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George RR Martin Finishes A Dance With Dragons

Unknown Lamer posted more than 3 years ago | from the blind-guardian-seems-to-like-it dept.

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Lil'wombat writes "George RR Martin has completed his long awaited conclusion to the A Song of Ice and Fire series. A Dance with Dragons will be published on July 12, 2011. Let the celebrations begin! And everyone was worried that he was going to pull a Jordan."

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frist psot (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35381386)

woohoo!

Not the end... (2)

Maximalist (949682) | more than 3 years ago | (#35381422)

I don't believe that this is the end... More books in the series are anticipated.

Re:Not the end... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35381562)

There are projected to be two more books in the series. Who's running the pool on how many years it will take to release the next book?

Re:Not the end... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35382090)

Yes, there should be 7 books total. Also, this release if his newest book will correspond nicely with the ending of the first season of the HBO show based on this series.

This is not the end (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35381436)

Dance with Dragons is the 4th of 7 planned books. It is not the conclusion to the series.

Re:This is not the end (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35381492)

Its the fifth

Pulling a Jordan (1)

Darthwickett (1741516) | more than 3 years ago | (#35381440)

Too soon?

Re:Pulling a Jordan (2)

ryzvonusef (1151717) | more than 3 years ago | (#35381718)

Nah, with all due respect to the author of my favourite series, he was slow. Though it had more to do with his fascination to delving way too deep into often unnecessary details rather than him unable to write a plot in a first place. (For instance, did he really need to spend all that all that screen time on Galina?). That meant that he ended up wasting too much time summing it up.

Brandon Sanderson really did cut out the "no-doubt-interesting-but-ultimately-irrelevant" plot trivia. That's why he was able to bang out two books in about as many years. Him and Jim Butcher are some of my favorite modern day authors. I highly recommend their works.

Though if you like, you an replace "Pulling a Jordan" with Author Existence Failure [tvtropes.org] , but that will entail you loosing all track of time :P

Re:Pulling a Jordan (2, Interesting)

anyGould (1295481) | more than 3 years ago | (#35381776)

Nah, with all due respect to the author of my favourite series, he was slow. Though it had more to do with his fascination to delving way too deep into often unnecessary details rather than him unable to write a plot in a first place. (For instance, did he really need to spend all that all that screen time on Galina?). That meant that he ended up wasting too much time summing it up.

Brandon Sanderson really did cut out the "no-doubt-interesting-but-ultimately-irrelevant" plot trivia. That's why he was able to bang out two books in about as many years. Him and Jim Butcher are some of my favorite modern day authors. I highly recommend their works.

Though if you like, you an replace "Pulling a Jordan" with Author Existence Failure [tvtropes.org] , but that will entail you loosing all track of time :P

Disclaimer: I am a fan of the Jordan books, although I don't think I could explain the plot to you.

Which is my Preferred Theory on what happened to Jordan: I don't believe he had the whole thing plotted out, and ended up in Twin Peaks land - so many plot points to clear up that it just couldn't be done, and he couldn't decide which ones to abandon. (I think Sanderson has done a great job just focusing on the important ones, while keeping the general style.) But if I had to compare Wheel of Time to another series, it would be like taking all the Dragonlance novels and running them as one continuous series instead of breaking them up into particular three-four book plots.

Re:Pulling a Jordan (1)

anyGould (1295481) | more than 3 years ago | (#35381808)

Also just followed the link, and the post doesn't say the book is done. In fact, it specifically says it's *not* done. All he's done is give himself a public deadline (probably so he *gets* it done by then.)

Re:Pulling a Jordan (1)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 3 years ago | (#35382230)

Heh, well, I'd guess the first step in avoiding "pulling a Jordan" is trying not to. :)

Hey chuckles (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35381450)

There are still two more books left.

A Jordan/Bus incident is still VERY possible.

And while the man might be a brilliant writer have you seen his girth? Heart attack is an option too.

Not a conclusion (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35381454)

A Dance with Dragons is not a conclusion - it's book 5 in a series that is currently expected to run at least 7 books. But then considering that this started out as a trilogy, the final book count is not exactly set in stone.

Not the conclusion (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35381468)

Uhm, there's one more book, not a conclusion.

Definitive proof the world will end in 2012 (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35381470)

First Duke Nukem Forever and now this.

EXCELLENT !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35381474)

I love this, to be able to dance with the dragon. We need more of this, to be able to dance with the dragon. Dance with dragon, available now so buy, Buy, BUY !! Dance with dragon.

He really had that second half written alright.. (4, Informative)

turtledawn (149719) | more than 3 years ago | (#35381486)

I'll echo someone I read a couple of days ago and say this is the longest wait for half of a book I've ever encountered.

Re:He really had that second half written alright. (2)

RapmasterT (787426) | more than 3 years ago | (#35381682)

I'll echo someone I read a couple of days ago and say this is the longest wait for half of a book I've ever encountered.

Agreed. If you can't see a big "F-U" from Martin between the lines, you aren't paying very close attention. 100% due to Martin and Robert Jordan, I will never, EVER pick up and start reading another book series that isn't completed the day I buy the first one. Screw you guys, screw you all.

Re:He really had that second half written alright. (1)

RightSaidFred99 (874576) | more than 3 years ago | (#35382204)

Yeah, I'd put the odds at 50/50 that this series will ever be completed and I'm starting to think about the same policy in terms of epic series. I'll wait for the second book - if it comes out within 1.5 years of the first, I'll read it. Otherwise I might not - why read something that might not ever be finished?

Re:He really had that second half written alright. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35382226)

The vast and sprawling Malazan Book of the Fallen just had its final volume released this week. Say what you will about Erikson - he gets shit done.

Re:He really had that second half written alright. (1)

adavies42 (746183) | more than 3 years ago | (#35381884)

may i introduce you to the chtorr [wikipedia.org] ?

Re:He really had that second half written alright. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35381982)

may i introduce you to the chtorr [wikipedia.org] ?

No shit, been waiting for the Chtorr series to start again for almost FIFTEEN YEARS.

Re:He really had that second half written alright. (1)

hansamurai (907719) | more than 3 years ago | (#35382218)

And this might be the longest half of a book ever clocking in at 1008 pages!

two corrections (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35381502)

1) The link says specifically that the book isn't done but it's close enough to done to give it a publication date

2) It's not the series conclusion. It's the 5th of 7 planned books that was originally supposed to be 3 books total :)

Pull A Jordan? Seriously? (0)

spun (1352) | more than 3 years ago | (#35381506)

I believe it is obvious that Mr. Martin actually had an overall story arc in mind when he first set pen to page in this series. It does not read as though he is just making it up as he goes along, copying and pasting previous story segments while slightly changing the names and circumstances as a shortcut. NO, I do not believe that Mr. Martin had any intention of creating an interminable, never ending cash cow, and then kicking the bucket before penning a finale he never really intended to write.

Was anyone actually worried he would "pull a Jordan?"

Re:Pull A Jordan? Seriously? (1)

ShawnDoc (572959) | more than 3 years ago | (#35381596)

Yes, and we still are. There are still at least 2 more books in the series that need to be written.

Re:Pull A Jordan? Seriously? (2)

RapmasterT (787426) | more than 3 years ago | (#35381704)

Was anyone actually worried he would "pull a Jordan?"

Yes. He's going to be well into his 70's before he's done, and he weighs like 400lbs.

Re:Pull A Jordan? Seriously? (1)

eddy the lip (20794) | more than 3 years ago | (#35381794)

Well, this is a happy coincidence. I was going to throw out an "is this series any good?" question to the /. hordes, but, let's be honest, that would probably tell me nothing. But from other of your posts, I think you can give me a good opinion on that.

I'm not generally a fan of fantasy (notable exceptions: Nevèrÿon, selected Michael Moorcock, Chronicles of Thomas Covenant (although that was a _long_ time ago)), but I've liked Martin's SF short stories. Is this series worth the time investment?

Re:Pull A Jordan? Seriously? (2)

aslagle (441969) | more than 3 years ago | (#35381962)

This is one of the best fantasy series I've ever read.

Actually, it's more what I'd call "realistic" fantasy. Now, before you start telling me that fantasy is by definition not realistic, let me explain.

Martin's characters are some of the most relentlessly human I've seen in a fantasy series. None of the characters, save a few who live on the edges (so far) have been pure good or pure evil. Everybody is a shade of gray.

Add to that the fact that Martin isn't afraid to kill off major characters, and it's a delight to read.

Re:Pull A Jordan? Seriously? (1)

spun (1352) | more than 3 years ago | (#35382216)

Well put, those are exactly the characteristics that I find most enjoyable about Martin's writing.

Re:Pull A Jordan? Seriously? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35382356)

Add to that the fact that Martin isn't afraid to kill off major characters, and it's a delight to read.

Yeah, you never really get that 'safety net' of knowing that your favorite character will survive. It is a hard lesson.

I also haven't noticed any pure good characters, (Ned being the closest) and the only pure evil characters have been of that 'stuff' coming from the north.

Some characters that you hate early you will love later, (haven't really seen the converse) and the closest to 'evil' most get is greedy and power-hungry.

It truly is some of the best writing I have seen and I do appreciate that he is taking the time to write it well rather than quickly, but I am concerned about him kicking it before its done.

Re:Pull A Jordan? Seriously? (1)

slyrat (1143997) | more than 3 years ago | (#35382034)

Well, this is a happy coincidence. I was going to throw out an "is this series any good?" question to the /. hordes, but, let's be honest, that would probably tell me nothing. But from other of your posts, I think you can give me a good opinion on that.

I'm not generally a fan of fantasy (notable exceptions: Nevèrÿon, selected Michael Moorcock, Chronicles of Thomas Covenant (although that was a _long_ time ago)), but I've liked Martin's SF short stories. Is this series worth the time investment?

It very much is. If you want you could wait for the tv show on HBO to air (April I believe) to see if you like it. The politics, story, characters, and setting are all very good and well worth reading.

Re:Pull A Jordan? Seriously? (1)

Attila Dimedici (1036002) | more than 3 years ago | (#35382304)

Personally, I gave up on the series after the second book in which he killed off (mostly at the hands of characters that were unlikable) all of the likable characters from the first book (those that had not died in the first book).

Re:Pull A Jordan? Seriously? (1)

painandgreed (692585) | more than 3 years ago | (#35381812)

It's obvious that he had an overall story arc, but his stories move so slowly that it could have easily taken many, many books to complete. He covers a number of years in four books that other authors might cover in four chapters. Of course, now he's running out of Starks and things are coming to a head, but I have a feeling that if this is the actual conclusion to all the story arcs, it will seem really rushed.

Re:Pull A Jordan? Seriously? (1)

satuon (1822492) | more than 3 years ago | (#35381814)

It does not read as though he is just making it up as he goes along, copying and pasting previous story segments while slightly changing the names and circumstances as a shortcut.

Are you sure you don't mean Mr. Goodkind here? Because this sounds like a lot better description of him.

Re:Pull A Jordan? Seriously? (1)

turtledawn (149719) | more than 3 years ago | (#35381876)

Agreed. Wizard's First Rule was excellent. The second, meh. Third and on, save the trees man, I'd rather have them than this potboilery shit.

Re:Pull A Jordan? Seriously? (1)

spun (1352) | more than 3 years ago | (#35382248)

Well, I do get suckered into reading some really terrible authors, but thankfully I have managed to avoid Goodkind. As for Jordan, just answer me this, how many times can a woman smooth the front of her dress?

Re:Pull A Jordan? Seriously? (3, Informative)

Tynin (634655) | more than 3 years ago | (#35381826)

Was anyone actually worried he would "pull a Jordan?"

Yeah, their is concern... check out this timeline:

* A Game of Thrones (1996)
* A Clash of Kings (1998) 2 years
* A Storm of Swords (2000) 2 years
* A Feast for Crows (2005) 5 years and next book half done
* A Dance with Dragons (not in 2011) 6 years
* The Winds of Winter (forthcoming) so 6 years (GRRM age now 68+)
* A Dream of Spring (forthcoming) so 6 years (GRRM 75+)

Unless something really changes in the speed of his writing we are likely never going to read the ending.

Re:Pull A Jordan? Seriously? (1)

Tynin (634655) | more than 3 years ago | (#35381920)

Bleh... I accidentally said (not in 2011) for A Dance with Dragons, didn't mean to say not in... still, the rest of the timeline is correct and saddening. George R R Martin needs to take some notes from Elizabeth Moon. Book 2 of the new series already came out, book 3 is done and at the editor. Book 4 has been started. And still no Song of Ice and Fire. He really should have finished it in October of last year so it could hit stands the same time and the TV series starts in April. So much for that. The new Deeds of Paks series is really good so far. Elizabeth Moons writing has improved 10 fold since she last visited the series. And it went from a 3 book series to 5 books I think at this point. The woman is a machine... story gets into her head and she cannot stop writing.

LEARN FROM HER GRRM!

Re:Pull A Jordan? Seriously? (2)

aslagle (441969) | more than 3 years ago | (#35382174)

Actually, part of what made this book so long in coming was the fact that GRRM initially wanted the 4th book to skip ahead years, with some of the intervening detail revealed in flashbacks. He got partway into writing it, and realized that wouldn't work.

So, he started over. Then he realized that this new approach required him to fill out all sorts of stuff that he hadn't counted on, which made the book length explode. Then he seperated them into two, and "A Feast for Crows" was born.

He has stated many times that he wrote himself into a corner (my words, not his), referring to the issue as a "Meerenese Knot". It appears he's finally resolved this, and now is comfortable setting a hard date to be finished with the manuscript.

Re:Pull A Jordan? Seriously? (2)

tbannist (230135) | more than 3 years ago | (#35382338)

To be fair, Martin was struck by a very bad case of writers block because of the way he wrote A Feast for Crows. He was trying to cut down on the number of characters in the book so he left a bunch of important characters out, but was left with the problem of writing the second book with events that characters in the first one had already experienced. Hopefully he won't have the same issue with the final two books. So there's hope that they'll both get published this decade.

Re:Pull A Jordan? Seriously? (1)

adavies42 (746183) | more than 3 years ago | (#35381992)

i foresee a new career path for sanderson. help may be needed for janny wurts [wikipedia.org] if she doesn't hurry up, and didn't eddings leave something half done at the end? feist's stuff can probably be kept going forever.

has sanderson done any sci-fi? he should talk to david gerrold, or gordy dickson's heirs....

OP is incorrect in multiple ways (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35381524)

1. He's not actually done yet, Only a release date has been set. He's not announced he's done.
2. It's not the conclusion to the series.

Not the end (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35381534)

This is book 5 (originally part of 4, but split out) out of at least 7. He can still pull a Jordan, and at his age and writing pace he probably will.

In other news, Lil'Wombat is a fucking moron.

"Conclusion" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35381546)

One can assume the summary writer believes that mortality will necessarily intervene before Martin is able to write the two final books of the series.

Aside from it not being the conclusion... (2)

fireduck (197000) | more than 3 years ago | (#35381548)

According to his own website, GRRM hasn't even finished it yet. I'm not believing anything about this book until I can buy it.

Re:Aside from it not being the conclusion... (1)

turtledawn (149719) | more than 3 years ago | (#35381570)

His Livejournal had a confirmation a couple of days ago, but his editor posted somewhere else saying it wasn't in the can yet and she'd sleep better if it was. Like always I'll believe it when I see it.

Just hope.. (2)

malkavian (9512) | more than 3 years ago | (#35381552)

That it's not as disappointing as the last one..
Maybe it's just me, but it seemed like a great departure from his normal style (the bad guys actually think about what they're doing, which makes them interesting), and had the "bad guys" acting like they'd never encountered politics before in their lives.. Just had a few "belief no longer suspended" moments in it..
Hope this one goes back to the old "dark and gritty".. Victories are great and all, but in the earlier volumes, they were earned..

Re:Just hope.. (1)

mooingyak (720677) | more than 3 years ago | (#35382260)

and had the "bad guys" acting like they'd never encountered politics before in their lives.

That held true for Cersei sure, but then I think he's trying to describe her as paranoid and borderline insane. It's not completely clear who else is a definite bad guy in Feast.

"pull a Jordan"? (1)

Brian Feldman (350) | more than 3 years ago | (#35381556)

Do you mean not drawing the story to completion in a small number of books, or leaving a series unfinished by PASSING AWAY? I don't know in what sense you meant that phrase but that's kind of offensive, isn't it?

Re:"pull a Jordan"? (1)

RapmasterT (787426) | more than 3 years ago | (#35381610)

Do you mean not drawing the story to completion in a small number of books, or leaving a series unfinished by PASSING AWAY? I don't know in what sense you meant that phrase but that's kind of offensive, isn't it?

The latter. And it's supposed to be offensive. Jordan drug out the Wheel of Time series for over 20 years...it wasn't just possible he was going to die before finishing it, it was a statistical certainty. And he didn't give a rats ass. He worked on other projects, games, tv series...let WOT languish with 3-4 years between books, etc. So yes it's offensive, and he deserved it.

Re:"pull a Jordan"? (1)

Tridus (79566) | more than 3 years ago | (#35381712)

Let it language 3-4 (or 6) years between books while working on other projects... gee that doesn't sound at all familiar, now does it?

I will still read it though ... (2)

sirdude (578412) | more than 3 years ago | (#35381566)

I loved the series until the whole Caitlyn-returns-from-the-dead-and-becomes-a-witch-queen incident. That was just ridiculous and smacked of one of his TV scripts. I will still read DWD though ...

Finally (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35381574)

Woot. Now I can start to read the others. Been burned too many times with long series. I wait now. :)

Monumentally stupid headline (5, Insightful)

Tridus (79566) | more than 3 years ago | (#35381584)

The first LINE of TFA says " No. Sorry. Not done yet."

How the hell do you go from that to "hey it's done!"?

I mean come on. Even for Slashdot this is retarded.

Re:Monumentally stupid headline (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35381744)

Okay, yes. He's not done yet. There's still work to be done.

But at least he can give us the Ron Jeremy countdown. For this we should rejoice.

My day is officially made (4, Funny)

mikeabbott420 (744514) | more than 3 years ago | (#35381594)

I remember back in the day, as a young man full of optimism and energy, eagerly anticipating the second half of this marvelous novel.

Now at last I might take it in my wrinkled, trembling hands and gaze in wonder through rheumy eyes, ever so slightly before the reaper takes my withered husk from this world!

Read your sources (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35381600)

"No. Sorry. Not done yet.
  I'm close, though. Watch this space. When the book is done, you will read it here. "

Last time I checked that statement was pretty definitive, he isn't done yet, but he's close enough to set a release date. At least read the site you link to...

Delays (1)

Cinder6 (894572) | more than 3 years ago | (#35381624)

This book has had so many ridiculous setbacks and delays that it's become comical. How many times was book 4 rewritten, only to have become split (and disappointing)? And then it's another six years before book 5, which is simply the other half of book 4? According to him, he's already written some chapters from the next two books. Why? I understand the value of having notes for what's going to happen, but to take the time to write full chapters when your current work isn't finished, and fans are chomping at the bit?

I'll get this one. I've already read the other four books, so I might as well. But I think that the "pulling a Jordan" comment is too soon. I am skeptical we will ever actually see the end to this series. I'd written this one off, but apparently I was wrong. Hopefully that release date sticks, this time.

Re:Delays (1)

Tridus (79566) | more than 3 years ago | (#35381674)

Well there's another issue with the summary. If he's got stuff for two more books, this is hardly the end of the series.

This one is so bad it's comical. "The completed conlusion of the series" is actually the not-completed not-conclusion of the series.

Re:Delays (1)

w_dragon (1802458) | more than 3 years ago | (#35381698)

There are a lot of different character threads in Ice and Fire, if he's working on one it may be easier to keep writing even if he goes beyond the timeline of the current book. On the other hand, maybe he just does it to piss off his readers.

Re:Delays (1)

godefroi (52421) | more than 3 years ago | (#35382302)

Extremely ironic note:

I originally started reading GRRM specifically because he was recommended to me by fans that claimed he was the anti-Jordan because I wouldn't have to wait for him to get around to publishing the ending to his series.

Hah. The joke's on me, Sanderson is going to finish WOT (and do an absolutely brilliant job at it too, by the way) but who's going to finish this series?

I'm still worried.. (1)

RapmasterT (787426) | more than 3 years ago | (#35381632)

And everyone was worried that he was going to pull a Jordan."

There's still two books to go, and Martin is 62 years old. Since it was SEVEN years between "a feast for crows" and "a dance with dragons", he would be 76 at this rate before he finishes. That's beyond the average american lifespan, so yes...a "jordan" is a very real possibility.

Re:I'm still worried.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35382284)

Common misconception!

It is true that the average male life expectancy is 75.5 at birth. But that number includes all the things that kill children, people in their teens, people in their twenties, etc.

If, like Martin, you survive to age 62, then your remaining life expectancy is 81.65 years [wolframalpha.com] of age.

So we're safe!

(PS: Understanding this concept about life expectancies is pretty important for retirement planning too! If you live to 65, then your American male life expectancy is 82 years.)

Lots of hate for Jordan? (2)

Onuma (947856) | more than 3 years ago | (#35381684)

While Robert Jordan may have died before he finished the series, I think he and his wife/editor made a good decision in selecting Brandon Sanderson as co-author to complete the final 3 installments. While many people got jaded around books 4-5-6-7 (YMMV), I think Jordan picked up his original style around books 10-11; A Knife of Dreams was fantastic. 12 and 13 were co-authored, but were both excellent works. A Memory of Light is still in the process, but it is expected to be just as good, or better than, the previous two.

So even if GRRM does kick the bucket, if he "pulls a Jordan" that means that he'll have written out enough notes for a solid conclusion to his fictional world and have selected a competent co-author who can finish out strongly. Is that such a worst-case-scenario?

Re:Lots of hate for Jordan? (1)

ryzvonusef (1151717) | more than 3 years ago | (#35381916)

HA! And I thought it was book 10 that everyone hated, I have found a fan!

But yes, selecting Sanderson was a good decision, he was highly motivated, and the goal was in sight. He cut the crap and ran it full steam, and so far, it has worked awesomely.

Re:Lots of hate for Jordan? (1)

adavies42 (746183) | more than 3 years ago | (#35382072)

my biggest beef is that sanderson doesn't seem to know (or care) how to write genre-appropriate dialog and narration. there's a huge pile of epic fantasy language conventions which he completely ignores, both in his own stuff and in his two WoT books. in ToM, a firework or something was said to have "zipped" into the sky--abysmal. that word has no business in an epic fantasy novel. half his aes sedai talk like sitcom characters, with snark being their main mode. i keep expecting rand to say "hey you" or "what's up".

Re:Lots of hate for Jordan? (1)

ryzvonusef (1151717) | more than 3 years ago | (#35382142)

It's a matter of offsets. For example, I absolutely hated his "Ladies and Dice" rant for Mat in TGS, but seeing as the over all story flow had improved amazingly, I forgave these minor niggles.

Re:Lots of hate for Jordan? (1)

Your.Master (1088569) | more than 3 years ago | (#35382354)

While I agree there's something off about the tone of Sanderson's dialog, I'm not sure I agree that you've identified it. I'm not even sure that epic fantasy language conventions are in and of themselves a good thing.

There is something tonally off at times, but really I think he just writes poor prose and poorer dialog (although I did enjoy Lightsong and to a lesser extent Denth in Warbringer -- he seems to be able to pull of snark, although Shallan in the Way of Kings was a big step back in that regard). I really like the content of his stories, which is why I keep reading his books, but I don't like the mechanics of reading them. He reminds me of Isaac Asimov in that respect.

Re:Lots of hate for Jordan? (1)

wastedlife (1319259) | more than 3 years ago | (#35382158)

George R.R. Martin has stated in the past that he has directed his notes and unfinished writings to be destroyed when he dies. So, if we want this series concluded, he needs to finish before he dies or depend on fanfiction (which he opposes).

Not "Completed" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35381686)

Christ, the first line of his comment is that it isn't done.
"No. Sorry. Not done yet."

Pull a Jordan? (1)

NEDHead (1651195) | more than 3 years ago | (#35381708)

Why do I care if he wants to play baseball?

It isn't done, the headline lies (1)

Omnifarious (11933) | more than 3 years ago | (#35381726)

It isn't done. It's just 'done enough' that the publishers feels like they should roll out a date. The publisher has, at various times, rolled out dates in the past only to have them be missed. I will believe it when I see it.

Rank Down - article misrepresenting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35381734)

The Book isnt the conclusion of the series
The Book isn't Done yet
This shouldn't have been published.
To be fair, this comment probably sucks too

Not done yet... (1)

Logarhythmic (1082321) | more than 3 years ago | (#35381764)

Way to not RTFA. The FIRST LINE of the GRRM's post says:

No. Sorry. Not done yet.

Yes, they've set a date for publishing. But really, let's get the summary right at least.

meanwhile (2)

bhcompy (1877290) | more than 3 years ago | (#35381832)

Meanwhile, Steven Erikson just completed the 10 book Malazan Book of the Fallen series, which is at least the equal of ASoIaF, as of Tuesday with the release of the 10th book. He started the series 4 years after Martin started ASoIaF.

Re:meanwhile (1)

ryzvonusef (1151717) | more than 3 years ago | (#35381974)

I have not read the it, but I have heard Malazan is a nice series. Would you recommend it?

And talking of long series, Jim Butcher is also good on doling out instalment on his Dresden series, and so is Terry Pratchett on his Discworld set (though technically, they are at least half a dozen separate series rolled into one).

Re:meanwhile (1)

Corbets (169101) | more than 3 years ago | (#35382128)

The Malazan series is the most fascinating work of fantasy I've ever read. Highly recommended.

Butcher's Dresden Files are also highly entertaining and well written, though I strongly suggest avoiding his pure fantasy works (the name escapes me at the moment, but they're absolute crap, and I'm surprised they're written by the same man).

Re:meanwhile (1)

ryzvonusef (1151717) | more than 3 years ago | (#35382190)

You wouldn't be talking of Codex Alera, would you? I kinda liked those, though yes, the style was markedly different, I guess he was trying to experiment with a different style with those six. But not bad, just...different.

HELL YES I WOULD RECOMMEND IT (1)

Xaedalus (1192463) | more than 3 years ago | (#35382136)

Sorry for the all caps, but yes, Malazan Book of the Fallen is far superior to Song of Ice and Fire. It's dark, it's gritty, and yet it's redeeming, portrays all the characters as more than one dimensional stock, and manages to include philosophical critiques of the world, religion, philosophy, economics, emotion, and fanaticism of all stripes without breaking stride or tone. It's the only series that has made me care about a couple of villains as well as the heroes. It is simply amazing. Just be warned: to start the series you're going to have to slog through approximately half of "Gardens of the Moon" before you start getting it. Once you do though, you'll be hooked.

Re:meanwhile (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35382368)

Erikson has written half of his series (FIVE BOOKS) in the time it took martin to write this one. And erikson has been writing novellas on the side!

Won't believe it until it ships (1)

Vrallis (33290) | more than 3 years ago | (#35381834)

I won't believe it until it actually ships from Amazon. They had a publishing date set years ago, I think they even put it up for pre-order...everything sounded like the book was done and at the printers. Now we find out it STILL isn't really finished?

What's really a shame is I'm just wrapping up re-reading the previous four books in anticipation of the new TV series. We can probably thank that for him finally (hopefully) getting this book finished. The teaser preview for the series sounds good. Hopefully they won't completely and utterly destroy it like they did the Sword of Truth series.

Gaiman's perspective (4, Interesting)

mblase (200735) | more than 3 years ago | (#35381844)

May be a good time to post Neil Gaiman's blog entry on why George R.R. Martin is not your bitch [neilgaiman.com] .

Re:Gaiman's perspective (1)

EricWright (16803) | more than 3 years ago | (#35381932)

That post makes me glad my name is not Gareth! Thanks for sharing.

Re:Gaiman's perspective (1)

RightSaidFred99 (874576) | more than 3 years ago | (#35382370)

True enough, but that doesn't mean we, the readers, don't have a right to be pissed off. He's selling a product, and we're expecting new version of that product. If our needs aren't met maybe we won't buy the product. I'll probably read the new book but maybe I'll do a petty protest like getting it from the library instead of buying it ;)

It's like a cell phone. I bought a Samsung Moment and at the time it was a good enough phone. But lo and behold Samsung is poor at updates. The phone does what it was supposed to when I bought it, Samsung had no contract with me to provide free updates. That's all fine - but I might be a lot more hesitant about buying a new Samsung phone in the future because they left me hanging and were slow with updates.

It was to be 7 parts now it's 8 .. the article ... (1)

aergern (127031) | more than 3 years ago | (#35381848)

WRONG!

This is the second half of part 4 of ASoFaI. He has 3 more books which comprise the 2nd story arc. This story should be pulled as it's just wrong.

What's the deal? (1)

wandazulu (265281) | more than 3 years ago | (#35381890)

I know several people who are very happy about this news, and I admit I actually have no idea who he is or what series this is the next book of. I know, Google is my friend, etc., but what I'm really asking is, and this is the perfect place to ask, "Why should I read this series, especially given that it seems he seems takes an awful lot of time to complete a book". Sounds like he'd give Knuth a run for his money.

I'm honestly not trolling: I'm really interested and am just looking for more subjective information about what this whole series is "about", and what people like about it.

Okay, I'll turn in my geek card now.

Re:What's the deal? (2)

bhcompy (1877290) | more than 3 years ago | (#35382028)

The first 3 books of the series are among the best 3 consecutive books written in the fantasy genre. 4 dropped off a lot, though. It's an extension of Glen Cook in that it is gritty and people die, but it is in the style of high fantasy rather than Cook's rather accessible everyday writing style(and book length). The books are very light on magic, but high on mysticism and legend. Think of it mostly as a historical middle age book with a bit of fantasy/magic thrown in(it does grow with the series though). If you want a teaser for the style, read The Hedge Knight short story.

The best combination of authors I can come with is the realism of Cook plus the settings, intrigue, and quality of a Guy G Kay novel.

Re:What's the deal? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35382148)

The first three books are totally worth it. Just read them.

lol (1)

guspasho (941623) | more than 3 years ago | (#35381926)

"The dragons are coming. Prepare to dance."

Finishes a dance with dragons... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35382008)

Now on to the punch bowl for refreshments.

Pre-Order (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35382052)

You can pre-order it at amazon.com. That's a good sign. However, we've been down that road before, too, with this same book.

None-the-less, I hope it's the real deal this time.

Jordan (2)

mseeger (40923) | more than 3 years ago | (#35382060)

Hi,

i consider the reference to Jordan as bad taste and offensive toward Jordans family. Do you think he intended to die? As a comment, i would have expected such a missstep, but as story this is a very, very low level.

Furthermore: the story belongs to the author and only him. If he decides to take 17 years for the next book (as Tokien did after The Hobbit), one has to wait. I would rather wait in vain, than pushing for a book the author feels not happy with.

Disappointed, Martin

Re:Jordan (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35382206)

Hi,

i consider the reference to Jordan as bad taste and offensive toward Jordans family. Do you think he intended to die? As a comment, i would have expected such a missstep, but as story this is a very, very low level.

Furthermore: the story belongs to the author and only him. If he decides to take 17 years for the next book (as Tokien did after The Hobbit), one has to wait. I would rather wait in vain, than pushing for a book the author feels not happy with.

Disappointed, Martin

It's a 2 way street, if everyone who read the series knew he was going to take 5 years to write half a book, no one would buy until the series was finished. If no one buys until the series is finished the author never writes anything past the first book.
The author does in fact owe his or her readers to a certain extent.

Re:Jordan (1)

mseeger (40923) | more than 3 years ago | (#35382382)

if everyone who read the series knew he was going to take 5 years to write half a book, no one would buy until the series was finished.

Contrary to my experience. No one usually cares how many books a series contains before he/she buys it. Once they started with the first and liked it, they buy the next ones wether the series is finished or not.

The author does in fact owe his or her readers to a certain extent.

100% disagreement on this. Being a fan does not give you one ounce of rights towards the author (or any other artist). You pay and get the book; this is the complete transaction. Everything beyond this is voluntary service from the author. CU, Martin

Re:Jordan (1)

turtledawn (149719) | more than 3 years ago | (#35382386)

I think he realized he had a guaranteed income stream which was larger than what he would get from residuals alone and decided to milk it. Did he intend to die before finishing? No - very few people have a stated intention to die, after all. But I do not believe he had after book six or so any intention of writing the story he initially set out to write in the way he initially expected to write it.

Sanderson to the rescue? (1)

Hey_bob (6104) | more than 3 years ago | (#35382114)

I'm starting to hope that Brandon Sanderson (who is also not my bitch) would finish the series, as he is doing with WoT. Lets hope that GRRM leaves plenty of notes behind.

An author of intricate detail (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35382144)

The surface comparisons to Jordan are obvious. Both are authors with long histories in the genre before their most famous series; both, currently best known for epic stories set in worlds with a large number of relevant competing factions; both have taken their good, sweet time moving things along in their respective stories. But the stories themselves (so far) evidence a wide gulf in storytelling skill.

I read nine of the Wheel of Time books, though after book five it was sheer momentum. The Wheel of Time series focuses on characters who are painfully stupid, are incapable of learning the most basic lessons about relating to each other, wouldn't know an insightful observation (whether about human motivation or the nature and methodology of the powers they use on a daily basis) if it slapped them in the face, and are constantly tossed about by deus ex machina. Plot threads are created and dropped willy-nilly, and major events, technical magical knowledge, mysterious relics, and prophecies are developed and then dropped entirely for books at a time (or entirely). This was true from the very beginning of the series (mind you, I recall enjoying the first three books quite a bit), but worsened drastically as Jordan wrote himself into a corner. Jordan's strength was in creating a world with an interesting history and political landscape, and he did that rather well. He was somewhat weaker at telling a coherent story.

So far, Martin has told a humdinger of a story. His characters have well-developed motivations, and he's not afraid of killing off major (frequently sympathetic) POV characters when other characters, acting consistently, have outsmarted them, been driven past their limits, given a chance to act selfishly far too good too pass up, or otherwise earned a break. The Song of Ice and Fire world is vast and complex - arguably more so than the Wheel of Time world - yet everything has a payoff. I'm obviously looking forward to the book, and when the series starts airing on HBO, it'll be the necessary and sufficient reason for me to newly subscribe.

Re:An author of intricate detail (1)

okooolo (1372815) | more than 3 years ago | (#35382324)

I agree that Martin was a better writer then Jordan .. I gave up reading WOT after book #9 (path of daggers), but I disagree that Martin was that much better. Some characters were amazing but some were just boooring. At this point I have a hard time motivating myself to care... I don't really remember what happened in the last book so I'm not sure I'll bother reading dance of dragons.. besides by now the bar is set higher with so many good new writers (Erickson, Lynch,Abercrombie etc) ps. now that Sanderson is finishing WOT I'm actually debating with myself whether I should finish reading the series ... If only I could skip books written by Jordan ...
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