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New MacBook Pro Teardown Reveals 'Shoddy Assembly'

CmdrTaco posted more than 3 years ago | from the but-i-thought-appleness-was-next-to-godliness dept.

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CWmike writes "Apple's new MacBook Pro shows some build-quality problems that shouldn't be seen in a notebook that costs $1,800, a teardown expert said on Monday. iFixit.com found several signs of substandard assembly while disassembling a 15-in. MacBook Pro. Among them: A stripped screw near the subwoofer enclosure and an unlocked ZIF (zero insertion force) socket for the IR (infrared) sensor. '[These] should not be things found inside a completely unmolested computer with an $1,800 base price,' iFixit said in the teardown description. iFixit also spotted an unusual amount of thermal paste applied to both the CPU and the GPU. 'Holy thermal paste! Time will tell if the gobs of thermal paste applied to the CPU and GPU will cause overheating issues down the road,' iFixit said. The refreshed MacBook Pro models launched last Thursday in what one analyst called a 'ho-hum' upgrade."

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Three words: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35342562)

Made In China

Re:Three words: (4, Insightful)

MrEricSir (398214) | more than 3 years ago | (#35342574)

Unlike those quality, American-made laptops.

Oh wait... those don't exist.

Re:Three words: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35342806)

Can't help but be reminded of my experience with RMA on a monitor 15 years ago. The first two were foreign, the 3rd and final one was American made. I thought to myself, hmmm... on the 2nd RMA they send American to make sure it works.

I wonder if that option is even available now.

Oh well, we got back at them. It was a CRT. Full of lead. Sent back for recycling. We'll never see that toxic lump of metal again... umm... nevermind.

Re:Three words: (4, Insightful)

hey! (33014) | more than 3 years ago | (#35343036)

Blaming China or low quality is misplacing the blame in any case. The low quality of so many Chinese-made goods isn't because China is unable to make good quality; it's because Americans are addicted to buying shiny cheap junk and the Chinese give us what the retailers ask for. The market segment that is willing to pay more for quality is quite small in America.

That said, Apple *does* target the quality minded consumer with its computers. Normally the design and build quality on Apple stuff I've seen is first rate; this example comes from a sample size of one. Even a top notch manufacturer can have a bad unit. Except for the unclosed ZIF socket the problems listed don't seem to be the kind that are easy to spot in inspection. Probably the worst issue was the excessive thermal paste, and that's under the heatsink.

Does this one unit mean that build quality is slipping at Apple suppliers? Possibly, but not necessarily. The negative publicity about Foxconn could mean Apple has more on its plate than quality these days when dealing with its suppliers, but that's pure speculation.

Re:Three words: (0)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 3 years ago | (#35343084)

Normally the design and build quality on Apple stuff I've seen is first rate; this example comes from a sample size of one.

Translation: "Nunh-UH!"

Re:Three words: (1)

hawaiian717 (559933) | more than 3 years ago | (#35343058)

I haven't looked recently, but a couple of years ago I came across a Vaio at a Sony store that said "Assembled in the United States" on the bottom.

Re:Three words: (1)

TrippTDF (513419) | more than 3 years ago | (#35343020)

China has come a very, very long way from when they used to only turn out crap. Look around you- most of the things you'll find were at least partially made there.

HP - Dell? (1)

speedingant (1121329) | more than 3 years ago | (#35342572)

Lets try open an equivalent HP/Dell then eh? Build quality depends on how much you want to pay the little 3rd world country workers to assemble them. For all major companies, that isn't much!

Re:HP - Dell? (1)

speedingant (1121329) | more than 3 years ago | (#35342616)

Might I add, I presume having a very complex/intricate design would make construction a lot trickier.. Compare the innards of a MacBook Pro and any other laptop manufacturer and you'll know what I'm talking about.

Re:HP - Dell? (5, Insightful)

amicusNYCL (1538833) | more than 3 years ago | (#35342718)

A complex/intricate design makes one tend to strip screws and leave ZIF sockets open? Sounds more like a lazy assembler to me.

Re:HP - Dell? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35342684)

Having worked in laptop manufacture, for General Dynamics-Itronix, these things shouldn't be happening. At any given point on the line, at least, at any decent manufacturer, there should be inspection points. Stripping a screw, OK, it happens, that's more on the employee who assembled it. Now a zif socket left open, that's just silly. But, in the same breath, when we got units back that were worked on at our twinhead facility in taiwan, it was a giant clusterf**k. Stripped screws, bent pins, pinched cables, etc.

Re:HP - Dell? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35342812)

Lets try open an equivalent HP/Dell then eh?

Build quality depends on how much you want to pay the little 3rd world country workers to assemble them. For all major companies, that isn't much!

If you want to open one and take pictures, go right ahead.

I'll even sell you mine for 600 bucks.

Re:HP - Dell? (4, Funny)

commodore6502 (1981532) | more than 3 years ago | (#35342934)

>>>Lets try open an equivalent HP/Dell then eh?

Damn straight! This whole Slashdot Summary should be modded troll. Apple would never, ever, never have "build quality problems" in their $1800 machines. Everybody knows their laptops are better quality than my - I mean those half-price $900 PC laptops.

That's why we Apple users pay so much for them!!! It's like buying Lexus/Acura instead of Toyota/Honda, even though they are made by the same engineers in the same factory with identical engines & chassis.

(kneels before porcelain Jobs)
Did I do alright master?

So much for build quality... (5, Insightful)

silly_sysiphus (1300705) | more than 3 years ago | (#35342578)

The first-generation Macbook Pros were nothing special in terms of build quality, but up until now, the unibody machines had been rather good. If you're not paying for build quality, what ARE you getting (hardware-wise) for the extra money, given that most of Apple's components are industry standard now? I suppose this is a good reminder that regardless of the brand, most electronics are coming out of the same crappy Chinese factories.

Re:So much for build quality... (3, Informative)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 3 years ago | (#35342620)

I suppose this is a good reminder that regardless of the brand, most electronics are coming out of the same crappy Chinese factories.

That's totally unfair.

Why single out electronics like that?

Re:So much for build quality... (2)

Anonymous Psychopath (18031) | more than 3 years ago | (#35342968)

I suppose this is a good reminder that regardless of the brand, most electronics are coming out of the same crappy Chinese factories.

That's totally unfair.

Why single out electronics like that?

40 years ago the common wisdom in the US said the same thing about foreign quality, except back then it was about the Japanese. Those that don't learn their history...

Re:So much for build quality... (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35342632)

If you're not paying for build quality, what ARE you getting (hardware-wise) for the extra money, given that most of Apple's components are industry standard now?

You are getting that little Apple logo when you boot? There is no magic hardware differences between different computer makers. Apple just has their OS on their hardware while Dell sells Windows + shitton of bloat. So you are paying for no software bloat, I guess.

Re:So much for build quality... (1)

jjohnson (62583) | more than 3 years ago | (#35342836)

You're paying for OS X, for an aluminum unibody, for an awesome keyboard and high-res screen.

If that's worth the extra money to you, then awesome, you're good to go (which it is to me--I don't imagine I'll have any laptop besides a Macbook in the future, though my assembled desktop runs Windows 7). If not, I have a plastic HP that might interest you...

Re:So much for build quality... (2)

commodore6502 (1981532) | more than 3 years ago | (#35342990)

>>>You're paying for OS X, for an aluminum unibody

That'll come in useful when I take my Mac off-roading this summer. None of that shoddy welded crap to break when the wheels hit ruts. I wonder if the rubber wheels/suspension will hold up.

Re:So much for build quality... (3, Insightful)

twidarkling (1537077) | more than 3 years ago | (#35343052)

I've used Macbooks. That keyboard sure as fuck ain't awesome. I could go out and buy OS X and stick it on any machine for under $900, and ...well, okay, yes, damn you, that is a really nice screen. I'd love a better screen on my laptop, and since I should have some cash spare soon, I'm looking in to replacements, seeing if there's anything feasible. As for the aluminium unibody, I've honestly never understood the drooling over that. I treat my laptop carefully, as befitting a costly machine, and it just seems to make Macbooks terribly heavy. Am I missing something about it that just isn't obvious? The protection idea is negligible, it's not really better at dispersing heat, aesthetics are a matter of taste, and it's heavier. I've weighed my 17" HP vs. my friend's 15" Macbook.

Re:So much for build quality... (1)

postmortem (906676) | more than 3 years ago | (#35342642)

what ARE you getting (hardware-wise) for the extra money, given that most of Apple's components are industry standard now?.

Although apple's laptops have few unique features, you are not getting as much as you put, according to profit margins of Apple Corp.

Re:So much for build quality... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35342712)

You're paying for a slick design.

In this way Apple computers are a lot like a Ferrari which will spend a lot of time in the shop if you actually drive it very much.

I always get moderated away for saying it but of all the computer stuff I own my Apple products have been the least reliable. Many dead computers, ipods, bad LCD's, etc. (fortunately most weren't purchased by me, I used to work for Apple).

Re:So much for build quality... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35342832)

You're paying for a slick design.

In this way Apple computers are a lot like a Ferrari

More like a Ferrari body on a Ford Mondeo.

Re:So much for build quality... (1)

dave562 (969951) | more than 3 years ago | (#35342980)

The only thing that sets the MBP apart from other laptops is the touch pad interface. Other than that they are the same as every other laptop out there. That touch pad is the only thing I miss when I'm working on other computers.

Re:So much for build quality... (1)

sconeu (64226) | more than 3 years ago | (#35343090)

Yeah, the "positive click" (I'm not sure of the official term) threw me the first time I used my daughter's MBP.

Now I wish I had one on my Toshiba. I'm sick of the skipping cursor/false clicks (and yes, I have PalmGuard on).

Re:So much for build quality... (2)

DeWinterZero (1757754) | more than 3 years ago | (#35342998)

If Apple's laptop assembly is anything like Dell's one person is give all the parts and its assembled in one spot. That amount of errors sounds like it was built by a new start and therefore its training/quality that failed. Dell laptop assembly required 10-15 laptops an hour. Servers was 4-5.

Re:So much for build quality... (2)

Haedrian (1676506) | more than 3 years ago | (#35343032)

If you're not paying for build quality, what ARE you getting (hardware-wise) for the extra money

When you buy expensive brand clothing, you're not paying extra because its made from a rare blend of materials - you're paying for that extra brand which makes people recognise you as cool, modern, hip and rich.

Same thing.

Re:So much for build quality... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35343104)

The first-generation Macbook Pros were nothing special in terms of build quality, but up until now, the unibody machines had been rather good. If you're not paying for build quality, what ARE you getting (hardware-wise) for the extra money, given that most of Apple's components are industry standard now?

I suppose this is a good reminder that regardless of the brand, most electronics are coming out of the same crappy Chinese factories.

HP, Dell, Apple etc are all made by FOXCONN so yeah its not unfair to say they are all made by the same factories, but crappy is another thing...

Bearing in mind apples penchant for over complicating designs thats probably what impacts their build quality...

Ho hum? (2, Informative)

mozumder (178398) | more than 3 years ago | (#35342580)

These MacBook Pro's are the top laptops in the industry. There is nothing better.

This refresh is almost as fast as my 8-core Nehalem Xeon Mac Pro, which is rather incredible.

All great products have high resale value... I just sold my 4 year old MacBook Pro 17" for $920.

Re:Ho hum? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35342604)

Amazing you can speak with your mouth full of Steve Jobs' cock.

Re:Ho hum? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35342670)

Is Steve Jobs' cock that big?

I heard it's quite small which is why he fist-fucks his fanbois.

Re:Ho hum? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35342804)

Ahh, Anonymous Coward sure knows how to dish out the beats.

Wait, that's me.

Anyway, the grandparent poster is right on the mark. The latest MacBook Pro's seem like heaters. Now, you can accept that with or without Steve's appendage - your call.

Re:Ho hum? (1)

Jackdaw Rookery (696327) | more than 3 years ago | (#35342658)

Wait, didn't you get the memo? We now have to dislike Apple!

Sarcasm aside, I agree with you, I think the update that just happened was the biggest leap forward since the introduction of the unibody enclosure. Big enough to make me sell my 2 year old MacBook Pro and upgrade.

Re:Ho hum? (0, Flamebait)

pandrijeczko (588093) | more than 3 years ago | (#35342850)

Yes, but you are a fanboi, that's what you're *supposed* to do, for God's sake - in fact, how you escaped the hypnotic clutches of Steve's Charisma Beam and lasted two years without an upgrade is probably worthy of some deeper investigation by the clerics of the Holy Church of Apple.

Look at it from my perspective - if I proudly crowed about standing outside queuing in the rain the day before a new Dell Laptop or Ubuntu Linux 11.04 was released, you'd call me a sad loony!

Re:Ho hum? (1)

Jackdaw Rookery (696327) | more than 3 years ago | (#35342944)

Oh I've gone from fan-boy to fanboi? Hurrah, you have managed to upgrade me. Hopefully without injuring yourself.

*Stares at hand built (hand put-together? I dunno, it's not like I designed anything inside it) PC running W7 64/Ubuntu, is typing on a ThinkPad X61 running Vista, notices MacBook Pro happily sitting in the corner, printing out my fanboi badge*

Oh wait. I run Vista, Win7 64, Linux and OSx. Arg, can I still be an Apple fanboi? Please??

Re:Ho hum? (1)

pandrijeczko (588093) | more than 3 years ago | (#35343050)

Badge???

I'd heard it was a tattoo... back of the head, just beneath the hairline... three little Apples in a triangular shape... look at it from the correct angle and it looks like "666".

Re:Ho hum? (1)

pandrijeczko (588093) | more than 3 years ago | (#35342690)

I still have my 4 year old Dell XPS M1710 17" notebook as my main machine.

Re:Ho hum? (1)

Jackdaw Rookery (696327) | more than 3 years ago | (#35342740)

Well done, you. Nice and thrifty, plus no laptop in a landfill. Though I'm unsure of the point you were making with that post.

Was it to say that Dell laptops don't ever need replacing?

Re:Ho hum? (1)

pandrijeczko (588093) | more than 3 years ago | (#35342796)

Nope, but the OP sold his after 4 years, presumably because he needed a new machine.

Actually, my M1710 is nearer 5 years old, I put in a new hard disk and upgraded the memory from 2GB to 4GB but it still runs beautifully (64-bit Gentoo Linux and 32-bit XP), does all I need it to and won't be being upgraded any time soon.

Re:Ho hum? (1)

Jackdaw Rookery (696327) | more than 3 years ago | (#35342870)

"presumably because he needed a new machine." Or he might have wanted an upgrade more significant than just memory or HDD. Or he broke his last laptop by dropping it. Who knows. Remember what they say about assumptions, it's asses all the way down. Or something. Anyway, how about this one:

Begin challenging your own assumptions. Your assumptions are your windows on the world. Scrub them off every once in awhile, or the light won't come in. ~ Alan Alda

Re:Ho hum? (1)

pandrijeczko (588093) | more than 3 years ago | (#35342926)

Would he have got $920 for a broken one he'd dropped?

"My face, your ass. What's the difference?" ~ Duke Nukem.

Re:Ho hum? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35342746)

These MacBook Pro's are the top laptops in the industry. There is nothing better.

Clearly the quality isn't the best.

Re:Ho hum? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35342838)

Thank you for astroturfing. Your check is in the mail.

Sent from my iPhone.

Maybe that is a Chinese fake? (0)

slasher157 (2005882) | more than 3 years ago | (#35342592)

I have seen a http://tinyurl.com/63avlna [slashdot.org]>story about Macbook fakes.

Re:Maybe that is a Chinese fake? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35342780)

This is goatcx. I dont know why idiot bother posting that, it is not shocking anybody anymore. Renew your shock images, you are fail atm.

Despite this, Apple will make billions of sales... (-1)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 3 years ago | (#35342594)

...thanks to the Apple fan-boys.

Re:Despite this, Apple will make billions of sales (5, Insightful)

Jackdaw Rookery (696327) | more than 3 years ago | (#35342714)

You now have to be a fan-boy to buy Apple products? They are no longer available to the public? Since when? Do I need a badge? To join some kind of club?

Oh wait, maybe Apple came around your house and clubbed your puppy to death? No?

Perhaps take a deep breath and relax. People are free to choose Apple, Linux and even Windows. Each has strong points and reasons why they are good at what they do, so no need to start dropping both your IQ and elitist tech wang on the table by throwing the term 'fan-boys' around.

Re:Despite this, Apple will make billions of sales (1)

chill (34294) | more than 3 years ago | (#35342830)

Actually, he's scheduled for next Thursday on the puppy clubbing list. Apple is running a bit behind with both Steve Jobs and possibly Jonathan Ive out.

Re:Despite this, Apple will make billions of sales (0)

Draek (916851) | more than 3 years ago | (#35342882)

People are free to choose Apple, Linux and even Windows. Each has strong points and reasons why they are good at what they do

True, but according to the Apple loyalists, "build quality" and "getting what you paid for" were one of the things Apple was good for. Let's see how many jump ship with this, and how many try whatever half-arsed justification they can find to stay with Stevie.

Re:Despite this, Apple will make billions of sales (0)

pandrijeczko (588093) | more than 3 years ago | (#35342906)

Actually, it's "fanboi" not "fan-boy"... but there's nowt quite like casting a hook and reeling in a particularly rabid frothing one.

Re:Despite this, Apple will make billions of sales (-1)

commodore6502 (1981532) | more than 3 years ago | (#35343054)

>>>Do I need a badge? To join some kind of club?

Don't worry. Anybody who spends more than $1000 for a laptop is a fanboy in my opinion. It's the only reason why they'd throw their money away like that (or else they are doing CGI for the next star wars film). Same applies to those who buy $30,000+ luxury cars that are just $15,000 Civics with new badges on them.

"A fool and his money are soon parted." - Barnum

Re:Despite this, Apple will make billions of sales (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35342844)

So now my dad, who has no idea who or what Apple is, is an Apple fan boy because he bought an iPhone after seeing mine and loving it?

Re:Despite this, Apple will make billions of sales (1)

pandrijeczko (588093) | more than 3 years ago | (#35343102)

Nope, that would make him a "fandad".

Stick with it, there's a logic to it, you'll get it eventually.

OK. We get it. (1)

BearRanger (945122) | more than 3 years ago | (#35342626)

People click on Apple stories. People post to Apple stories. Slashdot editors, could you please pull a George Bush and just say "Mission Accomplished" already?

Re:OK. We get it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35342916)

Pull your head in. Apple are part of the tech industry. They release hardware and software and quite rightly it makes nerd news. Just because they're successful and/or you don't like them doesn't mean it's not newsworthy and of interest to readers.

You're welcome not to read it, not to purchase their wares and not to give a shit, but don't assume that your opinion should be shared by all the other 'The Man'-hating Slashdot readers because you think it's cool to hate them. This whole fanboy/non-fanboy bullshit is so fucking old and lame.

Also, perhaps consider submitting other worthy news.

So... (3, Insightful)

rabblerabblerabble (1593117) | more than 3 years ago | (#35342628)

...does this mean suicides will be up at whatever sweatshop Apple is building these or will they do what they did at the iPhone factory that had the same problem: put up more nets to catch the jumpers

Could be better than the alternatives (0)

swebster (530246) | more than 3 years ago | (#35342652)

Perhaps this is what you get for your top dollar and the other manufacturers are even worse!

Re:Could be better than the alternatives (1)

heypete (60671) | more than 3 years ago | (#35342732)

*shrugs* My cheap $360 Asus Eee PC 1015PEM netbook seems to have better build quality than that. No stripped screws or unlocked ZIF connectors from the factory. (Naturally, I partially stripped a screw opening it up to upgrade the hard disk.)

That said, the MacBook beats the everliving hell out of the Eee PC in terms of performance. Still, $1,800 for a laptop is entirely too much in my view -- I have my netbook for portability and my desktop at home for high-performance stuff.

What's the point of this story? (2, Informative)

dicobalt (1536225) | more than 3 years ago | (#35342664)

It was made by people who are in a daze, overworked, and totally unskilled. Apple always overcharges for their hardware. There is no revelation here.

Sample size: n=1 (4, Insightful)

Entropy2016 (751922) | more than 3 years ago | (#35342694)

They found a bad apple. So that makes our sample size is n=1 so far. Can anybody cite evidence of additional issues, or is this being hyped up like the iPhone 4 antenna story?

Re:Sample size: n=1 (5, Funny)

pushing-robot (1037830) | more than 3 years ago | (#35342774)

I asked a friend; he said the line between this one data point and his preconceived notions shows a definite trend.

Re:Sample size: n=1 (1)

CharlyFoxtrot (1607527) | more than 3 years ago | (#35342816)

Agreed, the issues also seem relatively minor. Still if this article will lead to Apple doing some extra quality control that'll be a good thing. Sort of a little reminder to Apple that we hold them to a higher standard than other pc makers.

Re:Sample size: n=1 (5, Insightful)

BradleyUffner (103496) | more than 3 years ago | (#35342820)

They found a bad apple. So that makes our sample size is n=1 so far. Can anybody cite evidence of additional issues, or is this being hyped up like the iPhone 4 antenna story?

Well, they found at least 3 independent problems on a single sample. Since each of these problems is possible separate from each other, the fact that all 3 show on a single item could indicate that the rate each problem is fairly high in general. There are other possibilities besides high problem rates, but it does raise the chances that this isn't just a single isolated incident.

Re:Sample size: n=1 (4, Interesting)

sqlrob (173498) | more than 3 years ago | (#35342826)

We have 4 Macs (2 iMac, 2 Powerbook) that have been in the shop a total of five times (1 iMac twice, everything else once). Their build quality has gone down a lot.

Re:Sample size: n=1 (1)

kwerle (39371) | more than 3 years ago | (#35343024)

We have 4 Macs (2 iMac, 2 Powerbook) that have been in the shop a total of five times (1 iMac twice, everything else once). Their build quality has gone down a lot.

Oh yeah? Well my anecdotal is bigger than yours!
N = 7
S = 1

Re:Sample size: n=1 (1)

nOw2 (1531357) | more than 3 years ago | (#35343034)

But not in this case.

Yes, iFixIt have found problems which should not exist, but there are only two internal, inconsequential assembly errors in an absolute engineering marvel which is cranked out in massive numbers.

These machines are generations ahead of the PowerBooks in terms of sophistication and precision engineering.

Re:Sample size: n=1 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35342958)

Except this isn't the first time Apple has had thermal paste problems. I'm not surprised you don't remember since they engaged in a propaganda campaign to expunge the incident from human memory. The last time, it plagued an entire product line causing overheating problems.

In the real world... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35342710)

iFixit says all kinds of things to get attention.
The new MBP's are twice as fast as previous versions plus Thunderbolt. Hardly lackluster.
I've been to the factory in China that makes parts for Apple, Motorola, HP, Dell and others. It is well known there that even the same parts are subjected to higher and more costly quality control by Apple than the other manufacturers. They also have a higher threshold for what parts they will accept.

And, yeah? (2, Insightful)

bryan1945 (301828) | more than 3 years ago | (#35342758)

What new computer line doesn't have problems? And Apple is known for having 1st generation problems. A stripped screw, extra thermal paste, and an unlocked ZIF? Shocking, pure shock I say.

The best part it was ONE sample, yet somehow because it got attention from a sorta-credible source it is given more credence than the usual ancedotal observation.
And no, I'm typing this on a Dell.

Re:And, yeah? (1)

Osgeld (1900440) | more than 3 years ago | (#35342960)

yes apple has once again innovated and brought us a first macbook

sorry but where do you get this is a first gen product from a company that has been making said product for nearly 20 friggin years!

Re:And, yeah? (1)

dakameleon (1126377) | more than 3 years ago | (#35343016)

This is far from a 1st generation Apple product. They might have the new Sandy Bridge chips and mobo, but by and large these are identical to the previous unibody line.

observation notes corepirate nazi deals life0cidal (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35342784)

so, it looks like there's not much relevant can occur until we CAN solve out our tendencies to neglect/pillage/destroy our fellow humans (sometimes by proxy), & their property, in secret, or not. that's guaranteed. do the math; 1 humvee=17 solar powered refrigerators. on&on it goes.

1 cloud spraying boeing tanker = 3,000 fridges (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35342940)

plus, we'd save all that jet fuel. not that we need it. it just stinks & is poison.

Assembly, not Engineering (0)

iMouse (963104) | more than 3 years ago | (#35342822)

Assembly (or the assembler) is one thing. Engineering is a whole other beast.

No other PC manufacturer spends the time and the resources building engineering marvels like Apple does.

The last Dell I worked on had 4 bad hard drives in 2 years...why? Because some idiot engineer at Dell decided that pushing the heat radiating off of the heat sink of a Pentium 4 3.4 HT directly over a hard drive was a good idea.

ZIF (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35342828)

You had me at zero insertion force

Damagecontrol (1)

santax (1541065) | more than 3 years ago | (#35342858)

Lol, lots of AC"s all of a sudden here to state that the macbook is the best you can get. And that is a pretty strange statement coming from the IT-crowd... Damage controle @apple I assume...

Haters gotta hate (0)

gmhowell (26755) | more than 3 years ago | (#35342860)

Damn Taco, all these years, and you still have to hate on Apple to justify your lame misreading of the original iPod. Glad to see you are still a petulant child.

Re:Haters gotta hate (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35343042)

Damn Taco, all these years, and you still have to hate on Apple to justify your lame misreading of the original iPod. Glad to see you are still a petulant child.

Whatever brings in the page-views. Take a look at mega-troll John C Dvorak [slashdot.org]. Surprised anyone listens to a word he says.

So what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35342862)

The Jobs fanboys and girls would buy the thing if it was a block of wood with a paper screen and keyboard glued on.

A fluke (2)

MaWeiTao (908546) | more than 3 years ago | (#35342872)

For now I'd say it's a fluke. You're not likely to find any of these problems even in a cheap Dell computer. In all the years I've owned and happened to open a computer or some other bit of electronics I can't say I've seen improperly assembled components. The only exception being toys where it's an absolute disaster how things get put together.

It is possible that in the rush to anticipate demand that factories are forgoing some quality control and maybe even overworking their employees.

Re:A fluke (1)

Anonymous Psychopath (18031) | more than 3 years ago | (#35342922)

For now I'd say it's a fluke. You're not likely to find any of these problems even in a cheap Dell computer. In all the years I've owned and happened to open a computer or some other bit of electronics I can't say I've seen improperly assembled components. The only exception being toys where it's an absolute disaster how things get put together.

It is possible that in the rush to anticipate demand that factories are forgoing some quality control and maybe even overworking their employees.

It may be a fluke or it may be an assembly plant issue, but either way it's the sort of thing that makes an anal-retentive tyrant like Jobs go ballistic. I'm betting it gets sorted out posthaste, even if he is out on extended medical leave.

OS X? (0)

pak9rabid (1011935) | more than 3 years ago | (#35342884)

If you're not paying for build quality, what ARE you getting (hardware-wise) for the extra money, given that most of Apple's components are industry standard now?

Running OS X without a mountain of hacks?

Holy Macro! (0)

nOw2 (1531357) | more than 3 years ago | (#35342966)

Two internal marks that look tiny even in macro photographs! Oh my, we'd better put in a link to Computer World!

Wait, make that two!

These ill researched, amateur summarisations make me fucking sick.

Hate to say it (1)

rsilvergun (571051) | more than 3 years ago | (#35342972)

but you haven't been able to cheat the system and buy a Mac for top quality hardware in ages. Ever since they stopped using Power PC it's been the same PC Junk that Dell sells. You're paying $1400 dollars for a titanium shell...

Did they tear down a second machine? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35343022)

Does anybody know if iFixit tore down more than one unit? This could just be a bad unit where the inspector was just not into that day. Does anybody have a link to get more info on iFixit's teardown process?

Yes I'm now a troll (1, Interesting)

VoxMagis (1036530) | more than 3 years ago | (#35343056)

I think this is it - the last time I bother with Slashdot. Troll posts (like this one) I can bypass, but the constant troll articles are getting out of hand.

Screw it. It's not just the Apple crap, I get it, you hate Apple. It's the ridiculous sensationalism that has crept into all of it. I won't let the door hit me on the way out.

Not stripped (3, Funny)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 3 years ago | (#35343078)

That screw wasn't stripped! It's Apple's new screwdriver design. They take their ordinary pentabular screws, and apply a drill to eat out the head of one of them, forcing you to drill the screw out if you open it yourself.

Sorry, But Your Wrong (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35343106)

You call that shoddy assembly, simply because you're trying to do something with the laptop you are not intended to. Leave it alone, and it works. Wow.

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