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Is Apple Turning Into the Next "Evil Empire"?

samzenpus posted more than 3 years ago | from the one-mouse-button-to-rule-them-all dept.

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jira writes "'You may think you own your iPad or iPhone but in reality an invisible string links it back to Apple HQ' writes John Naughton. He adds: 'Umberto Eco once wrote a memorable essay arguing that the Apple Mac was a Catholic device, while the IBM PC was a Protestant one. His reasoning was that, like the Roman church, Apple offered a guaranteed route to salvation – the Apple Way – provided one stuck to it. PC users, on the other hand, had to take personal responsibility for working out their own routes to heaven.'"

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Present continuous tense is unnecessary (3, Insightful)

unity100 (970058) | more than 3 years ago | (#35395548)

it is not an ongoing process. you should use past perfect tense.

Re:Present continuous tense is unnecessary (0, Troll)

smallfries (601545) | more than 3 years ago | (#35395566)

Do you really think that grammar is the biggest issue with this piece of flamebait?

Re:Present continuous tense is unnecessary (1)

Aighearach (97333) | more than 3 years ago | (#35395604)

This is slashdot, we call out every idiocy. Real _and_ imagined!

Re:Present continuous tense is unnecessary (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35395730)

In french the word for grammar sounds a lot like grandmother, so when I was in 4th grade getting ready to learn about grammar i thought we were going to be learning about a grandmother. True story.

Re:Present continuous tense is unnecessary (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35395610)

The 'flamebait' was when Apple decided that '1984' was an instruction manual.

Re:Present continuous tense is unnecessary (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35395692)

Do you really think that grammar is the biggest issue with this piece of flamebait?

Do you really think his post is about grammar?

monopolies (4, Insightful)

Weezul (52464) | more than 3 years ago | (#35395948)

I've never been too afraid that Apple would hold onto any dominant market position indefinitely because Apple's one size fits all philosophy simply cannot make everyone happy. Apple success has shown however that consumer electronics supports a one size fits all philosophy infinitely better than the business market where Microsoft trounced them.

Apple has kept their overpriced ipods on top largely by providing consumers with the most physically attractive product. And physical attractiveness has also played a role in adoption of their laptop line as well, especially the Air. Yet, I doubt the iPhone will carry the day on looks.

All the phone manufactures are far more habituated to producing a beautiful product that either laptop or mp3 player makers. Android lets them focus much more so on the looks problem. And people don't want to all look exactly alike.

Apple isn't likely to dominate any markets that actually matter. Yes, tablets remains an open question. Yet, we're seeing iOS's retarded design limits here. Maemo's widgets and integration made it a better tablet operating system than iOS. And that made Maemo ultimately a better phone operating system too. Apple may've needed to approach the problem from the other direction to escape the desktop metaphor, but ultimately iOS is inferior to Android with it's widgets.

We should ideally just pass a law that compiled code isn't protected under copyright law unless the source code is available to anyone who purchases the product of course, i.e. mandate open source licenses. Good luck! lol

But, but, but... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35395556)

I thought Google was the next Evil Empire!

Re:But, but, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35395758)

I thought Oracle was the next Evil Empire

Re:But, but, but... (2)

pasamio (737659) | more than 3 years ago | (#35395786)

They're all evil in an axis of evil like North Korea, Iraq and Iran. They're even in the same geographic region of evilness.

Re:But, but, but... (2)

BeanThere (28381) | more than 3 years ago | (#35395924)

The difference is that today, Apple, Google, Microsoft etc. all have decent, healthy competition between one another and from outsiders. That keeps any of them from behaving overly "evil". Certainly today's computer industry is nothing like the bad old days of MS dominance and stagnation back in the 90s.

Yes and no (5, Insightful)

aliquis (678370) | more than 3 years ago | (#35395558)

I would had wanted to argue "what is there to discuss?", but nevermind.

Is apple _turning_ into the next evil empire?

No, they already are.

Now what?

Re:Yes and no (4, Funny)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | more than 3 years ago | (#35395740)

I would had wanted to argue "what is there to discuss?", but nevermind.
Is apple _turning_ into the next evil empire?
No, they already are.
Now what?

We need a totally buff chick to throw a giant hammer into the video screen during Jobs's speech at an apple brainwash^d^d^d^d^d^d^d^d^d ... product announcement.

Re:Yes and no (2, Insightful)

kthreadd (1558445) | more than 3 years ago | (#35395800)

It depends on what you mean by evil. I've been a Mac user since what feels like forever and I can definitly see that something have changed over the passed few years starting about the same time Apple started to become really popular. They are building what people often refer to as a walled garden where everything is controlled by Apple and if that's okay with you it actually works. I could definitly recommend the Apple solution to people that want to user computers and mobile devices in order to do things but don't want to worry about how everything actually works. I don't think that doing so is particularly evil. I think that most people that choose the Apple way is well aware of what it means and choose it with their own will. Apple actively choose to focus on these customers. For people like me that means that Apple is fading away as not being interesting anymore. Apple knows that. They don't want me as a customer anymore.

Obligiatory (2)

Rik Sweeney (471717) | more than 3 years ago | (#35395560)

Is Apple Turning Into the Next "Evil Empire"?

Apple: Slashdot, we're not Microsoft. Do you seriously think we'd explain our masterstroke if there remained the slightest chance of you affecting its outcome? We did it 35 minutes ago.

It's like being at school (4, Insightful)

Mike Mentalist (544984) | more than 3 years ago | (#35395562)

Can we drop this absurd use of the word 'evil' please?

Re:It's like being at school (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35395602)

Can we stop supporting absurd corporations because we have a lack of personal identity and an absurd ignorance of technical matters?

Re:It's like being at school (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35395720)

(Both you and the moron who modded you up.)

Re:It's like being at school (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35395812)

Are you, or have you ever been, an Apple product owner?

Re:It's like being at school (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35395642)

Words evolve. The use of the word "evil" here is in line with common usage.

not only evil (-1, Troll)

FudRucker (866063) | more than 3 years ago | (#35395564)

Apple's products are extremely over-priced, it is an "electronics cult" sort of like scientology, (the iCult) i think Anonymous should take them down a notch or two.

Re:not only evil (2, Insightful)

jemmyw (624065) | more than 3 years ago | (#35395618)

I don't think they are overpriced, after all they don't operate in a supply/demand type chain. Apple sets the price based on the development, design and manufacturing costs, plus whatever profit margin they want. If they were overpriced then a lower priced competitor would come into the market and take some market share... like Android has done quite successfully with smartphones, except that the market is not yet saturated.

As for their other stuff, well personally I like their computing equipment enough to think that it's worth the extra you pay (and when I priced up my macbook it was actually cheaper / on par with the competition). On the other hand an iPhone is overpriced for me because I don't see the value in what it does, same with the iPad. But for plenty of others it's obviously not overpriced. If they try to control OSX as they have iOS, then I'll move to Linux if it doesn't work for me, and they'll lose my custom.

I really don't like what Apple are doing in the content space with walled gardens etc. However, that doesn't make them overpriced. Evil perhaps, or maybe just normal corporate. I don't think Anonymous are the weapon to use here, and I didn't like the tone of your comment, people are allowed to buy into Apple equipment and services if they choose to do so. Try your wallet as a weapon instead.

Re:not only evil (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35395726)

Yeah, Apple charging +$200-400 the MSRP of hard drives, memory, monitors, and all other standard components isn't overpriced at all.

Re:not only evil (1)

jemmyw (624065) | more than 3 years ago | (#35395762)

But it's not overpriced, it's just a price. You can buy those things somewhere else. Apple are not the only retailer selling hard drives, memory and monitors.

And granted they seem to be trying to prevent people upgrading laptops using off the shelf components. But that's still not an indication of being overpriced, just an indication of evilness. They don't have a monopoly on Laptops, so you can still buy from someone else if that makes you unhappy.

Re:not only evil (1)

erroneus (253617) | more than 3 years ago | (#35395904)

That is AMAZING denial.

"It's not overpriced, it's just a price." Really? How, exactly, do you define "overpriced"?

Generic components that go into Apple devices are overpriced when acquired through Apple when compared to compatible devices from other channels.

They do have a monopoly on laptops running Mac OS X and they defend it fiercely with every legal resource they have available to it.

When talking about Apple, you have to talk about the "whole Apple." Yes, they aren't the monopoly on servers or desktops or laptops or smartphones or media players. But that's not the whole story -- that's just the argument they use when defending their actions and what apologists use when explaining Apple. The truth becomes clearer when you see how Apple responds to parties interested in participating in "Apple's Monopoly Markets." That's when the ugly truth comes out.

Re:not only evil (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35395820)

I'm on the market for a tablet, spec'd like iPad 2 or better, for $500 or less. Anything but iOS. I'm open to suggestions.

Re:not only evil (1)

scdeimos (632778) | more than 3 years ago | (#35395826)

Well that comment just shows that you've never shopped at Dell.

Re:not only evil (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35395952)

What? I have an Alienware laptop and I specifically didn't purchase the upgrades through Dell. I saved around $350 and ended up with much better hardware.

Dell is just as bad as Apple is.

Re:not only evil (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35395822)

YA, just ask Psystar or some of the ounther Mac clones that tried to get some of the Mac marketshare, sued into oblivion. So yes, Apple is evil by the fact there can be NO MAC compatible market. Where is the RICO act when you need it.

A bite of the Apple? (3, Interesting)

Troll-Under-D'Bridge (1782952) | more than 3 years ago | (#35395688)

The Apple logo is just the invitation to this sort of techno-moralism. For natural born atheists and non-Christians, the half-eaten apple is a representation of the Forbidden Fruit [wikipedia.org]. So, yes, Apple is "evil" in that "iconic" sense. You just have to have an iPhone but all you can afford is an Android? Confess your sin and say your prayers, son.

Re:not only evil (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35395738)

Yeap! I agree with you : Apple's products are expensive on this [webatu.com] market!

Yes, but... (1)

justin12345 (846440) | more than 3 years ago | (#35395576)

It's avoidable. Never buy anything from them that begins with an "i". Anything that begins with an "M" you're ok.

Re:Yes, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35395784)

Like MacBook? Or any of those Macintoshes? Or Mac Pro? Or even Mac Mini with two "M"s?

Re:Yes, but... (1)

jonwil (467024) | more than 3 years ago | (#35395790)

What about products that begin with an A (e.g. Airport)?

Re:Yes, but... (1)

kthreadd (1558445) | more than 3 years ago | (#35395862)

From a technical perspective the AirPort Extreme is actually a quite competent wireless basestation. The only drawback, which can be a significant one, is that all administration has to be done through the AirPort Utility application which is only available for Mac OS X and Windows.

Flaimbait article (0)

zonker (1158) | more than 3 years ago | (#35395580)

Wow what a load of flamebait. What kind of conversation do you expect this will turn into with such a leading premise?

Slash can do better... (but I've been around long enough not to get my hopes up).

Re:Flaimbait article (2)

node 3 (115640) | more than 3 years ago | (#35395776)

Exactly this. Calling Apple an "evil empire" is fundamentally non-conducive to debate. Either you hate Apple, and thus think they are evil, or you don't hate Apple, and think it's silly to call them evil (and fewer people hate Apple than don't, so they definitely don't count as "evil" in terms of popular opinion). Evil is a fairly harsh term, and few corporations deserve the adjective.

Even neither Microsoft nor Oracle deserve to be called "evil". Once you've done that, you've proxy Godwined your argument.

Re:Flaimbait article (1)

rishistar (662278) | more than 3 years ago | (#35395834)

I'd prefer to reserve 'evil' as a monicker for tobacco companies, arms companies and Nestle (http://www.babymilkaction.org/). Apple are just more restrictive and controlling - probably more so than Microsoft ever were.

An interesting question. (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35395588)

The fact that this question is being asked is, in my opinion, a sign of the times. I never thought I'd see the day when Apple is considered an "evil empire", and Microsoft is kind of the underdog/good-guy. I think, however, that Apple is making the same mistakes now they made 30 years ago. They decided to tie their hardware and software together, forcing the end user to buy their hardware - at a drastically increased initial investment cost - in order to get their software. Microsoft came along and blew that concept out of the water, and now Apple is doing the same thing again with mobile devices and iOS. Then we have Google creating an open source operating system that's totally "untethered" from hardware (I've even seen Android running on iPhones).

I think that we're going to see a repeat of the 90's here somewhat shortly with respect to mobile devices (aka "the next frontier"). Apple will insist on selling iPads and iPhones at $500 - $800 each, and Google will allow their OS to be placed on any device the consumer wants, decoupling the OS and hardware and ultimately "owning" the mobile marketspace, just like Microsoft beat Apple in terms of marketshare and continues to do so to this day.

Re:An interesting question. (3, Interesting)

jonwil (467024) | more than 3 years ago | (#35395810)

The difference here is that unlike the PC industry where there were no forces trying to keep the software stack closed or control what you ran, in the mobile space we have cell carriers (especially in the US) who want to control what mobile device users do with their device in the same way Ma Bell controlled what the devices that connected to the phone network were able to do in the past.

Re:An interesting question. (5, Insightful)

node 3 (115640) | more than 3 years ago | (#35395816)

The fact that this question is being asked is, in my opinion, a sign of the times. I never thought I'd see the day when Apple is considered an "evil empire", and Microsoft is kind of the underdog/good-guy.

People have been saying this for over twenty years now. Nothing new here. What would be interesting is if common perception is that this is a valid question, and it's most definitely not.

forcing the end user to buy their hardware

No one has ever been forced to buy Apple hardware. In fact, most people don't buy their computers.

I think that we're going to see a repeat of the 90's here somewhat shortly with respect to mobile devices (aka "the next frontier"). Apple will insist on selling iPads and iPhones at $500 - $800 each, and Google will allow their OS to be placed on any device the consumer wants, decoupling the OS and hardware and ultimately "owning" the mobile marketspace, just like Microsoft beat Apple in terms of marketshare and continues to do so to this day.

Three problems...

1. Market share of the OS is a simple, but incomplete metric. Apple makes more money than any other PC maker, and is just shy of greater profits and revenue than MS. So claiming MS has "won" is not so cut and dry.
2. You are comparing iPhones to Android. You should be comparing iPhones (and other iOS devices) to Android phones and other Android devices. That an iPhone costs $199 and $299, but the Android OS is free is meaningless. iOS is free on iPhones too.
3. iOS has outsold Android. So your conclusion has yet to come to pass. But even if it ever does, you end up with the first point, how has that benefitted Google greater than iOS has benefitted Apple? Even if Android outsells iOS 5 to 1 (and it most certainly does not, and won't any time soon), how is that an example of Google beating Apple? Apple will still make far more from iOS than Google will be making from Android.

And, more on topic, what does this have to do with Apple being "evil"?

Re:An interesting question. (2)

cocoajunkie (2003028) | more than 3 years ago | (#35395926)

Try upgrading an old Android smartphone to a new version of Android and report experience... Apple is not that evil, they provide systems which actually _WORK_ The upgrade cost of Android is in most cases the cost of a brand new phone.

Re:An interesting question. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35395914)

This may seem similar but not quiet

There's some competition to Apple in laptop segment. Some quiet good hardware is out there that can compete (and sometimes even beat) MB(P) specs but most people don't take into account cost of software. With MacBook (Pro) you're getting OS at it's maximum (and only) configuration for free and can get decent office suite for another $80. With Windows you have to pay $200 for OS version that at least allows you to change your wallpaper and another $500 for office suite. Sure, you can go with Linux but be honest to yourself and say how many grandpas and teenage girls can handle a Linux on their computer?

Now regarding iOS devices.
You can see many Android phones this days. And not many of tham come close to iPhone in terms of user experience. Just recall how many there was phones with rear facing video cameras that could not do video calls. Or how many of Android phones had OS update available during all 2.x series? Most of them just got two minor versions. From the other hand iPhone 3G had all versions available from 2.0 to 4.2.1. iPhone also has much better software ecosystem. At least form consumer point of view.
And there's no need to say anything about iPad. There was no decent competitor to the first one. And now even biggest companies (like Samsung, for example) admit that their products are no competition to the second one.

So it's not honest to say that Apple is overcharging and binding everyone to itself. Or that's just a plain trolling. Apple may seem evil in certain moral or ideological aspects. It may seem to be on the crash course in certain business aspects. But you always vote with your wallet.

PS: it looks like a sad joke that now when so many people are switching from MS products to either Apple or Free Software/Open Source or even online services like Google Docs etc. MS looks like a small puppy under the heavy rain and everyone started to look for the next Big and Evil company.

They already were? (5, Informative)

celeb8 (682138) | more than 3 years ago | (#35395594)

They have been for a long time, along with many others who would love to get to their position in the market. Apple chases profit like all other companies, they just oft have a better UI. The first thing Jobs did when he came back to Apple was axe all the Mac-clones that were being built. The second thing they did was try their best to put all non-Apple Macintosh repair shops out of business, and then open the Apple Stores once they'd done so. They haven't changed business models, they just now have a dominant market position to leverage. Frankly I think they learned a lot of their current tactics from MS, but they've never had everybody's best interests at heart, any more than MS or anyone else did.

Re:They already were? (1)

MrHanky (141717) | more than 3 years ago | (#35395710)

Is the correct answer. The reason why Apple failed competing with Microsoft back in the day is simply that they were more Microsoft than Microsoft. Slightly more incompatible with everyone else, far more locked-in. Much more expensive to upgrade, and more often forced to upgrade.

Re:They already were? (0)

node 3 (115640) | more than 3 years ago | (#35395882)

That's absurd. Neither MS nor Apple succeeded or failed due to "evilness". Consumers didn't think, "Oh my, Apple is so evil. They are even more Microsoft than Microsoft! How awful!"

And they aren't doing so now, in either direction. Unlike what you might find so common in forums like Slashdot, consumers don't tend to think in cartoonish term like good and evil when it comes to consumer products.

What (4, Insightful)

Meneth (872868) | more than 3 years ago | (#35395606)

What do you mean, "turning"? They were never good to begin with. They perhaps turned more evil in 2007 with the release of the iPhone.

Re:What (4, Informative)

DarwinSurvivor (1752106) | more than 3 years ago | (#35395680)

Actually, back in the day Apple was a very NICE company. Their products even came with circuit diagrams and hacking instructions. It was later on that they took on this whole BS "You don't own anything you buy" attitude.

Apple is nicer now than it ever was in the past... (1, Insightful)

Interoperable (1651953) | more than 3 years ago | (#35395836)

to it's shareholders. Which is the only metric that matters.

Apple isn't evil. It's very good at making money. What other criterion is there with which to judge the actions of a company? I don't like the product they sell so I don't buy their stuff. Apparently, however, some people like the walled, Apple taxed, restrictively licensed, closed products that they sell. The fact is, many people don't care that the platform is closed and Apple can take huge sums of money from them. It doesn't make them less nice, just not a company that I want to deal with.

If you think of companies as nice or not nice, good or evil, you will be constantly disappointed. They are judged on profitability. The products that they produce; however, can be judged as good or not good.

Correction (1)

unity100 (970058) | more than 3 years ago | (#35395944)

to it's shareholders. Which is the only metric that matters.

its capitalism. its a bunch of people having NO relevance or affinity to what you are doing, having NO attachment to what you are doing, making money over what you are doing, and demanding you to change how you do things in order to make more money for them. Even if its harmful, self-destructive, or contrary to your ideals or the reality/nature of what you are doing.

Re:What (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35395942)

That lasted until... what... Steve Wozniak's plane crash?

Woz had the hacker mentality. He's the beard while Jobs is the turtleneck. Just look at the difference between their smiles and the amount of smarm presented. One of them loves computers, one of them loves what computers can do.

Re:What (4, Insightful)

node 3 (115640) | more than 3 years ago | (#35395852)

Yes, in the year they released the phone that revolutionized the mobile market that has drawn to date over 100 million willing customers, they became more evil than ever because of this...

This idiotic bullshit of calling Apple (or any other company*) "evil" is one of the things that makes Slashdot seem childish and insignificant. Geeks are the ultimate drama queens.

* There are very few companies one could reasonably argue as being evil, or at least being major proponents of evilness. Monsanto and Halliburton come to mind. But calling Apple "evil" is absurd. Do you even know what the word "evil" means?

Re:What (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35395920)

100 million iPhones sold hardly means 100 million iPhone users. Easily half of them were bought to replace an earlier version.

turning? (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35395622)

Turning? Like they were not?

No no no (1)

Grapplebeam (1892878) | more than 3 years ago | (#35395634)

See, the author of the article is actually a time traveller from the distant past who is just now realizing what the blood sacrifice he made was for.

Mate, this is slashdot (1)

MikShapi (681808) | more than 3 years ago | (#35395640)

If your iWhatever isn't an open platform with all attached Cupertino strings long since severed, your geek license is hereby revoked.

Good title... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35395646)

... crappy article.

Propaganda? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35395648)

Can I have a religion-free device or is that too much to ask for? It's bad enough that the whiteness of my iPod reminds of KKK sheets.

Clearly not a question, but just "YES" (0, Flamebait)

pyalot (1197273) | more than 3 years ago | (#35395652)

The evil IBM empire: chaining you to their OS and mainframe hardware. The PC insurgence: everybody can have cheap hardware. The evil Microsoft empire: chaining you and your apps to their OS. The evil Apple empire: chaining you, 3rd party developers and your content to their OS, hardware and app-store.

Remember remember..
  • The first modern word processor (from apple) was chaining your documents to your macos installation
  • iTunes was DRM only for a long time
  • Apple stomping on jailbreaking and bricking devices
  • The recent rate-hike for app-store apps with services expecting developers to roll over and give 30% of their revenue on services to apple as well
  • Apple stomping on free software in the app store
  • Apple being uncompetitive against certain apps in the app-store
  • The unholy marriage of iTunes, ios devices and the impossibility to offer competing "stores" for ios devices
  • hackintosh
  • recent app-store outrages where apples app-store review process let blatant impostors/rippers resubmit applications of other people

Re:Clearly not a question, but just "YES" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35395750)


Even if you insist on deliberately misrepresenting or misinterpreting the situation with some of your points, do spare us the ones that are flat our lies.

Re:Clearly not a question, but just "YES" (1)

pyalot (1197273) | more than 3 years ago | (#35395774)

Dear sir, you seem to have cought your undergarments in a bunch. Would you please be as kind as to point out what lies these would be?

What's happened to /. (0)

SimonTS (1984074) | more than 3 years ago | (#35395660)

I have recently returned to /. after a 7year or so absence and was just wondering what has happening to the site I used to love so much because it provided genuine, newsworthy, information and discussions.

Since I've been back, it appears that 50% of the articles are posted purely to allow one group of people or the other to post about how much they hate this company or that product, rather than actually providing logical, reasoned information and justification.

I know, who am I to be a judge? My Karma rating on my original account ('Tigger's Pet' 130655) is 'Terrible' - which is why I end up creating a new account so I can actually post more than twice in a 24 hour period - mainly because I've been away for so long and everything I now post automatically attracts a score of '-1', which means that many mods won't even read it, so I can't get it back up - but hey, I'm still entitled to my opinion.

Re:What's happened to /. (1)

Hope Thelps (322083) | more than 3 years ago | (#35395700)

I have recently returned to /. after a 7year or so absence and was just wondering what has happening to the site I used to love so much because it provided genuine, newsworthy, information and discussions.

Bad news: you grew up. Then you got old. Now you're in the delusional nostalgia stage. It's not just Slashdot; the music is crap now too and the politicians don't really stand for anything and we've lost the sense of neighborhood we once had.

Re:What's happened to /. (1)

aaron552 (1621603) | more than 3 years ago | (#35395760)

so... I'm old at 21; and the world is run by teenagers? That explains a lot.

Re:What's happened to /. (1)

Hope Thelps (322083) | more than 3 years ago | (#35395796)

Yep, you can get old at any age.

If you're going back to websites that you left (presumably because you didn't like them enough to stay around, at least comparatively to other activities) and telling everyone that they're not great like you remember them (again, even though you left the supposed greatness) then you've got old prematurely. Maybe it's reversible. I'm hoping to stay young past 100.

Re:What's happened to /. (1)

SimonTS (1984074) | more than 3 years ago | (#35395880)

I didn't leave /. through choice. I've been 'away' for those years and have now returned. I don't think I got old, although I may well have changed I guess.

I guess nothing interesting is going on in tech... (4, Insightful)

noobermin (1950642) | more than 3 years ago | (#35395662)

...so shit gets selected for the front page. Sigh...

The problem with Evil (1)

bl8n8r (649187) | more than 3 years ago | (#35395668)

The problem is people generally don't think things have gotten Evil until there is some sort of large-scale crisis.

WTF is John Naughton? (1)

bazorg (911295) | more than 3 years ago | (#35395690)

Who is this guy/bot/troll?

Re:WTF is John Naughton? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35395724)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Naughton [wikipedia.org]

What's important here is not the content but the context. Naughton writes for the Observer newspaper in the UK (which I think is where this unlinked article comes from -- get with it, samzenpus). Nothing here is news for /.ers, except to track how the mainstream awareness of Apple is changing.

Turning evil? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35395704)

They've been all the time. What else would you expect from a company whose handhelds looks like Darth Vader's dildo?

Reap The Whirlwind (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35395736)

Apple is the new New Labour. Steve Jobs is the new Gordon Brown. iTunes is the new reliance on banking. The list goes on. Apple has abandoned the ordinary guy so badly they're making Microsoft look good just like New Labour made the Tories look good. Is Apple such a unique snowflake it thinks it can escape reaping the whirlwind of customer vengeance like New Labour took a pasting at the polls?

Apple have a chance to stop being control freaks, sell OS X to the generic PC owner, bring back X Serve, lower their prices, and be useful to the little guy. It's not too late if they do a u-turn now but if they carry on under the autistic decaying leadership of Steve Jobs that won't happen. Steve was a great visionary as far as he went but the world's changed and Steve hasn't. Deep down he probably knows this is true but like Gordon Brown is too proud and out of touch to admit it.

Go Steve. Go now. Let Apple return to its roots. Do it for the people.

real evil empire stealing all the apples? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35395748)

did jesus have a position on armed aggression/deception/mindphuking? it must be in there because that's what we do. that's right. everybody's got to get 'born again'. what? no t(h)anks? no problem. just sign here, you'll be a (master)(race) card carrying believer, & we'll 'give' you enough ordinance to 'convert' your population to whatever we want them to be, including gone/dust. it says right in the book that's a valid option when challenged. other manuals suggest many obviously more effective solutions.

mynuts won; /.censorship with a smirk/vandalism (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35395870)

we're holding up ok rob. thanks for being whatever that is you've become? it's all about forgiveness rob, not money, fauxking advertisers, gnu online dating, clicks, goo-goo, none of that stuff. see you at one of the million baby play-dates?

Is control evil? (0)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | more than 3 years ago | (#35395848)

What Apple sells partially is a designed experience. A desgined experience is when something you do has been considered by someone else about how it makes you work.

Buy a HD from a computer store and it is an experience (everything you do is) but nobody has given it a second of thought how getting the HD in a piece of plastic made you feel. The wrapping is functional, nothing else. Yet, you still probably feel something. Some excitement about getting a new HD to store your porn... eh japanese girl group... eh American Chopper ... not really any better is it.

When I bought a Drobo file server recently, the inside of the box was painted black. The wrapping was had a cloth feel to it and was black. SOMEBODY had chosen to do this. They had not just picked a box to hold the contents and printed what is inside on the outside, they had thought about what I would see when I opened the box and what it would make me feel.

Apple takes this a level further. All their boxes are clearly designed for far more then just holding their contents. Considering they are one of the biggest if not the biggest PC makers despite (or because of) not doing Windows, clearly people like it.

But creating a designed experience, where you control/dictate what the user feels, requires... control! HD makers have little choice in how people experience their product. It might be shipped from the shop in a box. I might get it from the store in just a wrapper. If I buy in bulk it might come in its original bulk packaging. Apple doesn't want that. It 'dictates' that you buy items in their box displayed in a certain way. It helps sell the quality/expensive hardware compared to the cheap crap because... well everything about its presentation shows it clearly must be better. (Lets not start one of those boring conversations about how your core2duo dell is cheaper then a quad sandy bridge macbook)

Controlling the users experience is about control. Obvious but people often fail to see just how far this goes. Take an amusement park ride. You sit "freely" in this cart being pulled along and things happen all around you. But they are controlled by the position of the cart and the cart determines your experience. I have been in "rides" where you walk and then controlling the action is far harder. An animatronic might fire behind or in front of me, I might even miss it, because the director can't control where I am and where I am looking. One ride has a bullet impacting the water a ride boat is floating on. Not nearly as effective if the boat is 10 meters away from it then when it happens right next to you. Control for an experience.

Why do you think Microsoft and for that matter most desktop makers worry so much about the startup sound. The sound creates an experience, a mood if you like, of what you are about to experience. It is typically a bright sound but not very musical that says "lets do stuff" without offending to much. Ubuntu goes furthest with its seemingly African inspired sound but it is hardly a tribal tune. Only the most extreme redneck could object (but no doubt would).

For Apple, creating this experience has worked well and Steve Jobs seems to believe that is essential and what people want. This is up for debate, do they buy apple purely for usability or because of the experience.

To show there is no clear answer, take sugar. You know, the stuff you put in your coffee. My supermarket has at least three brands of white refined beet sugar. There can be no variance in it except granular size because it is from the same factory and the law says exactly what can and cannot be in it. There is no b-grade sugar.

Yet, people buy the more expensive brands because... not the taste, not health reasons, not biologically grown... pure a different package. Experience, packaging, how it is sold. Matters.

Is the iPod and iTunes about a good music player and efficient and cheap music service or about giving the user an experience they like on an emotional level? Yes. The early iPods especially were inferior models unable to play many common music formats and iTunes is a dog for transferring music. But it is also smooth for buying music and dealing with CD's. It created an experience different from exisiting players in giving them a smoother if less varied path to using the player and the music service.

By controlling the whole stream, Apple sold a better experience and outdid all its rivals.

But if you dare to ask for more, then the control will bite you. See the problems with using alternative music services or getting it to play other music formats etc etc. It ain't all about lock-in. Just that like a amusement ride, the experience only works if you are inside the cart and if the experience is to be intense then you cannot be allowed out.

People who complain are often a bit silly. Do you complain you are put in restraints that would be illegal to use on a criminal when you board a roller coaster? No, you trade your freedom for an experience.

Of course, you are allowed out of the rollercoaster at the end of the ride. You can leave the park anytime you want. An iPhone is for life. You cannot get out (well you can, but you don't want to).

Apple is EVIL:

1. If they can extend their control to you when you have not chosen or no longer have an alternative

2. Refuse to release you when you want to.

So, is Apple evil? Hard on its way. The problem is with its publishing power. What happens if iTunes becomes the only music retailer and can't be avoided anymore. If Apple gets to decide what you can and cannot publish as music commercially? There is a risk, it has happened to radio, TV and the printed press before. Where the mega-corps controlling the media become so big that there is no competition possible anymore.

Point 2? Apple does not refuse you to stop using your iPhone. You can throw it out anytime you want. But because people want their precious, point 1 becomes all the more likely.

We give Apple the power to control and if we continue to allow this, there might not be a way back. It is said that for Evil to triumph all that is needed is for good men to do nothing. If we don't make sure Apple doesn't control us, then it will.

MS did it before and IBM before them. So control can be broken out of but it will be harder every time. For those of us running Linux (I am right now Windows free) it turns out that breaking free of the evil of MS control (note that I am not saying MS is evil, its control is) wasn't all that hard after all. It mostly involved giving up the precious and realizing that NOT only is Open(Libre) Office good enough, abiword is. In fact to be honest, for my my text needs, vim is enough.

Apples control comes from us giving it the power to control. If everyone stopped buying iPhones, Apple would be done for. But this does not mean it is less dangerous, less Evil. But it is the Evil of cancer or hunger. Not the Evil of mere human beings. It is when we surrender the freedom to choose in the long term for short term pleasures.

It is one thing to go to an amusement park for a day, another to sign over your life to Disney.

can't become what you are (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35395896)

They've been evil for years, though they achieved Empire status only recently.

Vote with your wallet (1)

Relyx (52619) | more than 3 years ago | (#35395910)

I just don't understand the wrath against Apple. They make products that millions of people love. They are making money hand over fist. If you don't like it, don't buy it. What's so difficult about that?

The "evil" is closed systems (1)

petes_PoV (912422) | more than 3 years ago | (#35395918)

The previous generation learned this with IBM in the 60's and 70's. It took a *lot* to turn that problem around. We had a brief spell of "freedom" when IBM forgot to design in some sort of proprietary lock for the PC (to be fair, they never foresaw the possibility of internetworked machines that could distribute software for free).

Now the next generation of computing users/makers has forgotten all the lessons of the past and is embracing closed systems, centralised control and restrictive practices as if they were new, novel and somehow beneficial for them.

Insert aphorism of your choice about failing to learn from the mistakes of others.

Obligatory (1, Funny)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 3 years ago | (#35395930)

Q: What's the difference between the Pope and Steve Jobs?

A: One of them has a load of sexually deviant followers who obey his every word without question. The other wears a funny hat and lives in Rome.

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