of course you can keep blaming Whitey for all your problems. How's that been working for you for the last 30 years? Oh yeah, wait, your numbers keep getting worse. Do you know what that means? That means it's time to forget about that "strategy" and start looking at yourselves. Until then, the way blacks keep doing worse on everything I mentioned plus almost any kind of standardized testing makes it look like racism is not really racism, it is merely objectivity.

Any time you are measured up against other races you keep doing worse than they do. You know my heart bleeds if that hurts your feelings or something but what's a rational person supposed to think?

Niggers.

Re:What's going on? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35284212)

I want you to die, sooooooooooo bad

Re:What's going on? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35284248)

How long before the truth is flagged as flamebait?

Free software (5, Insightful)

devxo (1963088) | more than 3 years ago | (#35283816)

Freedom means you should also be able to make money and act selfishly with your distro or open source project. I really don't get why it's always such a problem for open source advocates. If you want truly free software you let everyone do whatever they want with it.

Re:Free software (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35283850)

Because you're not only supposed to follow the license but all the unwritten rules of the free software hippies which usually includes not making money from it. Because that violates the "spirit" of the license or some such nonsense.

Re:Free software (0)

inKubus (199753) | more than 3 years ago | (#35284084)

That "nonsense" is why Linux runs 89% of the web. Stallman and GNU made all this possible by being geniuses. Unix is about communication, community, sharing information. That's what makes it powerful, that's what makes COMPUTERS powerful, which is why more and more things either are looking like Unix (Windows) or are Unix (OSX, everything google runs as a service, everything amazon runs as a service, etc). No one complains about RedHat because they aren't a bunch of hipsters trying to be the next big thing and stick to the real side of Unix, which is stability and service to the computing community at large. RHEL6 is an amazing product. Yes, it doesn't have the bleeding edge kernel, but that's because what's the hurry? Let's focus on a broad based capital investment in the computing future and not jump on the latest bubbles and trends. Knowing my OS distro will not only be updated but supported with GOOD SUPPORT (from a real person) for 8 years but I also know that I have a distribution of known stable, known secure packages that are also good contributers to the community and adhere to all the standards such as file locations, etc. which are LIKE THAT FOR A REASON, and debated 100000 times before.

That being said, if it takes a commercial company to make a decent Unix desktop, Apple already won, so we should be trying to copy that. THAT being said, I do think Ubuntu has the easy install down, and spent some time to make their desktop nice. But just because you get a little success does not mean you have a right to start making big, un-thought-through changes in system land.

Re:Free software (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35284180)

It's a universal truth that absolute freedom can only exist in solitude. If you want to please other people, you have to do what they want, at least to some extent. There are people who frown on making money by distributing open source software. If you want to please them, don't make money that way. The point of open source software is that you don't have to please them. It's your choice.

"Ubuntu: Where Did the Love Go" isn't about licenses. It's about pleasing people. It's also sophism, because it implies that the love is no longer there (it's a so called "loaded question").

Re:Free software (2)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 3 years ago | (#35283920)

Being free to do what you want never means being free from community criticism.

If you treat 3rd parties like they work for you personally, or do various stupid things then you are likely to inspire some enmity.

It is far less likely that everyone will follow you off the cliff in the Unix community.

Re:Free software (2)

trollertron3000 (1940942) | more than 3 years ago | (#35283974)

And as long as the source code is provided how can people really object to their focus on things that make a profit? They need to survive and that means making money.

I feel the same way (1)

Presto Vivace (882157) | more than 3 years ago | (#35284090)

Freedom means you should also be able to make money and act selfishly with your distro or open source project. I really don't get why it's always such a problem for open source advocates. If you want truly free software you let everyone do whatever they want with it.

But what would I know, I am a humble marketing communications consultant.

Re:Free software (1, Insightful)

Bob9113 (14996) | more than 3 years ago | (#35284240)

> Freedom means you should also be able to make money and act selfishly with your distro or open source project. I really don't get why it's always such a problem for open source advocates. If you want truly free software you let everyone do whatever they want with it.

You are confusing "Free" with "Laissez-Faire". America is "free" because the government is prohibited from certain actions. The "free market" requires government inhibition of monopolies, trusts, cartels, false advertising, and various forms of payola/kickbacks/bribery (see Adam Smith, among others). Freedom of expression requires that communities be barred from passing blue laws. Racial freedom requires that stores and employers be barred from discrimination.

"Free" and "Laissez-Faire" are not equivalent. "Free" is more complex, more subtle, more difficult to achieve, and -- on the upside -- vastly more beneficial to long-term GDP growth.

Re:Free software (1)

ebuck (585470) | more than 3 years ago | (#35284254)

While you are true, freedom doesn't have anything to do with wisdom.

What I found telling was the reports about two years ago where Debian developers were complaining about Ubuntu. You don't bite the hand that feeds you.

what? (5, Insightful)

Tumbleweed (3706) | more than 3 years ago | (#35283828)

Since when is Ubuntu the 'bad linux'?

Re:what? (5, Informative)

Anthony Mouse (1927662) | more than 3 years ago | (#35283852)

Since when is Ubuntu the 'bad linux'?

Since they put the window buttons on the left hand side, if I remember correctly.

Re:what? (3, Funny)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#35284020)

Yeah, a real tragedy that you have to go switch the side the buttons are in the settings.

Re:what? (1)

PCM2 (4486) | more than 3 years ago | (#35284102)

Which setting is that? I've looked in Appearance and Windows... nothing.

Re:what? (1)

Georules (655379) | more than 3 years ago | (#35284132)

Yeah, a real tragedy that you have to go switch the side the buttons are in the settings.

In the first rollout, there was no setting dialog to change it. You had to google ubuntu forums and modify files.

Re:what? (1)

MasterEvilAce (792905) | more than 3 years ago | (#35284198)

Is this a setting, now? Because when I tried it, you had to hack up a bunch of images as well as change some files somewhere. Wasn't really fun.

Re:what? (0)

rishistar (662278) | more than 3 years ago | (#35284216)

That was definitely the case in our house. Long story short Ubuntu went from being used on our communal home built desktop to being replaced by a new Windows 7 PC within two weeks of the installation of a version with the buttons on the other side, and the move to get a new PC came mainly as it became unusable to the other half because of the buttons being shifted round. (It was an oldish PC but did the job it was used for). This was particularly ironic as when I first got her to start using it (four years ago) as the main desktop PC I was filled with trepidation about how easy it would be for her to use - but she took to using it very well and I'd smugly being going round saying how Linux desktops are ready for common use. I've switched to Kubuntu myself.

Re:what? (5, Insightful)

SpeedStreet (924467) | more than 3 years ago | (#35283874)

Since when is Ubuntu the 'bad linux'?

Since a blogger blogging for a blogging website blogged about it. Also, blog.

Re:what? (5, Insightful)

Lord Ender (156273) | more than 3 years ago | (#35283926)

Since when is Ubuntu the 'bad linux'?

... since some blogger realized he gets more attention by writing inflammatory nonsense than by being honest.

Re:what? (1)

Stenchwarrior (1335051) | more than 3 years ago | (#35284012)

... since some slashdotter realized he gets more attention by writing inflammatory nonsense than by being honest.

There, oblagitoried that for you

Re:what? (5, Insightful)

Ironchew (1069966) | more than 3 years ago | (#35283930)

"It's popular, so it sucks" is the mantra here.
Some fanboys just want to make their e-penis bigger by saying they use obscure, obfuscated distro X all the time. Nothing new here.

Re:what? (3, Insightful)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 3 years ago | (#35283986)

I dunno.

There's nothing more obscure sounding than dumping the standard GNOME desktop and X along with it.

It doesn't get much more set apart from Linux and Unix in general than that.

Re:what? (1)

Desler (1608317) | more than 3 years ago | (#35284068)

There's nothing more obscure sounding than dumping the standard GNOME desktop and X along with it.

Almost no distro uses the "standard" GNOME desktop. Almost all distros have it tweaked and modified from what comes from upstream. Secondly, Canonical is not dumping X.

Re:what? (1)

BitZtream (692029) | more than 3 years ago | (#35284088)

I've used UNIX for ~20 years and have NEVER used a GNOME desktop.

Linux != UNIX

Re:what? (1)

Dracos (107777) | more than 3 years ago | (#35284118)

I prefer my desktop to be free of mono, that's why I use Mint KDE.

Re:what? (1)

MonsterTrimble (1205334) | more than 3 years ago | (#35284138)

There's nothing more obscure sounding than dumping the standard GNOME desktop and X along with it. It doesn't get much more set apart from Linux and Unix in general than that.

That doesn't mean it's the wrong decision.

Re:what? (1)

Skreems (598317) | more than 3 years ago | (#35284142)

At the same time, though, who really cares? As long as the standard suite of Linux-compiled applications still run, they can do whatever they want with the basic components that power it. The fact that these components ARE so modular and interchangeable is part of why Linux is such a great starting point for someone looking to roll their own distro. If they think they have a reason to swap them out, more power to them.

Re:what? (0)

ElectricTurtle (1171201) | more than 3 years ago | (#35284026)

Same thing happened to Red Hat and Mandrake/Mandriva, etc. Except those actually did suck. Meh, idk, I use ubuntu-derived Mint at home.

Re:what? (2)

cant_get_a_good_nick (172131) | more than 3 years ago | (#35284072)

"Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded." Yogi Berra

Re:what? (1)

ddd0004 (1984672) | more than 3 years ago | (#35284092)

That's right I use a distro without a shell or any method of user interaction on my desktop.

Re:what? (2)

Chris Mattern (191822) | more than 3 years ago | (#35284146)

"Ubuntu used to be cool, but then it went all mainstream."

Re:what? (1)

Night64 (1175319) | more than 3 years ago | (#35283972)

Since when is Ubuntu the 'bad linux'?

I was thinking the same thing. Someone mod parent +1 please?

Re:what? (1)

vtcodger (957785) | more than 3 years ago | (#35283982)

***Since when is Ubuntu the 'bad linux'?***

Great question. I used Ubuntu for a while and didn't much like it, but I think I'm one of a very small minority. Except for a few eccentrics like me, the only reason that I can think of for not using Ubuntu is that when malware starts seriously attacking Unix, it'll probably go after Ubuntu first.

Re:what? (2)

mlts (1038732) | more than 3 years ago | (#35284036)

I must not be up to current events, but from what I see, Ubuntu is still a very strong distribution being arguably the front-runner when it comes to the desktop Linux offerings.

Every distro has their growing pains. RedHat went through theirs, Slackware had its trials, and so on.

Regardless of the drama that might surround Ubuntu, it still will be one of the top distributions out there. Of course, there may be forks, but Ubuntu has a solid development effort behind it and is standing up to the test of time.

I don't see any "bad linux" distros in the mainstream. In my book, only way a distro can be "bad" is if they stomp on GPL requirements and refuse to have source code available as per the license. Or if they are outrageously sloppy in how they build binaries, so the executables might not be what the source code compiles to.

Re:what? - Exactly! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35284040)

Since when is Ubuntu the 'bad linux'?

You have never gone to your Linux distro and say "You've been a very bad distro! You bitch! You need a spanking!"

And then gone off to your favorite porn site and...well.... you know.

And considering the Ubuntu is the desktop Linux for the casual user as opposed for the corp. environment like Fedora, Ubuntu is of course the very bad filthy little whore of a Linux distro!

Re:what? (1)

ozbird (127571) | more than 3 years ago | (#35284042)

Apparently the "fully sick Linux" was already taken.

Re:what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35284086)

The latest trigger for this post is probably the dispute with Banshee which has now been made the default music player but had its Amazon MP3 store turned off because it competes with the Ubuntu One music store. The controversy is because the Amazon profit goes to the Gnome foundation.

Note you can still use the Amazon MP3 store it just won't be enabled by default in Natty.

Re:what? (1)

rwa2 (4391) | more than 3 years ago | (#35284124)

Since when is Ubuntu the 'bad linux'?

Since the 80s came back and "bad" is the (re)new cool.

The Ubuntu love is still strong over at http://www.nixiepixel.com/ [nixiepixel.com] (who runs plenty of fairly technical Ubuntu vlogs and actually knows what she's talking about)

flamebait (5, Insightful)

bsDaemon (87307) | more than 3 years ago | (#35283832)

I don't even particularly care for Ubuntu (as if my nick name wouldn't be a tip off), but even I think this is probably the most flamebait summary I've seen on Slashdot in a while... wtf?

Re:flamebait (2)

druke (1576491) | more than 3 years ago | (#35284064)

Agreed, what the hell is this?

Here's my try:

Slashdot: where did the quality go? Used to be, slashdot was the was the big geek hero, theshining knight that would drive geekry onto every desktop and kick bad old productivity to the curb. But now slashdot sucks. What's going on, are the typical trolls all that's left, or is the joke that is the random mod system is finally being shown for what it is.

my take:

Ubuntu has always been a gateway niche, and canonical has always used Ubuntu as a vehicle to make 'linux for human beings'. That is a nicer way of saying dumbed down linux.

Simultaneously:

slashdot has always sucked. It's not anything new.

nope (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35283838)

Everyone's entitled to their opinion though of course.

Did I miss something? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35283840)

When did Ubuntu turn bad?

Re:Did I miss something? (3, Insightful)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 3 years ago | (#35283928)

Deciding to make a mobile interface the default desktop for 28" monitors was probably somewhere close to the turning point.

Re:Did I miss something? (3, Informative)

rubycodez (864176) | more than 3 years ago | (#35284054)

that's just silly, Ubuntu has more desktops to choose from than the furniture section of the Office Depot near my house. I can think of ten other desktops just an apt-get or software center click away if you don't like the default and there are more.

Re:Did I miss something? (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 3 years ago | (#35284182)

We don't actually know that it's going to be "bad" yet though.. I really want to see what they come up with.

More importantly... (1)

froggymana (1896008) | more than 3 years ago | (#35283844)

Where their grammar from summary go?

Perhaps Ubuntu could change their slogan into "All your base are belong to us!" to help gain popularity again.

Ubuntu got popular. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35283846)

It got popular, so all the Linux Hipsters hate it now.

Re:Ubuntu got popular. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35283886)

"I like Debian before it was Ubuntu"

Re:Ubuntu got popular. (4, Funny)

hoggoth (414195) | more than 3 years ago | (#35283932)

The unwashed masses run Windows.
The elite run OSX.
The elite of the elite run Ubuntu.
The elite of the elite of the elite run Debian. ... ... ...
I run AmigaOS. Yeah, you feel my cool don't you?

Re:Ubuntu got popular. (1)

froggymana (1896008) | more than 3 years ago | (#35284030)

Real men write their own OSs and drivers.

Re:Ubuntu got popular. (1)

BitZtream (692029) | more than 3 years ago | (#35284120)

Freaking awesome, I knew writing an OS for an ATmega chip instead of just using FreeRTOS would make me more manly. Now I have confirmation, my wife is so gonna do me tonight.

Re:Ubuntu got popular. (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 3 years ago | (#35284208)

I wrote Linus

Re:Ubuntu got popular. (1)

Desler (1608317) | more than 3 years ago | (#35284108)

The elite of the elite run Ubuntu.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha *deep breath* hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Good joke...

Fincancial realities? Stick with Debian (1)

G3ckoG33k (647276) | more than 3 years ago | (#35283856)

Fincancial realities? Stick with Debian (www.debian.org), they have showed that their commitment is consistent. BTW, Ubuntu is a slightly rewoked [sic] version of Debian. RedHat created Fedora so they wouldn't 'taint' their commercial version. Again financial realities. No news in that.

Re:Fincancial realities? Stick with Debian (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35284052)

Debian is exactly why some of us don't like ubuntu.

Gentoo would still be preferable to Debian, in spite of the twits running it who take up half the bandwidth on the mailserv bitching about top posting.

Huh (5, Insightful)

Anrego (830717) | more than 3 years ago | (#35283864)

I admit I’m not a ubuntu fan, but I don’t take the fact that the entire FOSS community hasn’t immediately dropped everything to fall in line with Ununtu as a sign of hate.

Ubuntu seems to be as popular as ever. In fact a lot of my fellow die hard “ew, ubuntu” friends are now using it (not me though.. never.. NEVVERRRR!!!).

I think much like the google article earlier, ubuntu has gone from young upstart to just “there”. Still strong and doing it’s thing.. but everything they do is no longer news worthy, and they have attracted the usual amount of criticism and people who just plain don’t like them. This is normal.

Re:Huh (0)

lwsimon (724555) | more than 3 years ago | (#35284074)

I was a die-hard ArchLinux user for a couple of years - but then I got a new generation of hardware that had Windows 7 pre-installed, and found it to be... acceptable. These days I'm in Win7 100% of the time, with a LinuxMint VM for most of what I do.

Rolling release sounds great until you have to download 100MB of updates every week on a shitty "broadband" connection in rural Arkansas. Stability has its place.

A very hot flamewar thread (-1, Troll)

slasher153 (1988730) | more than 3 years ago | (#35283880)

I once have seen a flamewar that really outshadows all flamewars. Here you go [tinyurl.com]

Who's this guy ? (4, Informative)

burdicda (145830) | more than 3 years ago | (#35283888)

Every single word is negative
Just like he's being paid
A Microsoft Ad to begin the article
All other articles at bottom of page also negative towards Linux

I say this guy's a troll in the first degree

ciao

burdicda

Re:Who's this guy ? (5, Funny)

numbski (515011) | more than 3 years ago | (#35284166)

Burma Shave

Amongst the Linux veterans at least ... (4, Insightful)

SpooForBrains (771537) | more than 3 years ago | (#35283890)

Ubuntu has always been the villain. Or, you know, the thing that you watch other people use in bemusement and begrudging appreciation that your goals at least are getting served even if it's not by methods of which you approve.

The old joke was that Ubuntu is Swahili for "can't install Debian". I may even have heard it here.

Re:Amongst the Linux veterans at least ... (4, Insightful)

Dutchmaan (442553) | more than 3 years ago | (#35283988)

Ubuntu has always been the villain. Or, you know, the thing that you watch other people use in bemusement and begrudging appreciation that your goals at least are getting served even if it's not by methods of which you approve. The old joke was that Ubuntu is Swahili for "can't install Debian". I may even have heard it here.

I have the distinct feeling that because Ubuntu is viewed as a distro 'for the masses', and die hard Linux users tend to view themselves as 'above the masses', it makes perfect sense that Ubuntu was/is seen as the 'villain' distro. After all, if the masses started using Linux then all the die hards would have to go somewhere else to feel superior.

Re:Amongst the Linux veterans at least ... (1)

iserlohn (49556) | more than 3 years ago | (#35284126)

I love Ubuntu. I don't use it on my desktop or notebook, but I love it nonetheless. I install it for friends and family that don't want Windows, the reasons why are numerous and not really relevant to this discussion.

The feedback from them is usually very good. Some get annoyed now and then that some program doesn't run as it's only available on Windows or OSX, but more and more, the application that people use is found online. The Internet is the great equalizer for operating systems. The platform has essentially moved onto the server side and the browser.

Re:Amongst the Linux veterans at least ... (1)

Ancantus (1926920) | more than 3 years ago | (#35283990)

I consider it a 'gateway linux'. It has the usability that anyone coming from windows can pick it up and use it. However the hard-core Linux users will usually like to play around with many different operating systems until they find one they like. I have suggested Ubuntu to many of my friends just cause its easy to install and play around with. None of us were born as Linux Vets, (except Linus Torvalds, he may have come out of the womb designing the kernel in his head).

Re:Amongst the Linux veterans at least ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35284062)

So what you're saying is you're an elitist that wishes everything was done via cryptic command line options that require years of study? Ubuntu brought an accessible Linux to the masses and you hate it for that, just say it. (It will still never be enough to make Linux "mainstream" anyway, beyond things like phones and tablets, but even then, that's Google's hard work).

poor inkscapee & his imaginary friend (1)

rubycodez (864176) | more than 3 years ago | (#35283904)

Ubuntu use is growing year by year, more people must think its OK than the "bad" Linux There are other distros with a better philosophy, sure, like Debian. But they lack the polish to allow me to get up and running quickly, I've years ago tired of having to spend dozens of hours to get everything to work. Ah well, I could say my ubuntu desktop is 85% Debian

Wow, terrible article (5, Insightful)

raddan (519638) | more than 3 years ago | (#35283918)

The author seems to intentionally conflate normal differences of opinion as "controversial", and he clearly sees forking as a bad thing. Anybody who's spent time on github knows that forks are a sign that a project is interesting enough to attract eyeballs... Anyway, as a regular (and satisfied) Ubuntu user, this is the first I've heard that I'm not happy...

Re:Wow, terrible article (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35283984)

Now that you know that you are not happy, could you, and everyone else, please get to expressing it? This blog posting was kind of relying on that, you know...

Not up to par with others (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35283938)

It feels weird when using it....when moving the mouse around and viewing menus and stuff it just doesn't feel user friendly or like OS X or Windows. I think its still a poor version of Linux. Its alot better than others, but not up to par with Windows and OS X.

Re:Not up to par with others (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35284106)

Someone shit in your mouth today?

The love went (2)

Hatta (162192) | more than 3 years ago | (#35283940)

To Arch. A bare bones distro with excellent documentation turns out to be a much better experience than layers and layers of GUI junk that never works right anyway.

Re:The love went (1)

Beelzebud (1361137) | more than 3 years ago | (#35284060)

I've been using Arch for nearly a year now. I distro hopped until I found Arch, and never looked back.

Re:The love went (1)

rubycodez (864176) | more than 3 years ago | (#35284222)

that's a fantastic server distro, but still not having massive market share of Ubuntu, Mint, Fedora, OpenSUSE, Sabayon, etc.

They kept (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35283942)

They kept fucking around with the interface instead of making it actually work.

Mint's doing a better job of being The Desktop Linux For Ordinary People than Ubuntu is.

I didn't hate Ubuntu BEFORE it was cool (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35283946)

Nerds are the worst hipsters and the minute I saw that Ubuntu was going for a Linux usable by everyone that it would eventually be hated by a decent segment of nerds. I'm actually surprised that it is as respected as it is.

It's unprofitable? (2)

trollertron3000 (1940942) | more than 3 years ago | (#35283952)

The article claims the company is unprofitable but how would anyone outside know if Canonical is profitable? Isn't it privately held? I've never heard of a private company publishing their numbers. I couldn't find any data to back up either side outside of rumor or hearsay. Does anyone have any info regarding this?

Satisfied Ubuntu user (1)

airfoobar (1853132) | more than 3 years ago | (#35283958)

User satisfaction renders your flamebait irrelevant.

What? (1)

Yaos (804128) | more than 3 years ago | (#35283962)

Some guy that has nothing to do with computers creates FUD about Ubuntu for no particular reason, other than unsourced criticisms that don't exist; that's supposed to convince us Ubuntu is bad?

Slashvertisement (1)

aBaldrich (1692238) | more than 3 years ago | (#35283966)

One thousand ads for a shitty article, half of which is Ubuntu's history and not actual information.

Cont3mpo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35283976)

And Unity?
And GNOME 3?
And Global Menu?
And Software Center 4.0?
And Banshee?
And Qt integrate?
And LibreOffice?
And Wayland?

All the answers: Ubuntu 11.04
(well, Wayland in 11.10, he)

TFA is BS; Ubuntu is pushing Linux forward nicely (5, Interesting)

dkegel (904729) | more than 3 years ago | (#35283980)

Really? Bruce Byfield is upset that Ubuntu switched its /etc/init.d handler to upstart? That's an awfully picky thing to complain about, especially since other distros did, too. Switching to the Unity shell is a bit edgy, but hey, it's been a while since there's actually been competition in desktops, we could use some. Most people long ago picked Gnome or KDE, and those projects have to some extent been coasting. Perhaps Unity will light a fire under Gnome like Chrome did for Firefox...

It's M$ again (0)

hesaigo999ca (786966) | more than 3 years ago | (#35283994)

M$ sending in fake linux programmers in to help destroy and add code bugs to the distro, as REAL linux programmers would never do that... ; )
also, M$ blasting linux and open source what ever chance they get, means I need to blast them every chance I get...catch 22, who came first, them or me, ....I guess it depends on the position ; )

Typical cat fight (1)

pearl298 (1585049) | more than 3 years ago | (#35284016)

that you get when trying to herd cats! It is mazing that most FOSS users will even agree on using the Linux Kernel and a quick search reveals plenty of bruised egos even there. IMHO this is both one of t e great advantages and the great disadvantages of Linux - INFINITE customisation! There are not merely 2000+ "distros", but 20M "custom installations"!

BLOGMYGOD (5, Informative)

SpeedStreet (924467) | more than 3 years ago | (#35284034)

Yet another incendiary post on a site that generates revenue by number of browser clicks. I'll skip TFA, thanks. Ubuntu seems to be doing just fine. They are generating attention with their new UI, the Ubuntu Server release is one of the best out there, and there doesn't seem to be a lot of reasons for people to 'hate' on it since it benefits upstream as well as down. Who's letting this trash get to the default RSS?

2 words Mono and Moonlight (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35284080)

well thats actually 3 words but the point is that shoving in Microsoft's "Sue-Bait" into the interface/programs has really turned people off..... that and the fact that older versions looked nicer(my opinion) really turns off more people(ie people that don't know that Mono and Moonlight could get people(not necesarily users) sued or put out of business).... one site that covers this/did cover this for quite some time is techrights.org

10.10 (1)

jimmerz28 (1928616) | more than 3 years ago | (#35284128)

I thought they did a very nice job with 10.10 as well as their entire re-branding and re-design of their website.

There's really no way I can see Ubuntu as "evil" as their usability certainly increased from 10.04 to 10.10, but I guess I need to be a blogger to make sweeping generalizations to bring viewers in.

Easy Linux != Linux for Linux Lovers (2)

natehoy (1608657) | more than 3 years ago | (#35284150)

If you want to make an easy-to-use, accessible Linux that your average user can use out of the box, you have to make a series of compromises. If you want to do so for profit, you have to make even more compromises.

First thing to go is the notion of a completely "libre" copy of Linux. Your average computer user expects to be able to listen to MP3s. They expect to be able to watch DVDs. They want full support for as much of the hardware as they can, including the full capability of their video card and wireless network card. If you block binary drivers and license-encumbered codecs, you'll alienate vast thundering herds of the very same users you really want to attract.

Second thing to go is a complex security model. A desktop user wants (at most) one set of credentials. They don't want a userland profile and a root profile and to have to remember to "go root" every few days to check for updates. You can make them comfortable (mostly) offering up their user credentials for updates and software installs, but you aren't going to get them to drop to a command line and su or sudo for simple tasks.

Third thing to go is an expectation that the user wants to make zillions of choices at install time, or desire the infinite configuration flexibility that is Linux. Average user does not want to hand-craft a kernel to the exact specifications of their chipset, because they haven't the faintest clue what a "chipset" means or what instruction set works for them. They don't want to choose between 5 desktop managers. They don't want to optimize the crap out of every possible aspect of the user experience by modifying xorg.conf. They don't want a 45-slider volume control. They want to be able to install it and choose between a few themes, shuffle a few fonts, set a background image of their grandkids, and adjust the speaker volume.

That's the funny thing. The people I give Ubuntu, Mint, Peppermint, etc to are the people it's designed for. If someone comes up to me and starts nattering on about worrying about having the latest version of Samba and how they are agonizing over whether KDE or Gnome is God's Gift to Window Management, or showing off a perfect chi in the form of an xorg.conf file, I'm not about to open a can of Ubuntu on them.

But the people I give Ubuntu and its variants to are still running it and enjoy it.

Distrohoppers (like me) have our loves come and go. I run a new distro in a VM about once a month, and distrohop like I'm a Jack Russell Terrier hyped up on crystal meth. I've got a couple of old machines that probably have spent as much time in various Linux distro installers as they have running Firefox.

But my desktop machine (which I share with my wife) runs the latest Mint. So does my wife's netbook. Because I want them to work, and I want them to be easy to use, and I want to be able to do what I want to do, when I want to do it.

Ubuntu is really good at that.

It failed in its mission (1)

atomicbutterfly (1979388) | more than 3 years ago | (#35284152)

Used to be Ubuntu was the big Linux hero, the shining knight that would drive Linux onto every desktop and kick bad old Windows to the curb. But now Ubuntu is the Bad Linux. What's going on...

Ubuntu was hailed as the distro which had everyone excited that FINALLY, Windows would have some decent competition from Linux such that Linux might actually achieve double-digit desktop percentage use. That was, after all, its prime goal: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1 [launchpad.net]

After 6 years, Ubuntu has failed in this goal. It's certainly brought a lot more attention to Linux on the desktop (it was enough for me to make the switch at least), however in terms of developing a more mainstream effect on the desktop computing world - nothing much has happened. Linux is still mostly unknown when it comes to desktop systems, at least with overall market use. The goal has not been achieved, and most likely won't be achieved by the time mobile platforms/cloud operating systems outrank traditional desktop OS's.

People got disillusioned, that's all.

It's always been crap (0)

metrix007 (200091) | more than 3 years ago | (#35284164)

Except now people are starting to wake up and realize that as well. It is a buggy bloated distro that got lucky because they mailed cd's to people. However now people are starting to realize Fedore and Mandriva exist. It's that simple.

Distro fads. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35284170)

At the end of of the day, it's all the same penguins all the way down. You can apt-get, yum, urpmi, emerge, pacman, even ./configure, make, make install but it is still the GNU/Linux core underneeth the spinning cubes stuff. Something cooler will come along and be the next big distro, just like Geocities/Myspace/Bebo/Twitter/Aol/Facebook/Diaspora are fads.

The Linux "Community" (gack!) can be embarrassing (5, Insightful)

sgage (109086) | more than 3 years ago | (#35284230)

Perhaps this trolling story has accomplished its goal: I'm about to abandon all Linux Distros forever just to avoid being considered a part of such an assholish "community" (gag). Seriously, people were down on Ubuntu the minute it became popular. If Ubuntu was successful, obviously it must be evil. And if their distro is coherent, easy to install, use and update, well then it's for the newbie masses, and must be ungood.

Or they set up defaults in a way that didn't please you, though you can easily configure it any way you wanted. No, they were "ramming their dictatorial decisions down my throat". Godz, how many times have I heard that! Oh, but asking someone to configure something is too hard for the newbies. But wait a minute, I thought Ubuntu was bad because it was too newbie-friendly.

A bunch of confused, hypocritical, self-contradictory, whining assholes. If you don't like a distro, FFS don't use it - it's really quite that simple. There's a distro out there for everyone.

Just Works - no longer (2)

Eric Wayte (4583) | more than 3 years ago | (#35284234)

I quit using Ubuntu with 9.10 after it would lock up my eee PC 1005HA during the install. It even locked up running off the USB!
I filed a bug, which promptly went to /dev/null. Now I run Fedora and it Just Works.

Canonicals interest IS creating a great Linux dist (1)

BitZtream (692029) | more than 3 years ago | (#35284250)

is Canonical more into serving their own interests than creating a great Linux distro?"

Thats a fucking retarded statement. Canonical is in business selling Linux, making a great Linux distro IS there business even if you're too much of a pickle smoking fanboy to realize that.

If you think Ubuntu sucks and your distro is far superior, you qualify as a complete and total idiot, and a fanboy too boot.

Its not THAT much different, so you're really starting to argue user preference and you've left the realm of qualitative measurements and went to pure opinion, in which case your statement doesn't matter to anyone anywhere as ... you're nothing more than a fanboy fawning over your beau rather than discussing the merits or shortcomings of an OS.

The only people who think Ubuntu suck or its 'the bad Linux' are fanboys. Any sort of sane person with a normal amount of socializing can easily discuss Ubuntu in context with other distros without going over the edge because they did a few things that they particularly don't like.

Ubuntu does all Linux many good deeds. I'm sorry if you don't like it because its popular, you're just an idiot. I'm sorry if you don't like it because they are doing things to make money, you're just an idiot too stupid to not know you shouldn't bite the hand that feeds you, but thats pretty much the typical OSS zealot anyway.

Finally: CmdrTaco - STOP LETTING KDAWSON AND TIMOTHY POST STORIES USING YOUR ACCOUNT. There was a time when you wouldn't have posted such retarded trolls to the front page, and you wouldn't have given them the clicks for what is a blatent attempt to gain page views by inciting the raging mob of fanboys. When did you guys start officially taking slashvertisments? Hell, I'm willing to pay to get slashdotted too, how much?

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