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Google's Nexus S, A Look At Gingerbread

CmdrTaco posted more than 3 years ago | from the center-of-the-candy-house dept.

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MojoKid writes "Google's Nexus S smartphone has a lot of interesting features, but the one that attracts the most attention is the fact that it ships with the latest version of the Android smartphone operating system, version 2.3. Otherwise known as Gingerbread, this OS is said to be the fastest version of Android yet. In addition to Gingerbread, the Nexus S touts a 4-inch Super AMOLED display, a 1GHz Samsung Hummingbird processor, and 16GB of internal memory. Its network performance numbers turned out to be relatively impressive as well."

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129 comments

relative to what? (1)

MichaelKristopeit404 (1978298) | more than 3 years ago | (#35350190)

network performance impressive relative to no phone at all?

Re:relative to what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35351678)

I like it when you post because it reminds me that the people I work with aren't actually the dumbest people in the world.

Re:relative to what? (1)

MichaelKristopeit404 (1978298) | more than 3 years ago | (#35351834)

why do you cower?

what are you afraid of?

you're completely pathetic.

Re:relative to what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35353256)

You always say the same thing. You have stagnated.

Re:relative to what? (1)

MichaelKristopeit401 (1976824) | more than 3 years ago | (#35353280)

ur mum's face have stagnated.

why do you cower?

what are you afraid of?

you're completely pathetic.

Really? (5, Informative)

Drathus (152223) | more than 3 years ago | (#35350198)

The phone has been out for almost three months now.

Way to be current.

Re:Really? (4, Informative)

Drathus (152223) | more than 3 years ago | (#35350224)

Oh, and I've had Gingerbread (2.3.2 currently) on my first gen Droid for about a month now thanks to the folks at CyanogenMod. So even if this were a piece about the OS alone it's still horribly old news.

Re:Really? (1)

roc97007 (608802) | more than 3 years ago | (#35351704)

How is Gingerbread working on your Droid? Performance ok? I have a Droid X currently running Froyo. Is there an overriding reason to upgrade? What are the new features?

(We might as well talk about this, the original article was pointless.)

Re:Really? (1)

DRMShill (1157993) | more than 3 years ago | (#35351778)

I have it on my Droid 1 via Project Elite v5. I just had better luck with it than Cyanogen. It's definitely faster than 2.2. Feature wise about the only thing that really stands out to me is that voip is built into the settings.

Re:Really? (2)

Drathus (152223) | more than 3 years ago | (#35351794)

It runs wonderfully.

Gingerbread is mostly FroYo with a few UI tweaks and some general performance tuning. Battery life on a nightly test build of CM7 is better than stable FroYo was.

The new additions to the Android codebase that came in with it (NFC, etc) aren't of use to most devices, but the rest of the changes are worth it.

Ice Cream Sandwich will be a fun one to see when that comes out.

Re:Really? (1)

Funnnny (1409625) | more than 3 years ago | (#35353746)

I got increase from around 3.2 -> 5.2 Mflops with CyanogenMod 7 (from CM6->CM7, the stock rom only got ~1Mflops).
Performance is super, but there's a few little bug left.
And btw, my phone is HTC WIldfire

Re:Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35352162)

its a mod tho...

Re:Really? (2)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 3 years ago | (#35350232)

in all fairness, they're more up-to-date than HTC, Samsung, LG, Motorola, and everyone else still shipping older OS versions. Hell, many will never release an OS update.

Re:Really? (1)

Nadaka (224565) | more than 3 years ago | (#35350248)

Absolutely, I just got froyo on my samsung phone last week, after it was promised to arrive before thanksgiving last year.

Re:Really? (1)

Drathus (152223) | more than 3 years ago | (#35350332)

However a Gingerbread leak for the i9000 Galaxy S phones has shown up, so hopefully they're working faster on that than they did getting you guys FroYo.

Re:Really? (1)

thegarbz (1787294) | more than 3 years ago | (#35350460)

Really? Sounds like you have a problem with your carrier blocking the updates then. Galaxy S phones have been available here for many months with froyo. My upgrade went smoothly last year too, and I don't live in a country like the USA or europe which ever gets shiny new things in a reasonable time frame.

Re:Really? (1)

Nadaka (224565) | more than 3 years ago | (#35352334)

possibly, sprint had to cripple tethering so they can charge extra on top of the huge delay samsung had for delivering froyo for the epic.

Re:Really? (1)

rwa2 (4391) | more than 3 years ago | (#35350558)

Ha, that doesn't sound so bad...

On T-Mobile, I'd been waiting for an update from Android 1.6 to 2.2 (for an HTC myTouch 3G). They'd been saying it'd be out "just next month" since I bought it in 3/2010. The OTA update finally hit on 12/2010. Still no sign of 2.3 Froyo.

Sounds like you haven't been waiting very long in comparison ^_^

Yes, on my other phone (HTC myTouch 3G Slide) I simply CM6'd it.

Re:Really? (1)

Totenglocke (1291680) | more than 3 years ago | (#35350782)

On T-Mobile, I'd been waiting for an update from Android 1.6 to 2.2 (for an HTC myTouch 3G). They'd been saying it'd be out "just next month" since I bought it in 3/2010. The OTA update finally hit on 12/2010. Still no sign of 2.3 Froyo.

FYI, 2.2 IS Froyo.

Re:Really? (1)

rwa2 (4391) | more than 3 years ago | (#35351288)

Ooh, yeah... then I meant we have 2.1 now ... and still waiting on 2.2 OTA (my CM6 device is already running 2.2.1 or something)

I can never keep all my desserts straight in my head :P

Re:Really? (1)

Movi (1005625) | more than 3 years ago | (#35352800)

No you're not. 2.1 was Eclair, and MT3G never had that one (oficially anyway). It went straight 1.6 (Donut) -> 2.2 (Froyo) (and then consequently 2.2.1)

2.3 is Gingerbread.

Re:Really? (1)

AvitarX (172628) | more than 3 years ago | (#35351204)

Cliq XT had a similar issue, but it was 1.5

Fortunately TMO hooked people up with G2's or MyTouch 4Gs if they called.

Re:Really? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35350246)

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Re:Really? (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 3 years ago | (#35350274)

Nice Slashvertisement - note the user's profile link, and the site both in-article links point to.

We like blinkie things that cost money. When isn't there a Slashvertisement?

Re:Really? (0)

SnoopJeDi (859765) | more than 3 years ago | (#35350254)

Gingerbread has only been out for the Nexus for about a week though. It's a first look at what might be coming to other devices still running Froyo. To be fair though, TFA is a device review, NOT an article strictly about Gingerbread on the Nexus.

Re:Really? (3, Informative)

Drathus (152223) | more than 3 years ago | (#35350356)

No, it hasn't.

It's been out for the Nexus One for about a week. The summary clearly says the Nexus S. Which has had Gingerbread since it launched in December.

And as I noted in my reply to my own post up there, I've been running Gingerbread on my first-gen Droid thanks to 3rd party ROM makers for about a month. So even if it's Gingerbread only, it's still not news.

Re:Really? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35350662)

Then move on and don't read. Not so hard, is it?

Re:Really? (1)

TrancePhreak (576593) | more than 3 years ago | (#35350416)

The Nexus S shipped with Gingerbread. The Nexus One got Gingerbread this past week.

Re:Really? (1)

C_Kode (102755) | more than 3 years ago | (#35350568)

I can't confirm that Google has released OTA updates for the Nexus One anywhere.

Re:Really? (1)

mauriceh (3721) | more than 3 years ago | (#35350688)

I can.
I got the OTA on my N1 last week on Thursday.
Thousands of others did.
Read some of the Android and Nexus One forums!

Re:Really? (1)

TooMuchToDo (882796) | more than 3 years ago | (#35352290)

Indeed they have. My Nexus One updated itself last night to Gingerbread (and it is *sweet*).

Re:Really? (1)

medv4380 (1604309) | more than 3 years ago | (#35352430)

I got my update this morning.

Re:Really? (1)

mlts (1038732) | more than 3 years ago | (#35350278)

The Nexus S isn't really new, although for any modders, it is the only game in town for making ROMs that don't require kexec() tricks to get around signed kernels and other crap.

What I'm looking forward is Google's next reference model with the hardware to support the 3.x Android versions. Hopefully this model will have a SDXC card slot, a decent amount of RAM, multiple cores. Maybe even a model with a sliding keyboard, which makes a life a lot easier when doing some serious UNIX commands.

Re:Really? (1)

Threni (635302) | more than 3 years ago | (#35352296)

Maybe even a working touch-screen..you know, with multitouch? And a fix for some of the other shit like floods of events when you touch the screen. Oh, and fix that slow float directbuffer put. Put some effort into making Android gaming platform. That way you might get some games which don't completely suck. Angry Birds is ok, but jesus fucking christ - is an public domain quality Amiga game the best we can do on a 1ghz+ platform 20 years on?

Re:Really? (1)

JAlexoi (1085785) | more than 3 years ago | (#35351486)

Never mind the fact that Gingerbread is on Nexus One already...

Doesn't look fastest to me... (2)

Desler (1608317) | more than 3 years ago | (#35350230)

Otherwise known as Gingerbread, this OS is said to be the fastest version of Android yet.

Based on what? If 2.3 is the fastest android yet, why does the Nexus S fare as the 2nd worst in Javascript performance, fare worse than 2 Android 2.2 phones on Linpack and only narrowly edges out Android 2.1 phones in FPS on An3dBench. So unless the Nexus S is causing all these performance issues, these numbers don't anywhere at all show 2.3 to be faster in any sort of definitive way.

Re:Doesn't look fastest to me... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35350380)

Nexus S scored 2nd BEST in Javascript performance. In that chart smaller numbers are better.

Re:Doesn't look fastest to me... (1)

Desler (1608317) | more than 3 years ago | (#35350548)

Okay, my bad on that. Still, it's only narrowing edging out 2.1 phones in An3dBench, and is behind in every other metric in the article behind a 2.2 phone.

Re:Doesn't look fastest to me... (1)

GooberToo (74388) | more than 3 years ago | (#35351276)

You do understand that applications can play a far, far bigger role in application performance than the underlying OS...right? Well, for most applications anyways.

Your question appears to be rather loaded with the intent to troll. Even if it did get slower, the article is about OS,not web browsers. Furthermore, regressions are hardly unheard of. But, as someone already pointed out, the browser is pretty fast despite what appears to be a trolling effort to misdirect people.

Measuring application performance is not measuring OS performance. Though admittedly, OS performance is frequently a subset of application performance. Just the same, unless they are specifically breaking down the performance metric into application and system, any guess as to the break down is meaningless.

Re:Doesn't look fastest to me... (1)

Desler (1608317) | more than 3 years ago | (#35351986)

Your question appears to be rather loaded with the intent to troll. Even if it did get slower, the article is about OS,not web browsers. Furthermore, regressions are hardly unheard of. But, as someone already pointed out, the browser is pretty fast despite what appears to be a trolling effort to misdirect people.

How am I trolling? Saying something you don't like or disagree with is not trolling. The article was saying that Gingerbread "is said to be the fastest version of Android yet" yet all their benchmarks with Android 2.1 and 2.2 phone show them to be faster in almost every case. The only case the Nexus S was faster was by a fraction of a percent in one benchmark. Their data can't substantiate the initial claim.

Crappy Colors in Gingerbread (3, Interesting)

jmd (14060) | more than 3 years ago | (#35350236)

I got the update last night on the nexus one. I was p*issed when it rebooted and the theme was totally different. I am not fond of a bright green LED colors on a black background. give me back my silver and gray. These colors do not work well with natural scenes in wallpaper like the golden gate bridge shot.

Re:Crappy Colors in Gingerbread (2)

amRadioHed (463061) | more than 3 years ago | (#35350472)

I don't have an opinion on the green icons, I can give or take them, but the black notification bar is great. When using my phone at night I didn't like being blinded by the unnecessary white.

Re:Crappy Colors in Gingerbread (2)

geekoid (135745) | more than 3 years ago | (#35350636)

Yeah, someone changing the back ground is worth getting pissed about. Sheesh, spoiled much?

Sure it's frustrating, maybe inconvenient, but pissed? please.

Re:Crappy Colors in Gingerbread (2)

GweeDo (127172) | more than 3 years ago | (#35351504)

They didn't change the background, they changed the color temperatures of the AMOLED display.

Re:Crappy Colors in Gingerbread (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35352558)

On the Nexus S, yes (most people seem to hate it, which is just odd that they did it then). But the OP said Nexus One, which I never heard of them doing that with....

Re:Crappy Colors in Gingerbread (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35350656)

The theme wasn't designed to be sexy, it was designed to save battery life on OLED screens.

Though compared to the fugly 2.2 theme I'd say it does look sexy.

How do I deprogram myself? (2)

Sovetskysoyuz (1832938) | more than 3 years ago | (#35350250)

I'm appalled at myself. The first thing I noticed in the summary was 'That should be "its", not "it's".

Re:How do I deprogram myself? (2)

ScentCone (795499) | more than 3 years ago | (#35350386)

Why be appalled? Attention to detail and the desire to parse a writer's actual meaning aren't bad things. It means you actually understand the distinction, and that you give a damn about clear thinking and clear communication. You don't want to get rid of that.

Re:How do I deprogram myself? (1)

NatasRevol (731260) | more than 3 years ago | (#35350454)

6 months on crack & meth aught to do it...

Re:How do I deprogram myself? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35350488)

It's 'ought' that you're looking for.

ARGH! I CAN'T STOP!

Re:How do I deprogram myself? (1)

NatasRevol (731260) | more than 3 years ago | (#35351660)

See the three little dashes at the end of my comment?

Re:How do I deprogram myself? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35350580)

Yeah, but also say goodbye to your job, your reputation, your teeth, probably your home. Possibly your life. Not worth it.

Re:How do I deprogram myself? (1)

Clay1985 (1998750) | more than 3 years ago | (#35350924)

First thing I noticed as well. Is there a support group for us?

speed test numbers are worthless (1)

sdavid (556770) | more than 3 years ago | (#35350294)

The speed test numbers in the article are worthless. I tried the first test (ba.net) on my iphone GS from home where I'm on a pretty middle-of-the road DSL line, and got about twice the download speed reported in the article. Using the speed test app on the same phone, the results I generally see represent the limit of my DSL line. The point isn't to defend the iphone, I'm sure there are faster/better phones out there. The point is that the testing methodology is poor and the results in the article are poo. (You can also see that the wifi tests are limited by the tester's network connection: the upload/download rates are different. That is a characteristic of a DSL line, not wifi itself which should show similar speeds in both directions.)

Progress (2)

gTsiros (205624) | more than 3 years ago | (#35350402)

A machine with twice the firepower of my first computer but which can't do even half of what the computer did.

yay.

Re:Progress (2)

Drathus (152223) | more than 3 years ago | (#35350448)

I'm pretty sure a USB controller has more firepower than my first computer did.

Even if you limit me to my first IBM compatible my Droid still blows that out of the water, both in terms of firepower /and/ functionality.

Re:Progress (2)

gTsiros (205624) | more than 3 years ago | (#35350554)

I could transcode video, compile a kernel, had an office suite, write code, etcetcet on 433MHz celeron with 128MB.

the functionality-to-specifications ratio is abysmal.

and don't get me started on what people pay for, today. A tea timer is an "app" ? I *pay* for that? For what i can do with my calculator and two lines of code? Or what my featurephone does on its own?

It's a fucking joke.

Re:Progress (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35350648)

I can transcode video, complile a kernel, have an office suit (yes openoffice is a bit awful to use), etcetcetc on 650 MHz ARMv7 with 256MB.

And all this while still maintaining a more than 2 hours of use (not bad for a 4.8Wh battery)

Not to mention what i can make with PySide and QtQuick, Nokia had something with the N900.

Well, I am hopeful for the Qt on Android effort.

Re:Progress (0)

geekoid (135745) | more than 3 years ago | (#35350690)

Phones can do everything your first computer could.

The same thing could be said by anyone in theior field.

A carpenter could say:
"and don't get me started on what people pay for, today. A spice rack is an "wood work" ? I *pay* for that? For what i can do with my tool in two minutes?"

I wouldn't pay for one, but yes, some people would. I can't comment on the app you mention because I am not familiar with it. I assume it doesn't have any graphic, or notification, or animations feature. Otherwise you couldn't do that in two lines of code, could you?

You're a fucking joke.

Re:Progress (2)

gTsiros (205624) | more than 3 years ago | (#35350940)

Phones can do everything your first computer could.

Can they, now? i mentioned 4 things i could do on my first computer that i couldn't do on my milestone. I could make a bigger list, but it would be all for naught since you're not even reading.

Re:Progress (0)

geekoid (135745) | more than 3 years ago | (#35351346)

What a cop-out. You know what? The shuttle was built in the 70s, but my new modern phones can't even take me to the Space Station. Maybe they ahve different purposes?

The real point is that you're a whiny bitch that gets his dick hard from being a myopic non thinker.

Enjoy your irrelevancy.

Re:Progress (2)

MozeeToby (1163751) | more than 3 years ago | (#35350868)

No one pays for simple apps. At least no one with any intelligence levels to speak of. Searching the marketplace for 'egg timer' returns dozens of free timer applications. I'm perfectly willing to admit that not having a simple timer as one of the basic apps that come with the phone seems like an oversight, but it's one that, thanks to the ability to download and instal new (and generally free) software, is easily remedied.

I'm confused why you would want to write code, edit office documents, or compile a kernel on your phone but if you insist on being able to do those things there are all kinds of apps available. DocumentsToGo lets you view, edit, and create documents right on your phone for $15, appears to have good reviews, and was found with 10s of searching the marketplace. Touchqode similarly lets you view, edit, and compile code (Java, c++, Ruby, PHP, etc) and is even free or if you want a full experience you can unlock root and simply use VI or Emacs. Why on earth you'd want to do those things with a tiny screen and touch keyboard is beyond me but they are there. I'd be shocked if there aren't apps to transcode video as well, but I think I've made my point.

Re:Progress (1)

gTsiros (205624) | more than 3 years ago | (#35350956)

> Why on earth you'd want to do those things with a tiny screen

i can compile, assemble, debug dissassemble and decompile on my fucking calculator.

a device with three orders of magnitude more powerful should do these without even a question.

it's waste of hardware, at the very least.

Re:Progress (1)

MozeeToby (1163751) | more than 3 years ago | (#35351022)

Did you miss the part where I pointed you to software that allowed you to do these things on your phone?

Re:Progress (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35352114)

I suspect the part that's missing is the brain.

Re:Progress (1)

fran6gagne (1467469) | more than 3 years ago | (#35351622)

Could you phone or text-message from anywhere with your first computer? Could you use GPS localisation? Could you put it in your pocket? Sure you can compare the hardware between a computer and a smartphone, but comparing the functionality is like comparing oranges and apples, it is two completly differents things.

Re:Progress (1)

AvitarX (172628) | more than 3 years ago | (#35351770)

I can name 4 things I can do on my phone that your computer couldn't do.

Most of those things can't be done because no one wants to write the software for it.

Though, if I wanted those things, I'd install Debian on the phone.

Re:Progress (1)

CharlyFoxtrot (1607527) | more than 3 years ago | (#35352352)

I could transcode video, compile a kernel, had an office suite, write code, etcetcet on 433MHz celeron with 128MB.

the functionality-to-specifications ratio is abysmal.

and don't get me started on what people pay for, today. A tea timer is an "app" ? I *pay* for that? For what i can do with my calculator and two lines of code? Or what my featurephone does on its own?

It's a fucking joke.

Install gcc toolchain on the iPhone [google.com]
DocumentsToGo [dataviz.com] office suite for iPhone.
Nimbus [nimbustouch.com] source code editor for iOS.
ffmpeg for iPhone [google.com]

You can do whatever you want on these phones. It's just that people haven't bothered writing polished applications to do most of the stuff you're suggesting can be done better, faster and easier on other platforms, for now at least.

Re:Progress (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#35352754)

I can do all that on my phone. What is the problem?

Heck, I had a full ubuntu running at one point on it.

Re:Progress (1)

amRadioHed (463061) | more than 3 years ago | (#35350500)

You are comparing a phone to a general purpose computer? Why not compare it to your first phone and see how it fares? A phone isn't supposed to do everything your desktop does, but the stuff it can do is pretty amazing.

Re:Progress (2)

gTsiros (205624) | more than 3 years ago | (#35350594)

And how can you differentiate between a "general purpose computer" that has an intel architecture, ram, a screen and a keyboard and a "phone" that has a more powerful cpu, more ram, a screen and a keyboard? It certainly has the horsepower, what does it do with it? ... nothing.

Re:Progress (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35350758)

Nothing? I regularly wish just half the apps that exist on Android existed for the PC. Desktop development has come to a complete halt.

Re:Progress (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 3 years ago | (#35351358)

Nothing?

Ah, the real problem here is that you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

Re:Progress (2)

gotpoetry (1185519) | more than 3 years ago | (#35351452)

They play hi definition movies, take high def movies, stream live tv, give you real time driving directions beamed with coordinates down from outer fucking space, allow you to talk to people from across the world or in outer space, receive messages in text from anywhere (even outer space) when you are almost anywhere (even space), transcribe the voice messages people leave you into text you can sort of read if they speak clearly, translate spoken words and phrases into and from languages you don't speak, store 32 GB of data on a swappable chip the size of your pinky nail, identify any constellation in the heavens just by pointing the fricking thing at the star up in the sky, identify any song you are currently hearing just by letting your phone listen too... or in other words, nothing.

FFS, you read like a Neo Luddite and you need to stop.

Just. Stop.

Re:Progress (1)

gTsiros (205624) | more than 3 years ago | (#35352396)

yet it manages to not implement fucking SMS delivery notification properly, which is what a normal phone 10 years old could do. Set aside i don't trust it to send an sms to the proper receipient.

plus, no coordinates are transmitted. The GPS sats don't send coordinates... how could they know your location anyway? So no.

> identify any song you are currently hearing just by letting your phone listen too

was (and is) a standard feature of $100 featurephones.

Things you consider so amazing, i consider pointless gimmicks when the most basic things the PHONE should do, it doesn't do.

quit licking google's bumhole. I could run a fullblown linux distro on this kind of hardware, yet on the milestone i was scrambling to find the 'record call' button... which doesn't exist. So i went to find a way to enter a text note? there is no builtin text editing option (there's a 'facebook app' though!). So something i could do with *three* different ways when i had the 5 year old windoze 5 htc wizard (keep the list of groceries that was coming through the phone) was nigh impossible on the top-of-the-line milestone.

Re:Progress (1)

bberens (965711) | more than 3 years ago | (#35350622)

Okay, you know those charts that show the evolution of man from the ape-like figure to the modern human? This sub-thread made me want to make a chart like that but for adult material. From ascii art on BBSes up to high-def on a large screen in 3-d, and then back down to 4" android screen. :(

Re:Progress (1)

Funnnny (1409625) | more than 3 years ago | (#35353774)

Can you carry your computer, check mail and play 3D games when you're taking a bus ?

Unique (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35350524)

The most unique things about the Nexus S aren't even mentioned in the summary, how pathetic.

1) The display is curved (to match the contours of your face).

2) It has an NFC chip...hence, the need for Gingerbread.

I believe that for both, it is a first.

Re:Unique (1)

FTWinston (1332785) | more than 3 years ago | (#35351768)

Having owned a Nexus S since December, I can safely say:
1) Curved display is a non-feature. Seriously, I don't notice it at all.
2) There's nowhere I can use the NFC chip yet. Apparently soon I'll be able to interact with billboards or some crap. Until its ubiquitous, NFC likely won't be much use.

Still a great phone though.

N1a better deal (2)

steveblue (2006604) | more than 3 years ago | (#35350660)

While a good phone, I would suggest bang for buck - a better "best android experience" option is to buy a used Nexus One on ebay. I did so, great price; HTC honors the warranty if still time applicable ( I dropped my phone one week after getting it and they immediately sent me a new one). There is not a big spec difference with the Nexus1 and the NexusS - and if anything HTC is know for better build quality and customer service. This "cheap" solution gives you the latest and best android experience ( I have 2.3.3) that you own and can use anywhere ( no carrier crapware, wait for updates) for a good price -- you might even save money if you sell your current phone.

haven't seen a bigger advertising campaign (1, Informative)

korkakak (1012065) | more than 3 years ago | (#35350902)

my n8 from which i am currently posting can do hands down 9mbps in wifi networking @ speednet.net let alone gprs. So please spare us with the google's white knight there is *better hardware*

whatever happened to gingerbread on the n1? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35350976)

whatever happened to gingerbread on the n1? oh that's right google shafted the n1 users to gift @samsung sales on the Samsung s with gingerbread...

Re:whatever happened to gingerbread on the n1? (1)

AndrewNeo (979708) | more than 3 years ago | (#35351116)

That's really weird.. what is this [google.com] then?

Re:whatever happened to gingerbread on the n1? (1)

Daetrin (576516) | more than 3 years ago | (#35353326)

Uh, i got the Gingerbread OTA update on my Nexus One last night. They announced it sometime last week. Everyone with an N1 should have the update within another week or two.

Why installing Android 2.3? Has anyone rooted it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35351038)

I heard that rooting Android is possible with Froyo phones but not with Gingerbread phones. Does anyone know if this still holds true ?

Re:Why installing Android 2.3? Has anyone rooted i (2)

AndrewNeo (979708) | more than 3 years ago | (#35351162)

If you have a custom bootloader it's always possible to root (because it can take modified upgrade packages)

Re:Why installing Android 2.3? Has anyone rooted i (1)

crazycheetah (1416001) | more than 3 years ago | (#35352736)

The Nexus S, which came with Gingerbread, has been rooted... I've also rooted my Droid and am running Gingerbread on it as root, running root apps--admittedly, the former is the better proof that you can root Gingerbread. I don't know where you heard that, but I don't see logic behind it other than someone bullshitting people for whatever reason. Now, if you get certain phones with Gingerbread when they come out (Motorola is probably the biggest name here, unless they decide to take their Xoom strategy to their future phones as well, which I doubt for some reason), then it'll be a little bit tougher and more restricted. Those are still likely to at least get root, though (Milestone, Droid 2, Droid X, etc. have been rooted, but the bootloaders are locked, causing a whole 'nother mess of problems restricting some of the fun you can have with rooting).

Gapless MP3s (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35351110)

So does it FINALLY have gapless playback for MP3 files?

Still horrid for audio (3, Interesting)

sunking2 (521698) | more than 3 years ago | (#35351136)

45ms "low latency" audio compared to the iWhichever's 10ms. Decent guitar apps are impossible with any Android. Say what you want, Apple seems to do a better job from the get go.

Re:Still horrid for audio (1)

treeves (963993) | more than 3 years ago | (#35351282)

What do you mean by "guitar app"?
A tuner, an app to show chord charts and demonstrate their sounds should work fine regardless of latency. Do you mean you want to simulate playing a guitar with your phone? what the heck for?

Re:Still horrid for audio (1)

sunking2 (521698) | more than 3 years ago | (#35351360)

Something similar to amplitube for the iphone which mixes and models amps and effects similar to a korg pandora. Can't even come close to being able to do it on an Android

Re:Still horrid for audio (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 3 years ago | (#35351470)

What are you talking about? in order to be low latency it must be 45ms or less. Not, all low latency apps are 45ms.

It's a spec issue, not a device issue.
and for a global broad definition, 45ms is fine.

Re:Still horrid for audio (4, Informative)

GooberToo (74388) | more than 3 years ago | (#35351560)

According to this thread [google.com] , the new hardware specifications provides 10ms "low latency." The "45ms" number is the number bring thrown around to get people upset without actually knowing what that number means.

Basically, 45ms allows for the audio pipeline to already be filled, and remains filled, and perhaps (likely even) by other applications. That's hardly unreasonable. The 10ms number, AS PROVIDED BY LATEST HARDWARE SPECS, means the pipeline is available for immediate use. For dedicated applications, which largely covers the low latency audio demands of current developers, the 10ms number is what everyone actually wants, and seemingly is provided.

Meaning, existing hardware may or may not be able to satisfy real "low latency" demands, but, new hardware will.

It appears Gingerbread really does address low latency demands, however, it also appears existing hardware (drivers) are not capable of doing better. Looks like things are looking up for next gen hardware and low latency audio requirements.

To summarize, android hardware requirements define two audio latency numbers which pertain to your complaint. One is continuous audio. The second is warm audio. The first is for a continuously filled audio pipeline; seemingly from any source. The second is for an empty pipeline. The former requires 45ms. The later requires 10ms.

Re:Still horrid for audio (1)

turbclnt (1776692) | more than 3 years ago | (#35352598)

Wait, wait...lemme get this straight...are you complaining that you can't play a pseudo-video guitar from your *phone*? Really? Are you planning to serenade someone in the park on your phone (pls post vids if you do!) Are you going to complain next that the strings on said video guitar don't feel like actual strings on actual guitars?

As a sidenote, I'm irritated that my doghouse isn't designed to fit a wolly mammoth.

Nexus One was pretty good (1)

mathimus1863 (1120437) | more than 3 years ago | (#35351746)

I have had a Nexus One for almost a year now, and I absolutely adore it. I was quite disappointed to see that it got mediocre reviews. At worst, internet access can be a little slow (and a bit more latency than I'd like). But it has every sensor in the world, and a decent [enough] battery life. I'm also quite fond of having vanilla Android, because it means upgrade immediately (I got a gingerbread upgrade notification today, actually), and the OS doesn't risk being bastardized by some provider company with less-capable software people than Google.

If my Nexus One broke today, I'd buy a Nexus S in a heartbeat.

Re:Nexus One was pretty good (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 3 years ago | (#35352802)

One thing I hate about N1 (and all phones with OLED displays) is that crappy PenTile matrix, where the actual resolution is, on average, 1/3 less than what the specs claim. Looks like this is finally getting fixed in Galaxy S II, but I wonder if there will be a corresponding Nexus S II. I'd buy that.

Re:Nexus One was pretty good (1)

Timmmm (636430) | more than 3 years ago | (#35353368)

> But it has every sensor in the world

Bah I have one too and I wish it had gyros. And there are other things missing, like proper multi-touch, HDMI, a front-facing camera, and a camera button.

> I'm also quite fond of having vanilla Android, because it means upgrade immediately (I got a gingerbread upgrade notification today, actually)

If by 'immediately' you mean 'in three months', then yes! (Yeah I know... Cyanogen, etc.)

The Nexus One is great (helps that it was free!), but let's not distort the facts.

"Memory" is not Flash (2)

markdavis (642305) | more than 3 years ago | (#35352248)

>"...16GB of internal memory."

No, it has 16GB of internal flash storage, not "memory". I believe it has 512MB of memory, like most high-end Android phones (Evo, DroidX, etc).

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