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Police Raid PS3 Hacker's House, Hacker Releases PS3 'Hypervisor Bible'

Soulskill posted more than 3 years ago | from the you-got-streisowned dept.

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An anonymous reader sends this excerpt from PSGroove.com: "Graf_chokolo, who has contributed countless things to the PS3 scene, had his private home raided by police this morning. They confiscated all of his 'accounts' and anything related to PS3 hacking. Some of you may remember that graf_chokolo promised if he was pushed, that he would release all of his PS3 hypervisor knowledge to the world. He kept good on this promise, releasing what is being dubbed as the Hypervisor Bible. 'The uploaded files contains his database, which is a series of tools for the PS3's Hypervisor and Hypervisor processes. It will help other devs to reverse engineer the hypervisor of PS3 further.'"

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Cheating (-1, Flamebait)

devxo (1963088) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298288)

I don't agree with the way Sony is doing it, but at least they are doing something. Some of the multiplayer games are completely unplayable as cheating is rampant. Something needs to be done as they're ruining the games for honest players.

Re:Cheating (-1, Offtopic)

commodore6502 (1981532) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298316)

>>>Some of the multiplayer games are completely unplayable

Fixed that for you. ;-) I hat (bkspc) have an extreme displeasure for MMOs. It's like gambling - they just keep sucking more and more money from your wallet, month after month. Look at Final Fantasy 11. I gave it a try, but soon realized it has no fixed ending, and no real point/plot/purpose. 6 years and $1000 down the tube. (Contrast that with FF12 or Skies of Arcadia which I still enjoy playing, and only cost me $19.)

Re:Cheating (3, Funny)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298370)

>>>Some of the multiplayer games are completely unplayable in the opinion of commodore6502 and are thus clearly must be unplayable to everyone

Fixed that fixed that for you, for you.

Re:Cheating (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35298410)

You're a complete tool.

Multiplayer games != MMO games.

MMOs are a subset of multiplayer games.

Re:Cheating (1)

commodore6502 (1981532) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298782)

>>>You're a complete [ass]

Fixed that for you. Don't use lame words like "tool" or "troll". Say what you REALLY mean to say. - Embrace the Hate and your transition to the dark side will be Complete. Muhahahaha.

>>>Multiplayer games != Massively Multiplayer Online games.

That is true, but the original poster was discussing ONLINE multiplayer games, and the cheating that ruins them. i.e. MMOs.

P.S. The photo (4, Insightful)

commodore6502 (1981532) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298526)

Was it really necessary for the police to wear Riot gear and Bust down the door? Did they think this gamer was going to beat them with a ps3 controller??? I bet they shot his little dog too (standard operating procedure).

Jeez. All they needed to do was knock and say, "We have a warrant to search your home," like polite servants. - Stupid SA

Re:P.S. The photo (4, Insightful)

rwven (663186) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298810)

I think the more important question is....what laws did the guy break in the first place? Did he break ANY or is this just another case of the idiotic way americans bow down and worship business?

Re:P.S. The photo (3, Insightful)

LordKronos (470910) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298812)

Uhhhh, do you REALLY think that was an actual photo of this particular raid, and not just some stock photo of a police raid? You really think they planned this raid, then brought in a photographer to do an artsy photo with a lensbaby, and then released that photo to the press?

Re:Cheating (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35298530)

Are you never tierd of trolling?

Re:Cheating (1)

fractoid (1076465) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298710)

MMOs are like beer. They keep sucking moderate amounts of money out of your wallet, month after month.

You don't drink, do you? Or if you do, you'll quit now? That one reusable water bottle is a lot cheaper and you can still drink out of it...

Re:Cheating (5, Insightful)

Nailer235 (1822054) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298324)

Something may need to be done, but does that "something" preclude people from using a product that they purchased by busting down their door and stealing all their equipment? Remember back in the old days when people would take things apart just to learn how they worked? Old toasters, microwaves, circuitry sets, etc. It really seems like we're forgetting that whole aspect of learning.

Re:Cheating (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35298606)

Did taking about that toaster or microwave to see how it worked enable people around the world to download free toast that someone else spent tons of time making? Since there was no "harm" (to the companies involved) with that old school hacking there was no reason for those companies to hit back. In fact, many times devices like that came with circuit diagrams (yes, I am getting old). These days we have the problem of the large amount of money and time that must be invested in order to produce one digital copy of something (say a game or movie) against the whole "but the marginal cost of additional copies is zero" crowd intent on getting it for nothing. Hacking these game consoles so that they can play "backups" or "unsigned disks" or whatever has a real cost to the folks who have invested time and money into development. Its a pity that there isn't an easy way to enable folks to do what they want with their own unit (which they should be able to do dammit; they bought it) without also enabling folks to violate copyright and just grab stuff for free.

Re:Cheating (4, Interesting)

snkiz (1786676) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298830)

I just want my Linux partition back without having to give up the PSN. Cheaters suck but really its no better than trying to play against the 18 hour a day basement dwellers.

Re:Cheating (2)

cheekyjohnson (1873388) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298836)

Did taking about that toaster or microwave to see how it worked enable people around the world to download free toast that someone else spent tons of time making?

That would be great! World hunger would be more or less solved. But that's bad because capitalism is obviously good (just like scarcity)!

Re:Cheating (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35298328)

I don't agree with the way Sony is doing it, but at least they are doing something. Some of the multiplayer games are completely unplayable as cheating is rampant. Something needs to be done as they're ruining the games for honest players.

Server-side checks: You don't have to Like Blizzard's "got-to-be-online-to-play" for Starcraft II, but notice: no cheating, with 1000000+ connected users and a easy to hack platform (PC+Mac).

If your game uses p2p connections and no gameplay server, some care in designing the protocol will make it much harder to cheat. Deterministic sync'hing with input passing, for example, will provide you a no-cheating solution. There's many other options.

Problem with cheating is that about no one in the industry cares about quality. Don't go justifying Sony's action on gamer's cheating. Find something better.

Re:Cheating (3, Insightful)

MareLooke (1003332) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298430)

They could also just require you to be logged into their service to play multiplayer; forcing people to be online for singleplayer is a retarded policy. Some of us are regularly in hotels and we don't always have a network connection (and if we do there's no guarantee the connection is any good), or your provider might have some big outage etc etc.

Forcing people to be online for an offline game or offline play is just a big no-no.

Lack of HTPC support is also a big no-no (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298534)

Forcing people to be online for an offline game or offline play is just a big no-no.

If it's a big no-no on the PLAYSTATION 3, then why isn't it a big no-no on the PC? With a few exceptions such as Trine, there aren't a lot of well-known PC games designed to be played multiplayer on one machine using two to four gamepads, even with the rise of LCD HDTVs that can be connected to a PC's video card through a VGA or HDMI cable.

Re:Lack of HTPC support is also a big no-no (2)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298700)

If it's a big no-no on the PLAYSTATION 3, then why isn't it a big no-no on the PC?

You've got me. I think it's a big deal on the PC, too. I get connected to Steam every time I start it whether I'm in offline mode or not, what a gigantic piece of shit.

Re:Cheating (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35298576)

Oh no, you can't play your precious games when sitting in a hotel room.

Re:Cheating (1)

commodore6502 (1981532) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298608)

>>>forcing people to be online for singleplayer is a retarded policy. Some of us are regularly in hotels and we don't always have a network connection

+1 insightful
Ditto for me.

Re:Cheating (3, Interesting)

somersault (912633) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298462)

You don't really understand the full nature of cheating. It's easy to stop some things, but if someone has a wall hack or aimbot, no amount of server side checks will distinguish that from a skilled player. That is, unless the server just precomputes all sound and graphics and sends them to the client, rather than telling the client exactly where sounds are to originate from, or where enemy player models are.

Re:Cheating (2)

Schadrach (1042952) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298648)

Then I retort simply -- how then can *you* tell the difference between an aimbotter/wallhacker and a skilled player? If it's not just an entirely subjective "he's too much better at it than I am", then shouldn't you be able to gauge some kind of metric to weed them out?

At the same time, shouldn't it be simple enough to publish an update to the game that includes some kind of anti-cheat code, rather than "I assume that the client is always right and completely honest at all times"? I thought "never trust the client" was the first rule of security for games like these?

Re:Cheating (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35298734)

You don't really understand the nature of cheating. It's easy to stop wall hacking/fog of war with client side checks. The whole premise of server side checking is to ensure the server only sends you the data necessary for you to render at that time, not before, not after. As far as things like aimbots go, you would actually need to inspect the code loaded/running on the client, which isn't something that's 'brand new' and hasn't been solved countless times. Hell even hardware controller hacks like 10 trigger inputs on one pull are easy to recognize and detect with well implemented server side checks. There are plenty of games out there already that are multiplayer online games that don't have hacking as a problem. These tend to be newer PC games though, as PC's have had to deal with this issue for ages, and thus the developers think about security when they actually build their games.

Re:Cheating (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35298844)

Indeed, with consoles the major issues that allow cheating are either having one player host the game (in which case he can use a lag switch to give himself a massive advantage) or people taking advantage of glitches in the games themselves. You can only solve the former by having dedicated servers to host games (which nobody in the industry wants to do because of cost) and you can only solve the latter with better testing and development practices (which nobody in the industry wants to do because of cost). In terms of modifying the code locally with a hack, the console manufacturers have this pretty much nailed down and the threat of losing your profile or being branded a cheat are enough to deter most people - lag switching and taking advantage of poorly coded games account for almost every instance of observed cheating in these closed systems. Sony's moves are nothing to do with preventing cheating and everything to do with controlling how you use your hardware.

Re:Cheating (1)

DrXym (126579) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298686)

Server-side checks: You don't have to Like Blizzard's "got-to-be-online-to-play" for Starcraft II, but notice: no cheating, with 1000000+ connected users and a easy to hack platform (PC+Mac).

And that appears to one prong of attack Sony are pursuing. Sony have put modders on notice they won't get into PSN most likely to stop griefers and other assholes exploiting bugs / behaviours not normally seen in the server and ruining the experience for normal players. I expect future games with substantial online components will have mandatory sign on requirements and feature stronger, punkbuster like checks during gameplay to stop modders too.

Re:Cheating (2)

ynp7 (1786468) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298330)

Those exploits have nothing to do with the hypervisor being compromised. They have been around long before these cracks and are the fault of the game developers. You can fault Sony for not being more proactive in cracking down on such cheaters, but you can't blame these guys who are cracking the system wide open. Though obviously they're not helping on that front either.

Re:Cheating (4, Insightful)

ciderbrew (1860166) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298338)

I'd rather the enjoyment of people games be ruined than have a state that kicks down doors because a person too apart a bit of kit they own.

Re:Cheating (0)

devxo (1963088) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298444)

Sony didn't caught him because he modded his console but because he was releasing all kind of tools and secrets about the hacking, just like GeoHot. He sure wasn't just a regular guy.

Re:Cheating (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35298488)

Ah, so it's OK if he hacks and mods, but if he <gasp/> actually wants to communicate with others about his hobby, that's criminal?

Not all of us are as willing to be antisocial as you are. Actually, since you're posting here, you can't be that antisocial, eh?

Re:Cheating (2)

rwven (663186) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298846)

The stupid thing is the double standard regarding this sort of thing. Books are released all the time that go into detail about how to hack various OSs, systems, platforms, etc, all under the guise of "prevention," and I don't see anyone kicking down the doors of those publishing companies or the book authors...

There is something very wrong with the legal system in this country...

Re:Cheating (1)

silas_moeckel (234313) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298630)

Oh no he told other people how to modify things they own. This could allow them to bypass DRM. The idiocy was making laws to protect DRM in my opinion if a copy right holder employs DRM they should loose all copyright protections since they are employing technical means they no longer need those copyright protections. Were effectively allowing corps to make nearly everybody with a brain a criminal. Personally I have a modded wii but own all the games I play, backup disks are a godsend for parents, same goes for all the DVD's ripped and programs recorded and commercial stripped. These are the same idiots that think it is illegal for a DVD player to skip the required 15 minutes of Disney commercials or anything with a cable card to not tune to there emergency alerts. The media cartels and politicians want to be able to force things down our throats since they each have an agenda they want to push and are willing to makes laws to further those goals.

Re:Cheating (1)

gnasher719 (869701) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298694)

The idiocy was making laws to protect DRM in my opinion if a copy right holder employs DRM they should loose all copyright protections since they are employing technical means they no longer need those copyright protections.

What you propose would be the opposite of the laws for physical theft, where the punishment is lowest if I take something away that is unprotected, worse if I break a lock, and worse again when I use force. Your argument says basically that if I try to steal your car, you defend it with a baseball bat and I shoot you, there should be no punishment.

Re:Cheating (2)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298654)

Moral of the story...

If you found some really good info on cracking a bit of hardware, you had better create a pseudonym and set up a way to hide your tracks online before you release the stuff. Hide who you are, use open relays and proxies outside of the country, do uploads or connects only from public wifi points... You have to hide like a spy because the corporations control the police and government and can get the cops in full SWAT mode to bash down your door and hit you in the head with a rifle butt several times.

Honestly, STOP this stupid "for my rep and street cred yo!" crap, release anonymously and cover your tracks. stop putting up neon signs for the corporate and government goons to come and get you.

Amen! (1)

Weezul (52464) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298748)

In retaliation, PS3 Hackers should make an effort to damage the PS3s market any way possible. And I'd imagine the best approaches will be :
(1) improving the free PS3 emulators for Windows, Mac OS X, and Linux,
(2) making piracy of PS3 games more user friendly, say writing better howtos,
(2) developing tools for cheating in-game, ala aimbots that're easily adapted to new games,
(3) writing howto docs explaining how to create PS3 games without paying Sony's royalties, and
(4) a howto for creating an inexpensive knockoff PS3 might be nice too.

Re:Cheating (4, Interesting)

commodore6502 (1981532) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298344)

P.S.

>>>Something needs to be done as they're ruining the games for honest players.

I agree and banning modded consoles is the solution, NOT shipping people off to jail for 5 years. Sony's approach is extreme overkill for what is, basically, just a toy. It's akin to locking-up someone because they modded Optimus Prime with electronics to self-transform, and then shared the plans online. ("Oh no! Got to lock him up for modding our toy!" - Hasbro.)

Re:Cheating (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35298590)

P.S.

>>>It's akin to locking-up someone because they modded Optimus Prime with electronics to self-transform, and then shared the plans online. ("Oh no! Got to lock him up for modding our toy!" - Hasbro.)

Um, no it's not. While I agree with the first part of your statement, an Optimus Prime toy doesn't have a built in commerce engine, play 1000s of movies or provide additional revenue that Hasbro bases their financial projections on to remain a profitable company.

I totally understand the argument that if you own an object it should be yours to do with as you please but as these objects are increasingly connected and integral to the profit margins of the companies that make them you can't expect these massive companies to sit by idly while they watch the potential of their profitability slip out of their control.

Re:Cheating (2)

WhirlwindMonk (1975382) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298738)

Um, no it's not. While I agree with the first part of your statement, an Optimus Prime toy doesn't yet have a built in commerce engine, play 1000s of movies or provide additional revenue that Hasbro bases their financial projections on to remain a profitable company.

FTFY. "Buy the new Optimus Prime EX Super Toy with up to 500 lines from the Transformers movies!

Base toy comes with five lines, additional lines sold separately, use of addon voice packs requires continuous connection to wireless network to validate content, see our website for more detail.

Follow the Money (4, Insightful)

realxmp (518717) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298352)

For Sony it's not really about cheating, it's about getting their royalty every time a game is sold. It's the same reason why "Other OS" wasn't allowed full access to the processing power of the PS3. If writing games in Linux had become a viable option on the PS3 then at least some companies would have considered distributing some of their content that way, saving themselves a huge margin. Incidentally cheating will always be an issue if your game's server trusts the client excessively anyway.

Re:Cheating (1)

sosume (680416) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298580)

Yeah, because raiding a home is entirely justified if you cheat in a game!

Re:Cheating (1)

Ash-Fox (726320) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298726)

Yeah, because raiding a home is entirely justified if you cheat in a game!

That's what cheaters want you to think!

Re:Cheating (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35298620)

Dissecting the PS3 isn't about piracy (but is an unfortunate side affect)... it is about being able to to do what you like with a platform that was purchased in good faith, good faith that Sony has repeatedly violated (because they believe that the purchaser is merely 'leasing' their unit). If Sony hadn't removed features that were selling points of pre-sold units than this wouldn't even have been an issue.

Re:Cheating (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298634)

Um yeah, It's the 13 year old kiddies. Modern Warfare II multi player is unplayable on the xbox platform because the sniper rifle is horribly broken. and of course they wont release a patch to fix that, so they released Modern Warfare 2.25 called "black ops" to fix it, somewhat. I can still uttely own someone with my hacked controller and a pistol.

Re:Cheating (1)

dBLiSS (513375) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298638)

I don't agree with the way Sony is doing it, but at least they are doing something. Some of the multiplayer games are completely unplayable as cheating is rampant. Something needs to be done as they're ruining the games for honest players.

I agree. They should be violating the rights of people who have done nothing illegal. They should knock down the doors of as many innocent people as possible so that you can PLAY your games without having to stay up at night crying because you lost a game to a cheater. I feel really bad for you. Your life is being destroyed because you can't play your games. boo-fuckin-hoo.

Re:Cheating (-1, Troll)

Zelgadiss (213127) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298744)

Save your breathe.

The subgroup of Slashdotters who visit topics like these are extremely pro-hacking.
They worship people like Geohot like heroes.

Downvotes are the only thing you will get here, if you interrupt the hivemind circlejerk, whether you deserve it or not.
You are marked "flamebait" now, although there is nothing inflammatory about your post.

This is the new Slashdot that came with the death of the old meta-moderation system I suppose.

I recommend next time you see a Sony topic, just pop in and post:

I will never buy from Sony again!! Fuck them!

Instant "+5 Insightful".

Although it has practically no content. LOL

Re:Cheating (1)

cheekyjohnson (1873388) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298820)

Yeah! Police should bust down a PS3 hacker's door! They should really be wasting their time to 'ensure' that no one cheats in a multiplayer game. After all, cheating is 'bad' because some people don't like it. Like repeatedly using a certain powerful weapon in a game!

My PS3 - I can do what I want with it (4, Insightful)

commodore6502 (1981532) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298290)

I think Sony is only a few months away from being told exactly the same thing by the US and EU governments. i.e. Just as cellphones can be jailbroken, so too can consoles.

Re:My PS3 - I can do what I want with it (2, Insightful)

devxo (1963088) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298302)

However, they can still refuse to offer you PSN services. Otherwise you are already allowed to use your console as you please.

Re:My PS3 - I can do what I want with it (1)

ynp7 (1786468) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298336)

Considering the legal trouble these guys are getting into that hardly seems to be the case.

Re:My PS3 - I can do what I want with it (5, Insightful)

commodore6502 (1981532) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298420)

>>>However, they can still refuse to offer you PSN services.

Yep.

I'm okay with that. Still that doesn't mean I should be arrested for modding MY console. If Sony ever tries, and my life is ruined because of it (like what RIAA did to Jammie Thomas and other victims), the CEO might as well consider himself equivalent to Mubarak (i.e. a liberty-suppressing tyrant).

Oh and I'm not sure why people think I'm "trolling" or anti-sony??? The PS1 and 2 were my favorite consoles. 10 years of great gameplaying (1995-2005) so I'm hardly anti-sony.

Re:My PS3 - I can do what I want with it (1)

FromWithin (627720) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298652)

> The PS1 and 2 were my favorite consoles. 10 years of great gameplaying (1995-2005) so I'm hardly anti-sony.

How many games did you buy?

Re:My PS3 - I can do what I want with it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35298724)

I wasn't anti-Sony when I bought my PS3, but I am fast becoming so. I used my PS3 "within the lines" doing things it was advertised to be able to do - by Sony.

I used the media player, which they broke a couple of times with "updates," but at least they fixed that.

I upgraded the hard drive, and discovered that I had to re-download and re-play all of my games from the beginning (waste of time not advertised at time of purchase).

I loaded a Linux partition, and after all the time and effort I put into that, they killed it.

Finally, their solder joints broke on one of the chips and now it sits waiting for me to find the time to fix it. It's been waiting for months. Why? Because my WDTV has replaced it's media center functions, the games weren't all that, and the damn thing draws 300 watts while playing anything, 260 at idle.

Anybody want to buy a Gen1 PS3 with the compatibility chips? Some repair required.

Re:My PS3 - I can do what I want with it (1)

iainl (136759) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298816)

True that they can refuse to let people on PSN if they mod, and I'm fine with that. Better than fine - when on PSN (just as when on Live) I'd rather not go up against cheaters, and cheating is pretty easy if you've pwned hardware on a platform where the games have assumed that's impossible.

It's just the whole 'raiding houses and dragging people through the courts' thing that I don't like.

Re:My PS3 - I can do what I want with it (1)

dmgxmichael (1219692) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298306)

How delightfully naive of you. Sony and it's corporate bedmates own the government. It will not do anything without Sony's permission.

Re:My PS3 - I can do what I want with it (0)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298360)

commodore6502 is the new account for commodore_love, a well-known slashdot troll. I wonder why he's using a new account - perhaps his old account got banned for some unknown reason?

You got trolled, buddy. I hope you felt intellectually superior while doing it because that would be a delicious irony.

Re:My PS3 - I can do what I want with it (-1, Flamebait)

commodore6502 (1981532) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298390)

>>>a well-known slashdot [nigger]

Fixed that for you.
What?
You obviously hate me, so why hold back? Embrace your hate and make it Complete. An insult is an insult, and you might as well use the N-word as the T-word. They are equally as disgusting and juvenile.

Re:My PS3 - I can do what I want with it (1)

jpapon (1877296) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298508)

Saying an "insult is and insult" is completely ridiculous. You might as well say "a punch is a punch" equating a friendly tap on the arm to a nose shattering blow to the face.

Just to clarify, hate speech is on a different level from other insults. To claim otherwise is to claim that all words are equivalent. Which would make language pointless.

Re:My PS3 - I can do what I want with it (1)

clang_jangle (975789) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298524)

I doubt anyone really hates you, but surely it's true that if you didn't spend so much time trolling and and making up stories people might not call you names so often. Parent post is a classic example -- substituting the "N" word for "troll" and trying to shame and blame over it. That was truly idiotic as well as totally dishonest.

Re:My PS3 - I can do what I want with it (0)

dmgxmichael (1219692) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298432)

I don't take note of user names (or for that matter ID's) here. I simply address the comments on their own merits (or lack thereof), if I feel a need to say anything at all. I've gone months without posting before. In order to be trolled I'd have to have an interest in the person behind the comment. After all, that is a troll's modus operandi - to get attention for themselves and then draw others into an exchange of bickering gainsays for their entertainment. The moment the conversation moves to personal insults I leave because I honestly don't have the time for it. My comment was a sarcastic response and quippish to be sure. I don't necessarily disagree with the original sentiment and wish that was the way the world worked - were governments did as they should and secured the rights of the people, and not corporations. The only protection we have from big business is big government. If the two ever fully unite then we have a problem (some would argue they already have united).

Re:My PS3 - I can do what I want with it (1)

gblfxt (931709) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298340)

Or the opposite may happen, where cellphones, etc. will be made illegal to jailbreak following this ps3 ruling.....

The moral/practical lesson of this story is (5, Insightful)

unity100 (970058) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298326)

DONT buy sony. dont let anyone around you, buy sony.

Re:The moral/practical lesson of this story is (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35298350)

Friends don't let friends buy Sony!

Re:The moral/practical lesson of this story is (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35298414)

Right. To recap: CD rootkit, malicious CD drives (see http://kerneltrap.com/node/471 ) and now the PS3 crap. Anybody buying sony is just asking to be screwed.

Re:The moral/practical lesson of this story is (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35298822)

Having just read http://kerneltrap.com/node/471, no evidence is presented of maliciousness by the drive. There is a kernel oops but the SCSI commands which caused it are not detailed; also the obvious comment is made that the kernel shouldn't ever crash no matter what a SCSI device returns. So "malicious CD drives" => "stupid kernel bug", or so it would appear without further evidence.

Re:The moral/practical lesson of this story is (1)

commodore6502 (1981532) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298442)

>>>DONT buy sony. dont let anyone around you, buy sony.

Okay.

Looks at Xbox... hmmm Microsoft. Nope.
Looks at Wii..... hmmm Nintendo. Nope.
I'm running out of options - wish Sega still made a console. I guess this is just like a US election; I have to hold my nose and pick the least-evil candidate. (closes eyes) Um, er, Nintendo it is.

(later while playing Sonic) Man this controller sucks - doesn't register half my inputs.

Get a slim PC instead (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298572)

Looks at Xbox... hmmm Microsoft. Nope.
Looks at Wii..... hmmm Nintendo. Nope.

Of the three major video game console makers, the console division of Microsoft is the least evil. Xbox 360 is the only console with a developer program open to the public. Otherwise, you could always put a slim PC by your TV, hook up the HDMI, and game that way.

I'm running out of options - wish Sega still made a console.

Sega and Nintendo worked together on the Triforce arcade console. Xbox 360 builds on Sega's and Microsoft's experience with getting a Windows API running on Dreamcast.

Re:Get a slim PC instead (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298682)

Of the three major video game console makers, the console division of Microsoft is the least evil.

It doesn't work that way. Microsoft's entertainment division is part of Microsoft just like Sony's is part of Sony. If they don't wish us to conflate the two they can unincorporate the divisions in question, and they can stop doing all they can to brand them as part of the same corporation. Consequently, Nintendo is the least evil games console manufacturer/distributor. (I do think they are bad guys at heart, too.)

Re:The moral/practical lesson of this story is (4, Interesting)

ghmh (73679) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298622)

Maybe it's time to exercise your imagination instead of your thumbs?

Ownership? (5, Interesting)

headkase (533448) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298334)

The entire fiasco with people getting arrested for modifying their own property is due to the DMCA's circumvention clause. Because the DMCA casts doubt on basic ownership rights I think that the base law is flawed.

If I want to buy a cheap super-computer or mod my Xbox 360 into a media center that should be a given-right: I bought the hardware so go to hell without my Freedom to Tinker [freedom-to-tinker.com].

Re:Ownership? (1)

commodore6502 (1981532) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298494)

>>>DMCA casts doubt on basic ownership rights

The DMCA is nullified by the higher law known as the Constitution: "No person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation." --- "The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained [such as modification of one's property] by the people."

- "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

Only nine people know what Constitution means (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298584)

The DMCA is nullified by the higher law known as the Constitution

Only nine people in this country know what the Constitution really means. People thought a second successive copyright term extension was unconstitutional, but the Supreme Court of the United States said otherwise.

Re:Ownership? (0)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298718)

If you believe that then you are Naive..

The United States Constitution is no longer followed. there are enough laws that contradict it to allow them to hold you in a isolation cell for years without being charged for any crime. The united states has enacted many laws with the horrible abomination called the patriot act that would make soviet Russia proud. Every senator and house of Representative that voted for that law is a TRAITOR to the United states and the American People.

The war on drugs give them the right to seize your property without recourse. The war on terror give them the right to jail you for any reason for pretty much forever. The United states is no longer a free country, it's been non-free for over a decade now.

You do NOT own the software! (-1, Troll)

staticneuron (975073) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298616)

It is a very simple concept. You can do whatever you want to the hardware, the OS is licensed to gamers. Games are also licensed to gamers. This is nothing new, this has been going on for generations. Iirc there ware similar verbiage in the Eula/tos of the previous 2 consoles as well. You agreed to it either by agreeing to the Eula or by use. If you have done neither then you have less of an argument.

Just because you assume ownership of something doesn't mean that it is true. Now if you were to use that info to compeletey wipe the native OS of the machine then that would be your right. The sticky nature of the DMCA and Eula is simply the bypassing of security to do so. The act of bypassing it violates the contract and the DMCA but running another OS is not.

The truth is though, people do not want to lose the abilities given in the native OS so they pretend like they don't understand the distinction between license and owner ship and try to justify using a modified version of the native OS. If you are going to knowingly do something like hack the console (for pirating reason or for hombrew) please man up and admit what you are doing is in the green. It makes sense for Sony to do this. They are probably obligated to do this because of the way their game console generates revenue, their partners involved and the investors they have to answer to.

I just wish this woe is me, I am an innocent abused hacker/hobbiest/tinkerer act. Here is the deal if you use the software, just accept the fact that you not get to use the PSN again.If you are distributing the proprietary sony code/information (that they can identify),expect for them to come after you. it is really that simple and it is justified.

Re:Ownership? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35298668)

This. That law should be re-examined, hopefully after this case is shot back at Sony.

Never pirated a thing in my life without buying it. (outside of 1 case where the game was so god awful. I did write a lengthy complaint to the developer, however)
Homebrew is one thing i do like since the creators of said product tend to lock things down and / or not have enough functionality where functionality could easily be.

Example, PSP, i modded mines so i can have a full-on file editor. (and hex editor)
Without it, i would have to use the terribly limited file editor i made in the terribly limited web browser.
Speaking of browser, i hope to god they don't gimp the browser again.
And hopefully they have a unified file manager this time instead of forcing you in to the restrictive XMB crap.
Who am i kidding, shit will be locked down hard after all this crap. And this time, they might actually succeed holding their ground for a long time. (unless someone royally Screws It Up again)

Another reason (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35298372)

NEVER to buy anything made by Sony

where is the download? (1)

Dr. Tom (23206) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298434)

looks like it was already deleted

Re:where is the download? (1)

lechiffre5555 (1939278) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298456)

First link still works. Just downloaded it. Don't even own a PS3, but gonna make sure the genie stays out of the bottle.

Re:where is the download? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35298466)

this web has 2 links:
http://psgroove.com/content.php?801-Police-Raid-Graf_Chokolo-s-House-In-Response-Graf-Releases-Hypervisor-Bible&s=97c0d710870821089bac8918d5240bb0

this link still works:
http://ifile.it/3nxk0pv/coolstuff.rar this link still works

Re:where is the download? (1)

lechiffre5555 (1939278) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298504)

It's up as a torrent too. Type Graf chokolo into the pirate bay and there's two of them, - sizes match - one has 70 seeds already. Join that swarm if you want to help keep it alive.

Re:where is the download? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35298770)

This one is the same file as in TFA (downloaded it via ifile and the bittorrent client accepted it as identical): http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/6197114/graf_chokolo_holy_bible_for_the_PS3

There's another torrent with a slightly different file size. No idea what's in it though.

Where has the good PR people at Sony gone? (1)

zoffdino (848658) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298536)

Time and time again Sony blow up on their PR. Order court arrest of hackers who are tinkering with their products to make them even more useful to the community. Whatever these guys to hack the PS3, it's only for the good of Sony. Think about the free publicity when your PS3 can do this and that with a simple jailbreak. Sony can simply turn a blind eye, or better yet, encourage those efforts from the community. What if they break the hypervisor? It's not like a modern PS3 game is easy to make, so you will need an SDK and Sony's support anyways. PS3 works in a pretty small confinement defined by Sony, step outside its border and you will be sued. This is a sad example of a company run by lawyers. Had Ken Kutaragi been at the helm, he would no doubt feel excited about those attempts given his engineering background. Even Apple turns a blind eye on the jailbreakers. New iOS updates break them all of time, but Apple didn't go sue anyone. They silently watch the apps in the jailbreak world and turn some of them into iOS (tethering, bluetooth keyboard, etc.) That's smart marketing.

This story doesn't make any sense (5, Interesting)

marcansoft (727665) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298562)

This is the entirety of the original source material for this story:

Guys, do not contact me anymore because SONY got me. They have all my stuff and accounts now, so be careful.

It was not a troll guys, it’s me, they really got me, it was a matter of time. So be careful now, i warned you.

Guys, SONY was today at my home with police and got all my stuff and accounts. So be careful from now on.

Guys, i don’t joke, it’s serious.
And to prove it, i kept my word and uploaded all my HV reversing stuff.
Upload it everywhere so SONY couldn’t remove it easily. Grab it guys, it contains lots of knowledge about HV and HV procs.

Here is my HV bible: ...

"SONY was today at my home"? That's not how raids work. In the US, Sony had to go through some rather extensive legal action to be able to get a TRO on geohot, and now they've convinced the German police to raid some random hacker's house out of nowhere? He's also not even one of the more prominent people involved, and had very little to do both with the core hacks and with subsequent piracy tools - he mostly worked on his own on hypervisor reverse engineering and there's just about nothing they could charge him with. This would also be the first action taken by SCEE regarding this entire issue. And you'd expect someone other than graf_chokolo to notice, publish, or somehow independently report the raid. Not to mention that if you're raided, the first thing you do is talk to an attorney, not post a care package online (as "proof"?). None of this makes any sense.

He did mention that if he ever got a takedown notice from Sony or something along those lines, he'd release his hypervisor disassembler database. I think it's more likely that he got tired of waiting and just made up an excuse.

Re:This story doesn't make any sense (1)

game kid (805301) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298646)

He also used the word "guys", like, five times.

Ergo, I say it's graf_chokolo's personal graf_chokolo-simulation bot (Beta) struggling to talk and/or attract women via internet.

Re:This story doesn't make any sense (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35298692)

it depends on the local police, and people say that bsa busted them if bsa uses police for the bust and many police officials gladly co-operate as they don't know jack shit about the field and it probably is also their most exciting snatch for the year, too.

also in many areas.. the way police works is that they will do a standard bust right away even before they have any clear idea what kind of things they're going confiscating or what they're even investigating - sony probably hurried this and told the officials that there was the risk of him releasing the information on the evil internets.

story from a northern european nation: police got told that a boy was messing with the network, police confiscates computer and random floppies from floor and returns them 2.5 years later without a charge. the original dickweed who fired up the police didn't even have the capacity to specify more clearly what had happened so he left that too to the police to figure out and the polices number one tactic of just making the first time suspect confess failed utterly as they couldn't point out what to confess, even trying to get the suspect to sign a confession that couldn't technically be true.

the reason for the ordeal was a traceroute log.

anyways, for fun times, keep around hd's with damaged platters(written anon).

Re:This story doesn't make any sense (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35298814)

Thing is, you can't justify any of that doubt. It's entirely possible that the cops had a Sony rep with them to show them what to confiscate. It's entirely possible that Sony people just showed up and illegally strongarmed their way into his home.

It's also entirely possible that "they have all my accounts" means nothing more than that: that the computer hardware seized contains all his passwords. The cops, and possibly by extension Sony, has his passwords. Whether they're using them for anything is another matter, but the message is clear: he feels that his forum etc. accounts should be regarded as compromised.

Try not to be such a dickhead in the future, okay?

Re:This story doesn't make any sense (1)

WhirlwindMonk (1975382) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298842)

And you'd expect someone other than graf_chokolo to notice, publish, or somehow independently report the raid.

Because every police raid that ever happens is reported on in the mainstream media mere hours after it happened? Especially those of questionable legality that they would want to keep quiet until they have something solid? Even the ones that have to do with crimes that the vast majority of people don't care about (i.e. not a drug bust, child prostitution ring, or related to a professional athlete)? I realize this is Germany and not the US, but your suggestion seems a little...optimistic. I'm also assuming you've gone through all the German news sites to make sure it wasn't reported on and you aren't just assuming...right?

Ugh (2)

scarface71795 (1920250) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298570)

This seems like a lot of bull, Raiding someones home because a corporation doesn't like what they're doing with something they own. This is just going to hurt Sony worse and it gives me another reason not to buy from them.

Surprise: Japanese overreact when desperate (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35298586)

who saw that coming ?

Should have read/used the EULA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35298670)

People start the whole "never buy Sony" whine again. Well, I disagree there, but that's simply because I own a PS3 myself for 2.5 years now and totally love it.

Still, the real problem here is that the hacking people simply didn't do their homework. Thanks to the "American culture" (yes, this is a cynical remark) almost everything needs to be covered in some EULA because if it isn't companies risk that morons ("Real Americans" ?) for suing them for hundreds if not millions of dollars whenever something "bad" happens. "Help, my son shot a police officer after he had been playing GTA IV for a week. Its all the games fault! We''ll SUE!".

And so you need to comply to a EULA. A process which companies like Sony picked up quite well by including a whole lot of extra stuff you need to agree on before playing can commence. A list so long that hardly anyone reads it.

Here is your problem right there.

These guys should at least have read the EULA so that they knew what they got themselves into. Better yet: should have worked their way around it. Yes, it can be done, because there are loopholes in there. It isn't easy, it takes a lot of time to read, comprehend and work out a strategy, but it can be done.

I agree that the police invasion is a bit over the top, but you know what they say: "Mess with the big boys and...".

Sorry, I think they should have done their homework.

Re:Should have read/used the EULA (1)

Barryke (772876) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298828)

I'm very much against Sony in this case. By chance, I already decided to not buy anything Sony. Lock-in fileformats, rootkits, Featureslack..

1) I do OWN my PS3. I do whatever i want with it. (Netherlands, won it via contest)
2) They removed features (pick one: OtherOS / PSN) which where pitched and used as selling points.

1 = I am not doing anything wrong by either examining the hardware and/or software. I'm not doing anything wrong by sharing my findings (be it not copyrighted or trademarked and thus deposited information).
2 = Sony is doing something illegal.

If i want to put Linux on my PS3, i may. If i enable Linux to communicate with some chip, i may. I'm glad these guys descide to distribute it.

As far as piracy argument goes: PS3 games are pretty crappy. I was a fanboy at launch, and glad i never bought one since i won one in 2010. There's really only 2 games on PS3 that are decent (and cannot enjoyed on other platforms): LittleBigPlanet and GranTurismo5 (stupid game still.. a waste of money) and i am not inclined in the slightest to download crappy games.

Police? WTF? (1)

gravis777 (123605) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298672)

I can't pull up the article - web category blocked, so maybe this is explained in the article, but why are local police getting involved in these hacking cases? Shouldn't this be a job for federal investigators - ie, FBI or similar organization, depending on country? This isn't the first story I have seen like this. It seems to me that local police are overstepping the bounds of their jurisdiction in cases such as this. Just a thought.

Any suggestions... (1)

ardle (523599) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298714)

for a strategy other than protectionism?
Yeah, I know: "free" (not as in beer) - but how can we make that "pay"? And who gets paid?

wikilaks next? (1)

bakamorgan (1854434) | more than 3 years ago | (#35298736)

Now they just need to release the key for that huge super file from wikileaks....which probably won't amount to a hill of beans. Well besides the fact showing how corrput our govt is and other companys, but hey it's not like we didn't know that already. release the krakon
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