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New Apple MacBook Pro Reviewed

timothy posted more than 3 years ago | from the not-yer-daddy's-laptop dept.

Portables (Apple) 627

adeelarshad82 writes "As fate would have it, an Intel chipset glitch delayed shipments of almost every laptop manufacturer, save one. Apple, which has typically been last in transitioning to new technology, is now among the first to launch laptops with Sandy Bridge. The Apple MacBook Pro (Thunderbolt) is the fastest laptop out there. Powered with a Quad-core Core i7 processor and AMD Radeon HD 6750M, the MacBook Pro has a lot of fire power to offer. Unfortunately though it is still a bit expensive and there is a lack of Thunderbolt devices to take advantage of the new interface."

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Uh oh (2, Insightful)

clang_jangle (975789) | more than 3 years ago | (#35327142)

Apple, which has typically been last in transitioning to new technology

It's bad news when TFS is a troll.

Re:Uh oh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35327162)

I've got one already and it is 157% faster. Even then Ubuntu.

Re:Uh oh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35327186)

I've got one already and it is 157% faster. Even then Ubuntu.

On the Mac It's called iUbuntu.

Re:Uh oh (1)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 3 years ago | (#35327226)

On the Mac It's called iUbuntu.

That sounds like a somewhat dirty double-entendre.

Afro Grease (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35327184)

i want to know something so i will explain the conundrum and then ask the question.

recently i was about to go swimming in an indoor pool at a hotel. you could see the clear clean water and it looked real appealing. then a whole bunch of black people jumped in the pool. they did not stay long and maybe they swam for 20 minutes. after they left you could easily see a dull film of grease floating on the surface of the water. it was real obvious when the sunlight reflected off the water. it was definitely not there before the black people showed up.

i did not know what the hell that grease was or how hard it might be to scrub off. i just knew i did not want to be coated in it. i knew for damn sure i did not want to swim there anymore so i guess they ruined it for me. but i do have a lingering question. somebody settle this question for me. i cannot figure it out. is that grease naturally occurring and produced by the black person's body? or is it some kind of product they apply and they just happen to really love being oily like maybe shea butter or something?

please do not use the n-word or anything like that. i do not mean any insult against black people. i just do not understand some things about them. i do not like ignorance so i am asking an honest question.

Re:Afro Grease (0)

Datamonstar (845886) | more than 3 years ago | (#35327442)

You're off the fucking topic and obvious troll, but I'll shoot back at you. Black hair is dry and brittle so it needs to be oiled. Otherwise it breaks, looks terrible and induces dry scalp. Any more questions?

Oh, and here's a tip: sunlight doesn't usually reach indoor pools, so plan your next troll more carefully.

Re:Afro Grease (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35327650)

You're off the fucking topic and obvious troll, but I'll shoot back at you. Black hair is dry and brittle so it needs to be oiled. Otherwise it breaks, looks terrible and induces dry scalp. Any more questions?

    Oh, and here's a tip: sunlight doesn't usually reach indoor pools, so plan your next troll more carefully.

thank you for a real answer but why so angry? you think it is bad i did not want to get coated with an unknown greasy substance? not my idea of fun. not my problem if people have irrational sensitivity to anything you say about black people even when you are not being inflammatory about it. i don't go around coating other people in unknown greasy substances no matter what color their skin is. all i ask is the same in return.

in fact i think it is rather rude to wear anything that is going to come off your body and get all over other people who didn't ask to have it all over them. i use a cream for sunburn that is also very greasy and messy. i have the common fucking courtesy not to smear it all over my body and then dive in a pool. i assume if other people wanted to have my sunburn cream all over them they would ask. i dont have some kind of god-given right to degrade something for everybody else and neither did they.

i mean damn, a pool like that is a shared resource. it would be different if it was a private pool in the backyard of somebody's house. then if i didnt like it i would say tough shit, its their pool, time for me to leave. but as a paying hotel guest i do not want other paying hotel guests to ruin it for me. they have no more right to it than i do. if you think that is some terrible demanding thing then let me ruin a shared resource for you sometime. i bet you wouldn't let me do that huh?

about sunlight and indoor pools.. you have heard of skylights, yes? how about windows? big open atrium like areas with lots of natural lighting are aesthetically appealing. hotel owners know this. maybe you could consider strange obscure things like skylights and windows before calling somebody a troll. that is a free tip just for you.

Re:Uh oh (3, Insightful)

PCM2 (4486) | more than 3 years ago | (#35327228)

Yeah, no kidding. This would be the Apple that invented Firewire, right? The Apple that brought networking to casual PC users? The Apple that killed off the floppy drive? The Apple that was first to trade old-school serial ports for USB? The Apple that was first to embrace 802.11b wireless? The Apple that was the first manufacturer to ship systems with Nehalem chips? I could do a Google search for "Apple was the first manufacturer" but what would be the point? That one sentence is so ludicrously off base, it makes me not want to read another word.

Re:Uh oh (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35327336)

Then don't read another word, just get back to what you were doing and get your laughing gear around Job's wrinkled old pecker once more please. Before the old turd croaks and does the internet and the computing world a big big favor.

Re:Uh oh (5, Informative)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 3 years ago | (#35327340)

Yes and no...

Apple is typically very aggressive about killing legacy things in favor of whatever new hotness they have decided on, even when customers whine about it, and they have recently been Intel's shiny launch partner of choice(so there is usually a short period of exclusivity for Intel's new hotness). They are also pretty aggressive about deciding that some feature should be 'baseline' rather than 'upgrade' at a relatively early date(this shows up with things like bluetooth today, or 802.11b back when that was optional on nastier PC laptops...) That is the yes.

The "no" is that Firewire was pretty much the last hardware standard that Apple had a major hand in. USB? Appeared on PC motherboards well before Apple ones(it was Intel's baby after all), Apple was just the first to burn the legacy options. 802.11b? All of Apple's 1st gen gear was rebadged Lucent off-the shelf stuff. Apple made it an available consumer option while Lucent was still squeezing the enterprise guys; but that was pure sticker engineering? Killed off the floppy? The first to stop offering it across the board, possibly; but you've been able to spec PCs without floppies well back into Apple's beige era. 64bit desktops? Hello AMD, 3D cards? Apple's selections are always archaic, even now that they are an Intel shop. etc, etc.

By virtue of their disinterest in coddling legacy users and low price points, Apple does, certainly, come up a lot on the "pushed technology X into ubiquity within their product line by murdering its predecessors and making it a standard option" list. However, the list of "was actually first" is substantially shorter, especially in more recent years. The list of "invented here, rather than launch partnered here" is shorter still, especially these days.

They undoubtedly do adopt-and-polish quite well; but their actual degree of pioneering needs to be kept in perspective.

Re:Uh oh (0)

Smooth and Shiny (1097089) | more than 3 years ago | (#35327512)

I say things like this and get modded "troll" around here. Funny... haha, fucking Apple fanboys. Sorry that your Gods at Apple, Inc. aren't everything you like to delude yourselves into thinking they are.

Re:Uh oh (0)

nedlohs (1335013) | more than 3 years ago | (#35327660)

And of course it's not your fault that you can't express yourself clearly, given that post you replied is has been modded up twice and down zero times (so far anyway).

Re:Uh oh (4, Insightful)

nedlohs (1335013) | more than 3 years ago | (#35327678)

The claim was "last in transitioning to new technology".

Just adding the new technology and keeping the old isn't transitioning. Apple has often been first in dumping the old and hence first to transition - though really it's been due to them being small enough and being the monopoly producer so that they could much more easily. If Dell decided to make some of those changes a big chunk of their customers would just buy from HP instead, for example.

Re:Uh oh (0)

Wyatt Earp (1029) | more than 3 years ago | (#35327356)

Don't forget consumer level digital video editing with iMovie and mastering to DVD with iDVD.

When iDVD and SuperDrives came out it cut the price of a DVD mastering workstation by 80%. One day they were $10,000 dollars and then they were $2000.

Someone is going to go "but XY had USB only on the XY-495 that they sold two weeks before iMac. And ZB had 802.11b on the ZB-A9 ten days before."

Re:Uh oh (5, Insightful)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#35327410)

So? It's legitimate to point out that only very rarely is Apple first at anything, most of the time they prefer to wait for a market to be at a tipping point before releasing a product. There's nothing inherently wrong with it, it's just disingenuous to suggest that Apple is an innovator, it's been a good long while since they were doing much more than perfecting something that somebody else did first, which is a much easier task.

Re:Uh oh (2, Insightful)

gad_zuki! (70830) | more than 3 years ago | (#35327456)

Err, Apple also brought us the one button mouse, fought USB as long as it could, and everytime I go to a meeting someone yells "anyone got a displayport adapter to vga so I can use this projector?" Not to mention some of us still need serial ports on our computers, but I guess that's beside the point.

Not to mention PC makers have had the option to not install the floppy years before Apple mandated it. That AMD really brought us into the 64 bit era, and that wifi was not at all an Apple thing. Or that I can buy a Dell Zino that does HDMI and Bluray for half the price of a Mac mini.

Look, relax, theyre just a company. They're not some perfect religion. Comments like yours just justify the Apple fanboy stereotype. Unclench, everything will be ok. Jobs is still alive and a massive millionaire.

Re:Uh oh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35327648)

That AMD really brought us into the 64 bit era,

My Alpha begs to differ there. What AMD did do, was saddle the computing world to that damned x86 instruction set for longer.

Re:Uh oh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35327646)

Still waiting for Apple to support BluRay, TRIM, etc.

Re:Uh oh (1)

reeno49 (1558221) | more than 3 years ago | (#35327330)

Apple, which has typically been last in transitioning to new technology

It's bad news when TFS is a troll.

That doesn't sound much like trolling to me, if you consider that Apple (more specifically Steve Jobs) refuses to allow USB 3.0 or even SATA 6GB/s. It seems to me that every new motherboard out there is supporting both of these standards (though one could argue that they're not standards until completely accepted, which Apple clearly hasn't done, but I digress).

Either way... my new PC absolutely WILL have USB 3.0 and SATA 6GB/s. Enjoy your iStuff. I'll enjoy top transfer speeds. ;)

Re:Uh oh (1, Insightful)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | more than 3 years ago | (#35327350)

"That doesn't sound much like trolling to me, if you consider that Apple (more specifically Steve Jobs) refuses to allow USB 3.0 or even SATA 6GB/s."

Of course they did... because they were working on getting "Thunderbolt", which is better than both. A new technology. Which they will have for a year before anyone else.

Re:Uh oh (1)

Dare nMc (468959) | more than 3 years ago | (#35327438)

>"Thunderbolt", which is better than both

Sure, if you want any device plugged into your expansion port to have full root access to all of your data [theregister.co.uk] If on the other hand you want to be able to know you can safely connect someone elses camera/USB type drive to your laptop without fear, then you will still want USB ports.

Re:Uh oh (1)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | more than 3 years ago | (#35327668)

Something that can easily be fixed in software, and they have a good part of a year to do it, since nothing but Apple products yet have the interface.

Re:Uh oh (1)

DurendalMac (736637) | more than 3 years ago | (#35327482)

Except that Thunderbolt -> USB3 and eSATA 6GB/s (and just about everything else under the sun) will be showing up shortly.

Re:Uh oh (3, Insightful)

drsmithy (35869) | more than 3 years ago | (#35327366)

It's bad news when TFS is a troll.

Seems pretty accurate to me. Most new technology (eg: CPUs, GPUs, memory types, etc) are on the market for months (at least) before Apple picks them up. They tend to keep older technology around for longer, as well (eg: Mac Mini still has a Core 2 Duo).

The rare counter-examples (eg: Firewire, Mini-DP) are rarely found outside of the Mac ecosystem.

That's before even going into the technology other vendors have that they stubbornly refuse to implement. Like, say, a docking station for their ostensibly "professional" laptops.

Makes sense (2)

rekoil (168689) | more than 3 years ago | (#35327190)

I can't imagine how Macbook shipments would be affected, given the flaw only affected SATA ports beyond the first two. Presuming that SATA devices linked through Thunderbolt don't count either.

Re:Makes sense (2)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 3 years ago | (#35327230)

There was a previous article that made Slashdot to the effect that Intel had, at the request of certain unnamed customers(clearly including, though not necessarily limited to) Apple, resumed shipping the flawed P67 chips on the condition that they be used only in products where the 4 affected ports would be irrelevant.

Speculation at the time was, as seemed logical, that this was basically a reflection of the fact that all the OEMs didn't want to hold up their laptop releases for something that basically only affected desktops and huge DTR beasts.

Re:Makes sense (1)

drsmithy (35869) | more than 3 years ago | (#35327378)

Speculation at the time was, as seemed logical, that this was basically a reflection of the fact that all the OEMs didn't want to hold up their laptop releases for something that basically only affected desktops and huge DTR beasts.

Most PC laptops these days have at least 3 SATA ports on them (internal HDD, internal optical, eSATA).

Re:Makes sense (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 3 years ago | (#35327416)

That is pretty common; but the eSATA port seems to show up in eSATA/USB "eSATAp" form. As best I can tell, you can get USB connectors that will fill exactly the same board holes as eSATAp connectors, just not making contact with the SATA signal lines. It means dropping a bullet point; but it makes redesign a snap if you don't mind doing so. If you do mind, you'd have to do the slightly more costly work of putting a third party controller or port multiplier on board.

I don't know which way any individual outfit chose to go; but they certainly had that option.

Re:Makes sense (1)

drsmithy (35869) | more than 3 years ago | (#35327462)

If you do mind, you'd have to do the slightly more costly work of putting a third party controller or port multiplier on board.

It might not be just costly, it might be impossible. I can't imagine there's a lot of board space left in a 12" laptop.

Basically, Apple is getting the jump on everyone else because they offer fewer features.

A BIT expensive?! (4, Insightful)

Shivetya (243324) | more than 3 years ago | (#35327192)

It costs $2199 which for many means an additional $150 for the screen resolution it should have as default. Worse that $150 is the only way to get a non-glossy screen. So lets just say 2349 to get off the ground. Want a three year warranty? Considering your down 2349 its worth it to pay off the risk of that, but at 349 its 15% of the cost of the laptop.

Then you can go on with the extras beyond those two requirements. Sorry, in a day when you can buy a laptop for under 399 these premium laptops are absurd. I know you get what you pay for, but you really don't. The price difference stops somewhere well south of this things price point. This is like saying you need a Porsche for your commute because parking at Starbucks in a Chevy is so not your perceived status.

Don't get me wrong, I have an iMac, but I can at least see some of the value in its 27 inch screen. I can't find the value in their laptops. I know other companies make expensive laptops but damn, there are near equivalents for 90% of the apps most people will run for half this price let alone a quarter.

Amazing laptops in the range of workstation prices (looking at the real Mac Pros - the tower units).

Re:A BIT expensive?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35327282)

there are near equivalents for 90% of the apps most people will run for a quarter of this price let alone a half

Fixed that for you.

Amazing how many people get the "X let alone Y" thing the wrong way round.

Re:A BIT expensive?! (5, Insightful)

znu (31198) | more than 3 years ago | (#35327290)

Do some people buy MacBook Pros as status symbols? I'm sure they do. But some of us work in pro video. There are people who legitimately need high-end laptops, and a lot of them, because of Apple's strength in the creative pro market, use Macs.

With quad core processors and tons of external bandwidth over Thunderbolt, these new MBPs are game changing for pro video, or will be once a couple of TB devices hit the market. For instance, TB is fast enough to hook up both a RAID capable of handling multiple 1080p video streams and a video interface capable of doing uncompressed HD output to a broadcast monitor. This makes these pretty much the first laptops ever (outside of crazy hack jobs, maybe) that can plausibly replace towers for working with uncompressed HD video formats. That's pretty handy.

Re:A BIT expensive?! (2)

drsmithy (35869) | more than 3 years ago | (#35327394)

With quad core processors and tons of external bandwidth over Thunderbolt, these new MBPs are game changing for pro video, or will be once a couple of TB devices hit the market. For instance, TB is fast enough to hook up both a RAID capable of handling multiple 1080p video streams and a video interface capable of doing uncompressed HD output to a broadcast monitor. This makes these pretty much the first laptops ever (outside of crazy hack jobs, maybe) that can plausibly replace towers for working with uncompressed HD video formats. That's pretty handy.

If you're going to be chained to a RAID array, why would you use a laptop when an equivalent desktop is going to be around twice as fast ?

Re:A BIT expensive?! (0)

RzUpAnmsCwrds (262647) | more than 3 years ago | (#35327602)

Do some people buy MacBook Pros as status symbols? I'm sure they do. But some of us work in pro video. There are people who legitimately need high-end laptops, and a lot of them, because of Apple's strength in the creative pro market, use Macs.

I am willing to bet you that maybe 1 in 10 MacBook Pro users are in the pro photography or video markets. There just aren't that many people who do this for a living relative to the number of Mac buyers.

And I might add that buying a Mac because you need it for professional video editing doesn't make the Mac not overpriced as a piece of hardware. The fact that Final Cut and other Apple tools have become the industry standard in many shops just means that you're being forced to pay more for your hardware so it can run the software you want to use. If your organization feels that the additional cost is worth the value that the Apple software provides, that's a reasonable decision. But it's the same situation that people who buy Quadro cards for CAD are in - you're paying more for compatibility with the tools you want/need to use, not for the hardware.

$2000 is very, very expensive for a laptop. Period. You can get a high-quality, durable PC laptop like a ThinkPad T510 for around $900.

Re:A BIT expensive?! (2, Insightful)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 3 years ago | (#35327294)

Sorry, in a day when you can buy a laptop for under 399 these premium laptops are absurd. I know you get what you pay for, but you really don't.

How much does that $399 laptop weigh? How thick is it? How long is the battery life?

Have you noticed that the manufacturers of those $399 laptops also sell much more expensive laptops that, at least by the very narrow logic you seem to be following, don't spec out any higher? Do you ever criticize those, or are they given immunity because they aren't of Apple manufacture?

Apple simply doesn't try to compete in the 2-inch thick, 9-pound, short-battery-life segment of the laptop market. Not everyone carries about weight or size - but some of us do. Speaking for myself, I now happily pay a premium for lighter laptops - based largely on the fact that my first laptop was one of those 2-inch thick, 9-pound, short-battery-life beasts that, after a while, I stopped carrying around because it was too much of a pain in the neck (figuratively and literally).

Re:A BIT expensive?! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35327500)

Hey Apple fanboy, please find a 9 pound laptop that is two inches thick for us.

K thx

Love,

Reality

Re:A BIT expensive?! (2, Insightful)

msauve (701917) | more than 3 years ago | (#35327592)

Apple simply doesn't try to compete in the 2-inch thick, 9-pound, short-battery-life segment of the laptop market. ... my first laptop was one of those 2-inch thick, 9-pound, short-battery-life beasts

Was that the Apple Powerbook 540c (2.3" thick, 7.3 lbs, not counting the power supply)?

Re:A BIT expensive?! (5, Informative)

RzUpAnmsCwrds (262647) | more than 3 years ago | (#35327658)

Apple simply doesn't try to compete in the 2-inch thick, 9-pound, short-battery-life segment of the laptop market. Not everyone carries about weight or size - but some of us do.

You're just making up numbers. The only " 2-inch thick, 9-pound" laptops are 17" beasts designed for gaming, and they don't cost $399. Most of the 399 laptops are in the 5 to 6 lb range and are about 1.25in thick. Most of them have reasonable battery life too, at least 4 hours.

How about this? You can get a ThinkPad T410 for under $1000 with an i5 and 6 hour battery life that weighs less than 5 lbs.

I'm about to buy a T420s, which will cost around $1300 with a Sandy Bridge i5 and a higher resolution display than the 15" MacBook Pro. And it's thinner. And it weighs almost 2lbs less.

There is no getting around the fact that Apple's laptops are very, very expensive.

The build quality / durability argument doesn't hold because top-tier business laptops (ThinkPad T-series, EliteBook, Latitude E-series) now go for under $1000 and most have passed MIL Spec tests for vibration/drops/dust/etc (which the MacBook has not).

The performance argument doesn't hold because PCs and Macs now use the same Intel chipsets and CPUs, so the performance is the same.

The weight/size argument doesn't hold because you can get PCs with the same performance that are as small and light as the MacBook Pro - or in some cases lighter and smaller. The ThinkPad T420s is lighter (by almost a pound) and thinner than the MacBook Pro 13 and it has the same Sandy Bridge dual-core CPUs.

So we're left with the OS, the design, and some other features like a higher-contrast-ratio LCD. If you are willing to pay more for that, that's your decision. But stop trying to pretend that you aren't paying a big premium for those features.

You're buying the PC equivalent of a a Lexus. Yes, it's nicer than the Toyota that costs half as much. It's not twice as nice, though. And trying to pretend that it's somehow justified from a value standpoint is stupid.

Re:A BIT expensive?! (0)

MartinSchou (1360093) | more than 3 years ago | (#35327334)

Sorry, in a day when you can buy a laptop for under 399 these premium laptops are absurd.

Sorry, in a day when you can buy a car for under US$ 13,000 these premium cars are absurd [porsche.com]

Sorry, in a day when you can buy a TV for under US$ 100 these premium TVs are absurd [newegg.com]

If you don't want one - don't buy one. I'm fairly certain Apple isn't holding a gun to your head, forcing you to buy any of their products.

Re:A BIT expensive?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35327348)

A $2199 thing is not a status symbol unless you're in Libya or Egypt.. I think. A private jet is a status symbol.

Re:A BIT expensive?! (0)

macshit (157376) | more than 3 years ago | (#35327452)

A $2199 thing is not a status symbol unless you're in Libya or Egypt.. I think. A private jet is a status symbol.

I have no beef with Apple's laptops — I think they make great hardware — but it's pretty clear that many people buy Macbooks because they're the cool thing to have. It's not the price, of course, it's the look, and the name.

Re:A BIT expensive?! (0)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#35327458)

I disagree, that's roughly 253 hours at the local minimum wage, assuming that you don't pay any taxes to earn the thing. I think that qualifies it as a status symbol, especially given that in most areas it would be more work, and it isn't a necessity, a much cheaper laptop would do most people just fine.

Re:A BIT expensive?! (1)

font9a (815378) | more than 3 years ago | (#35327380)

For me, when I'm working on my computer 8-10 hours a day the comfort, convenience, and "little things" mean a lot. Day after day after day.

For me, the price is negligible compared to the delta in the experience between using a MBP and something else. An Adamo or a Panasonic-something running Linux.

That's why I even go so far as to totally rebuild my MBP internals with dual OWC Mercury Pro Enterprise SSDs in RAID-0.

Re:A BIT expensive?! (1, Troll)

Lawrence_Bird (67278) | more than 3 years ago | (#35327556)

You can find comparable (except the lightpeekyboo) laptops of decent build quality for about $800. You could throw it in the trash every year and buy a new one with the latest greatest cpu, etc. Instead, you pay iSteve. Yes, its your dough now but please don't whine to anybody that you don't have rent money, can't pay the heat or a/c bill, have no money for the kids edukation or are defaulting on your college loans and then come looking for a handout. Before you say 'troll' think about how many of your Apple friends are just managing to get by - or worse hit you up for money - yet dump tons of coin on MBP, iPads, etc.

Re:A BIT expensive?! (2)

mr100percent (57156) | more than 3 years ago | (#35327386)

Oh come on, there's plenty of people who think that Apple's laptops are a bargain.

Back in 2002, I paid over $3000 for a top of the line BTO Powerbook G4 800MHz, with 256MB RAM and 60GB hard drive. (After my student discount) Today, the top of the line MacBook Pro is $600 cheaper. Dell's top Alienware laptop is $3500.

Re:A BIT expensive?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35327422)

Which Dell laptop costs $3500? The 17 inch alienware starts at $1600 vs $2500 for the MBP

Re:A BIT expensive?! (4, Informative)

daver00 (1336845) | more than 3 years ago | (#35327390)

The thing is, at the entry level, Macbook Pros are actually extremely good value. Before I go on I'll just note that I'm far from an Apple fanboy and I live in Australia where prices are less than optimal. Now the lowest spec 13" MBP is $1200 ($1400 in AU), for that you get cpu performance equal to that of the previous generation (2010 model) 17" MBP, you get an extremely well crafted enclosure with a nice design in a portable form factor. I have been shopping around for a new laptop and for me the key points were: small, light, attractive, powerful. My options were basically Vaio, Dell XPS studio, HP Envy or Macbook Pro. The MBP was cheaper than all the other options with the nicest design (Australian market here, prices differ quite dramatically). Apple also offer me a student discount, and a free iPod.

I don't like Apple, I really don't (I DO however very much like their industrial design), but I shopped around for a long time and the MBP came up as the best value laptop within my reach. I could have gone down and bought some ugly thick plastic fantastic with better specs for less, but as I said it was crucial to me to have a nice design and a slim package. I'll grant that the MBP cost does not scale well with options, particularly if you opt for alterations when you buy. That said I think I've scored a ridiculously good deal, I'll be installing my own SSD and expect that to reap far more performance gains than bumping up the CPU (at $300 premium no less).

FWIW I was looking at the 14" HP Envy for $2400, the Vaio Z at $3000, or the MBP 13" at $1270 with a free iPod, these are Australian prices.

Re:A BIT expensive?! (2)

Sancho (17056) | more than 3 years ago | (#35327640)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Vaio Z and the Envy both have significantly better graphics cards than the current 13" MBP, right?

Also, Sony is pretty well regarded as having vastly overpriced laptops.

Re:A BIT expensive?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35327682)

To tell the truth, I was in the camp that PC's are most more cost effective than a Macintosh for the longest time. Finally in my grad program I sort of said if I got a 4.0 GPA I would get a Mac....not planning on a 4.0. In any case I kind of ended up having to get a mac...

I initially got a 13 inch Macbook Air (which I returned due to the screen to small). But all I can say is that the touchpad was useable, the gestures made it really simple. On all my Laptops (I have a gateway, dell, and samsung netbook) the touchpad is not useable, I needed an external mouse, but this tiny Macintosh I didn't. Also the thing was light as a feather and the battery lasted well over 6 hours (I never used it more than that). Overall I was very impressed with the Macintosh, but the screen res was just too much for my eyes to handle with the tiny print...

I have been using the PRO inside the apple store and overall it has that same easy to use glass pad. Plus all the MACs have the magsafe adapter. A long time ago my brother managed to knock my Dad's IBM Thinkpad to the floor which if it had a magsafe adapter wouldn't have happened. It is very expensive but overall I must admit the MACs are a pleasure to use.

In any case I'm no apple fanboy, the hardware is pretty damn expensive. And I hate how there are all these proprietary connectors as well as the way they fleece you on RAM. But overall the laptop is a real pleasure to use. You can't really knock without trying them. Still if you go looking for an economic value then look elsewhere... But for a fun usability experience that Macbook Air was pretty nice as is the PRO....

WE AT SLASHDOT LOVE APPLE !! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35327202)

And we want to know how to better serve it and our master.

Thunderbolt an Apple exclusive? (1, Insightful)

rekoil (168689) | more than 3 years ago | (#35327232)

..."Apple is rumored to have an exclusive on this technology until 2012."

*shakes head* So much for wide support. Lots more people buy Mac then they used to, but 8 times as many people still buy PCs. Peripheral vendors aren't stupid.

Re:Thunderbolt an Apple exclusive? (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35327252)

A rumor that Intel quickly denied. Others can support it, Apple was just first. The original statement was to the effect it'd probably be about a year before others would support it, because it would require new hardware, etc.

Re:Thunderbolt an Apple exclusive? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35327268)

Yes but apple fans will pay 2x more for everything so it kind of works out.

Re:Thunderbolt an Apple exclusive? (1)

Jezza (39441) | more than 3 years ago | (#35327310)

The thing is Apple buyers do spend more on their kit than PC buyers (there is variation - I'm talking "on average"). So if you're making some pricey device you are likely to find that a disproportionate number of your customers are Mac owners. Now if you're going to tell me that you won't see devices with ONLY a Thunderbolt port - I'd agree with you. There are plenty of peripheral makers who make most of their money from Apple owners (LaCie spring to mind).

Plus this is a rumour, it may not be true. I actually don't see why it would be true - there is no real benefit to Apple in it being exclusive.

Re:Thunderbolt an Apple exclusive? (0)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | more than 3 years ago | (#35327424)

No, it's not a rumor. Apple has an exclusive deal with Intel for Thunderbolt until the full LightPeak standard is worked out, which is expected to take about a year.

Thunderbolt is effectively a stopgap... in effect, it is what Intel originally called CopperPeak, the wired (and therefore slower) version of LightPeak.

Re:Thunderbolt an Apple exclusive? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35327504)

[Citation Needed]

Re:Thunderbolt an Apple exclusive? (4, Informative)

drsmithy (35869) | more than 3 years ago | (#35327558)

No, it's not a rumor. Apple has an exclusive deal with Intel for Thunderbolt until the full LightPeak standard is worked out, which is expected to take about a year.

Not according to Intel, they don't. [pcmag.com]

"Other system makers are free to implement Thunderbolt on their systems as well, and we anticipate seeing some of those systems later this year and in early 2012."

Thunderbolt will appear on PC laptops as soon as the Sandy Bridge chipsets without SATA problems start shipping. Apple has the head start here because their machines don't have the eSATA port that is standard on most PC laptops today.

Re:Thunderbolt an Apple exclusive? (1)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | more than 3 years ago | (#35327404)

If it's a better standard -- and it looks like it is -- then others will adopt it, too.

Mac was first with FireWire. It became a standard and others hopped on the bandwagon. Sure, USB eventually won out, but that was arguably a VHS/BetaMax situation... FireWire had definite advantages that were seldom exploited by users or even the industry (like the ability to link 2 devices via FireWire without using a computer as the go-between).

Mac was first with DisplayPort. Sure, their connector (Mini-DisplayPort) was proprietary at first, but was also offered as a public standard. Will would be seeing more machines today with DisplayPort, if it weren't for Thunderbolt/LightPeak, which will be taking over that niche and uses essentially the same connector.

There are a whole list of these.

APPLE IS KING !! SLASHVERTIZEMENT CONFIRMS IT !! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35327238)

We see and we obey. Must buy Apple laptop. Must cash in baby's college fund. Must prostitute wife. Must please Apple. Must please Apple. Must please Apple.

Why not (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35327244)

Why not just put a paid-by-Apple advertisement at the top of the Slashdot homepage, telling you to buy their latest product. At least it wouldn't be so insidious.

The most important question ... (1)

perpenso (1613749) | more than 3 years ago | (#35327254)

The most important question: Can you get one in black? Aluminum is getting a bit tired. :-)

Re:The most important question ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35327326)

"Aluminum is getting a bit tired" ... and this is why God made Krylon!

Re:The most important question ... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35327436)

"Aluminum is getting a bit tired" ... and this is why God made Krylon!

Maybe a PC mod'er would go Krylon before going out to shop for colored fan LEDs but a MacBook Pro owner would be more likely to use an airbrush with a custom color mix.

ALL APPLE ALL THE TIME !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35327266)

It seems as if we can't go two days without some ridiculous, who-cares, Apple rumor or scandal. Will someone on the Apple board do us all a favor and in Steve Jobs' absence name Lindsey Lohan as the new Apple CEO?

Next week will be Apple week, and Obama and anyone else looking for the limelight should take a note. This would be an ideal time commit a crime, because nobody will even notice.

The first rumor surrounds the iPad II. Or will it be the iPad 2? How about the iPad Deux? This is the single most gossiped about device in history. I don't care, and I even know it will have two cameras and a better screen. An iPad with two cameras has been a preoccupation amongst the fan boys since someone tore one apart and found the pre-engineered spot for the second camera. The motivation for having two cameras is so you can do face to face video chatting.

They introduced this feature on the iPhone 4 and immediately everyone tried it out, but then never actually used the feature. It's possible that the feature will be popularized by the video sex chatting contingent (you know who you are), but I see that as a relatively small market segment.

Whatever the case the new iPad will be a huge success and everyone who bought the first iPad will rush out to buy this one next, so they can read the newspaper on it.

Then there are the many ancillary stories about Apple that are designed to focus your attention on all things Apple leading up to next week's roll-outs.

The first in a series of stories is how Apple is going to block publishers from running their high-end apps on its devices unless they pay a fat fee to Apple. The story has been raging for a few weeks and does nothing more than draw attention to Apple. Users don't care as long as they get the paper or can read the news off the website. So this is all positive publicity.

Then come the scandals involving the various China-based factories where the people who make the Apple products were at first committing suicide over working conditions and, more recently, were being poisoned by various solvents used to make the screens of the iPad/iPod/iPhone clean and shiny. Apple is supposedly remiss for not really helping or doing anything about it. Or it didn't know what to do about it. Or whatever.

This string of stories had me, at first, quite baffled. I recall when TV celebrity Kathy Lee Gifford took the heat for a line of clothing made in sweatshops by child workers. There is no such outcry or complaining about Apple or Jobs regarding the rights of the injured workers in this instance. The difference is that, in Gifford's case, you could get clothes from other sources. In the case of Apple products, it's the only game in town, and we'll just shut up about it lest we have our precious toys taken away.

And then there is the rampant speculation about Jobs' knockin-on-heavens-door health.

This all adds up to the publicity juggernaut we are witnessing. It will lead to increased sales for Apple products and carry over to the next big announcement. It's fucking amazing.

A thing about reviews (4, Interesting)

QuantumBeep (748940) | more than 3 years ago | (#35327278)

I'm no Mac fanboy. I'd probably attract criticism for being a Mac hater. In any case, I think some negatives are just unfair.

TFS says that Light Peak doesn't have peripherals yet, and paints this as a negative on the MacBook Pro. Why do all reviewers feel a compulsion to make up shit if they can't think of anything negative? That's like some video game reviews I've seen, where they can' t find anything to complain about, so they take a star off because they just don't like the genre. That's a good reason to fire a reviewer, in my opinion.

Re:A thing about reviews (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35327364)

"Light Peak doesn't have peripherals yet"

What is funny to me is that USB had been out probably a couple of years, was even supported by Windows 98, but nobody was really using it even though most computers had it, until Apple came out with the original iMac, which HAD to use USB peripherals, and all of a sudden, USB took off!
Do people really think that peripherals makers are going to make a boatload of stuff for new interfaces that are not in anything yet? Now THAT is a stupid thought! The peripherals will follow the computers, not vice-versa.

Re:A thing about reviews (1)

martinX (672498) | more than 3 years ago | (#35327478)

I think you mean "supported" by Windows 98 :-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjZQGRATlwA [youtube.com]

It'll be interesting to see what peripherals come out for T-Bolt - like someone above said, pro video is the target market for this. Right now, a MBP can give you attachment to superfast storage OR pro monitoring OR pro capture, but not all at once. T-bolt will change all of that.

Everyone else will just buy a T-bolt to USB3 adaptor for their Western Digital external HD.

Re:A thing about reviews (1)

Haedrian (1676506) | more than 3 years ago | (#35327398)

Well, I wouldn't call it a negative unless its replacing some other more important component (like giving it less USB drives or whatever), but if you have a socket which has nothing to plug in yet - and which Apple are pushing forward/banking that it becomes popular and doesn't bomb - then its pretty useless if it fails. Of course if you have unlimited space, no complaint - but I always get the idea that they removed a USB to shove it in or something.

Can't find a USB count in the article, may have missed it.

Re:A thing about reviews (4, Informative)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | more than 3 years ago | (#35327466)

Except that isn't the case here. Thunderbolt uses effectively the same connector as the Mini DisplayPort. So if you don't have any other TB peripherals, you just plug your monitor in there.

It was announced that LightPeak will use a compatible connector with, I suppose, a fiber connection embedded in it somewhere. But otherwise the connector is the same.

Apple has done similar things before. My older MacBook Pro, for example, has fiber-optic connections embedded in the 2.5mm Line In and Headphone jacks. I don't know of many people who have made use of the fiber connectors for sound, but they are there, nevertheless.

Re:A thing about reviews (1)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | more than 3 years ago | (#35327486)

There will be 3 on the MacBook Pro, I don't know about other models. That is the same number as existing MacBook Pros.

Re:A thing about reviews (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35327406)

It is a negative on what would otherwise be called a positive, so don't consider it necessarily a 'bad thing'. What the reviewer means is that it is not a good thing.

By the time that there *are* peripherals for it, other manufacturers will have Thunderbolt laptops available, at which time they will have the same or better hardware at a lower price point.

Fastest Laptop Out There? (1)

the eric conspiracy (20178) | more than 3 years ago | (#35327304)

Not hardly. A 2.2GHz, Intel Core i7-2720QM isn't close to as fast as the Core i7 960 in my laptop.

Re:Fastest Laptop Out There? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35327494)

As usual, the Slashdot summary cut off important information. From TFA: "The Apple MacBook Pro 15-inch (Thunderbolt) is the fastest, most technologically advanced laptop to grace our Labs benches." It does not say "The Apple MacBook Pro 15-inch (Thunderbolt) is the fastest laptop evar!!!111!" as the summary would indicate.

Re:Fastest Laptop Out There? (0)

DurendalMac (736637) | more than 3 years ago | (#35327510)

When your "laptop" has a desktop CPU in it, weights 10+ pounds, takes a massive, hot, 200+w power brick, and is over an inch thick, it's hard to call it a "laptop" anymore.

Re:Fastest Laptop Out There? (1)

RzUpAnmsCwrds (262647) | more than 3 years ago | (#35327670)

It's closer than you think because of architectural improvements. The i7-2820QM is around the same performance as an i7-920. So your i7-960 is probably about 20-30% faster.

"Now among the first" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35327316)

Yes it's true, Apple is one of the first along with:

Samsung
Lenovo
Acer
Hewlett Packard
Sony
Asus
Fujitsu
MSI
Toshiba
Dell

To Apple's credit, they are definitely one of the first to offer the i7 at a price point OVER $2000.

Re:"Now among the first" (3, Insightful)

DurendalMac (736637) | more than 3 years ago | (#35327526)

Someone is a retard who can't tell the difference between a first and second-gen i7...

2nd Gen? (1)

PerZon (181675) | more than 3 years ago | (#35327328)

Did PCMAG say the CPU is an i7-720QM and then call it a 'sandy bridge' 2nd generation i7? Am I missing something here? I was pretty certain thats a 1st gen CPU..

Re:2nd Gen? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35327420)

They're right. Sandy Bridge is the 2nd generation of the Core i processors.

As someone with a race-to-the bottom Dell laptop (4, Interesting)

unassimilatible (225662) | more than 3 years ago | (#35327332)

And whose girlfriend has a race-to-the-bottom HP laptop, both of which are paperweights, I'm willing to pay a little more for my next laptop, one made by a company whose business model isn't razor-thin margins and cheap-as-possible components, and slipshod engineering. Go do a search of the laptop forums for "Dell Inspiron," a horrendously flawed design, and see the hate. Then go look at the customer satisfaction ratings for Macs.

My next lappy will be a Mac, and I can use Boot Camp when I need Windows.

There's a difference between cheap and value.

Re:As someone with a race-to-the bottom Dell lapto (-1, Troll)

Haedrian (1676506) | more than 3 years ago | (#35327376)

You forgot your "Fanboy" tags.

I find it so amazing how mac fanboys can turn every negative into a positive.

"Its not expensive, its just high quality"
"I'll compare it with a laptop which is half its price and point out that my laptop looks nicer"

Cheap as possible components? You mean like Intel chips? Oh right.

I'd say customer satisfaction on macs are higher simply because of the market they target. You're not buying a mac to play the latest games (which don't usually work very well on macs), you're not buying a mac for cheap and quick (you could get better with linux), you're buying a mac to show off the fact that you've got a mac and to feel smug in front of other people.

Of course the fact that all the hardware is chosen by mac and the large price tag means that its obvious that not everyone is going to buy one (that makes it special) and its 'guaranteed' to run on the hardware.

There's a difference between cheap and value, and its a thousand dollars extra or so. You can get a high end windows PC with similar specs for around 1200 instead.

Re:As someone with a race-to-the bottom Dell lapto (1)

daver00 (1336845) | more than 3 years ago | (#35327434)

You can't deny the MBP is built to a high standard, thats just a dumb thing to say (unless you've never actually picked one up). Yes the components inside are the same, no the internals are not the sum of the unit. The thing is at the higher end, MBP is competitive in pricing, I recently spent a long time searching for my next laptop, and high end build quality was an important factor on my list. The reality I was faced with (as someone who has lived a lifetime of hating all things Apple) is that the MBP is generally a bit cheaper than its competitors if you factor in design and build quality.

Matching component for component is not a good measure, I don't want to pull out a thick plastic piece of junk every time I go to use my laptop. Call me fickle, but I don't care.

Re:As someone with a race-to-the bottom Dell lapto (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35327594)

I have a MBP right here and it's not what I would call "high quality". These things get CRAZY hot if you actually use them for anything more than browsing the web. Try playing a game (Steam/Minecraft) and it turns into a freaking nuclear reactor!

Re:As someone with a race-to-the bottom Dell lapto (1)

daver00 (1336845) | more than 3 years ago | (#35327620)

I was referring more to the build quality. How tight are the tolerances? How closely does the lid match the body? How much flex is there in the chassis? How much play in the hinge? Etc.

I have heard they get hot, so does my HP Thinkpad, it gets extremely hot (and also features a reasonably high build quality). Have you compared the temperature of you MBP to that of a high end Vaio, Dell Studio, or similarly positioned laptop?

Re:As someone with a race-to-the bottom Dell lapto (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35327488)

My Macbook Air is simply more pleasant to use than my Gateway laptop. I'm pretty sure that's why customer satisfaction is higher. Two finger scrolling is fantastic, the mouse pad is pleasant and works well and doesn't accidentally move the cursor when i'm typing. The windows pc has a two finger scrolling feature I can turn on, but it's laggy and doesn't scroll well and doesn't have the inertia right. I never knew mouse pads could actually be decent until I got the macbook air.

Re:As someone with a race-to-the bottom Dell lapto (0)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | more than 3 years ago | (#35327554)

"... you're not buying a mac for cheap and quick (you could get better with linux), ..."

Not really. OS X is little more than a GUI on top of BSD, which is Posix compliant. So OS X IS Linux, for all practical purposes. Therefore it runs approximately as fast as Linux on the same hardware, and can run the vast majority of programs designed for Linux. And a CD with the latest version 10.6 costs $29. Granted, it's not as cheap as Ubuntu (free), but it's hard to complain about the price.

And by the way... I can play Everquest in a VM on my MacBook Pro as well as most people can on their native PC, and I even get better a better graphics frame rate, at the same quality setting, than most of them do.

Those are just facts. Not "fanboi-ism."

Re:As someone with a race-to-the bottom Dell lapto (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35327598)

And by the way... I can play Everquest in a VM on my MacBook Pro as well as most people can on their native PC, and I even get better a better graphics frame rate, at the same quality setting, than most of them do.

Hysterical.

Re:As someone with a race-to-the bottom Dell lapto (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35327614)

OS X is little more than a GUI on top of BSD, which is Posix compliant. So OS X IS Linux,

Are all Linux users as stupid as you?

Mac OS X is in no way Linux because it doesn't use a Linux kernel.

Re:As someone with a race-to-the bottom Dell lapto (1)

Pulzar (81031) | more than 3 years ago | (#35327480)

Bah, I can buy 3 decent laptops for the price of one of these.. by the time the first two die and I get the third, the third will be superior in specs in every way to this Mac Pro.

You're not buying a nice suit, it's perfectly ok for it to not last long -- technology advances too fast for you to hang on to the same piece of electronics for years and years.

Re:As someone with a race-to-the bottom Dell lapto (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35327596)

The Apple products I own all the only ones that have failed on me. My iBook is dead, my iMac is dead, my Mac Pro is dead. That iBook is the only LCD device I have ever owned that had dead pixels. Except for the iMac the other products were bought for me by Apple (I used to do contract work for them).

Meanwhile I have a 10 year old Dell laptop, multiple Dell LCD monitors, etc, etc that all still work fine and I use them.

Apple components are nothing special, it's standard commodity hardware. In some cases it actually seems like substandard components (I mean AMD Radeon? LOL, great choice). What Apple brings to the table is looks and other superficial design functionality (nice cases, smooth slick designs, etc). To claim they have higher quality components is ignorant.

Don't forget about the 30 minute battery life. (1)

mattcsn (1592281) | more than 3 years ago | (#35327412)

A high-end-CPU laptop isn't a laptop, it's a portable desktop with a built-in UPS.

Re:Don't forget about the 30 minute battery life. (1)

Yosho (135835) | more than 3 years ago | (#35327430)

Did you even look at the review? Because the 15-inch model lasted 6 hours and 43 minutes when constantly looping an MP4 movie. Pretty damn good if you ask me.

Re:Don't forget about the 30 minute battery life. (1, Interesting)

Haedrian (1676506) | more than 3 years ago | (#35327460)

An MP4 movie is hardly the sort of thing you'd test a quad core with a demon of a video card though is it?

My 4 year old mobile phone can constantly loop an mp4 - granted the screen size is much smaller, but you're not going to buy a laptop like that to watch MP4s on it for 6.43 hours are you? You'll want to play something high-end, which will pull a ton of cycles on the cores and the GPU.

I don't think it'll even need to switch to the primacy GPU for the mp4 viewing experience ...

Re:Don't forget about the 30 minute battery life. (1)

Yosho (135835) | more than 3 years ago | (#35327600)

According to the review, it also got 4 hours and 40 minutes when running the MobileMark benchmark in Windows via Boot Camp. Is that better? Even if you are pushing it, it's a hell of a lot better than the 30 minutes the original poster suggested.

Honestly, though, that's a pretty far-fetched argument you're making. No, you're not going to buy a fast CPU and video card if you're only going to watch videos, but you're also not going to be spending 100% of your time on the road editing movies and compiling software. You're also going to be browsing the web, listening to music, and watching videos.

Optical drive still not optional (1)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 3 years ago | (#35327476)

For me, one of the biggest letdowns of this new generation of Macbook Pros was the fact that the optical drive was still a necessity, there wasn't an option to swap out the optical drive with an SSD. Come on Apple, it's 2011, how many people actually use optical drives anymore, esp. on the go? External USB dvd burners are now a dime a dozen, there is no reason I need to carry one with me everywhere I go.

Re:Optical drive still not optional (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35327550)

how many people actually use optical drives anymore

A hell of a lot more than need a second hard drive.

Re:Optical drive still not optional (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35327586)

Can't agree more.
I was actually expecting the optical drive to be completely removed, not even an option for a swap out.
What a disappointment.

Re:Optical drive still not optional (1)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | more than 3 years ago | (#35327608)

I forget the name of the company, but they make an adapter that takes the place of the optical drive, and houses a hard drive instead. Because the optical drive plugs into the same controller as the hard drive, the throughput is identical.

I know someone who put his existing hard drive into one of those adapters, and installed an SSD where the original drive was. He raves about it.

Re:Optical drive still not optional (2)

ceoyoyo (59147) | more than 3 years ago | (#35327676)

http://www.mcetech.com/optibay/ [mcetech.com]

I've been planning to put an SSD in one of these into my MBP for a while.

Re:Optical drive still not optional (1)

berck (60937) | more than 3 years ago | (#35327630)

What you want is available for $99 from a third party.

Replaces the optical drive with a second SATA slot and provides you with a USB caddy for the optical drive you removed. That way you have a big drive for your a data, and an affordable, fast, SSD for the OS and your applications.

http://www.mcetech.com/optibay/ [mcetech.com]

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