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Even Microsoft Wants IE6 Dead

Unknown Lamer posted more than 3 years ago | from the is-this-really-happening dept.

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Tarmas writes "Microsoft has launched a website intended to persuade people to upgrade their browsers from Internet Explorer 6. In Microsoft's words: 'This website is dedicated to watching Internet Explorer 6 usage drop to less than 1% worldwide, so more websites can choose to drop support for Internet Explorer 6, saving hours of work for web developers.' About time?" Of course they want you to upgrade to a newer Internet Explorer.

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If only other devs used ie6-upgrade-warning.. (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35384546)

I've used ie6-upgrade-warning [google.com] for some of my projects.

It's quite obnoxious, and usually gets the job done.

Re:If only other devs used ie6-upgrade-warning.. (3, Interesting)

Pieroxy (222434) | more than 3 years ago | (#35384786)

Another initiative of the sort: http://ieai.pieroxy.net/ [pieroxy.net]. The only difference is that it doesn't necessarily just target the version 6.

Disclaimer: as my nick probably shows, it's mine.

Re:If only other devs used ie6-upgrade-warning.. (0)

commodore6502 (1981532) | more than 3 years ago | (#35384920)

I put this on as many Work computers as I can. It tells them to stop using IE 5, 6, 7, or 8 and install a better browser like Chrome,Firefox,Opera. (I like opera best because it stores my bookmarks on the web - universal access at home, work, or hotel.)

http://ieai.pieroxy.net/sample.html [pieroxy.net]

Re:If only other devs used ie6-upgrade-warning.. (1)

corychristison (951993) | more than 3 years ago | (#35385050)

Thank you for that.

I've been trying to come up with an easy and elegant way warn users they are using IE6, and that they absolutely must upgrade.

Setting this up now.

Re:If only other devs used ie6-upgrade-warning.. (5, Informative)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 3 years ago | (#35385130)

The problem is you seem to think the users are going "yay lets use crappy IE6!" when of course that isn't the case, it is the fact that all their Intranet will break since it was coded in crappy IE6 ActiveX and good luck getting the suits to pay to upgrade THAT mess!

But there is a good reason why IE6 usage jumps from 9AM to 5PM Mon through Fri, and that is because millions of dollars worth of corporate Intranet apps are written around IE6. Was it stupid? Of course. Do most places have the budget to replace it? Not in this economy they don't.

But if you want o run off the business users that's cool with me, free market and all that. But don't pretend there are millions of consumers running crappy old IE6 just for the fun of it.

Re:If only other devs used ie6-upgrade-warning.. (2)

Z00L00K (682162) | more than 3 years ago | (#35385092)

There are a few problems around the upgrade:

1. Microsoft wants to ask a lot of obnoxious and hard to understand questions during installation and initialization of newer versions.
2. People are afraid that upgrades will break something.
3. A lot of web sites - especially company internal web sites are still designed for IE6.
4. A lot of companies are afraid of upgrading from IE6 due to concerns of various kinds and "if it ain't broken, don't fix it".
5. If you do a fresh install of XP SP3 you will have to postpone the installation of IE8 until some patches are installed or you end up with a broken browser - which will be fixed if you uninstall and reinstall, but it may have scared a few.

Don't forget that many major companies still runs XP as primary OS because it works, and it does the job. Some have a procedure of progressively upgrade so new computers are deployed with Win7 and old are kept at XP. And some went into the Windows Vista track full ahead - and got a bunch of problems on the way.

I'll switch (3, Informative)

camperdave (969942) | more than 3 years ago | (#35384592)

I'll switch as soon as the update.microsoft.com website will let me. It keeps throwing 0x8DDD0004 errors.

Re:I'll switch (2)

tlhIngan (30335) | more than 3 years ago | (#35384678)

The only machine I have running IE6 is my Windows 2000 machine. Even when Windows 2000 was still supported I kept getting pleas to upgrade.

So I clicked "Upgrade" only to be met with "Your operating system is not supported". You'd think Microsoft would've been able to figure that out when it offered me a chance to upgrade...

Now that Windows 2000 has fallen out of support, there's no upgrade for it. Though, I don't use IE6 on it at all... (Firefox 3.5)

Fx3 still supports Windows 2000 (-1, Redundant)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#35384790)

So I clicked "Upgrade" only to be met with "Your operating system is not supported".

You appear to have clicked the wrong upgrade button. Try this upgrade button [getfirefox.com].

Re:Fx3 still supports Windows 2000 (1)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 3 years ago | (#35385058)

You appear to have clicked the wrong upgrade button. Try this upgrade button [getfirefox.com]

You, on the other hand, might want to read his entire post. It's only fourth sentences long - and, tricky devil that he is, it's in the last one that he rendered your response pointless.

Re:I'll switch (-1)

bmo (77928) | more than 3 years ago | (#35384934)

Now that W2K is no longer getting security updates, I put it to you that your real problem isn't upgrading ie6.

--
BMO

Re:I'll switch (2)

schnikies79 (788746) | more than 3 years ago | (#35384990)

If it's firewalled, has an updated antivirus and a secure browser, does it really matter? I have an older laptop with w2k on it, not a problem at all.

Re:I'll switch (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35385108)

Yes it still matters. IE6 is not just about lack of security, it's about lack of features and weird rendering too.
So the real solution is to just drop IE and use Firefox or Opera as both seem compatible with w2k.
You get proper html rendering, you get speed, tabs, many other things, and security too.

Re:I'll switch (1)

schnikies79 (788746) | more than 3 years ago | (#35385158)

I'm not saying IE6 is not a problem, it is. The poster was referring running w2k as the problem because it no longer receives security updates from Microsoft.

As I stated, you can secure a operating system that no long has manufacture support.

MS KB914224 (3, Informative)

DigiShaman (671371) | more than 3 years ago | (#35384940)

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/914224 [microsoft.com]. In short, stop two services. Windows Update and Background Intelligent Transfer. Next, delete the entire folder called "SoftwareDistribution" located under the root of C:\Windows. Restart both services and try again.

BTW, that folder you deleted will regenerate after starting these services. Don't worry about it.

We can do better (2)

markdavis (642305) | more than 3 years ago | (#35384598)

>"Of course they want you to upgrade to a newer Internet Explorer."

And I want you to upgrade to a cross-platform web browser, like Firefox, Opera, or Chrome. Then maybe we can have all sites work on all browsers and on most all operating systems. But we can't always get what we want, can we?

Re:We can do better (4, Insightful)

MoonBuggy (611105) | more than 3 years ago | (#35384758)

Cross platform doesn't matter as long as the different pieces of platform-specific software all obey the same standard. It doesn't matter whether your TCP/IP stack was coded in malbolge [wikipedia.org] by Russian monks and only runs on RISC OS, if it supports the standard it won't cause any problems for anybody.

The problem, of course, is that HTML & CSS are very complicated and, some might say, poorly-defined standards whereas TCP/IP, ASCII, and so forth are straightforward and well known. Really, though, your theory that one needs a cross-platform browser to ensure correct rendering implies that none of them are implementing the standards properly, and that's something I disagree with - there may be minor quirks, but on the whole you can expect a well coded site to display more or less accurately, although not pixel-perfect, in all modern browsers. IE6, however, made a complete hash of valid markup ten years ago, and does so to an even greater extent now.

Re:We can do better (1)

Pieroxy (222434) | more than 3 years ago | (#35384828)

Agreed for TCP/IP, but ASCII? how many times have I stumbled on a website with "?" or chinese characters instead of quotes.... Granted, pure 7-bit ASCII is very well defined, but for the rest it's a little grey area.

Re:We can do better (2)

markdavis (642305) | more than 3 years ago | (#35385012)

>"Cross platform doesn't matter as long as the different pieces of platform-specific software all obey the same standard"

Agreed! So what part of Active-X is standards based?

There are still TONS of sites still require the use of IE. I have to deal with three on a regular basis and it is especially true with hosted, supposedly "web based" business services. IE6 is not the root problem there. The modern root problem is Active-X (and to a much lesser degree, Silverlight). It turns what COULD be a standards-based browser setup into a completely proprietary, MS-Windows, IE-ONLY environment.

If most people chose a cross-platform browser, it would ensure that sites can't pull non-standard stuff and end up dictating which browser AND operating system is used.

Re:We can do better (1)

MoonBuggy (611105) | more than 3 years ago | (#35385102)

Fair point. For what it's worth, I use OSX on my primary machine and it's been who knows how long since I last came across a website that required ActiveX; the odd time that it has happened it's been easy enough to react with a simple "Oh, well, I'm not doing business with those idiots then". That said, you're absolutely right that OS specific extensions are dangerous, especially in the hands of the market leader - it's still technically a matter of standards rather than of platform-specificity, but you'd be quite right to accuse me of nitpicking were I to push that point any further!

Re:We can do better (1)

neokushan (932374) | more than 3 years ago | (#35384778)

Why should the cross-platformness of the browser make a difference to how the site works? If the browser is standards compliant, it shouldn't matter if it's platform agnostic or not. IE9 isn't perfect, but it's about 1,000,000.315 times better than IE6.

Re:We can do better (0)

markdavis (642305) | more than 3 years ago | (#35384960)

>"Why should the cross-platformness of the browser make a difference to how the site works? If the browser is standards compliant, it shouldn't matter if it's platform agnostic or no"

Spoken like an MS-Windows-only user.

Answer: Because there are craploads of sites still require the use of IE to do ANYTHING. Trust me, I know. I have to deal with three on a regular basis. It is especially true with hosted, supposedly "web based" business services.

Why? Because of Active-X. And since that is proprietary, not standards based, and not cross-platform, it forces the use of IE under MS-Windows and excludes all other browsers AND operating systems. No Firefox. No Opera. No Chrome. No Safari. No Linux. No BSD. No MacOS. No Android. No WebOS. No Wii. Etc.

If most people chose a cross-platform browser, it would ensure that sites can't pull non-standard stuff and end up dictating which browser AND operating system is used.

Re:We can do better (1)

neokushan (932374) | more than 3 years ago | (#35385056)

I haven't been on a site that required ActiveX in years and even that was probably still only Windows update. Oh yeah, I do use windows occasionally, but I find that I spend most of my time using, of all things - Android. So I don't tend to use a cross-platform browser (unless you count Webkit as being the cross-platform "browser"). My originally point still stands - "if the browser is standards compliant" it wont matter what platforms it's available on. As you pointed out, ActiveX is not a web standard, so it's irrelevant to the discussion. The Reason IE6 (And IE in general) has caused so much grief is the sheer monopoly Microsoft once had. It was never just ActiveX, it was all sorts of stupid things the browser did that meant websites would be coded specifically for it, letting other browsers suffer in the process. The thing about ActiveX is that it cannot be "emulated" on other browsers, but then how many actually try to emulate the rest of IE's quirks anyway?

Re:We can do better (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 3 years ago | (#35385002)

Why should the cross-platformness of the browser make a difference to how the site works?

Because buzzwords like 'cross-platform' often get the word 'insightful' to appear next to yoru post.

Re:We can do better (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35384816)

And I want to not give a flying fuck what browser you use, so long as they are all working to become standards compliant. Looks like I get what I want.

Re:We can do better (1)

sltd (1182933) | more than 3 years ago | (#35384832)

Even still, if people would just stop using IE6, it would suddenly be 200 times easier to develop for the web.

Upgrade to new IE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35384600)

Of course they want you to upgrade to a newer Internet Explorer.

Of course they do since, you know, they make one. What, they should be urging their users to move to Firefox or Opera instead of their own offering?

Re:Upgrade to new IE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35384710)

I'd be happy to; does it run on GNU/Linus or FreeBSD?

Re:Upgrade to new IE (1)

maxwell demon (590494) | more than 3 years ago | (#35384896)

I'd be happy to; does it run on GNU/Linus or FreeBSD?

So now RMS wants Linus to put the GNU prefix even in front of his own name?
But no, I don't think IE runs on Linus. They didn't port it to genetics yet.

SCNR :-)

Wow (1)

LBArrettAnderson (655246) | more than 3 years ago | (#35384614)

How old is this news? Honestly, this happened multiple months ago. I'm also pretty sure it was covered on slashdot.

Re:Wow (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35384718)

ie6countdown.com

Registrar Name....: CORPORATE DOMAINS, INC.

Domain Name: ie6countdown.com

Created on..............: Fri, Aug 07, 2009
Expires on..............: Tue, Aug 07, 2012
Record last updated on..: Thu, Mar 03, 2011

Administrative Contact:
Microsoft Corporation
Domain Administrator
One Microsoft Way
Redmond, WA 98052
US
Phone: +1.4258828080
Email:

Actually (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35384616)

Actually, they want you to move off Windows XP....

Re:Actually (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35384772)

And guess what, they succeeded, back when you could only get a decent laptop with bundled Vista. Guess where I ended up? Ubuntu is quite nice on its own, but it shines when compared to *that*. Not sure whether MS would be too happy about that, even though they got their Windows Tax from that laptop.

MSFT is its own worst enemy nowadays, in its core product lines (Office, OS, VS); the fact that there are other alternatives (which are incidentally free and free) also serves to highlight this.

The alternatives are not for everyone (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#35384866)

MSFT is its own worst enemy nowadays, in its core product lines (Office, OS, VS); the fact that there are other alternatives (which are incidentally free and free) also serves to highlight this.

The alternatives are not for everyone. For example, individuals can't make console games without VS (XNA Game Studio uses VS), and you can't make Windows games without a copy of Windows to test on.

Not me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35384618)

As a web developer, I LOVE IE 6. If clients want me to code against IE 6, I charge a substantial premium.

I love IE 6.

Re:Not me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35384700)

And you qualify as "less than 1%" so problem solved.

I'm a web developer and I don't like this (4, Insightful)

WiglyWorm (1139035) | more than 3 years ago | (#35384622)

I'm not sure why I should potentially lower my conversion rate by hassling people to upgrade their browser. That seems like Microsoft's job, not mine.

Maybe they could use the same features that redirect you to msn.com or bing to redirect you to a browser selection page, no? In the mean time, I will just keep including stylesheets for IE6 that do some graceful degredation. It won't look great, but it won't be illegible.

Besides, it seems like most IE6 users in this age are enterprise clients who can't upgrade until their vendors start supporting new browsers, or until the interprise itself gets rid of legacy programs.

Re:I'm a web developer and I don't like this (1)

neokushan (932374) | more than 3 years ago | (#35384824)

Surely if you have "degradation" for those who use IE6, you'd want some sort of disclaimer to explain that it's their browser that sucks ass and not your web development skills? Like the way google does it, they effectively say "We don't test against your browser so the site might not work right".
It's funny how the tides have turned from those dark ages when Websites REQUIRED IE and deliberately blocked all other browsers, yet now the shoe is on the other foot, people worry about merely putting up a banner to inform people to upgrade.

Re:I'm a web developer and I don't like this (4, Informative)

Pieroxy (222434) | more than 3 years ago | (#35384916)

I am working for a big e-commerce website (think several hundred million euros of yearly revenue) and we are actually putting up a banner for IE6 users. We still test it for now but don't spend time on design. Most websites in France are moving in this direction.

Now, when I won't have to worry about it at all, I'll celebrate a second time !

Re:I'm a web developer and I don't like this (1)

Pieroxy (222434) | more than 3 years ago | (#35384848)

Because you're tired of spending 20% of your web design time supporting 7% of your audience?

MySpace already commands Browser Upgrades (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35385070)

It's bad enough you kinds of people demand Browser Upgrades, and yet if we just change the User-Agent string then we progress to the website originally intended and there is no foreseeable error or improvement that isn't rendered GRACEFULLY by dropping the tag as an unknown.

Seriously, I change the user-agent to "iphone" or "lynx" and the webpage just becomes more efficient all of a sudden: it's like they intend for me to save money on bandwidth, pictures load faster, the page comes together in the simplest of HTML, and the browser application doesn't suck all the free memory like a "survivor" looting Walmart after Hurricane Katrina passed through.

Beware of what you wish for. (1)

blair1q (305137) | more than 3 years ago | (#35384624)

This week one of my machines updated IE9, which then broke Flash in IE9. So I updated Flash, but Adobe says that they don't yet support IE9 at 64 bits, though they do have a Beta version of 64-bit IE9 Flash that they'll download. So far, it hasn't crashed, but I'm checking for a non-Beta release frequently.

Re:Beware of what you wish for. (3, Informative)

neokushan (932374) | more than 3 years ago | (#35384840)

IE9 is beta (Release Candidate is still more "beta" than "final"), so you wished to use beta software by installing it in the first place. You could have just used IE8 and had no problems, then upgraded to IE9 when IE9 is ready.

Re:Beware of what you wish for. (0)

Pieroxy (222434) | more than 3 years ago | (#35384862)

The question is: Why would you use IE at all when there are so many better alternatives that are all free as in beer and some also free as in speech?

Re:Beware of what you wish for. (1)

blair1q (305137) | more than 3 years ago | (#35385006)

Ahuh. If I was on that machine I'd point out a few URIs that refuse to operate properly in Firefox, Safari, or Chrome, that show up fine in IE.

Re:Beware of what you wish for. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35384918)

I for one am not wishing for a new-and-flashier Flash, or a new-and-less-evil-really-honest IE.

Dear baby Jesus (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35384638)

Holy Christ, Baby Holy Christ manger style please make it end, please make it stop.

Argh! iecountdown.com is parked! (1)

Samantha Wright (1324923) | more than 3 years ago | (#35384644)

What we really need is a more generalized iecountdown spoof—exactly the same in every way, except trying to get people to move away from IE as a whole. A cursory glance says that the site's pretty generic and easily search-and-replaced into an even more noble effort.

Uninstall ? (1)

BillHop (82717) | more than 3 years ago | (#35384656)

Obviously, Microsoft issuing an update that would allow uninstalling IE6 from every platform where it lurks is unthinkable.

Re:Uninstall ? (1)

WiglyWorm (1139035) | more than 3 years ago | (#35384724)

IE6 is litterally built in to windows XP. Every time you open an explorer window, it is working in exactly the way IE works. Haven't you ever typed "My Computer" or "Control Panel" in to an IE address bar? Haven't you ever typed slashdot.org into a windows explorer window?

Re:Uninstall ? (1)

netsharc (195805) | more than 3 years ago | (#35385024)

Or just force an upgrade to IE7 or 8. But look at the high percentage in Asia, where they probably have pirated Windows, and never ever update their browser.

Wait, what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35384690)

"Friends don’t let friends use Internet Explorer 6. [...] Microsoft 2011"

Let me ask this question: who was messing with MS's timezone editor? Although a timezone that's one month ahead of the rest of the world is somewhat impressive.

If this is serious, well, where were they six years ago? Oh, they were too busy pushing, wait for it, IE6. Screw them and their attempt to hop on the anti-IE6 bandwagon.

Nelson Muntz says... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35384712)

ha ha!

Maybe if IE6 was Posix compliant, then a proper SIGKILL would work indefinitely.

Birry, you shouldn't have strayed from Xenix.

WAIT (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35384722)

I cant see this site in IE6 =/

Windows update? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35384736)

Putting up a windows important security update for IE6 to that cut-down version which handles the choice screen for IE and other browsers is what they should be doing imo.

Saving hours of work (2)

ve3oat (884827) | more than 3 years ago | (#35384766)

so more websites can choose to drop support for Internet Explorer 6, saving hours of work for web developers

Gee, if M-S would only discover and use W3C standards, no one would have to use special browser hacks to make their websites work in any variety of different browsers.

As of IE9 (2)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#35385060)

Gee, if M-S would only discover and use W3C standards

As of IE9, Microsoft is doing a far better job of this than it ever used to. But then IE9 could just be Microsoft's trojan horse to get users off Windows XP and onto Windows 7.

China? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35384792)

China easily "won" this race with 34.5% Must be hard to update all those pirated copies of Windows.

Re:China? (1)

FrostDust (1009075) | more than 3 years ago | (#35385064)

That's what I was thinking when I first saw the headline.

Windows Update won't let you get Service Pack 2, and in turn IE7/8, unless you pass the WGA anti-piracy check. Also, going along with your premise, I assume the average person isn't going to bother trying to circumvent the WGA for just a new browser, when it'd be much easier to just install another browser.

So, unless Microsoft releases a version of IE8 compatible with XP SP1, or disables the WGA requirement, Internet Explorer 6 won't die out until the physical decay of every last Windows XP computer occurs.

And what about Windows 2000 and older? (1)

systematical (1394991) | more than 3 years ago | (#35384808)

How do people on Windows 2000 and older switch? Is MS advocating these people use a non-microsoft browser?

Re:And what about Windows 2000 and older? (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#35385088)

Simple, upgrade the OS, for FREE to one of many non-windows OS. MS would of course prefer you buy a new computer.

They'd better do this (2)

rsilvergun (571051) | more than 3 years ago | (#35384810)

they risk losing market share to Firefox otherwise. There is no Microsoft, there is only XUL ;).

Sorry MS its your own damn fault (1)

grapeape (137008) | more than 3 years ago | (#35384846)

I have a client stuck with IE 6 due to being stuck with a program that wont run on anything newer than windows 2000 and a reluctance of the client to have to buy and learn another system just to be able to upgrade their browser.

Re:Sorry MS its your own damn fault (2)

Pieroxy (222434) | more than 3 years ago | (#35384980)

How it is MS's fault? Can't they install Firefox or something? IE6 is not a curse. People browsing with IE6 are !

100%? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35384854)

"100% of the world was using
Internet Explorer 6, which was 9%
lower than the previous year"

Something is wrong here...

Then do the responsible thing and.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35384872)

.. solve the actual problem and stop ignoring it.
You won't force people to upgrade, and you certainly won't persuade anyone to upgrade since most of the time, it costs money.
This even more so if you think people will upgrade their entire OS simply for a browser. Ain't happening. Even if you gave them copies for free, it still ain't happening.

The main reason people still use IE in certain areas, outside of embedded hardware, is business reasons and the combination of stupid system administrators who refuse to have 2 browsers on a computer because... well, they are stupid.

Simple, release the browser on previous versions of the OS, with turbo-sandboxed IE6 for intranet applications, then you might actually hit single digits.
Even if the browser doesn't have hardware acceleration, it is better than being stuck with an old browser.
If other browser developers can release their browsers on older operating systems, surely you, the people who made both the browsers and the OSes, can do it no problem.
Please, do it. I've had enough of IE6. Even you have had enough of it.

Also, add an actual countdown. If, after doing this, nobody has made the switch away from IE6, they will be left behind forever.
As web developers, i think we can all agree if an actual countdown was added with a final date where we all just call it quits and drop IE6, together, once and for all.
2012? 13?
If we don't, this mess will still be around even when HTML5 is completed... and i actually want to transition to that already, HTML5 is a godsend.

The problem isn't individuals (0)

ndogg (158021) | more than 3 years ago | (#35384880)

The problem is companies that don't want to upgrade because they built so many web tools they know works on IE6, but are less certain about working on anything newer. If MS would target them, they would see the usage rate drop like a stone. My own work place is no different.

Re:The problem isn't individuals (0)

Pieroxy (222434) | more than 3 years ago | (#35384996)

The upgrade is called Firefox. Simple, efficient, free (as in beer and speech). What more do you want for xmas?

In last years news... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35384912)

http://apcmag.com/microsoft-warns-stop-using-ie6-ie7-now.htm

Anti-marketing? (2)

molo (94384) | more than 3 years ago | (#35384936)

"Friends don’t let friends use Internet Explorer 6." © 2011 Microsoft

Wow. IMO, they should have left off the "6".

-molo

Re:Anti-marketing? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35385096)

"Friends don’t let friends use Internet Explorer."

Truer statement couldn't have been said regarding IE.

Microsoft's motives are not yours (1)

catmistake (814204) | more than 3 years ago | (#35384948)

Yes, most want IE6 to die. But their reasons are not MS reasons.

OTOH there are valid reasons for some companies to remain on IE6... a lack of resources and the desire not to break internal web applications that are still needed and still work. So long as the users remain locked into their internal network, there are no good reasons to upgrade, and plenty not to upgrade. And the same argument could be made for XP, Office, Server or Exchange.

Microsoft needs you to upgrade, though, to bring their plans of vendor lockin to fruition. They need the marketshare, but they especially need your money. There's not much a business user will benefit (assume their business IT is on the ball) afa functionality, but hey... they've given you shiney, now upgrade, dammit.

International version? (4, Interesting)

fearlezz (594718) | more than 3 years ago | (#35384964)

So, about 50% of the IE6 users worldwide are chinese... Actually, the top 10 countries with the highest IE6 usage are non-english... and they didn't think of approaching IE6-users in their own language? *sigh*

Re:International version? (4, Insightful)

hduff (570443) | more than 3 years ago | (#35385042)

So, about 50% of the IE6 users worldwide are chinese... Actually, the top 10 countries with the highest IE6 usage are non-english... and they didn't think of approaching IE6-users in their own language? *sigh*

What they really need is a free upgrade path from the pirated versions of Windows.

Re:International version? (1)

Solandri (704621) | more than 3 years ago | (#35385068)

Actually, the top 10 countries with the highest IE6 usage are non-english... and they didn't think of approaching IE6-users in their own language?

Actually, I think this is more a failing of the open source community and the Mozilla foundation to spread Firefox to non-English non-European users. I know in South Korea IE6 was so ubiquitous that entire companies and banks built their systems around it. It was a huge hassle when Vista shipped with IE7 and broke many of those systems. If Firefox had been pitched as well there as it was here, IE6 would never have become the hegemony there that it became, and everyone (Microsoft, Mozilla, Opera, etc) would be having an easier time getting those people to switch from IE6.

How 'bout just stopping support already? (1)

cstanley8899 (1998614) | more than 3 years ago | (#35384966)

And when the whiners complain that the website doesn't work then say.... "You must upgrade in order for the website to work." No need to pander to all these stragglers.

IE 4? (1)

CohibaVancouver (864662) | more than 3 years ago | (#35384974)

I use IE 4 on Windows NT 4, you insensitive clod!

Re:IE 4? (1)

MemoryDragon (544441) | more than 3 years ago | (#35385062)

Actually you are not so far off, we got a coplaint last year by a customer who was seriously complaining that a site was freaking out on his ie 5.5.
I first thought this was a joke, but the guy was dead serious!

Driven by Corporate Intranets (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35384978)

Looks like Microsoft is hitting at the wrong target audience. A lot of IE6 usage comes from corporations, which build many of their intranet applications to work with it (often using ActiveX). There's a *lot* of crappy code out there, which is not easy to migrate. Still those applications are mission critical. So those corporations are stuck with IE6 on the client computers. And of course those users browse not only their intranet with IE6 but the internet as well.

IE7 for Windows 2000? (1)

bigsexyjoe (581721) | more than 3 years ago | (#35385118)

Well, if they were serious they'd just make IE 7 available for Windows 2000. Of course their motive for turning against IE 6 is just to force people to upgrade to XP or beyond and give them money...
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