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306 comments

I'm really getting tired of all this.. (5, Informative)

intellitech (1912116) | more than 3 years ago | (#35388520)

I really hope SCEA crashes and burns. I personally won't ever support their products again.

Re:I'm really getting tired of all this.. (5, Insightful)

ShadowRangerRIT (1301549) | more than 3 years ago | (#35388558)

How did you miss all the other bullshit Sony has been pulling for the last decade and a half? Microsoft has a generally improving trajectory (from a low starting point no question), while Sony puts effort into finding new ways to lower the bar. I swore off them five or six years ago and haven't regretted it for an instant.

Re:I'm really getting tired of all this.. (0)

Airline_Sickness_Bag (111686) | more than 3 years ago | (#35388602)

I stopped buying Sony products years ago when I realized that they were breaking more often than my other equipment.

Get rid of your private, individual IP numbers (2)

h00manist (800926) | more than 3 years ago | (#35388626)

Everyone should share net connections. And avoid at all costs having an individual IP number, registered to their name and address, that only they use. Eventually it will become clear that IP numbers are not people.

Re:Get rid of your private, individual IP numbers (5, Interesting)

Zastai (209801) | more than 3 years ago | (#35388678)

Once IPv6 really starts being used (granted at this rate that's years off yet, despite IPv4 having officially "run out"), with its huge range, I would not be surprised to see a push from large corporations to try and mandate that IP addresses are directly linkable to people.

the IP system is not setup for any thing like that (1)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 3 years ago | (#35388792)

the IP system is not setup for any thing like that.
and then you can still post from free wifi places with a cloned mac.

Re:the IP system is not setup for any thing like t (2)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 3 years ago | (#35388932)

Outlaw DHCP and set up a replacement which uses a cryptographic token. Replace ID cards with crypto fobs. Every server etc has its own nonhuman cert. Done and done.

Re:Get rid of your private, individual IP numbers (2)

h00manist (800926) | more than 3 years ago | (#35388846)

Once IPv6 really starts being used (granted at this rate that's years off yet, despite IPv4 having officially "run out"), with its huge range, I would not be surprised to see a push from large corporations to try and mandate that IP addresses are directly linkable to people.

Goo d point. Both businesses and law enforcement have strong interest in making sure everyone is trackable by them all the time. Various criminals and spies as well. As technology makes it more possible, legal and lobbying pressure for it will increase. That will never stop. Let's face it - lots of data is easily collected with no detection, and the legal status of this activity often offers little deterrent. These hidden, illegal data stores exist and are bought and sold already. Some legal provision for these data-trafficking "information services" has to start.

Re:Get rid of your private, individual IP numbers (2)

Sponge Bath (413667) | more than 3 years ago | (#35388882)

"...mandate that IP addresses are directly linkable to people."

A personal IPv6 address will be assigned at birth, burned into an RFID capsule, and injected into your body. For backup purposes, the number will be tattooed on your forehead in ink made from kitten blood, because large corporations are just that evil.

Over 600 reasons (5, Funny)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#35388902)

A personal IPv6 address will be assigned at birth, burned into an RFID capsule, and injected into your body. For backup purposes, the number will be tattooed on your forehead

I can think of six hundred sixty-six reasons why that will never come to pass at least in countries with a strong Christian right-wing.

Re:Over 600 reasons (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35389002)

Wrong. They will force it through congress, and then use it as evidence that government is evil.

Re:Over 600 reasons (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35389028)

Yea, because nobody has an individual number associated with them like a physical address, home telephone number, cell phone number, social security number, driver's license number, etc. The Christian right-wing hasn't blown up over that stuff yet, so why would they care if you had an IPv6 address?

Re:Over 600 reasons (1)

fishexe (168879) | more than 3 years ago | (#35389088)

Yea, because nobody has an individual number associated with them like a physical address, home telephone number, cell phone number, social security number, driver's license number, etc. The Christian right-wing hasn't blown up over that stuff yet, so why would they care if you had an IPv6 address?

I assumed he was referring more to the mandatory tattoo part of the plan. The body is the temple of the soul, man...the body is the temple of the soul.

Re:Over 600 reasons (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#35389106)

nobody has an individual number associated with them like a physical address, home telephone number, cell phone number, social security number, driver's license number, etc.

A physical address, home telephone number, cell phone number, or credit card number is changeable even if by moving. As for a tax or road ID number, it's still possible to buy or sell without either of these numbers by using cash in person or a money order through the mail. Tattoos, RFID implants, and any other unique ID permanently affixed to the body appear far more prone to misuse.

Re:Over 600 reasons (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35389074)

Actually there are some of those same people who believe that must come to pass for the End Times to begin, and actually want to hasten that, so they might not try to prevent such a thing.

Re:Over 600 reasons (1)

fishexe (168879) | more than 3 years ago | (#35389082)

I can think of six hundred sixty-six reasons why that will never come to pass at least in countries with a strong Christian right-wing.

Well, I suppose the religious right will block the kitten blood part of it.

Re:Get rid of your private, individual IP numbers (1)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 3 years ago | (#35388726)

Everyone should share net connections

Read the fine print -- you cannot do that with the connection I am on, and I bet you cannot do it with most "residential" (read: affordable) connections. Your ISP could disable your Internet access for that sort of sharing, particularly when they get a subpoena and you try to claim that it was one of the dozen friends you are "sharing" your connection with.

Re:Get rid of your private, individual IP numbers (1)

icebraining (1313345) | more than 3 years ago | (#35389000)

Where I live the largest ISP uses Fonera compatible routers for home connections. Unfortunately that's not really anonymous, since you need to authenticate or buy a pass :|

Re:Get rid of your private, individual IP numbers (1)

nospam007 (722110) | more than 3 years ago | (#35389038)

"Your ISP could disable your Internet access for that sort of sharing,"

Are you under the impression that going to jail or paying millions isn't worth losing your ISP?

Re:Get rid of your private, individual IP numbers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35388774)

Eventually it will become clear that IP numbers are not people.

For most ISPs, it's not a problem to link a dynamic IP that changes, say, every 24hrs to one of their millions of users. They do log this stuff and will reveal it to the authorities once a court order is presented.

Re:Get rid of your private, individual IP numbers (1)

ThunderBird89 (1293256) | more than 3 years ago | (#35388806)

Maybe not sharing the connections (that indeed may break the EULA you're under), but TOR is our friend in this case.

Of course, I'm under no illusions that many of you share the connection, even if it's only between several devices. My EULA prohibits even that, with an enforced limit of two devices, in addition to an IPTV set-top box.

Re:Get rid of your private, individual IP numbers (2)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | more than 3 years ago | (#35388896)

How do they "enforce" it? My ISP only sees one device connected to their modem. Unless they're doing packet inspection, all they can see is my router. But, I have zero respect for any EULAS or TOS. The stuff I buy is mine, and everyone from Bill Gates on down can kiss my rear. I just don't care what they think is "fair" or "reasonable".

Re:Get rid of your private, individual IP numbers (1)

ThunderBird89 (1293256) | more than 3 years ago | (#35388984)

Not much respect on my part either, I confess, but what T-Online HU does is kinda low: not only do they do not grant admin access to the router (the default account is only a power user, barred from actions like backing up and upgrading the firmware) while reserving the right to upgrade remotely both on the router and on the STB, but it appears that the WLAN driver of the router is defective by design.

You see, my contract stipulates a two-device limit on one connection, the STB excluded. I had a laptop, a smartphone, and two desktops at the time to be connected. Most of the time, it was the smartphone and the laptop online together, with no problems. But whenever I turned on a third device, the router started throwing TKIP MIC errors every 30 seconds. I permutated through all combinations of devices, and every time, the moment a third device wanted to connect, the WLAN driver went crazy until I brought down the number to two and rebooted the router.
So I ended up putting a second router behind the T-Online one on of the CAT5 ports, and spent the better part of the day getting them to play nice with each other (instead of shelling out ~€100/~$128 for an AP).

As for DPI, I'm not sure if they stooped low enough to do that, but given that this isn't the US, I'm inclined to say they don't care for now. My university connection has worse censoring than this, TBH.

Re:Get rid of your private, individual IP numbers (1)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | more than 3 years ago | (#35389070)

Cool. Second router connected to the first. I might have thought of that, but it certainly didn't cross my mind immediately. Way to go, man!

Re:Get rid of your private, individual IP numbers (1)

maxwell demon (590494) | more than 3 years ago | (#35389098)

How do they "enforce" it?

Simple: Say someone with whom you are sharing your connection does something bad on that connection. Now you cannot defend that it wasn't you, because if you do then you've still violated the EULA. Basically it means you are responsible for everything which happens on your connection because if someone else is responsible, you are still responsible for letting him do it against the EULA. Of course, depending on what that other person did on the connection, you admitting to have shared your connection may still be the lesser evil (say, he used the line to share child porn). But then, you better have damn good proof that it wasn't you, because the EULA means you are the first suspect.

So basically the EULA is "enforced" by the fact that you'll get in trouble whenever anyone does something bad over your connection. Therefore connection sharing comes with an associated risk, especially if you share with people you don't know. If you were officially allowed sharing the connection, then you could not be held responsible for anything others do on your connection.

Re:Get rid of your private, individual IP numbers (2)

pcgfx805 (1750684) | more than 3 years ago | (#35388822)

I'm Spartacus!

Re:Get rid of your private, individual IP numbers (2)

rtyall (960518) | more than 3 years ago | (#35389042)

I was tempted to buy a domain name, something like www.SonyAreABunchOfCunts.org, and set the DNS to my IP.

Re:I'm really getting tired of all this.. (5, Interesting)

ElephanTS (624421) | more than 3 years ago | (#35388652)

Yeah absolutely. I'm an audio engineer for over 20 years now and when I started Sony owned the broadcast equipment market. Then some time during the nineties we began to realise that this stuff was going wrong *a lot*. Their DAT players although standard in many ways failed like no other brand. Panasonic took over that one and I changed my preferences to only buy Trinitron products - which in the CRT days were the best. Then they started failing quite badly too - but not before they'd mugged me for a large multisync CRT that died after about three years. Something very wrong with Sony and has been for years.

Re:I'm really getting tired of all this.. (2)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 3 years ago | (#35388922)

Something very wrong with Sony and has been for years.

When companies have competition they fight for their place in the market. Acting like you're #1 makes you into #2. People bought stuff because it said Sony on it (myself included) and because of their successful advertising. Sony is one of the few electronics companies to have any success with a factory store because, like Apple, they sell marketing. Unlike Apple, however, they pushed profit margins not by inflating prices (although Sony kit does tend to be slightly overpriced) but by compromising quality. It's not that they're not capable of successes, because many of their products are at least competently designed and manufactured (I have a ten year old receiver that I've moved with maybe six to eight times, just stacking it up with everything, probably shorted it a dozen times, it's still truckin') but that they don't care about them so long as they can keep selling you new kit.

The laptops are to me their greatest marketing success; they tend to abandon them rapidly in terms of driver updates, and have always done so; I had a Pentium MMX laptop for which they provided drivers only for WinME, for example. I think it was 180MHz. Really nice-looking hardware, really crufty chipsets (Neomagic blech) and really flimsy construction. These traditions continue today. The machines are built like shit. Driver updates are scarce. New OS? Buy another machine!

I used to have over a dozen Sony logos in my den and another half-dozen in my bedroom. I'm down now to some wireless headphones, a receiver, and the matching sub, as well as a PSTwo. All the speakers had logos too but I pried 'em off. My next receiver will not be from Sony. I'm done buying Sony game systems... or anything else for that matter. I won't buy a new game for any Sony platform, nor any new branded hardware.

Farewell, Sony. I miss the old you, which AFAICT died Ca. 1980-something. I won't miss this version. Maybe if you put Linux back in the PS3 and stop suing everyone who makes people want your systems you can stop your decline. Doubt it.

Re:I'm really getting tired of all this.. (1)

commodore6502 (1981532) | more than 3 years ago | (#35388992)

I mostly buy Panasonic, and they last a long, long time.

>>>All the speakers had logos too but I pried 'em off.

Afraid your mom will come into the basement and see the 'Sony' brand? (I'm just joking. Put down the lightsaber.) The only Sony products I have are a surround-sound stereo and my PS2, both of which continue to work without failing. (And the PS2 doubled as a dvd player, so it really should have died by now but it just keeps going.)

Re:I'm really getting tired of all this.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35388686)

Me too, but mainly because of their unfriendly actions. I will go out of my way to buy from someone else.

Re:I'm really getting tired of all this.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35388608)

Judging by you uid, you weren't even born 15 years ago.

Re:I'm really getting tired of all this.. (1)

ShadowRangerRIT (1301549) | more than 3 years ago | (#35388638)

Feeding a troll, but my uid actually has nothing to do with Power Rangers (predates the whole series by a year or two, and the "shadow ranger" by a lot more to my knowledge). All I know is that a few years ago, my mostly unique user name was being stolen by every damn 13 year old on the planet. Of course, if you're referring to the actual number as some sort of internet penis measuring contest, I lurked as AC for years before creating an account. Oh boy, I'm clearly a three year old in disguise. Get over yourself.

Re:I'm really getting tired of all this.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35388640)

If you think you can accurately predict a persons age based upon their UID you might be 15 years old.

Re:I'm really getting tired of all this.. (1)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 3 years ago | (#35388782)

If you were 15 or less years old, Power Rangers would have first aired before you were born.

Re:I'm really getting tired of all this.. (1)

commodore6502 (1981532) | more than 3 years ago | (#35388954)

>>>I swore off [Sony, Xbox360, NintendoWii] five or six years ago and haven't regretted it for an instant.

Better.

>>>Sony has been pulling for the last decade and a half

Slight exaggeration. Sony didn't really "turn bad" until just prior to the PS3 launch... sometime around 2005. So half a decade really, not 1.5 decades.

Re:I'm really getting tired of all this.. (3, Insightful)

arth1 (260657) | more than 3 years ago | (#35388562)

At this point, I wish SCOTUS would crash and burn.
They've lost all my respect, turning into corrupt politicos pushing their owners' agenda, and not unbiased protectors of the individuals that make up the nation and her constitution. If it wasn't for SCOTUS' bought and paid for decisions during the last 15 years, this would have gone nowhere.

And I can't even vote them off the bench. Some democracy.

Re:I'm really getting tired of all this.. (3, Funny)

yincrash (854885) | more than 3 years ago | (#35388764)

who are their owners, exactly? because they are not electable, they shouldn't have to answer to anyone. are you saying they get payouts? is there any record of this?

Re:I'm really getting tired of all this.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35388798)

Every Supreme Court justice is very, very wealthy. They hold their investments in blind trusts but they are not stupid - in general, pro-business/anti-consumer decisions will benefit them even though they don't know the exact contents of their own portfolios. Indirect payouts can be just as corrupting as direct payouts.

Re:I'm really getting tired of all this.. (5, Informative)

netsharc (195805) | more than 3 years ago | (#35388884)

Here's one [salon.com]

Here's another one [salon.com] .

Is getting asked to speak at a mostly Republican event, and getting "reimbursed for the flight and hotel" enough of a payout for you? How about if it was a first class flight and 5-star Penthouse room with "order anything you want from room service.". Sure, no cash exchanged hands, maybe he just got lobster dinners and got it "reimbursed" because he was traveling to be a guest speaker, and he surely had to eat right? Is that still kosher?

And Thomas' wife works with tea partiers and get money from them. OK, neutral much?

Re:I'm really getting tired of all this.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35388898)

they're old and senile now. and anyway it seems law school corrupts any ability to reason sanely and justly

Re:I'm really getting tired of all this.. (1)

commodore6502 (1981532) | more than 3 years ago | (#35389080)

>>>they shouldn't have to answer to anyone

The US Justices are buddy-buddy with the US congress and US white house, both of which are puppets of Sony and other megacorps (via campaign donations). Congress and the Executive exert enormous pressure on their coworkers to pass correct decisions from the bench.

Having the US government police the US government (court review of laws) makes as little sense as having Sony corporation police the Sony corporation.

Re:I'm really getting tired of all this.. (1)

mapkinase (958129) | more than 3 years ago | (#35388874)

Don't forget state courts, systematically shooting down the results of various state referendums as unconstitutional.

Not democracy; we're a republic (1)

Smidge207 (1278042) | more than 3 years ago | (#35388958)

And I can't even vote them off the bench. Some democracy.

Re:I'm really getting tired of all this.. (5, Informative)

commodore6502 (1981532) | more than 3 years ago | (#35389044)

>>>unbiased protectors of the individuals that make up the nation and her constitution

Where did you ever get the illusion the Supreme Court was "unbiased"??? That was never, ever, never the case. Even as early as 1805 Thomas Jefferson wrote, "You seem... to consider the judges as the ultimate arbiters of all constitutional questions --- a very dangerous doctrine indeed, and one which would place us under the despotism of an oligarchy.

"Our judges are as honest as other men, and not more so. They have, with others, the same passions for party, for power, and the privilege of their corps.... Their power is the more dangerous as they are in office for life, and not responsible, as the other functionaries are, to the Elective control. The constitution has erected no such single tribunal, knowing that to whatever hands confided, with the corruptions of time and party, its members would become despots. It has more wisely made all the departments co-equal and co-sovereign within themselves.

"...But the Chief Justice says there must be an arbiter somewhere. True there must, but the ultimate arbiter is the People, as represented by their deputies in the State Legislatures. Let the States decide to which they meant to give power, and amend the constitution if necessary."
.

Since the power of Judicial Review is not expressly granted to the Supreme Court by the Constitution, this power is "reserved to the States respectively, or to the people" per the Constitution's OWN words. It is not the Union judiciary's responsibility to protect individuals. It is the responsibility of the People and the States, standing-up for their rights against an overreaching central government-megacorp tyrant, and nullifying unjust laws whenever the occasion warrants.

Re:I'm really getting tired of all this.. (0)

EuclideanSilence (1968630) | more than 3 years ago | (#35389048)

At this point, I wish SCOTUS would crash and burn. They've lost all my respect, turning into corrupt politicos pushing their owners' agenda, and not unbiased protectors of the individuals that make up the nation and her constitution. If it wasn't for SCOTUS' bought and paid for decisions during the last 15 years, this would have gone nowhere.

And I can't even vote them off the bench. Some democracy.

Bullshit.

First of all, it's not the SCOTUS responsibility to protect people. Fiat Justitia Ruat Caelum [wikipedia.org] . It's their responsibility to protect the law, and the consequences to any of the population are not their concern.

Secondly, what are these bought and paid for decisions? Bought for by how much? There is an argument to be made for justices improperly resolving ambiguity to their own personal preferences, but bought? Show me.

Most importantly, if you don't like any of their decisions, they can ALL be fixed by the legislature. If you want more restrictions placed on warrants, vote third party or stfu.

Re:I'm really getting tired of all this.. (2)

nicholas22 (1945330) | more than 3 years ago | (#35388600)

My g/f needs a new laptop. A month ago I suggested she got a Sony VAIO. Now I'm telling her about how good ACER can be...

Like Sony cares (0)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 3 years ago | (#35388700)

Gee, a couple thousand disgruntled /. users vs. millions upon millions of people who have not even heard of the Geohot case, who think that "pirates" are just part of a mafia run video game cheating racket, and who will continue to buy Sony products whenever Consumer Reports gives them decent reviews. Do you think Sony actually cares about hackers, geeks, or anyone who is actually informed about the Geohot issue? As long as the masses keep buying things that Sony makes, Sony will keep on doing what they do.

Re:Like Sony cares (2)

vadim_t (324782) | more than 3 years ago | (#35388762)

But those few thousands are precisely those that get asked by their friends and families to recommend them a laptop, what console to buy for their kids and so on. I must have done that kind of thing for at least 20 people, and I generally try to avoid it if possible.

But piss me off and I get a lot more dedicated. I recently went shopping with somebody to make sure that their new TV wouldn't be a Sony one.

Re:Like Sony cares (1)

Velex (120469) | more than 3 years ago | (#35388786)

What'll be interesting is if some of those masses had watched that video and find themselves in hot water. Over watching a video! In a free country!

Well, maybe not so free any more. Brought to you by Carl's Jr.

Re:Like Sony cares (3, Interesting)

PRMan (959735) | more than 3 years ago | (#35388842)

Ah, but I was at Fry's recently looking at receivers and the sales guys never mentioned Sony once, despite them having half the shelf. Finally, when I mentioned a specific feature, they reluctantly told me that the Sony model did have that feature in my price range. I told them that I wouldn't touch Sony with a 10-foot pole and they smiled and agreed completely, telling me that they don't push them at all and that they are not selling. They'll tell the customers about Yamaha, Onkyo, Denon, Pioneer, but NOT Sony.

Re:Like Sony cares (3, Insightful)

Belial6 (794905) | more than 3 years ago | (#35389068)

If Sony didn't care about hackers, geeks, or anyone who is actually informed about the Geohot issue, there wouldn't be a Geohot issue.

Re:I'm really getting tired of all this.. (1)

sxedog (824351) | more than 3 years ago | (#35388720)

I joined the ABS club years ago... Anything But Sony. I'm not upset about my decision at all. As a consumer I have the power to decide where to spend my money. I choose ABS

Re:I'm really getting tired of all this.. (1)

mapkinase (958129) | more than 3 years ago | (#35388868)

It's like being angry at the rope instead of the guy who tries to strangle you.

Your rights to privacy and to free speech cost as much for you as you fight for it.

Well then... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35388524)

Shouldn't we all view his video and leave a few choice comments about what a dirty little slut the prosecution's mom is?

Re:Well then... (2)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 3 years ago | (#35388654)

You mean sort of a /. effect on the number of people the prosecution has to check into? We might still be able to do that to his blog but I doubt the video is still on YouTube. Of course, if we all posted links to 'Rick Rolls' & Goatse on his blog I'm pretty sure we could ruin someone's day.

Re:Well then... (1)

mshenrick (1874438) | more than 3 years ago | (#35388688)

i tried to, but everything they want the logs of is removed

Re:Well then... (1)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | more than 3 years ago | (#35389046)

Well - they may have my IP address from the logs - but neither the prosecution nor the defense wants to drag me into court. The sumbitch sitting behind the bench may very well find me "in contempt" - but I will have my say if dragged in to court. Before the American Revolution, did England make it illegal to discuss politics? Can't help wondering about that . . .

Sony strategy ? (1)

ouaibe (762632) | more than 3 years ago | (#35388526)

1 - Get all the IPs that visited Geohot/Youtube
2 - Cross-reference with PSN accounts at the same time.
3 - Ban the f* out of them.
4 - ....
5 - Profit ?

Re:Sony strategy ? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35388660)

4 - Everyone who's account was banned jailbreaks their PS3 and starts pirating games.

Of course, that doesn't mean Sony won't do this.

Re:Sony strategy ? (3, Insightful)

dotHectate (975458) | more than 3 years ago | (#35388676)

Step 4 is really a mystery, because Step 3, "Banning customers" doesn't naturally lead to Step 5, "Profit!!!" in any way, shape, or form.

Re:Sony strategy ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35388784)

It does if they all go out and buy new PS3's (unlikely)

At this point Sony shouldn't be losing money on each unit sold (one would hope)

Go for it (5, Interesting)

MonsterTrimble (1205334) | more than 3 years ago | (#35388532)

I will watch the youtube videos just to make extra work for Sony - even if it's only a second or two of their time. I would love for them to come knocking - I don't own a PS3 (nor intend to), never owned a PS2 and my wife's PS1 is collecting dust in my basement. In fact, except for the PS1 only Nintendo has made it inside the walls of my house.

Oh, and I'm Canadian. *flips Sony the bird*

Re:Go for it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35388596)

^^This.

Fully intend to watch the Youtube videos as many times as possible, from as many locations as possible, including our public library. Sony's arrogance and asshattery is so typical of the perceived stereotype of the Japanese in this part of the country, that it does a disservice to the numerous people of Japan I've actually had the fortune to meet, and we get rather a lot of visitors from Japan around here. Thank you, Sony, for helping to perpetuate social dinosaurs, can't wait for the inevitable extinction event that your bad karma is begging for.

Re:Go for it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35388704)

Same here...I'm going to watch the youtube videos and then laugh my monkey ass off when Sony tries to extort or punish me. I don't own a PS3 (or a PS2, or PS-anything) and I never will.

So here's the deal Sony: you're welcome to falsely accuse me of whatever you like, and I'll be free to sue you for whatever my attorney feels is appropriate.

Re:Go for it (1)

Wild_dog! (98536) | more than 3 years ago | (#35388748)

I went to the blog site and it wouldn't accept my post.
Hmmmmm.

http://geohotgotsued.blogspot.com/2011/02/grafchokolo.html#comment-form [blogspot.com]

Re:Go for it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35388818)

With google account, posting seems to be working...
Have at it!

Signal/Noise (-1, Troll)

westlake (615356) | more than 3 years ago | (#35388834)

I will watch the youtube videos just to make extra work for Sony - even if it's only a second or two of their time

The only time you'll be wasting is your own.

Sony is casting its nets for the big fish. The first at Geohot's door.

I don't own a PS3. Oh, and I'm Canadian.

I can't say I'm surprised.

San Francisco? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35388554)

Why are they so desperate to have the case heard in San Francisco?

Re:San Francisco? (2)

Abstrackt (609015) | more than 3 years ago | (#35388620)

Why are they so desperate to have the case heard in San Francisco?

I'd say they're desperate to have the case heard anywhere they can get ahead, San Francisco just happens to be the place it's working.

Re:San Francisco? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35388994)

Because SF is one of the wackiest districts in the 9th Circuit.

More About the Judge (5, Informative)

BooRadley (3956) | more than 3 years ago | (#35388570)

This says less about Sony, and more about the judge in the case. According to several ratings websites, Hon. Joseph Spero is pretty new to the Magistrate bench, and has the reputation for being predisposed to siding with government and business 100% of the time. Hopefully there will be an injunction and appeal coming soon on this.

Re:More About the Judge (1)

Antisyzygy (1495469) | more than 3 years ago | (#35388888)

Don't bother calling him Hon. he doesn't deserve it.

Re:More About the Judge (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35389086)

Not to pick nits, but you don't get to decide that. He's a judge, a position of honor in our society. If you don't like that, get him disbarred. But retracting an honorific is just childish and petty. If you do it in his court, or any other, you will find out rather quickly that your opinion is neither welcome, nor free.

Does Sony think they are helping themselves? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35388574)

I don't own a PS3 and wouldn't buy one because I don't support closed source devices. I am not sure I understand why Sony thinks this is in their best interest.

closed source devices (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#35388948)

I don't own a PS3 and wouldn't buy one because I don't support closed source devices.

Just so that we can get definitions straight before proceeding further (Layne's Law), how exactly do you define "closed source devices"? Does a non-free BIOS make a device closed-source? What about a non-free microcode in the CPU?

Idiocracy (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35388580)

This is really going too far. This is not even about piracy but Sony's pride. Also, laws need to be changed. When I buy something I want to use it the way I want, not the way somebody told me.

Re:Idiocracy (2)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 3 years ago | (#35388712)

When I buy something I want to use it the way I want, not the way somebody told me.

Yes, because as we all know, you "own" what you buy...

Re:Idiocracy (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 3 years ago | (#35388946)

Yes, because as we all know, you "own" what you buy...

As much as you can own anything ever, you own whatever you buy. Unfortunately for you, there's lots of laws that permit the government to take things that you "own" away from you. Further, when you buy a program on CD or whatever the law essentially means you've only bought the media and its contents aren't really yours. And if you're connecting your computer to someone else's network and you've agreed to let them manage it then you deserve the management you get. You're free to buy the PS3 and bring it home and do anything you want to it and even resell it. If you connect it to Sony's network and agree to their terms then they're free to do anything to it covered by your agreement.

So yes, when you buy a PS3, you do own it. And further, you're free to do anything you like to the program code on that PS3... except redistribute it without the PS3 you bought.

Waits for the streisandeffect tag (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35388628)

to be added to the article. Just mentioning that site, people are going to visit it. And what about those who were curious about the info but don't own a PS3, and don't plan on getting one ever now?

Go after him, not his viewers (4, Informative)

Kenshin (43036) | more than 3 years ago | (#35388646)

As much as GeoHot put himself in this whole legal mess, with his publicity-seeking and taunting of Sony, it's asinine of Sony to go after his YouTube viewers and commenters. I guarantee that 99.9% of the viewers are just bystanders who wanted to see what all the fuss is about. He created the content and put the video up, people who simply clicked "play" did nothing wrong. In fact, YouTube holds more guilt than all of them simply for making it available.

Re:viewers (2)

TaoPhoenix (980487) | more than 3 years ago | (#35388904)

Dammit, did everyone miss the scary point? Now I know why we face the threat of the end of the world in 20 months in Dec 2012 - because we might have destroyed the internet by then and we can't go back to the land before internet-time now.

View this either as multiplication, or set theory -

(Huge Disastrous Precedent) * (Temporary Artificial Narrowing of Scope) = "Yesterday's News".
Then because we are Dopamine-Junkies, "Yesterday's News" is never good enough! So then the (Temporary Artificial Boundaries on Scope) vanish and we are left with (Huge Disastrous Precedent).

(Judge Approved (Random Company's) multiple supoenas which seek logs of all viewers and commenters to (Any_Citizen's) (YouTube video)).

For as little reason as some hardware hacking? Really?! Then there was that other one from Indiana a few days ago that was also a collage of (Something Hideous) * (Temporary Limit of Scope).

The real problem is we are also moving towards Guilty Until Proven Innocent because the media isstill hooked on a news model of "Let's Embarass People!"

This is getting ridiculous (4, Insightful)

Pecisk (688001) | more than 3 years ago | (#35388672)

Maybe they will ask Google for people who have searched for certain terms, code names, utt.? What's next, going after people who criticize this witch hunt from Sony?

It is funny that some lawyer drones are capable to destroy everything company tried hard to build. It is time to require lawyers to have not only knowledge of law, but also understanding of common sense and intelligence. Otherwise modern society will slowly kill itself with such attitude.

Thought Crimes (1)

freezin fat guy (713417) | more than 3 years ago | (#35388698)

(Sony's eyes darting left and right) Enemies, enemies everywhere!

The only failproof solution is for Sony to jail everyone in existence so nobody can purchase from them and thereby potentially do them harm.

Because it certainly sounds like the only way to harm Sony is to purchase from them.

Whatever happened to net neutrality?? (1)

Dubblewhopper (1780134) | more than 3 years ago | (#35388706)

* Cries* :( . Time to reminisce when I had Prodigy two decades ago....

Tried to post a blog comment but locked out? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35388732)

Maybe I was doing something wrong, but I submitted my comment with openID and after several screens it said my comment couldn't be posted.

http://geohotgotsued.blogspot.com/2011/02/grafchokolo.html#comment-form

Is it my lameness or is something goofy going on?

Oops, here it is again... (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35388742)

Haven't we learned yet that threats of legal action don't stop anything?

erk: C0 CE FE 84 C2 27 F7 5B D0 7A 7E B8 46 50 9F 93 B2 38 E7 70 DA CB 9F F4 A3 88 F8 12 48 2B E2 1B
riv: 47 EE 74 54 E4 77 4C C9 B8 96 0C 7B 59 F4 C1 4D
pub: C2 D4 AA F3 19 35 50 19 AF 99 D4 4E 2B 58 CA 29 25 2C 89 12 3D 11 D6 21 8F 40 B1 38 CA B2 9B 71 01 F3 AE B7 2A 97 50 19
R: 80 6E 07 8F A1 52 97 90 CE 1A AE 02 BA DD 6F AA A6 AF 74 17
n: E1 3A 7E BC 3A CC EB 1C B5 6C C8 60 FC AB DB 6A 04 8C 55 E1
K: BA 90 55 91 68 61 B9 77 ED CB ED 92 00 50 92 F6 6C 7A 3D 8D
Da: C5 B2 BF A1 A4 13 DD 16 F2 6D 31 C0 F2 ED 47 20 DC FB 06 70

~geohot

props to fail0verflow for the asymmetric half
no donate link, just use this info wisely
i do not condone piracy

if you want your next console to be secure, get in touch with me. any of you 3.
it'd be fun to be on the other side. ...and this is a real self, hello world
although it's not NPDRM, so it won't run off the hard drive
shouts to the guys who did PSL1GHT
without you, I couldn't release this

Great... (3, Funny)

gtvr (1702650) | more than 3 years ago | (#35388816)

Now Sony is going to want the IP of everyone who viewed the comments here.

New sony motto: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35388754)

Failed like no other

What the hell (3, Insightful)

Antisyzygy (1495469) | more than 3 years ago | (#35388826)

I fail to see how this is justified whatsoever. Someone visiting his twitter account, youtube account or web page does not mean they had anything to do with anything in the scope of this case. Plenty of people checked him out after they read about him in the news or looked at his website for other reasons. He has a ton of stuff on his sight completely unrelated to PS3 Jailbreaking. This is the most blatantly freedom violating ruling I have heard of in recent history. This basically amounts to a blanket big-brother subpoena. This judge is an absolute moron and should be disbarred from all justice and legal practice for failing to understand one of the most simple amendments in the Constitution.

Re:What the hell (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35388912)

Why should Joseph Spero care? He likely gets a few kickbacks and unmarked suit cases full of money from Sony and can enjoy a new house or yacht. It's not like corrupt judges had much to fear. I mean what's the rate of criminal judges getting disbarred or even convicted? They're set for life. Who's going to judge them? Their colleagues they're going to the bar after their hearing? Hah!

Re:What the hell (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35389072)

No, it's the second worst. The first one is where the DOJ sues in a court that doesn't have jurisdiction over the situation (Only the Supreme Court does, per the Constitution...) over SB1070 in Arizona. Regardless of whether you agree with the law or not, what has and is being done is as bad or worse than the travesties in this case.

Did you vote for someone who wanted higher taxes? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35388840)

THIS is the kind of crap higher taxes pay for.

All governments are power-hungry beasts that feed on tax revenue.

The reason large corporations and wealthy people ask the government to do things for them (AKA "petition the government for grievances", a fundamental Constitutional right!) is because THE GOVERNMENT HAS THE POWER TO GRANT THEIR WISHES!!!!

And the government has the power BECAUSE IT HAS LOTS OF MONEY FROM TAXES!!!

No government has YOUR best interests in mind. So STARVE THE FUCKING BEAST!

It really is that simple, folks. If you don't want any government to abuse power, you CAN'T GIVE IT ANY POWER.

You are an idiot. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35388914)

Good night.

F Sony, Boycott This BS, and F Neocon Fed Judges (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35388900)

Wake the fuck up from this nightmare. Who owns these judges? The controlling plutocracy obviously. Its all about the profit-motive, not your privacy rights. You know something is very wrong. Go watch Zeitgeist Addendum on Youtube to get a better perspective on all this nonsense before its taken down. And no, there won't be corporatist morons demanding your IP addresses yet, at least not pubicly.

say what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35388960)

Judge wants access to information regarding lawful *interest* in something (not that they are blowing up Sony's corporate headquarters, members of Al Qaeda etc? eh? how is this even remotely constitutional in the US or any other (sane) jurisdiction? Oh - I just read the FA and... it's IP addresses

/facepalm

When will these lamers from the 19th century learn something (a quiet piece of me hopes *never*)

Andy

Something to consider (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35389008)

Maybe they're pushing it like this out of desperation? I mean.. PS3's are banned from being imported to Europe for now, so they're losing even more money than before. Just my 2 cents

StumbleUpon?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35389016)

I use StumbleUpon all the time (it was a great companion when I was home sick recently as I don't have cable) and I seriously can't remember if I've been to his youtube page or not. I haven't been to his site or accessed his twitter feed. Should I worry about a visit from the jackboots?

Also I hear the Judge wants the logs to this page for a list of all those who complained about him.

anonymous (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35389020)

so what i wanna see is a repeat of hbgary federal.... come on some one. step up and fight back.

How is this not a violation of the first amendment (1)

kevorkian (142533) | more than 3 years ago | (#35389024)

I cant wait to see this used as precedent to get the records of everyone that bought a copy of "book X" ..

This is just getting fucking stupid.

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