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Nokia Sells Qt

CmdrTaco posted more than 3 years ago | from the yeah-who-needs-it dept.

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Google85 writes "Now that Nokia has shifted to a Windows Phone-centric smartphone strategy, it's only natural for the company to divest itself of responsibility with regard to the Qt framework. It has been announced Digia will acquire the Qt commercial licensing and services business from Nokia, including the transfer of some 3,500 desktop and embedded customers actively using Qt today."

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So much for plan B... (4, Insightful)

houstonbofh (602064) | more than 3 years ago | (#35404652)

I guess they are really going "all in" on Windows mobile. Kinda risky making your entire company totally dependent on a single outside vendor with a track record for not caring about partners.

Re:So much for plan B... (1, Troll)

Samantha Wright (1324923) | more than 3 years ago | (#35404684)

I'm more concerned about the trolling that will result. How long before we see this cited in claims that there are no more than 3500 KDE users? ;)

Re:So much for plan B... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35405412)

But I'm a KDE user you insensitive clod!

Re:So much for plan B... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35405564)

3,500 KDE users is exaggerating a bit. :p

Re:So much for plan B... (1)

Tanktalus (794810) | more than 3 years ago | (#35405892)

All 350 of us have 10 desktops apiece. That's easily 3500 users. One is for regular day-to-day use, one is for running my webbrowser in a clean state to reduce tracking, while the other 8 are for testing hangs, crashes, and other bugs, with clean .kde directories.

(I keed... I love my KDE SC 4.6.1 environment. And my wife and four-year-old daughter don't mind 4.5.5 on their machine.)

Re:So much for plan B... (3, Interesting)

jonbryce (703250) | more than 3 years ago | (#35406364)

QT's customers are developers who licence QT commercial edition, not end users. This includes companies such as Opera and Google who's products are used by millions of people.

But I'm sure you knew that already.

Re:So much for plan B... (1)

Samantha Wright (1324923) | more than 3 years ago | (#35407146)

Yes. But we should not let that get in the way of good trolling. For future reference, the correct response to any trolling is "Why do you feel that Python is so bad? What do you find wrong with it?"

Re:So much for plan B... (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35404736)

One of capitalism's many problems is that corporations are run by capitalistic humans, and such humans concern themselves by definition with rational self-interest.

The huge bonus from completing a deal which is extremely risky in the long term ('sup banking crisis?) mean that any fallout will be of no consequence to those responsible for completing the deal.

It doesn't matter that history has shown over and over that Microsoft are consistent and excellent at assassinating their bedfellows. All that matters is the temporary boost that will make a few people rich enough to enjoy a dozen good retirements.

Re:So much for plan B... (2)

recoiledsnake (879048) | more than 3 years ago | (#35405152)

And the path that they were taking earlier was going to be super successful right? They failed bigtime at Meego with multiyear delays and instead of slipping into irrelevance are making a good try.

> It doesn't matter that history has shown over and over that Microsoft are consistent and excellent at assassinating their bedfellows

Like HP, Dell, Asus, Acer, Sony ? Even in the software space, they have "assassinated" companies by making better software(if they don't they fail, see Microsoft Money vs. Quicken), not banning them like Apple does on their 'Post-PC' iDevices.

Re:So much for plan B... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35405650)

And the path that they were taking earlier was going to be super successful right?

Why do you trolls have to phrase it as an either/or situation? Windows Phone 7 is a flop [computerworld.com] and Nokia hitched their wagon to it. There were other options. [msn.com]

Like HP, Dell, Asus, Acer, Sony ?

Yeah, their Windows lap dogs are doing reasonably well fighting over the scraps.

Re:So much for plan B... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35405928)

You could say they failed big time with linux, but this is pure bollocks: "failed bigtime at Meego with multiyear delays".

Multi-year? MeeGo was announced less than a year before Nokia dropped out.

Re:So much for plan B... (2)

SJ (13711) | more than 3 years ago | (#35406010)

ahem.... PlaysForSure?

Re:So much for plan B... (1)

extraordinaire (2010224) | more than 3 years ago | (#35406472)

One of capitalism's many problems is that corporations are run by capitalistic humans, and such humans concern themselves by definition with rational self-interest.

That's not the problem, my dear, it's the point of it all ('sup USSR?).

Re:So much for plan B... (3, Insightful)

Stumbles (602007) | more than 3 years ago | (#35404750)

Sounds like another Novell/SCO is in the works 5 years down the line with Digia taking over the SCOfud. SCO tried to make great hay that no one sells a business without copyrights. Unsurprisingly, this proves SCO to BE WRONG.

Re:So much for plan B... (2, Insightful)

erroneus (253617) | more than 3 years ago | (#35404912)

It's way too predictable. The person in charge of Nokia has a LOT of Microsoft stock and no Nokia stock, or so I've read. It was this that upset Nokia employees the most -- it was clear from the beginning where this person's interests would lie. And so now it is all coming to pass.

And it's not like Microsoft's previous dealings with phone makers were resulted in anything better. I seem to recall a story from years ago when Microsoft was initially trying to get a phone making partner to work with them -- all (including and especially Nokia) refused Microsoft with the exception of a company called "Orange" who thought they had a really good deal. Turned out that Microsoft created a deal with them that said if they missed certain deadlines, that everything they worked on "belonged to Microsoft" or something like that.... and it didn't matter if Microsoft was the reason for the missed deadlines which was reportedly the case. Microsoft essentially foreclosed on the Orange deal and collected all the IP from the project leaving Orange holding the bag.

A quick Google search shows that Orange and Microsoft are still dealing with one another... sad that they didn't learn their lesson... and that fewer are learning from history.

Re:So much for plan B... (1)

juasko (1720212) | more than 3 years ago | (#35404986)

He was a former MS boss, yeah so he had stocks... But I'm told he's selling them of as rapid he allowed. According to news he's stock exchange was stopped due to the fact that he sold too much in too short time affecting the overall price.

So we'll se the saga continues.

Re:So much for plan B... (5, Informative)

Gubbe (705219) | more than 3 years ago | (#35405078)

Elop already sold [reuters.com] all MS stock and bought 150K Nokia stock on 17th of February.

Re:So much for plan B... (1)

grapeape (137008) | more than 3 years ago | (#35405270)

Shame on you trying to sully a perfectly good conspiracy theory with facts...this is /. you should know better.

Re:So much for plan B... (3, Funny)

ThePhilips (752041) | more than 3 years ago | (#35406136)

The fact just reinforces another conspiracy theory: Nokia is poised to fail and MS is going to buy it for the pennies.

Why else Elop would invest into stock of the failing company?

P.S. For every fact, one can always find even more twisted conspiracy theory. ;)

Re:So much for plan B... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35407036)

AFTER he boosted Microsoft into 3rd place in the mobile market from nowhere and sent their share price up, he sold his MS shares... and with the same action he tanked Nokia shares... and then bought those.

You're right... no fucking conspiracy at all.

Re:So much for plan B... (2)

recoiledsnake (879048) | more than 3 years ago | (#35405192)

Why do you think the board hired him in the first place in place of the local talent and VPs ? They obviously knew by that time that Meego was a failed project and they had to go in the new direction. They probably decided by then that WP7 or Android was the way to go and hired the new boss accordingly.

Re:So much for plan B... (1)

gtall (79522) | more than 3 years ago | (#35406988)

Gee, hire MS drone, big surprise when he decides to "standardize" on MS software. Who could have predicted that?

Re:So much for plan B... (1)

Wizzu (30521) | more than 3 years ago | (#35406814)

It's way too predictable. The person in charge of Nokia has a LOT of Microsoft stock and no Nokia stock, or so I've read.

Not true anymore, MS stock sold and Nokia stock purchased. What's more, doing so before the partnership announcement might have been illegal due to inside knowledge trading laws.

It might still be predictable, sure.

Re:So much for plan B... (1)

juasko (1720212) | more than 3 years ago | (#35404968)

Or they're giving themselves a backdoor. I assume that further development on Qt was kinda banned by MS. But now spinning it of it can continue on it's own.

Re:So much for plan B... (3, Insightful)

1s44c (552956) | more than 3 years ago | (#35405002)

I guess they are really going "all in" on Windows mobile. Kinda risky making your entire company totally dependent on a single outside vendor with a track record for not caring about partners.

'Kinda risky' is putting it mildly. Watching Nokia is like watching an alcoholic drinking themselves to death. It's tragic.

Re:So much for plan B... (4, Insightful)

DrXym (126579) | more than 3 years ago | (#35405242)

'Kinda risky' is putting it mildly. Watching Nokia is like watching an alcoholic drinking themselves to death. It's tragic.

I doubt it's death, so much as transformation. Before the announcement Nokia was an innovator producing distinct hardware & software. After the announcement they become one of Microsoft's bitches pumping out handsets which are substantially similar to the likes coming out from LG / Samsung / HTC. Perhaps it's cheaper to do, but at the end of the day Nokia's brand will be severely tarnished.

It's also worth noting that Nokia is the only manufacturer to bet the farm on a single phone OS vendor. LG, Samsung and HTC all have their fingers in many pies (e.g. WP7, Android, Bada, Brew). It seems like a good way to hedge if the WP7 ship sinks which is entirely possible.

Re:So much for plan B... (2)

1s44c (552956) | more than 3 years ago | (#35405318)

'Kinda risky' is putting it mildly. Watching Nokia is like watching an alcoholic drinking themselves to death. It's tragic.

I doubt it's death, so much as transformation. Before the announcement Nokia was an innovator producing distinct hardware & software. After the announcement they become one of Microsoft's bitches pumping out handsets which are substantially similar to the likes coming out from LG / Samsung / HTC. Perhaps it's cheaper to do, but at the end of the day Nokia's brand will be severely tarnished.

It's also worth noting that Nokia is the only manufacturer to bet the farm on a single phone OS vendor. LG, Samsung and HTC all have their fingers in many pies (e.g. WP7, Android, Bada, Brew). It seems like a good way to hedge if the WP7 ship sinks which is entirely possible.

It's death of Nokia as a respected brand, sooner or later it will be death of Nokia entirely.

Re:So much for plan B... (2, Interesting)

Giometrix (932993) | more than 3 years ago | (#35405624)

'Kinda risky' is putting it mildly. Watching Nokia is like watching an alcoholic drinking themselves to death. It's tragic.

I doubt it's death, so much as transformation. Before the announcement Nokia was an innovator producing distinct hardware & software. After the announcement they become one of Microsoft's bitches pumping out handsets which are substantially similar to the likes coming out from LG / Samsung / HTC. Perhaps it's cheaper to do, but at the end of the day Nokia's brand will be severely tarnished.

It's also worth noting that Nokia is the only manufacturer to bet the farm on a single phone OS vendor. LG, Samsung and HTC all have their fingers in many pies (e.g. WP7, Android, Bada, Brew). It seems like a good way to hedge if the WP7 ship sinks which is entirely possible.

It's death of Nokia as a respected brand, sooner or later it will be death of Nokia entirely.

I'll argue that Nokia was already on it's death bed (as a respected brand), they were completely missing in the smart phone market, which is the market you need to be in if you want to be a respected cell phone manufacturer brand. Yes, they were working on neat products, but it seemed that they were quite a bit away from shipping (and being new, they carried a lot of risk as well).

I think that Nokia was forced to going third party, where the choices are Android and WP7. think going with WP7 was a good idea. It's a shipped product that looks pretty slick and is well reviewed. Yes, it's not exclusive to Nokia, but it's not too popular compared to Android, so I think it will still give the Nokia phones a more exclusive feel as when compared to Android. That, and they got a ton of cash for choosing WP7, which they will hopefully use to develop neat hardware.

Re:So much for plan B... (1)

DrXym (126579) | more than 3 years ago | (#35405946)

I'll argue that Nokia was already on it's death bed (as a respected brand), they were completely missing in the smart phone market, which is the market you need to be in if you want to be a respected cell phone manufacturer brand. Yes, they were working on neat products, but it seemed that they were quite a bit away from shipping (and being new, they carried a lot of risk as well).

Nokia did have smart phone offerings such as the C7. The C7 has been praised for its hardware and the software is tolerable but most reviews suggest Symbian is just poor by comparison to iOS or Android.

I really don't understand why they didn't just dump Symbian for Android. They could have skinned it to look like Symbian, maybe even include a Symbian / QT runtime so apps still work, and integrate Ovi in there too. Then they'd have a modern smart phone with legacy support and they'd be back in the game while still being masters of their own destiny. By shutting down most of their R&D and sucking Microsoft's cock they just become another generic phone OEM.

Re:So much for plan B... (3, Interesting)

Eunuchswear (210685) | more than 3 years ago | (#35407182)

I really don't understand why they didn't just dump Symbian for Android. They could have skinned it to look like Symbian

WTF!

The good bit of Symbian - uses orders of magnitude less resources that the competition.

The bad bit - the UI from hell.

And you suggest putting a Symbian UI on Android?

Like I said, WTF.

(Check out SBP mobile shell for Symbian to see what could have been done if Nokia weren't totally fucked up. Look at it running on a low-end piece of junk like the 5320 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZtKTOTus7s [youtube.com] ).

Re:So much for plan B... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35407114)

That, and they got a ton of cash for choosing WP7, which they will hopefully use to develop neat hardware.

WTF are you talking about ? They're not getting any cash : http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/15/debunk-elop-never-said-microsoft-is-paying-nokia-billions-of-do/

Re:So much for plan B... (1)

sortius_nod (1080919) | more than 3 years ago | (#35406444)

Sorry, I have to call bullshit here.

Nokia died as a reputable brand when they kept trying to sell their pieces of junk as smartphones. They wanted in on the iPhone market but really couldn't bring anything other than rehashes of a dumbphone with browsers.

I really think Nokia made a terrible decision throwing everything behind WP7. As was stated by GGP, Nokia has cirrhosis and still visits the pub every night.

Re:So much for plan B... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35405030)

Microsoft does not have a track record for not caring about it's partners. Maybe you have sour grapes of the direction some partnerships took but that's a far cry from not caring.

Re:So much for plan B... (1)

pipatron (966506) | more than 3 years ago | (#35405136)

So you mean that a company can actually have feelings now?

Re:So much for plan B... (5, Informative)

JabberWokky (19442) | more than 3 years ago | (#35405464)

Well, Nokia still owns Qt... Digia is only handling the commercial software licensing and professional services for Qt. Basically, Digia are licensed to sell the product, but Nokia still owns and develops it in-house.

Not exactly going "all in".

Re:So much for plan B... (1)

fwarren (579763) | more than 3 years ago | (#35405588)

Remember, there CEO is a softie, and due to the nature of the laws over there, is not able to own any sizable amount of stock in the company. All of his stock is in Microsoft. I think it is reasonable to say if WM7 fails, Microsoft stock will take a hit. Right now all of is value and worth is in Microsoft stock. Plus he has drank the MS tainted kool-aid for years. Any technology not created in Redmond is NOT good technology....unless Microsoft can buy it.

As a good general rule of thumb. You should not have a CEO who will personally profit if another company success is far more important to them than the company they are running.

Re:So much for plan B... (1)

Wizzu (30521) | more than 3 years ago | (#35406920)

I posted about this above, but I guess I'll repeat:
As far as I know, he's now sold all MS stock and has invested in some Nokia stock.

The information was in the local news, though obviously it didn't make as big headlines as the original "controversy".

Re:So much for plan B... (1)

andydread (758754) | more than 3 years ago | (#35406126)

Elop, Nokia's new CEO is an x-Microsoft executive. So this is no surprise. He left Microsoft to headup Nokia. And while at Microsoft Elop was President of the Business Division. So this is no surprise here at all. Not to mention he just sold all his MS stocks i guess to appease critics. http://www.betanews.com/joewilcox/article/Microsofts-Stephen-Elop-moves-to-Nokia-what-a-waste/1284136468 [betanews.com]

Re:So much for plan B... (1)

Shadowmist (57488) | more than 3 years ago | (#35406284)

They had to.... the writing on the wall was clear for the future of Symbion.... a dead end with no future compared to an operating system that hosts the potential for open-ended application acquisition. In this case it was the marriage of two partners that were desperate for complementary ends. Microsoft needed a hardware vendor that would give it's Mobile platform a renewed reason for existence. And Nokia was left to choose between Google and Microsoft. (remember that while Android may be "free", it's a revenue stream for Google in terms of the Android Store) And apparantly the folks from Redmond were the more aggressive suitor.

Re:So much for plan B... (1)

Locutus (9039) | more than 3 years ago | (#35406652)

this is a former Microsoft exec, now CEO of Nokia, handing Nokia over to Microsoft as a phone asset. If you don't think so, read his speech of the deal and specifically the part on why Google was not an option. The stuff about Google being a threat to them was 100% Microsoft type fear and should have had nothing to do with Nokia.

I'm happy to see they are not killing it outright but time will tell if the new owner isn't also a Microsoft "friend" and pulls the plug or does something effectively the same, ie moving the IDE into MS Visual Studio.

LoB

They sort of had to (5, Informative)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 3 years ago | (#35404668)

... while they still could. There was a "poison pill" [nokia.com] in the QT acquisition

(For those of you who don’t know what it is, the KDE Free Qt Foundation is what we call a “poison pill” for Trolltech: should we ever stop releasing open source versions of Qt, the foundation is given the right to unilaterally release the last version of Qt under the BSD license.

So, why not get some $$$ while you can, right?

Re:They sort of didn't have to (2)

segedunum (883035) | more than 3 years ago | (#35404766)

Well, they didn't. They new about this arrangement when they bought Trolltech and I'd hardly call it a 'poison pill'. For all the work and testing that open source developers put into Qt it was always there to ensure that Trolltech played fair whilst still keeping their ability to create separately licensed versions on the commercial side. The arrangement has always worked very well.

I have no idea what Nokia expected to do with Qt to be honest.

Re:They sort of didn't have to (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35404932)

I have no idea what Nokia expected to do with Qt to be honest.

TrollTech was making good inroads into the embedded market when Nokia bought it. I think the platform was called "Qtopia" which was basically a Linux kernel with Qt providing the GUI on top of the framebuffer (No X11). You need to remember that Qt isn't just a portable GUI toolkit, it's a full GUI engine capable of building a custom interface, not merely hooking and displaying the platform's native one (like, say, wxWidgets).

At the time of acquistion, it made sense as Nokia was moving towards a Linux based stack on their phones before Android came around. They were using GTK+ (which sucks) but moved to build a more integrated solution around Qt instead. Acquiring TrollTech was never really necessary, merely securing a licence to allow Nokia's 3rd party phone developers to release their software (for phones only) without royalties would be enough but it made sense. Nokia has merely pissed away their long term strategy so selling Qt (since it no longer fits in the plan) is good for everyone, at least it won't sink with the mothership if Nokia does.

Re:They sort of had to (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 3 years ago | (#35404814)

What Does Poison Pill Mean?

A defensive strategy used by a corporation to discourage a hostile takeover by another company. Poison pills are used to make the target company less attractive to the acquirer. There are two types of poison pills: (1) A flip-in allows existing shareholders (except the acquirer) to buy more shares at a discount. (2) A flip-over allows stockholders to buy the acquirer's shares at a discounted price after the merger.

So definitely not a poison pill

Re:They sort of had to (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35405158)

So definitely not a poison pill

Well it is actually still sort of a poison pill, except for preventing takeover of open source software rather than preventing takeover of corporations. I suppose it might be termed a "herpes pill" since its purpose is to ensure you always have open sores.

Re:They sort of had to (1)

S.O.B. (136083) | more than 3 years ago | (#35405342)

That was the definition when the concept was first created but it has been used in many other ways since.

Now it is more generally a clause in a contract or agreement that ensures a particular behaviour or outcome by outlining the penalty if that condition is not satisfied.

So in this case it is a poison pill.

Re:They sort of had to (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35405728)

Now it is more generally a clause in a contract or agreement that ensures a particular behaviour or outcome by outlining the penalty if that condition is not satisfied.

So in this case it is a poison pill.

Contracts are nothing but conditions specifying particular behaviors and outlining the penalties for breaches. Are all contracts poison pills, then?

Re:They sort of had to (2)

Verdatum (1257828) | more than 3 years ago | (#35405826)

I wish all the people arguing about whether or not this constitutes a "poison pill" would just take the "red pill" and get out of my Matrix!

Re:They sort of had to (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35404816)

It's not as if they could actually BSD the whole thing...they have been accepting patches without license attribution for a while now. This means Qt will stay LGPL as a whole (since, as we now, *gpl is infectious). They can only BSD the parts trolltech/nokia wrote.

Re:They sort of had to (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35405704)

But yet they're allowed to sell commercial licenses, even LGPL must remain LGPL, that would suggest that the submitted patches don't make it into the commercial edition.

Consider that if that weren't the case, there would be no need for a poison pill, as it would be built in.

gnats outscoring humans on attention span (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35404702)

used to be the other way around, I think? interesting, more&more fits into less&less space?

Digia (2)

apodyopsis (1048476) | more than 3 years ago | (#35404756)

I assume Digia are after commercial licensing fees, service agreements and support contracts for Qt and will attempt to build up the user base.

Kinda sad to see Nokia vanish into a death spiral though. I really cannot see Windows based smart phones gaining traction against iPhone/Android unless they are really something special or are heavily discounted. I find the whole business tactic fairly incomprehensible to be honest, but I am assuming other people know more than me here.

Given Nokia's position what else could they have done to preserve the market share? Any Ideas?

Re:Digia (1)

i-linux123 (2003962) | more than 3 years ago | (#35404828)

"Given Nokia's position what else could they have done to preserve the market share? Any Ideas?" Assign more developers and resource so MeeGo. It seems they lost faith in MeeGo, or are strategically moving away from Linux. Ironically, the move caused the consumers to lose faith in Nokia.

Re:Digia (1)

segedunum (883035) | more than 3 years ago | (#35405006)

They should have done what Google did - get a solid, working Linux phone OS built with a way of attracting developers and building apps. They had all the ingredients.

Re:Digia (1)

a_n_d_e_r_s (136412) | more than 3 years ago | (#35405138)

They did that. It's called the N900.

But early in they then dumped the linux distro called Maemo they had put on the N900 and merged it with Intels Moblin
and that kinda stopped developers to make apps for the N900.

So they mishandled it and didn't had a long term plan for it.

Re:Digia (1)

ErroneousBee (611028) | more than 3 years ago | (#35405376)

Yup, my finger was over the buy button when I switched tabs and saw Maemo was being merged and discontinued.

Re:Digia (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35405846)

They should have done what Google did - get a solid, working Linux phone OS built with a way of attracting developers and building apps. They had all the ingredients.

I was going to say "cue the N900 Persecution Complex* responses", but it looks like one of their numbers already lunged at the opportunity. Damn, they're fast.

*: In effect, our generation's Amiga Persecution Complex.

Re:Digia (1)

recoiledsnake (879048) | more than 3 years ago | (#35405206)

>Assign more developers and resource so MeeGo.

Yes, adding more resources to a project makes it go faster and smoother. /sarcasm

Re:Digia (2)

Asic Eng (193332) | more than 3 years ago | (#35405322)

Randomly assigning more people doesn't help, I agree. However they could have assigned some engineers to code a new email client, maybe just clone the one for Android. The poor quality and clumsy interface of their email client caused complaints about Nokia smartphones for a long time - both on Symbian and Maemo. Email was a very important functionality for their customers, so they should have fixed that long ago.

Re:Digia (1)

i-linux123 (2003962) | more than 3 years ago | (#35405568)

Even their Mail for Exchange was dead on arrival for most people, only those with dedicated Exchange 2000 and 2003 servers were able to use it, mine still doesn't sync all the time with 2007. The developer of it said "Blame me plz" (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35136) in 2009, what has happened since them? Absolutely nothing, and there's no trace of such a thing for MeeGo. Office suites would have also been great. They dedicated some resources to porting KOffice, and it was a half-assed attempt. I suspect they did this intentionally, though, so people would still buy their E-series business-class devices. The N-series is a multimedia device (Not that us consumers would care).

Meego (2)

cederlov (1905654) | more than 3 years ago | (#35404770)

Another nail in the coffin for Meego. At least from Nokias side. Lets hope Intel can carry the burden alone...

Re:Meego (1)

i-linux123 (2003962) | more than 3 years ago | (#35404898)

Surely they can. Only, they're more focused on tablets. I believe we the users are most interested in the power of the mobiles in our pockets. My concern is, what phones are we going to install MeeGo on? Because of Nokia's move, this probably means their phones will be locked to WinMo, and Apple is hopeless when it comes to unlocking anything. Those rare mobile devices that allow for installation of other OSes might become much saught after, but that's probably a niche. Supporting Android and hoping that Intel will somehow manage to get MeeGo onto phones, is our best bet for a bright future with pocket computers.

Re:Meego (2)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 3 years ago | (#35404972)

Surely they can. Only, they're more focused on tablets. I believe we the users are most interested in the power of the mobiles in our pockets.

I'm personally concerned with having the same OS on handheld, tablet, and desktop. I don't want to maintain multiple software ecosystems.

Re:Meego (1)

gbjbaanb (229885) | more than 3 years ago | (#35405166)

you're quite right - unfortunately Nokia appears to think that the single ecosystem should be .NET. If only consumers thought so too they'd be onto a winning strategy :)

Re:Meego (1)

i-linux123 (2003962) | more than 3 years ago | (#35405184)

Well, Microsoft doesn't give you any choice of support any other platforms anyway so I can understand why that could be a concern. I'm trying to view the direction we're heading it. Android is coming up fast, and MeeGo just fits well into my utopian vision.

Re:Meego (1)

npsimons (32752) | more than 3 years ago | (#35405690)

I'm personally concerned with having the same OS on handheld, tablet, and desktop. I don't want to maintain multiple software ecosystems.

Then you should have loved Maemo. It was pretty much Debian. While I haven't seen a Debian tablet yet, I do know that Debian Works For Me very well on my laptop, servers and smartphone, so that's two out of three.

Re:Meego (1)

ChunderDownunder (709234) | more than 3 years ago | (#35407148)

with the convergence of ios and osx and android 3.0 for tablets, the future is largely 'single ecosystem'.
Unfortunately for intel i can't see meego gaining much traction against those 2.
A 3rd player needs a mini-Apple zeal in producing a focussed product delivery. HP? Their roadmap for webos looks promising and unlike nokia have concrete timeframes.
Solution? Partner hp-intel. Webos dumps qualcomm and directfb for wayland and a powervr based soc like omap4. Powervr is also embedded in atom! So both companies benefit if said gpu gets the full freedesktop makeover. It's a chip earmarked by the fsf for fully open drivers.
Webos gets Qt support (exiled devs from Nokia!) and upscaling to desktops running x86 chips from intel.
Palm has a shipping n900 successor with a touchscreen ui where nokia's Qt efforts tanked. HP just need to assist in integrating legacy Gtk+ maemo apps, which if they use wayland becomes a piece of cake! the n900/palm pre ecosystems joining forces becomes a reality. Using omap even might woo a few beagleboarders.

Re:Meego (1)

juasko (1720212) | more than 3 years ago | (#35405068)

Only now with nokia away megoo can fly!

Nokia did not sell Qt (5, Informative)

rminsk (831757) | more than 3 years ago | (#35404786)

Nokia did not sell Qt to Digia. They sold the Qt commercial license business to Digia. Digia will now sell Qt licenses to companies like Adobe or Google who want to make closed-source modifications to Qt. Development of Qt itself will remain inside Nokia. Nokia will continue to develop Qt.

Re:Nokia did not sell Qt (1)

SpinyNorman (33776) | more than 3 years ago | (#35405084)

Yes, it sounds as if the bulk of Qt development will continue to be done at Nokia, but (other that having the Qt devs on their payroll) Nokia is now really in the same position as anyone else who chooses to continue to develop Qt under the LGPL... It seems they've sold the only piece that had any exclusivity to it - i.e. all that they really could sell having LGPL'd it.

Re:Nokia did not sell Qt (5, Insightful)

jrumney (197329) | more than 3 years ago | (#35405246)

So let me get this straight. They're no longer making phones that will use Qt. They no longer have a financial interest in other companies adopting Qt for use in closed source products. They are still letting their developers work on Qt on company time. Exactly how long do you think they are going to maintain this state of affairs, given the time that elapsed between the announcement of the adoption of Windows Phone 7 ("but don't worry, we're not abandoning Qt") and this announcement?

Re:Nokia did not sell Qt (2)

oji-sama (1151023) | more than 3 years ago | (#35406446)

Well... If I've understood correctly, they are going to be making phones that use QT for at least 2 years anyway?

Re:Nokia did not sell Qt (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35406100)

What incentive does Nokia have to develop something which pulls in literally no money?

Re:Nokia did not sell Qt (1)

Leonid99 (192164) | more than 3 years ago | (#35406462)

Nokia did not sell Qt to Digia. They sold the Qt commercial license business to Digia. Digia will now sell Qt licenses to companies like Adobe or Google who want to make closed-source modifications to Qt.

What I don't understand is who is going to own the actual copyright for the Qt. If Nokia will, than they just effectively outsource the customers service to Digia and that's it. If Digia will own the copyright, it means they sold Qt to Digia.
The reports seem to imply the former.

Wow, that was fast (5, Funny)

dingen (958134) | more than 3 years ago | (#35404812)

So I guess when Nokia stated on their official blog that Qt would remain to play an important role in Nokia [nokia.com] they actually forgot to add "...for about three weeks".

Little surprise as Microsoft is a QT competitor (2)

pyalot (1197273) | more than 3 years ago | (#35404824)

Microsoft does their own UI framework, development suite etc. pp. and QT had the audacity to think they could do it as well, including cross platform support.

Naturally an alliance with Microsoft must include getting rid of Microsoft competitors, so little surprise there. Just confirms that whatever Nokia's gonna do, it'll not involve anything else then Microsoft approved "best" practices.

Digia makes Linux smartphones (1)

Peter H.S. (38077) | more than 3 years ago | (#35404848)

Looks good from a QT/KDE perspective. Digia develops Symbian, and QT and MeeGo Linux smartphones, and have had a partnership with Trolltech.

Nokia is run by a bunch of bufoons. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35404854)

Nokia is run by a bunch of money grubbing bufoons. I'm not even talking about anything that this story is about.

They idiocy started a long time ago and is mostly centered around their greedy executives. The company hasn't exactly been in a good position for years, yet the executives decide to move 300 of their executives from Dallas to Westchester county NY. The company was already laying off people and they move 300 executives to a place that cost 400-500% more to live and work.

Centering their phones around Windows? I wonder how much of a kickback their executives got in a kickback from Bill's boys to make that move.

Their executives don't seem to really care about the company, only getting what they can while they can.

If you own Nokia stock, I would recommend divesting of it asap.

Re:Nokia is run by a bunch of bufoons. (2)

1s44c (552956) | more than 3 years ago | (#35405282)

If you own Nokia stock, I would recommend divesting of it asap.

I did at a small loss, not that I had more than a few hundred dollars worth anyway. From the look of the prices so did many other people.

A few days later I was asked if I want to apply for a linux admin job for Nokia. I'm staying well clear of that one.

That's not what some Nokia folks say... (1)

snookiex (1814614) | more than 3 years ago | (#35404858)

According to this blog [nokia.com] entry by Christophe Joyau, "Head of Services Sales, Nordic and Baltic countries"

Re:That's not what some Nokia folks say... (1)

Alex Belits (437) | more than 3 years ago | (#35405074)

Yeah right.

Free of Microsoft (0)

EmperorOfCanada (1332175) | more than 3 years ago | (#35404868)

It is good that this is free of Microsoft but will anyone in the new organization have the brains to prepare the iPhone and Android versions?
I basically cried when QT was bought by Nokia to try and save their dying platform. If they had had any sense they would have hitched onto the iPhone bandwagon and ported QT to iPhone so that people could program for iPhone using the great QT and then it would have been a cinch to port it over to Nokia.
Seeing that people like me are willing to learn the horrid Objective-C to get into the iPhone camp they would die for a closer to C++ solution that would allow their marketing departments to dream about easy porting to other platforms.
It is probably too late for this but that is the wicked smart thing to do. Their are already community efforts out there doing this but I suspect that if QT takes all the people who were dealing with the Nokia bureaucrats and replaces them with programmers assigned to porting then they will have a huge win.
Apple might try and block this but they seem to be getting weaker and weaker on these sort of blocks
QT is by far my favorite framework with Cocos2d coming in a close second (although not so multiplatform).

Re:Free of Microsoft (1)

juasko (1720212) | more than 3 years ago | (#35405128)

Why do you think Objective-c is horrid. I'm not much of a programmer but played with both C++ and Objective-c.
I find Objective-c and Cocoa quite pleasing.

I'm just asking I'm the noob here.

Re:Free of Microsoft (2)

EmperorOfCanada (1332175) | more than 3 years ago | (#35405656)

I don't like Objective-C (after releasing 5 iPhone apps) because my code is useless outside the iPhone/iPad. Plus I have to use xcode which is yards behind eclipse and even Visual Studio. My dream would be to program in C++ once for multiple platforms and to have my choice of original development platform as well as IDE.. I am not a fan of Java plus it looks like Apple is going to keep putting shots into the head of Java so to do anything Apple means avoiding Java.
In any given month I maintain/develop in about 6 languages (if you count HTML/CSS as a language). So I am not against learning languages but I like my languages to be improvements such as my switch from perl to PHP. Not a step back to the early 90s. I My personal preference is C++ using a good framework like QT. Boost looks like it might be on my horizon.

Re:Free of Microsoft (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35406754)

Have a look at the Airplay SDK http://www.airplaysdk.com or MoSyncc http://www.mosync.com

Re:Free of Microsoft (2)

gbjbaanb (229885) | more than 3 years ago | (#35405236)

True, if only Nokia had thousands of people working on useful stuff instead of (obviously) drowing in bureaucracy, Qt would be a world-beater.

however, as its open-source, you'll find the Lighthouse project has already got Qt working on Android, and an Qt-iPhone [qt-iphone.com] project is making good inroads too.

the chance to speak out will not come again (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35404918)

bob dylan sang words to that effect, 30? years ago? maybe he'd be kind enough to tell us what 'time' he believes it is now? he did also advocate for hesitation, so that's good? we're betting heavy on the baby's et al. thanks mr. dylan (almost called you bob), it's been some journey thus far?

plays to our heartstrings (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35405118)

some of us used to live in the catskills, & drove by dylan's house daily. we'd hear about some of that stop killing stuff he'd be pushing everywhere, & think warmly, are we living in a good neighborhood or what. more folks were less scared then. random acts of kindness were more frequent. we had a couple of nice neat wars going, but nothing like what's happening now. curious, how we may have to get back to that (less fear, more positive interaction, having a conscience etc...), before we can 'move ahead'? it doesn't look like we have a 'plan b' ready to roll, just yet? all we need is love? yatadadada. sounds doable/imperative?

Misleading (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35405010)

Should I get used to the fact that Slashdot headlines are often misleading? Is this done on purpose or is just out of pure ignorance?

Re:Misleading (1)

kayumi (763841) | more than 3 years ago | (#35405262)

Should I get used to the fact that Slashdot headlines are often misleading? Is this done on purpose or is just out of pure ignorance?

You are mistaken. The headlines exactly represent what the respective submitter / editor understands.
This may sometimes cause misleadinging headlines for esoteric topics like Qt.

There is a school which believes that Slashdot is ruled by believers in the ancient american god mammon.
They are said to sacrifice journalistic integrity/accuracy thrice a week in the belief that controversy increases
the numbers of click-on-aders formerly known as readers. But this explanation is very far fetched I think.

No they didn't (1)

|DeN|niS (58325) | more than 3 years ago | (#35405052)

What happened /., you used to be cool.

FUD much? No more stories about inaccurate (technical) reporting anymore from you then, pot kettle and all that.

Not Cute (1)

TooMad (967091) | more than 3 years ago | (#35405162)

I just hope Digia stops insisting on calling it "Cute" the lady on the phone I talked to seemed offended when I called it "Queue Tee" and very pointedly corrected me.

Re:Not Cute (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35406750)

Don't talk to anyone from TrollTech then: they all pronounced it "Cute" too.

Company reps have no business correcting you on it though.

But what does it mean for development? (4, Interesting)

starseeker (141897) | more than 3 years ago | (#35405228)

This is the commercial licensing side of Qt, *NOT* Qt. The major thing that will matter to the open source community is whether Qt will still be developed as a robust cross platform toolkit, not so much what happens to the commercial licensing business. Even Qt's future on phones doesn't concern me too much - the smart phone industry moving towards "app store" models and locked down platforms is a much bigger concern. (I'm just waiting for Apple to announce they're moving to an App Store model for all their desktop machines...)

Where Qt really shines is as a toolkit for graphical applications on the desktop. THAT's what ultimately concerns me - will the developers who have made Qt such an outstanding cross platform graphical toolkit will be allowed to continue their work as a paid, full time job? Never mind the phones, KDE and a vast array of non-KDE desktop applications that are important parts of the open source ecosystem rely on Qt (especially those that have to deploy on Windows). Would the commercial Linux vendors step in to keep the Qt devs programming, much as they have hired Linux kernel folk in the past? Libreoffice indicates they will act to protect key elements of open source, so fingers crossed. A statement along those lines would be reassuring, if they are in fact able and willing to fall back to that solution if necessary.

Re:But what does it mean for development? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35405446)

I'm just waiting for Apple to announce they're moving to an App Store model for all their desktop machines...

Me too, because that will give GNU/linux a great push forward---as will the continuing, slow decline of Micro$oft :-)

Response from David Stone @ Qt (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35405640)

Hi all
Here are a few points that might add clarity.

Nokia did not 'sell Qt'. It selected a partner to sell commercial licenses and support services, a task that is currently done by Nokia. Qt is offered under two licenses - commercial and LGPL - and the large (majority in fact) base of non commercial users are not impacted by this change.

The agreement lets Nokia focus on Qt for its core businesses, and ensures Qt commercial customers - mainly in the desktop and embedded space - are given top service by a company that has commercial Qt licensing at the core of its interests.

The development of Qt has not been sold or outsourced and is not impacted by this change. Nokia's commitment to advancing and developing Qt for all Qt users has not changed - it remains commited.

You can read some more details at http://blog.qt.nokia.com/2011/03/07/nokia-and-digia-working-together

Regards
David Stone
Communications Manager, Qt

I've seem something like this before. (1)

Chas (5144) | more than 3 years ago | (#35405976)

Qt-Gon Jinn: Do you hear that flushing sound?
Jar-Jar Nokia: *Nod*
Qt-Gon Jinn: That is the sound of you flushing your business down to toilet.
Nemoidian Ballmer: BRING ME NEW ASSMONKEY!
Jar-Jar Nokia: My fucked up! My fucked up!

Re:I've seem something like this before. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35406290)

I felt a great lack of disturbance in the force, as if millions of eyes suddenly rolled in disappointment and suddenly stopped.

Nokia - goodbye! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35406570)

Since the mobile phone era took off, I have had an Erickson (sp? - CDMA) - ok but big, clunky, and no battery life, 3 Nokias (1 OK, 1 great - really small and good battery life, and 1 not so good - really lousy display in daylight), and 2 Google Nexus Ones (phenomenal on all counts). If Nokia went down the tubes (where it seems to be heading), I would not regret it for a second. In any case, I will NEVER (you can quote me on that) purchase a mobile product run by Microsoft software. A BSOD - just what I need when I am talking to my wife on her iPhone... :-(

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