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Open Source Guy Takes the Hardest Job At Microsoft

CmdrTaco posted more than 3 years ago | from the because-he-can dept.

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jbrodkin writes "Gianugo Rabellino, founder of the Italian Linux Society and a key member of the Apache Software Foundation, traded his Linux and Mac PCs in for a Windows 7 laptop and took on a newly created job at Microsoft designed to encourage collaboration between Redmond and open source communities. 'Developers nowadays are mostly to be found in the open source world,' the new Microsoft executive says. 'We need to go where they are.' With Rabellino's help, Microsoft is expanding its successful partnership with PHP developers , but Steve Ballmer and crew are a long way from completely erasing their poor reputation in Linux and open source circles."

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As always... (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35347666)

It's a trap!

Re:As always... (1, Interesting)

devxo (1963088) | more than 3 years ago | (#35347690)

Microsoft has been changing a lot in the recent years and they're doing lots of interesting stuff. They're also been really successful with Windows 7, Xbox 360 and many other products. I just wish open source guys would move on from the 90's already.

We will when MS does. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35347808)

We will when MS does. When they stop campaigning against open products, when they stop their FUD when they stop their attempts to throw patent roadblocks in front of everything.

When, in fact, they start playing nicely with US.

Re:We will when MS does. (1, Informative)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 3 years ago | (#35347994)

attempts to throw patent roadblocks in front of everything

I have to defend them on that one. As crazy as the patent system has gotten, if they don't defend their patents, they are essentially putting up a big sign for Apple, Sony et. al. saying "Come rape us!" In this crazy environment, if someone comes suing you over patents, you have to have some patents of your own to hit them back with. It's sad but true that the only way for a company like MS to stand is to have its own cache of patents to ward off other companies. Just ask Sony [bloomberg.com] and LG [theinquirer.net].

Re:We will when MS does. (3, Informative)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#35348022)

You don't have to sue to protect patents. That is trademarks you are thinking of. With patents you can sue those who only sue you first if you want.

Re:We will when MS does. (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 3 years ago | (#35348198)

But if they don't aren't they opening themselves up to a web of charges of prior art and other problems in a subsequent court case? If Party A violates my patent and I don't sue them, and Party B later comes along and violates it and I sue them, what's to stop Party B from saying "Well you obviously didn't think Party A was infringing way back when, and we're doing the same thing as them, so obviously this has no merit."

Re:We will when MS does. (1)

pandrijeczko (588093) | more than 3 years ago | (#35348202)

Just bear in mind, they have patents (rightly or wrongly) and *could* use them against Linux - but so far have not done so.

Re:We will when MS does. (1)

xaxa (988988) | more than 3 years ago | (#35348252)

attempts to throw patent roadblocks in front of everything

I have to defend them on that one.

If MS were against software patents they'd be campaigning to governments, which would probably make a big impact.

Instead, they campaign for software patents.

Re:We will when MS does. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35348280)

That makes no sense. Why would MS accuse the linux kernel of hundreds of patent violations to protect against Apple & Sony? They could just tell Sony "we've got loads of patents that _you_ are violating so back off", there's no benefit to doing it in a roundabout way.

Re:As always... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35347834)

Businesses have ulterior motives even if they seem great at face value.

Re:As always... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35348014)

I second this!

Re:As always... (4, Informative)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#35347968)

When Microsoft moves on we will. That would mean supporting WebM or another royalty free codec, making silverlight and its DRM modules portable, and not spreading FUD about FREE software.

Re:As always... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35348276)

Really attaching your movements to whether Microsoft does first?

Re:As always... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35347974)

Actions speak loudest.

There are lot of people working in the open source software industry who have no problems with working with Microsoft. We've just been burned a few times and aren't interested in wasting time with people who talk the talk but won't walk the walk... In other words, get back to me when they're actually doing something other than barring copyleft from WP7 marketplace or claiming that linux kernel violates hundreds of patents without prodiving any verifiable facts.

So, to get back to your comment: what exactly has MS done that we should be interested of and how should we "move on" with regards to that? I've heard they're actually useful (or at least not harmful) in the PHP circles -- good for the PHP folks. That doesn't mean I'm going to trust or rely on Microsoft in my projects (mostly on the mobile client side), not without considerable show of commitment from them.

Re:As always... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35348172)

There's a reason they don't support "copyleft". A large part of it is probably the fact that it's called "copyleft".

Earn some respect and you'll get it.

Re:As always... (5, Insightful)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 3 years ago | (#35348044)

Oh bullcrap. They create a position like this every year or two, then we get this little "Ask the Quisling some Questions!!!" to which said quisling will answer that Microsoft has changed, that Microsoft wants to co-operate with the FOSS community, blah blah blah and then suddenly in the midst of all this goodwill Ballmer announces that Linux or OpenOffice or whatever violates ten bazillion of Microsoft's patents.

Fuck this guy.

Yeah, sure (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35348054)

Microsoft has been changing a lot in the recent years and they're doing lots of interesting stuff.

Sure, like banning GPL from WP7, great way to gain trust i gotta say.

Re:Yeah, sure (1)

Merk42 (1906718) | more than 3 years ago | (#35348284)

Actually that's due to incompatibilities with the GPL. If WP7 allowed GPL software then Microsoft would be VIOLATING the GPL

Re:As always... (1, Interesting)

pandrijeczko (588093) | more than 3 years ago | (#35348168)

As a non-zealot Linux guy, I say give Microsoft a chance and those of us who believe there is some "Windows vs Linux" desktop battle to be won need to get over themselves.

Linux has been incredibly successful in the embedded and server space, it's damn good on the desktop now but users should decide for themselves their OS of choice - yes, even the overpaid & totally misguided OS X users who crow about their BSD roots but wouldn't know a UNIX command line if it punched them in the face... but I digress...

As far as I'm concerned, if the world ends up as a place where people are interchanging information on PCs that's in an open format, then that's good enough and they can use what they like on the desktop.

If Microsoft observe open source licenses and open up their proprietary formats then they've every right to get involved - and let's face it, they've not yet started a patent war with Linux that everyone has been expecting.
 

Re:As always... (4, Insightful)

afidel (530433) | more than 3 years ago | (#35348192)

BS, if they really wanted to change they wouldn't have banned all open source (including their own license!) from the WP7 app store.

Re:As always... (4, Insightful)

mwvdlee (775178) | more than 3 years ago | (#35347804)

Don't know whether it's a trap, but what has the Open Source community to gain from working with Microsoft?

Re:As always... (3, Informative)

natehoy (1608657) | more than 3 years ago | (#35347854)

Resources?

Microsoft interoperating more easily with open source formats and tools (better support for open document formats, etc)?

Re:As always... (3, Interesting)

causality (777677) | more than 3 years ago | (#35348028)

Microsoft interoperating more easily with open source formats and tools (better support for open document formats, etc)?

I would like to believe that but there's one reason I doubt it. By their nature, open formats are accessible and open to anyone who would like to implement them. Microsoft wouldn't need outside help for that. If this were important to them they would have already done it.

Abandoning the vendorlock that comes with proprietary file formats goes against their grain. If they do it, it will be reluctantly.

Re:As always... (1)

Yvanhoe (564877) | more than 3 years ago | (#35348272)

The specifications to Office documents and and honest help in making them interoperable. We should not consider them OSS friendly before they give that.

Re:As always... (1)

inkscapee (1994086) | more than 3 years ago | (#35348064)

It's a trap!

No kidding. Gianugo Rabellino, the latest in a long of MS "open source" evangelists who are really cannon fodder, trotted out at conferences and press conferences to receive the rotten tomatoes. MS claims to hire the best and the brightest, and yet they keep finding people who actually take these thankless, impossible yes-but jobs. Doesn't seem all that bright to me.

Re:As always... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35348134)

Microsoft apologists will of course dismiss the idea it's a trap, but based on a long history of Microsoft behavior and comments, this does nothing to benefit FOSS and everything to promote Microsoft at the expense of FOSS.

Hey, look! (1)

giuseppemag (1100721) | more than 3 years ago | (#35347674)

Flying monkeys!

Re:Hey, look! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35347700)

Flying monkeys!

niggers with hang gliders

riiiight (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35347684)

cause it wasn't about a HUGE FAT PAYCHECK now was it....

So, (3, Insightful)

unity100 (970058) | more than 3 years ago | (#35347688)

Random php user group in random country lauds some particular act of microsoft, and this ends up being 'microsoft's successful partnership with PHP developers' ?

what about asp, asp.net, .net., .whatever, silverlight et al ?

and really, what 'partnership' anyway ?

He's there for PHP (5, Insightful)

mangu (126918) | more than 3 years ago | (#35348210)

According to TFA, 'Rabellino's main focus right now "is to enable PHP to shine on our platforms."'

So, he's there to get people to migrate from LAMP (Linux, Apache, MySql, PHP) systems to WIMP (Windows, IIS, MS-SQL, PHP) systems.

Grim future... (5, Funny)

andrea.sartori (1603543) | more than 3 years ago | (#35347698)

Successful partnership between Microsoft and PHP developers. What could possibly go wrong?

Re:Grim future... (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35347778)

PHP.Net

Alternative title: flunky sells out (2)

ciaran_o_riordan (662132) | more than 3 years ago | (#35347704)

It's not the hardest job in MS. It's a PR stunt. Just being hired is already a win for MS.

examples (5, Insightful)

ciaran_o_riordan (662132) | more than 3 years ago | (#35347840)

I mean, I don't know this guy personally, so it's not an attack on him, but MS has hired various "open source" people in the past, and what do we get?

MS pays Nokia to drop KDE and MeeGo. MS pays Novell to develop a C# and .Net stuff (which prevents the antitrust commission calling them a monopoly), and when Novell goes bust, MS buys their patents.

I don't see any indication that this hire is any good news for us.

Re:Alternative title: flunky sells out (4, Insightful)

causality (777677) | more than 3 years ago | (#35347946)

It's not the hardest job in MS. It's a PR stunt. Just being hired is already a win for MS.

The hardest job at MS would be their security experts. Imagine trying to do a job and having every last move you make either neutered or cancelled entirely by Marketing.

MS has a small army of highly skilled people. They could definitely produce higher quality software. I believe they could make malware a rarity if they really wanted to do it. But what's their incentive when you can make billions without going to all the trouble?

The only reason MS is being so nice lately is they're more irrelevant than ever. Microsoft can handle being loved and they can handle being hated. What they don't want to face is being ignored. They're hardly obscure yet but they are long-term strategic thinkers so they realize that things are moving in that direction, in baby steps at the moment. The real interesting stuff is coming from Google and Apple while Microsoft is stagnating. Windows 7 is nice but it's not the giant improvement that XP was over Win98. Even the XBox360 is showing its age.

When things were going so well for MS and the industry was very interested in what they were doing, we got to see how much of a dick they can be. If they start innovating again you can expect their attitude about Open Source to go back to the "Halloween documents" days. I hope Mr. Rabellino understands one thing very well: if you get in bed with Microsoft, you're going to get fucked.

You know, even if Microsoft really has turned over a new leaf and really has a sincere desire to honestly work with Open Source, even if this really isn't a trap of the "embrace and extend" sort ... their past behavior makes them unworthy of our cooperation. They have about ten years of complete asshattery to undo and all of the people who perpetrated that are still running the company, particularly Ballmer. Maybe this is like politics where people have horribly short memories.

Re:Alternative title: flunky sells out (1)

TheLink (130905) | more than 3 years ago | (#35348164)

The hardest job at MS would be their security experts. Imagine trying to do a job and having every last move you make either neutered or cancelled entirely by Marketing.

Seems the following video was created by people in Microsoft: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeXAcwriid0 [youtube.com]

If that's true they also have marketing talent (or had ;) ). Their stuff just gets "microsofted" on the way out.

Re:Alternative title: flunky sells out (3, Insightful)

TheLink (130905) | more than 3 years ago | (#35348208)

Here's the claim: http://www.ipodobserver.com/ipo/article/Microsoft_Confirms_it_Originated_iPod_Box_Parody_Video/ [ipodobserver.com]

Microsoft spokesman Tom Pilla on Tuesday confirmed with iPod Observer that his company initiated the creation of the iPod packaging parody video that was first reported last month. "It was an internal-only video clip commissioned by our packaging [team] to humorously highlight the challenges we have faced RE: packaging and to educate marketers here about the pitfalls of packaging/branding," he said via e-mail.

Re:Alternative title: flunky sells out (1)

pandrijeczko (588093) | more than 3 years ago | (#35348246)

...and of course, a web site with the name "ipodobserver.com" is going to be entirely unbiased in it's reporting.

Re:Alternative title: flunky sells out (1)

Carewolf (581105) | more than 3 years ago | (#35348004)

In fact a pretty easy job. If the job really involves trying to improve cooperation, the job is essential to tell MS: If you want their cooperation, you should stop trying to murder them.

Of course if the job is to make open source cooperate more in getting murdered, things might be more difficult.

Terrorist (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35347706)

He's a terrorist and we need to assassinate him. /sarcasm

13 years ... (2)

Jimpqfly (790794) | more than 3 years ago | (#35347710)

13 years later, Microsoft realizes that PHP is so much better than .NET. Congrats.

Re:13 years ... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35347770)

.Net just needs official cross-platform support. It's a nice development environment. I bet Visual Studio would be somewhat popular for Linux if they'd make it. C# is faster than Java and easier than C++, especially when so much is already set up for you. It would be direct competition to Qt.

Re:13 years ... (1)

mangu (126918) | more than 3 years ago | (#35348074)

I bet Visual Studio would be somewhat popular for Linux if they'd make it

I bet the 1959 Edsel would be somewhat popular if they still made it. But I'd rather have a Toyota Camry instead. Just as, having used both, I prefer Kdevelop to Visual Studio.

Re:13 years ... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35348112)

I know you can write shit code in any language, but PHP is just terrible. Seriously, this language was designed by people who think that:

Prepending all their variables with $ is a good idea
Naming their functions like someFunc( ) is a good idea

Yeah, .Net isn't perfect. But it's MILES better from the start just for the sheer fact that it isn't batshit insane.

Re:13 years ... (1)

ByOhTek (1181381) | more than 3 years ago | (#35348126)

By what exact definition would you come up with?

1) Speed -> .NET
2) IDEs -> Varies by user, VS, Eclipse, whatever, and most that can handle PHP can handle C# or VB.NET -> .NET
3) Features in Built in Library -> .NET
4) Available Modules from 3rd party devs -> ???
5) Documentation -> Parity, both have very good documentation

So, as far as I can see, the only place .NET could win out is #4 .NET wins on 1 and 3.
On #2, .NET wins, but only due to one more IDE
on #5, no clear winner.

Re:13 years ... (3, Interesting)

bberens (965711) | more than 3 years ago | (#35348260)

I would say PHP definitely wins in the platform support category. You can run PHP just about anywhere. Mono is okay but it isn't "there" imho.

Oh, really... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35347732)

>but Steve Ballmer and crew are a long way from completely erasing their poor reputation in Linux and open source circles."

That's like saying Columbus is a long way from completely erasing his poor reputation in the flat earth community.

Re:Oh, really... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35347818)

Wonderful analogy! Thank you fellow AC.

Re:Oh, really... (0)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 3 years ago | (#35348034)

At least say Magellan. If anything Columbus might have supported the idea of a flat Earth. Did he arrive in Asia? See? SEE?

Post once manned by Bill Milf (4, Interesting)

Yuioup (452151) | more than 3 years ago | (#35347752)

If I remember correctly there was some guy name Bill Milf [wikipedia.org] who had a similar position. Did that ever amount to anything?

Re:Post once manned by Bill Milf (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35347806)

I really love Mr. Milf's porn! And Mr. Hairy's and especially Ms. Hairy-Milf's porn!

Assimilation (1, Insightful)

QuietLagoon (813062) | more than 3 years ago | (#35347760)

It has begun....

.
Does anyone really think Microsoft wants to partner with the Open Source people?

Microsoft is out to destroy the Open Source community. Why else would Microsoft prohibit Open Source apps from the Windows Phone 7 Marketplace [theinquirer.net]?

Re:Assimilation (1)

calmofthestorm (1344385) | more than 3 years ago | (#35348000)

Destroying the open source community and wanting to hire them because "that's where the developers are" are hardly contradictory. They gotta eat somehow...

Re:Assimilation (3, Insightful)

causality (777677) | more than 3 years ago | (#35348090)

Destroying the open source community and wanting to hire them because "that's where the developers are" are hardly contradictory. They gotta eat somehow...

If that's where the developers are it's partly because Microsoft's business practices and general stagnation drove them there.

16 years ago (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35347766)

I lost all faith in MS as a company, swore I would never use their products again. Have not used them in 16 years.

I still don't trust them, and I don't trust open source projects that get into bed with microsoft.

Good luck with that (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 3 years ago | (#35347796)

I suspect this is a PR stunt more than anything. Even if MS were serious about it, it wouldn't work. Combining a for-profit company and the OSS philosophy of selfless idealism (which the OSS community often embraces in its most extreme and uncompromising form, no less) almost always results in failure. Just look at Canonical. They tried to do it, only to end up under fire [slashdot.org] for even the mildest moves towards making money. Combining "I want to give everything away for free, including all our IP" with "I want to make money" is just a very tough proposition.

Re:Good luck with that (1)

causality (777677) | more than 3 years ago | (#35348116)

I suspect this is a PR stunt more than anything. Even if MS were serious about it, it wouldn't work. Combining a for-profit company and the OSS philosophy of selfless idealism (which the OSS community often embraces in its most extreme and uncompromising form, no less) almost always results in failure. Just look at Canonical. They tried to do it, only to end up under fire [slashdot.org] for even the mildest moves towards making money. Combining "I want to give everything away for free, including all our IP" with "I want to make money" is just a very tough proposition.

The viable Open Source companies like Red Hat generally sell support and enterprise features. It seems to work well for them.

Big Society (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35347800)

Steve Ballmer is the same type of creep as George W. Bush or David Cameron. Instead of Open Source think Compassionate Conservatism or Big Society. It's all the same thing and just a way to market useful idiots as being in the club and get them to work for free. If it doesn't make them and their pals a profit (or reduce a loss) they'll hang you out to dry the second the going gets difficult.

How about instead of selling out to these toffs people learn management, marketing, and finance themselves so they can provide a better alternative? Microsoft, the Republicans, and the Tories will never change. They just want to be top dog and don't care how they do it. Anyone who things they have changed is wasting their time. It's the 1930's all over again.

Retire the BillG Borg (1, Offtopic)

chrishillman (852550) | more than 3 years ago | (#35347832)

Isn't it time to get rid of the Borg Microsoft Icon? How about a flying chair? Just wondering...

Re:Retire the BillG Borg (1)

Jeng (926980) | more than 3 years ago | (#35347964)

Or, and stick with me because it is a stretch.

Use the Microsoft logo.

Check it out

The Android logo is used for Android.

The Internet Explorer logo is used for Internet Explorer

And get this

The Apple logo is used for Apple.

Considering this, shouldn't the Microsoft logo be used for Microsoft stories?

Director of Open Source Communities? (2)

140Mandak262Jamuna (970587) | more than 3 years ago | (#35347842)

Would the Open Source Communities agree to be directed by the director paid by Microsoft? Shouldn't the job title be something along the lines of manager/director of relationship/liaison with open source communities? Or Microsoft thinks it can just move in and claim ownership by fiat? What happened to embrace and extend before extinguish?

Re:Director of Open Source Communities? (1)

Magnus Pym (237274) | more than 3 years ago | (#35348106)

"Director" is a business title, like "Director of Software", "Director of Business Development", "Director of Engineering", "Director of Sales" etc. In this case, it means it is a senior role with good pay & perks, and probably a decent-sized staff.

not for long (1)

mnajem (642318) | more than 3 years ago | (#35347844)

Just guess how long he'll be able to sustain the pressure and self-conflicting issue there

When someone removes a turd from a punchbowl (5, Insightful)

phonewebcam (446772) | more than 3 years ago | (#35347850)

No one wants to take a drink from it, no matter how thoroughly they claim to have cleaned it.

What flavor of Open? (1)

PPH (736903) | more than 3 years ago | (#35347956)

Are we going to see a sudden outpouring of love for the GPL/LGPL? Or are we talking 'open' as in something Microsoft can scoop up and build into their proprietary product suites?

I think it will be closer to option B.

Re:What flavor of Open? (1)

oliverthered (187439) | more than 3 years ago | (#35348170)

probably either peer review or collaborative.

Microsoft does have it's own open-source thing going on. I've not, and will not, use anything from CrApple, but it's claimed they churn out some good closed source stuff... and things like Web Kit which was FOSS but they decided they wanted to take control from the KDE chaps. (I suppose that's one less thing for the KDE team to support now though and Konqi does work with Web-Kit now. I don't think it's default yet just an extra KPart you can install)

We've come a long long way baby! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35347966)

I'm reminded of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XEujPG7Zjw

First they Laugh at you.
Then they fight you.
Then you win.

I think we won. :)

Balmer and his world (1)

hsmyers (142611) | more than 3 years ago | (#35348068)

In order for this to happen, "...Steve Ballmer and crew are a long way from completely erasing their poor reputation in Linux and open source circles." Steve and crew would have to be in the same universe with the open source community--- not going to happen. His philosophy (or what passes for one) and that of the community are completely, COMPLETELY, antithetical to each other. Don't know if there is a 'law', but a compromise between assholes and good people can only result in the good people becoming less good...

Gut Feel Only... (1)

BoRegardless (721219) | more than 3 years ago | (#35348070)

Microsoft won't really change until the BOD inserts a new CEO.

Reputation and memory of the current occupant is distinctly distasteful.

umm.. Not sure about the unqualified 'mostly bit' (1)

oliverthered (187439) | more than 3 years ago | (#35348128)

I'm not sure how Microsoft would say that developers are mostly in the open source world...
I've worked with many and mostly, though they use open source... Their often not giving back, or not getting the value out of fixing or improving it, just within the company with no kick back.

I've also worked with many who do contribute to open-source.... they tend to be the better ones, often self-taught.

I'm not sure if it the teaching and improving ones self bit that makes them generally better and so brings them to open source. But often that's a bit of a mix for doing your own thing (authority wise) and also being able to keep up and adapt to the fast pace of change in the software industry.

The bad 'closed source' ones, are often jobs worth, write buggy crap (you wouldn't want anyone to see it that's for sure), and 'yes men' who often find all manner of excuses to keep the crap flowing out of their minds and into the code or other people's faces... I suppose that's one way to keep your job and suck up to the boss, whilst being able to blame issues on other people or develop a skill and excuses and manipulation beyond the reasonable.

I think a better, more qualified way of putting it could be,
Most of the good developers work in open-source or in an open-source way... not only are they quick to adapt to things, good at self-management and dealing with 'customers' and faults... but their work is often publicly available and easy to look at, with temporal data. (including support, quality, configuration, documentation and people management etc... they do).

Denver Open Source Group meets @ MicroSoft tonight (1)

peter303 (12292) | more than 3 years ago | (#35348154)

MicroSoft generously supplies a meeting room. Some of their people attend, but dont give presentations. Job recruiters come too. There are 10x job openings per person looking.

Story (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35348160)

An endless list of no-no's for development. And possibly money.
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Sounds Familiar... (4, Interesting)

corychristison (951993) | more than 3 years ago | (#35348200)

Anyone remember when Daniel Robbins (founder of Gentoo Linux) went to work for MS?

From Wikipedia [wikipedia.org]

Robbins' move to Microsoft, on 13 June 2005, attracted attention[15][16] within the Linux community, which has historically had a combative relationship with Microsoft. He described his role working for Bill Hilf as "...helping Microsoft to understand Open Source and community-based projects..."[17]

However, Robbins resigned less than a year later on 16 January 2006 due to frustrations that he was unable to fully utilize his technical skills in this position. His new job is at ABC Coding Solutions where he will be focused on building in .NET on Windows.[18]

I'm quite certain he browses Slashdot, perhaps he could chime in on what Microsoft has been up to?

What Microsoft is doing (4, Funny)

return 42 (459012) | more than 3 years ago | (#35348228)

Microsoft knows the FOSS community has some power now. So instead of their old tactics, they're trying to be nice. Diplomatic.

As in, diplomacy is the art of saying "nice doggie" whilst you find a rock.

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