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Iran Claims Two New Supercomputers

CmdrTaco posted more than 3 years ago | from the good-thing-we-don't-export-crypto dept.

Supercomputing 110

dcblogs writes "Iran President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad announced development of two supercomputers Wednesday. Iranian government news media published a photo spread of one the systems it claims is capable of 89 teraflops, which is far short of the petascale systems in the US and China. There's no independent verification of Iran's claim. But after the Stuxnet attack, Iran may be trying for an IT comeback via supercomputing or just trying to show it is in control as regional unrest spreads. Iran says the new systems will make the global Top 500 supercomputing listing, but it hasn't submitted a Linpack benchmark to the list organizers."

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I claim (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35299960)

first post.

Hey Iran, How are your Computers Doing? (1)

spun (1352) | more than 3 years ago | (#35301682)

"They're SUPER, thanks for asking!
All things considered they couldn't be better
I must say
They're feeling super
No bugs inside them
Everything is super when you're -
don’t you think they look cute in this rack?"

Re:Hey Iran, How are your Computers Doing? (1)

butalearner (1235200) | more than 3 years ago | (#35302730)

I'm so sorry, Mr. Stuxnet
But we just don't know how to fix you right now
But they're feeling so insanely super
Even the fact that they can't run can't bring us down

Wow... such crap (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35300026)

I have to say I am surprised that they are using Stuper Micro crap to build their HPC.... what a joke!

Re:Wow... such crap (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35300094)

Except those are just generic boxes (same that super micro use) so I'm not sure what you are complaining about. It says in the article that they are from a UAE vendor, because if they were from super micro, they would have the US export control after them.

Re:Wow... such crap (1)

jschmitz (607083) | more than 3 years ago | (#35302094)

What do you expect SGI Altix? they are peasants

This doesn't really surprise me... (4, Interesting)

sesshomaru (173381) | more than 3 years ago | (#35300040)

Iran has a halfway decent computer industry, they even make computer games:

http://www.questofpersia.com/main/index.html [questofpersia.com]

Re:This doesn't really surprise me... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35300462)

That game looks cool. Unfortunately, I am way too afraid of my government linking me to "terrorism" for buying it.

Re:This doesn't really surprise me... (0)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 3 years ago | (#35300624)

do you think iranian games have a hot coffee mod?

and if they do, is the nominally exciting part the nudity and sex, or the minilevel where you get to throw stones at the adulterous apostates until they are dead?

Re:This doesn't really surprise me... (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35300844)


do you think iranian games have a hot coffee mod?

Yes, they do! It causes the woman's burkha to fall off as images of Allah fucking a pig float around in the background.

Re:This doesn't really surprise me... (1)

Sulphur (1548251) | more than 3 years ago | (#35301994)

do you think iranian games have a hot coffee mod?

and if they do, is the nominally exciting part the nudity and sex, or the minilevel where you get to throw stones at the adulterous apostates until they are dead?

Yes, they have a donut holder on the dash, and they achieve a petro-flop.

--

I thought you would never ask.

Re:This doesn't really surprise me... (2)

phantomcircuit (938963) | more than 3 years ago | (#35302314)

Iran has a halfway decent computer industry, they even make well hidden trojan horses:

http://www.questofpersia.com/main/index.html [questofpersia.com]

Fixed that for ya

Re:This doesn't really surprise me... (1)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 3 years ago | (#35303312)

Unlike American games which have never shipped with any undesirable software whatsoever.

Re:This doesn't really surprise me... (1)

Betaemacs (1737586) | more than 3 years ago | (#35303484)

I'll just leave this here http://www.americasarmy.com/ [americasarmy.com]

Re:This doesn't really surprise me... (1)

sesshomaru (173381) | more than 3 years ago | (#35304816)

It's illegal to export those to the US, due to US laws. The most popular game over there for a long time was Prince of Persia.

Re:This doesn't really surprise me... (1)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 3 years ago | (#35303222)

Looks interesting, I'll have to download the trailers when I get home.

Re:This doesn't really surprise me... (1)

sesshomaru (173381) | more than 3 years ago | (#35304908)

My favorite trailer is the one for "End of the Innocence" (about the Iran/Iraq War). It's entertainingly odd...

Re:This doesn't really surprise me... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35307408)

Making games is something, building super computer is something else.
The only project I know for super computers in Iran is lead by the IPM institute in there which is the top scientific organization in Tehran.
They were working on making a super computer by using enormous number of play station threes (at least 1.5 years ago they were seriously working on it).
This news I think is not correct, with Ahmadinejad's reputation in lying I definitely reject it.

Because the FIRST place you think of (2)

v1 (525388) | more than 3 years ago | (#35300050)

one the systems it claims is capable of 89 teraflops, which is far short of the petascale systems in the U.S. and China

Because the FIRST place you think of when you hear "supercomputer" is, of course, Iran.

but it hasn't submitted a Linpack benchmark to the list organizers.

A simple oversight I'm sure. But then we have a state controlled media vs a non state-controlled Linpack so...

Re:Because the FIRST place you think of (1)

jschmitz (607083) | more than 3 years ago | (#35302028)

I don't disagree with you in the least - however linpack numbers mean little - you can string a shitload of iphones together and get good linpack numbers that said their claim is far short of being impressive anyways - my first thought looking at the pics is those people look like a total pain in the ass wtf are they all doing anyways?? I work in an HPC environment and we have a third of those people running global clusters - jackasses

Ok Pretty Neat (5, Insightful)

Ancantus (1926920) | more than 3 years ago | (#35300070)

Ok so I can understand why they would want to have a supercomputer or 2. They must have a lot of computational work being done (building nuclear weapons is pretty technically demanding stuff, so I have heard). But of all the reasons to have a supercomputer the summary states.

But after the Stuxnet attack, Iran may be trying for an IT comeback via supercomputing

Comeback via supercomputing? What does that even mean?

Re:Ok Pretty Neat (1)

trollertron3000 (1940942) | more than 3 years ago | (#35300142)

They may be trying to bring back dumb terminals? It's the future of computing I guess.

Welcome to AyatollahNet, please login using your citizen #.

Re:Ok Pretty Neat (1)

marcosdumay (620877) | more than 3 years ago | (#35300424)

That's way better than PCs. Now Israel will only need to 0wn one computer, and they are done.

Re:Ok Pretty Neat (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 3 years ago | (#35300654)

Not dumb terminals thin clients using windows terminal server. From the hardware they have there it looks like they are trying to set up a 100 terminal thin client farm with windows, but that depends on the ram they have in each machine... If it's not 16 gigs then they will only support 20 terminals.

Re:Ok Pretty Neat (1)

Paspanique (1704404) | more than 3 years ago | (#35301554)

What do you think that cloud computing is and why they hope to see it flourish? You plug-in your 100$ interface directly to the net and connect to giant supra computers giving you access to data you can legally own.

  This way, it will be easier to control what you watch or play, make sure you pay your dues to the MPAA and the likes. Plus, no need to download data, everything is centralized, all they exchange are images of your session. They will need faster pipes to allow movies & video games to be seamless, but I'm pretty sure they are working hard on it. I think it's the only way they will have full control over people data and will eventually want to use it.

Of course, we'll probably always be able to use rogue hot spot to get into the matrix...but that's another story.

Re:Ok Pretty Neat (1)

olsmeister (1488789) | more than 3 years ago | (#35300150)

I think most of the computational power with regards to nuclear weapons is used for simulating nuclear explosions to find ways to enhance yields without actually performing test detonations. I think their more immediate concerns would be enriching uranium and getting the device down to a size that they could launch on a missile and reach Israel.

Re:Ok Pretty Neat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35300162)

so is oil exploration or anything else and economy might peacefully be up to, but it is of course nuclear weapons. Because you never hear anyone talking about actual oil exploration over the din of speculation about weapons. There is no evidence Iran is developing nuclear weapons on the same old tried and true Iraq has weapons of mass destruction assertions.

Re:Ok Pretty Neat (2)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 3 years ago | (#35300194)

Comeback via supercomputing? What does that even mean?

It means Stuxnet will run much faster

Re:Ok Pretty Neat (1)

mschaffer (97223) | more than 3 years ago | (#35300280)

Comeback via supercomputing? What does that even mean?

Well, a supercomputer doesn't actually have a centrifuge. There's just threads spinlocking. Stuxnet isn't as destructive here.

Petroleum Engineering's a likely application (1)

billstewart (78916) | more than 3 years ago | (#35304096)

The oil business have been users of supercomputers for a long time. A typical technique is to stick a bunch of audio sensors in the ground, blow up some explosives down in a well, and signal-process all the echoes to see what's going on geologically, in hopes that some of the structures look like the kind that have oil in them. There are lots of other petroleum applications that used to need supercomputers, such as scheduling problems, but I went to college back when "supercomputer" meant a Cray-1, which could do a blazing 136 MFLOPs, and you've probably got a cellphone that fast by now, so many of them can use more conventional hardware by now.

Re:Ok Pretty Neat (1)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 3 years ago | (#35305886)

Comeback via supercomputing? What does that even mean?

"Hey, having our refinement facilities taken out by Stuxnet may have made us look like a bunch of chumps, and yeah, that was mud on our faces, we admit. But we do have technical chops! See, here's a couple Top 500 supercomputers we built ourselves!"

That's what it means. It's about appearance and reputation.

Linpack. (1)

grub (11606) | more than 3 years ago | (#35300082)


They haven't submitted a Linpack score yet because Stuxnet has the supercomputers busy spinning some centrifuges out of control.

duh.

baiting the bear... (1)

spd_rcr (537511) | more than 3 years ago | (#35300218)

lmao
Title ought to be "Iran claims two new honeypots"
Their technicians ought to wear uniform white lab-coats with red targets on their backs..

How about some real world metrics, (5, Funny)

joeflies (529536) | more than 3 years ago | (#35300084)

like, how fast can it run StuxNet?

Would you like to play a game? (3, Funny)

DigiShaman (671371) | more than 3 years ago | (#35300086)

I'm sure it's to process all the different permutations on how to bring about the 12th Imam.

Re:Would you like to play a game? (1)

Ambitwistor (1041236) | more than 3 years ago | (#35302082)

Better that than the 9 billion names of God. We know how that turned out.

Top 500? (1)

O('_')O_Bush (1162487) | more than 3 years ago | (#35300096)

I feel like you could buy a top 500 qualifying supercomputer off the shelf from a company like Cray.

I looked it up, and this 89 Teraflop machine is less than buying 4 Cray E6 cabinets.

Watson on Jeopardy is supposedly 78 Teraflops, and it isn't even a system emphasizing processing power (it emphasizes the filtering algorithms).

Seems like much less of a feat from that perspective... :-\

Re:Top 500? (1)

stiggle (649614) | more than 3 years ago | (#35300310)

Watson on Jeopardy also had bucket loads of storage to run those filters on :-)

Beowulf, or 89 TFlops =~ 400 Playstation3's (1)

billstewart (78916) | more than 3 years ago | (#35303882)

The pictures of their computer system looks like a Beowulf Cluster of boxes, maybe 64 or 128 of them, depending on whether it's one or two rows of racks. So they're probably a fairly conventional blade-server design with a few blades per box.

SuperMicro (4, Funny)

Gumbercules!! (1158841) | more than 3 years ago | (#35300124)

Those are SuperMicro servers. I resell supermicro and as much as I love their low cost and good speed, the hardware failure rate is astronomical. They should fit in well with Iran's centrifuges. :-P

Re:SuperMicro (1)

blind biker (1066130) | more than 3 years ago | (#35300454)

Those are SuperMicro servers. I resell supermicro and as much as I love their low cost and good speed, the hardware failure rate is astronomical. They should fit in well with Iran's centrifuges. :-P

If I could, I'd mod you "Funnily informative".

Also, I hope your employer doesn't recognize your nickname. Hardware with astronomical failure rate doesn't sell well, unless it's called "Xbox 360".

Re:SuperMicro (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35302748)

Yes, the first year of the xbox was bad. They don't fail anymore, get with the times.

Re:SuperMicro (1)

blair1q (305137) | more than 3 years ago | (#35303236)

Any insight as to what CPUs they're using?

Because, afaik, all x86 CPUs are still under ITAR, so it's illegal to ship them to Iran.

Re:SuperMicro (1)

yeshuawatso (1774190) | more than 3 years ago | (#35307122)

That's what I was wondering too. In one image, you can clearly see a screen shot of Windows 7/Vista starter, but last I checked, Microsoft was bound by the same rules as everyone else selling to Iran in the US. I know there are ways around it, but this seems to violate Microsoft's own export policies and US Trade laws.

Come to think of it, would a big chunk of Linux be banned in these countries too?

Oh Shit!!!! (2)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 3 years ago | (#35300148)

The Iranians have, somehow, discovered how to use the global trade in commodity parts to build a cluster computer(consisting of suspiciously under-filled racks, with a bunch of generic 1-3U-looking compute/storage nodes, much more empty space than I would have expected, and some pretty ragged ethernet interconnects, no visible brand IDs; but the black with reddish handles on the drive caddies looks a lot like de-branded HP...)

Other than perhaps minimally-puncturing the (always false) notion that Iran is a bunch of ignorant sand-dwellers just because it is a theocracy, I'm not seeing the big deal here. Depending on the CPU/RAM specs and how many racks there actually are(the photos are fairly cagey on the subject), it very much looks as though they've managed to put a few million dollars worth of datacenter together. News to anybody who thought that Iranians spent their time wallowing in backwardness and squalor; but pretty low-rent by cluster computer standards...

Re:Oh Shit!!!! (1)

Ryanrule (1657199) | more than 3 years ago | (#35301000)

yes, amazing that they put together what is yet another line item in any megacorp.

Re:Oh Shit!!!! (1)

arielCo (995647) | more than 3 years ago | (#35301006)

I just checked out the pictures, and it looks really, really fishy. All you can see is several angles of the same 4 cabinets with 16 1U servers each and one big-ass storage array: 12 disks/cage x 8 cages/cabinet x 8 cabinets = 768 disks; at 135 GB each TOPS with 1+1 mirroring, that'd be ~ 72 TB.

Either they have a notoriously incompetent photographer, or it's the grownup version of a hastily put together science-fair mockup.

Re:Oh Shit!!!! (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 3 years ago | (#35303382)

I definitely find any claims of it being especially high performance deeply fishy, and the unveiling of it reeks of a PR stunt; but nothing about the (limited) hardware that is there looks definitely fake.

A bunch of 1-3Us, connected via rather scraggly patches from a few GigE switches to the on-motherboard GigE ports. Depending on the specs of the servers, we could be talking a few hundred cores, and a reasonable number of TB of storage...

It certainly is of abnormally low density, though. Each rack is 50% or more blanking plates, and I don't see any of the classic "cluster porn" shots of the Big Serious Core Switch [www.bsc.es] , which they would definitely show if they could. No "Stylish rack opened enough to show all 72Us of servers exuding a sense of overwhelming power" shot or "View down the rack hallway that appears to go on forever, puny meatsack" shot either.

I'd totally believe that this is a (somewhat optimistic/growth prepared) conversion of some underused university basement to support a CS department curriculum and/or the compute needs of other disciplines; but it sure isn't what the PR says it is....

Re:Oh Shit!!!! (1)

arielCo (995647) | more than 3 years ago | (#35304444)

I definitely find any claims of it being especially high performance deeply fishy, and the unveiling of it reeks of a PR stunt; but nothing about the (limited) hardware that is there looks definitely fake.

The hardware is legit, even run-of-the-mill. My first thought was that the billing system I manage (small mobile telco, 6MM users) is a lot bigger than this, except perhaps in storage. Yes, it looks halfway-cabled too, and cooling is underwhelming. That's why I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if this was a politically-motivated show.

"cluster porn" shots of the Big Serious Core Switch [www.bsc.es]

I had to check out that site, just to see what kind of iron moves that much data around. An odd place to build one, BTW. Thanks!

Re:Oh Shit!!!! (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 3 years ago | (#35304594)

I'm very fond of that particular supercomputing site. Building your giant postindustrial blinkencluster in a transparent multistory chamber inside an authentic historic chapel has way more evil genius cred than any number of white cats...

Re:Oh Shit!!!! (1)

Tynin (634655) | more than 3 years ago | (#35301476)

The servers look a lot like some of the 1U [google.com] and 2U SuperMicro's [google.com] I've worked with. In your standard 42U rack you could fit ~80 servers in each of these racks, with 2U left over for network/etc. The pictures all show a pretty large datacenter floor that is mostly empty, maybe they don't have the cooling and power in place to really load the racks up to full density? Agreed though, their layout seems odd.

Re:Oh Shit!!!! (1)

vil3nr0b (930195) | more than 3 years ago | (#35302870)

Yep, it's amazing how low rent you can get to build a supercomputer...especially with web resources and an exploitable, educated labor market. Take the United States for example... sometimes you don't even need a datacenter, just a cheap prefab building on cheap tax break land. Hire one person to be software/storage/network/admin. Then contract a hardware jockey cause noone likes doing it and we're cheap. These said two guys could build cluster using supermicro setups installed into APC cabinets, hook up the I/O, and rock n roll. Biggest cost unless your nationalized: Power/Cooling.

Easily dealt with (0)

return 42 (459012) | more than 3 years ago | (#35300290)

Just hack them to say things like "There is no Allah" or display cartoons of Mohammad. The Iranians will smash them to pieces.

Photoshop (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35300340)

Photoshopping two supercomputers into a room isn't impressive, I could do that when I was 12.

Re:Photoshop (1)

Jeng (926980) | more than 3 years ago | (#35300388)

Check the pictures, it would have been a lot more impressive if they did photoshop it. All they are showing is some half empty racks.

Oh God^WAllah, it runs Windows... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35300348)

One of the photos shows a computer running Windows 7. And we know what runs on Windows 7...

dammit slashdot (1)

Iamthecheese (1264298) | more than 3 years ago | (#35300364)

Can we PLEASE stop putting Iran down with every other comment and harping on stuxnet? It's unoriginal and uninformative. Come up with something useful to say. you're better than this.

Re:dammit slashdot (1)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 3 years ago | (#35300688)

i have no intent of denigrating the good name of the iranian people

but if the harping on stuxnet and such is a sign that there is little tolerance for the military junta/ theocracy that is the iranian government, then let a thousand disparaging comment flow. screw those basij assholes and their PR window dressing of a supercomputer

it's not like the iranian people themselves would disagree with my dim view of their government. seeing as their government has no problem massacring them if they have the audacity to demand human dignity and democracy

Re:dammit slashdot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35300972)

Wow, a cranky talking cheese.

Re:dammit slashdot (1)

Dragonslicer (991472) | more than 3 years ago | (#35301260)

It's unoriginal and uninformative. Come up with something useful to say. you're better than this.

You must be new here.

Re:dammit slashdot (1)

blair1q (305137) | more than 3 years ago | (#35303274)

I'll get him the brochure.

So? (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 3 years ago | (#35300372)

It is a cluster of PCs. Really folks you can buy Infinityband off NewEgg and build your own HPC cluster. It is one of those scary but oh so cool facts that just about anybody can build some massive computing power with off the self parts and Linux. The formula is pretty easy.
Buy X Xeon or Opteron motherboards and CPUs.
Buy enough RAM to fill all the slots.
Build a SAN "Solaris with ZFS is a good choice"
Buy some infinityband cards and switches.
Buy some Gig-e switches for the SAN.
Buy some Tesla cards or even just nVidia video cards.
Rack them.
Install Linux on the cluster nodes.
You now have a super computer. Now the hard part is to write software that uses it but even that is well documented and just takes talented, educated people.
No it will not be at the top of the list and it will not be as good as what you can buy from Cray or IBM but it will be good enough for a lot of things.

But the good news is that it looks like it will be easy to hack. I am pretty sure that the monitor they showed was running Vista or maybe Windows 7.

Re:So? (2)

rgbatduke (1231380) | more than 3 years ago | (#35301268)

Only a few tiny modifications to this otherwise dead on observation.

* Nodes don't need video, and nearly any server/cluster motherboard will have onboard cheap video anyway, so save the video cards.
* "Rack them" is a bit more than Infiniband and parts off of NewEgg. Right idea, but there is a bit of work involved in selecting racks, rackmountable chassis that will fit your motherboard and provide adequate power and cooling, mounting your motherboards by hand in the chassis, and racking them up. Not difficult but not for idiots either, and it is usually a lot easier to buy ready-to-plug-in chassis mounted nodes from the many companies that sell them (with service contracts).
* There are some subtleties in the "Install Linux" part as well. There are "cluster specific" distros that support certain kinds of supercomputing, and more general off-the-cuff Fedora or whatever. Either will work, but if you want to run a centrally managed supercomputer with the ability to do reasonably fine grained computation, there is a bit of work involved in matching up your hardware, network, operating system, cluster environment. Again, not difficult but shall we say "Expert Friendly" -- at the very least you have to be a solidly competent Linux/Unix/Network admin and sytems geek to assemble, install, and manage everything.

So there are a few hard parts even before writing the software. How hard it is to parallelize your software depends on what it is and what you want to do with it. If all you want to do is run a bunch of Monte Carlo simulations in parallel to get good cumulative statistics, it's bone simple and you don't need any fancy version of Linux, OTC Debian or Fedora or whatever will work fine. If you want to solve tightly coupled astrophysics problems involving massively distributed solutions to sets of coupled ODEs, well, that's a real chore and you have to think about it BEFORE you go buy all that hardware at NewEgg.

Then there is the infrastructure -- power and AC -- which might well be a problem in Iraq. It won't do to have the power go down just before your three week long computation finishes, and AC failures can destroy your entire cluster overnight.

The point is that building your own beowulf, while easy enough for geeks, is still a bit of an engineering chore and works better if you have experience and/or expert help. The cluster in the picture looks like it is the size of a midrange University cluster in the US, hardly even worth submitting to the Top500 list.

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Re:So? (1)

mangu (126918) | more than 3 years ago | (#35301582)

* Nodes don't need video, and nearly any server/cluster motherboard will have onboard cheap video anyway, so save the video cards.

I guess he meant video cards for GPGPU [wikipedia.org] , not for video itself.

Re:So? (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 3 years ago | (#35301652)

"Nodes don't need video, and nearly any server/cluster motherboard will have onboard cheap video anyway, so save the video cards." True but Tesla cards are not available on NewEgg but high end nVidia cards are. Just thinking of GPGPU acceleration which is why I picked nVidia since suport for user programming ATI video cards is a bit lacking. Plus Iran trying to buy a bunch of Tesla cards might cause a stir. But you are correct that they would be optional.
BTW one day I am going to see if I can offload SSL to the onboard GPU. Seems like it maybe a good use of the a resource that is hardly used.
  The Racking part does involve knowledge but for a cluster of this nature I would suspect it to be no harder than your standard datacenter. Plus Iran isn't a that bad when it comes to infrastructure. Yes you would really want a cluster friendly friendly distro but those are available.
I agree that most places would be better off buying a system but if you didn't want the hassle of dealing with export controls you can build a supercomputer today with easy to get off the self parts. Heck if you can live with the lower interconnect speeds then even Giga-E is workable. So yes I simplified the details a bit but you get the general idea.

So only 8 systems per rack? (1)

Fallen Kell (165468) | more than 3 years ago | (#35300586)

Someone is trying to make it look a lot bigger than it actually is. They can condense 4 of those racks into 1 and still have plenty of room for some airflow spacing around the systems as well as network and KVM. More propoganda. Anyone also notice all the empty racks?

Re:So only 8 systems per rack? (1)

_generica (27453) | more than 3 years ago | (#35306920)

Data Centre may have a max power per cabinet restriction. Very common, and forces you to spread what could be a one rack system over multiple racks.

The Middle East burns... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35300680)

and once again, as he has during his entire political career when things get thorny, Obammy votes, "Present!" The man is so spineless that if it weren't for the starch in his shirt he would flop right over on his teleprompter. It takes President Sockpuppet and Secretary Pantsuit a week to issue a mealy-mouthed condemnation of the murderous dictator Gaddafi, but only a few hours for him to issue his strong support to public union thugs in Minnesota who are sucking the state's coffers dry. One has to wonder if President Zero is actually in favor of a Pan-Arab state headed by Iran, and if he's deliberately formenting unrest here in the US with his whimsical closing of oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico and his deliberate pitting of unions against the rest of us. Don't be surprised when the global situation gets much worse, and Obumbler proposes a united world government as the solution to the problem.

to everyone (1)

nimbius (983462) | more than 3 years ago | (#35300828)

touting this as state propaganda, or a stuxnet comeback, remember the US did this with the tupolev aircraft around the middle of the cold war. Speculators consistently misjudged and underestimated it until it had overtaken many of americas long-range bombers in speed and range. To this day the tupolev still sees service in many european and baltic countries.

just because something first world comes from a country you've marginalized as third world, doesnt mean it isnt a neat idea or an interesting endeavor. Countries america has sought to demonize in the past such as russia, have consistently met or exceeded western social and technological standards with things like free mass public transit, lower mortality rates, and in the case of our soviet friends technological advances such as the first LED light, the first lunar robotic moon rover and manned space flight.

congratulations are in order, slashdot, for we are nerds and this is newsworthy of nerds. Iran has built a supercomputer, and naturally your first question should be "will it run linpac," not "are they building the evil muslim nukes." My questions to the scientists would be, how fast is it? what is it built from? will you use it to perhaps enhance your recent satellite projects and nuclear medical program, or is the supercomputer open to time slots like a university?

Re:to everyone (1)

blair1q (305137) | more than 3 years ago | (#35303316)

congratulations are in order,

Okay. Great. "Nice freeways, Mr. Hitler. Now, if you don't mind just stepping in range of this briefcase..."

Launch Kiki at them (1)

RogueWarrior65 (678876) | more than 3 years ago | (#35300982)

I think we need to launch Kiki Stockhammer at Iran. That'll show 'em who's boss.

What's the threshold between super and not super? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35301060)

Making the top500 list? 'Super' is a moving target. Shouldn't it be if you are within x% of #1 you have a super?

Imagine a beowulf cluster... (1)

swamp boy (151038) | more than 3 years ago | (#35301154)

Sounds like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has already done just that.

Interesting (1)

certain death (947081) | more than 3 years ago | (#35301168)

It looks as if the Super Computer is running Windows 7 from the screen shots.

A-Bomb Simulation (1)

iiiears (987462) | more than 3 years ago | (#35301176)

Useful unless your 1000 centrifuges were recently damaged by a scada internet worm... Stuxnet - is the remaining nuclear material loaded on two iranian warships routed throught the suez canal and bound for france/italy?

Maybe... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35301216)

Maybe they believed the hype in the Apple ads and bought two Apple G5s! After all, according to Apple, the PowerPC is a SUPERCOMPUTER, as opposed to the snail-like intels.

These supercomputers are hardened against EMP (1)

Phizzle (1109923) | more than 3 years ago | (#35301220)

by cleverly making the computing mechanism out of a combination of sturdy wooden frames, non conductive wires, and stone beads. Both systems, the SUCABA 1 and SUCABA 2 are reported to be scalable well beyond the initially reported 89 teraflops, however they would require additional space, well beyond the 77,600 square kilometers of the Kavir-e Namak desert they presently occupy.

Do they have Quad Core? Do they have Thunderbolt? (2)

PinchDuck (199974) | more than 3 years ago | (#35301258)

The Steve is not impressed.

The last photo (1)

incubuz1980 (450713) | more than 3 years ago | (#35301462)

Has anyone had a closer look at the last photo?
They all look angry or unhappy.

For extra credit:
Add thought bubbles.

destination... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35301508)

Probably to be used as a "Weather Computer" hehe

Wow those staged PR pics were shot in such haste.. (1)

Phizzle (1109923) | more than 3 years ago | (#35301510)

Couple of the chairs in one of the lower photos still have plastic wrappings on them!

I don't understand... (1)

uglyMood (322284) | more than 3 years ago | (#35301556)

TWO Iranian supercomputers and nobody's made a Photoshop joke yet?

Re:I don't understand... (1)

uglyMood (322284) | more than 3 years ago | (#35301594)

Oops! Missed it up there. Thank you, Slashdot, for restoring my faith in humanity.

I'd hate to see the case badges (1)

SleepyHappyDoc (813919) | more than 3 years ago | (#35301602)

Islam Inside?

Re:I'd hate to see the case badges (1)

blair1q (305137) | more than 3 years ago | (#35303468)

Iranian claims... (1)

fahrbot-bot (874524) | more than 3 years ago | (#35301622)

Like they claimed launching four missiles in this faked photo [nytimes.com] back in 2008?

Re:Iranian claims... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35302064)

Wow, another idiot who not only did not even bother looking at the pictures, but also ignored comments by everyone else that the racks are half full and looks like a small datacenter.

NOTHING WAS PHOTOSHOPPED YOU FUCKING MORON.

English (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35301832)

And on the off chance anyone wants to read it in English:

http://www.mehrnews.com/en/newsdetail.aspx?NewsID=1260126

Don't Panic! (1)

snookiex (1814614) | more than 3 years ago | (#35301956)

I saw the pics and they're running Windows 7

Shenanigans (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35302032)

If you look closely at the pictures, there are two rows of racks, and one of them is empty. The rest of the pictures are of the same row of racks from four different angles trying to make the data center look larger. You can tell something is up by the "clever" photography.

e.g.
(only two rows in data center)
picture 1 : empty row of racks in foreground, 2 people standing in front of full row
picture 3 : picture taken from other end of room, full row now in foreground, empty row in background

(all pictures taken in front of the same row of racks)
picture 4 : guy walking in front of "full" row of racks
picture 6 : same guy standing at end of the SAME row
picture 8 : now he has a friend!!! two guys standing at end of SAME row

You can tell they are the same row because the first rack of nodes is missing a node at the bottom, and the loops of yellow ethernet in the first cabinet are identical.

Looks like they are using standard x86 hardware. I count 71 compute nodes in the pictures. Even if you max each one of those with CPUs and quadruple the number of nodes visible in the pictures (unlikely), you are still nowhere near 89 Teraflops.

P.S. many private research universities in the US have vastly more computational power.... hell many private citizens (myself included) have a respectable fraction of that compute power in their basements!

'nix benchmarks (1)

Compaqt (1758360) | more than 3 years ago | (#35303178)

Speaking of benchmarks, is UnixBench [google.com] useful for 'nix benchmarking?

Are there any others that are better?

PS3 cluster? (1)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 3 years ago | (#35303356)

89 Teraflops = ~45 PS3s.

SETI at home (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35303774)

The supercomputer is probably a cluster composed of all of the domestic (and probably foreign) rooter machines.

Trade embargo (2)

Jordan (jman) (212384) | more than 3 years ago | (#35303948)

As far as I know, don't we still have a trade embargo with Iran? If so, how are they using Supermicro servers and Windows 7? They are both U.S. companies.

Re:Trade embargo (1)

Jeng (926980) | more than 3 years ago | (#35305016)

That was actually touched on a couple times in the article.

It mentions that Iran does have to get their components via the black market and that previously these purchases got routed via the EAU to Iran.

And my middle name is Santa (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35305848)

I see a lot of 3/4 empty computer racks. I see something devised to make something minor appear impressive. Why waste the space and submit to cable unnecessary lengthening which buys nothing but latency. And to that end I see 1x1Gb Cat5/6 cables on the backs of each of those racks into each node. Wow, we're talking super computer interface there. Anybody who has ever seen a real super computer can look at this and call it for the photo-op it is. There is nothing of substance here at all.

Iran only developed one supercomputer... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35305984)

and photoshopped it to look like two.

Don't disagree! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35307172)

The only problem with an Iranian supercomputer is it will blow itself up in your face if you don't believe it's results!

Cool! (1)

atomicbutterfly (1979388) | more than 3 years ago | (#35307418)

Now they'll be able to Photoshop their missile tests in record time!

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