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Not just with video games, but in general (5, Interesting)

devxo (1963088) | more than 3 years ago | (#35419208)

In videogames, even ones that handle the subject deftly, sex is almost always a reward. Take the Mass Effect series, for example. Here, you can indulge in interspecies sexual relations, if you see fit, but to get to the point where a character is willing to bump uglies with you, you have to have followed the correct series of dialogue prompts. There's a veneer of freedom, but the relationship you're creating with the character you want to sleep with is a shallow one. Fail to perform one action, or choose incorrectly on one dialogue tree, and they'll lose interest in you. Sex becomes an achievement, a notch on the bedpost of your high score table, instead of being the physical expression of an emotional connection between two consenting individuals.

Not just with video games, but in general Well, it looks like the author thinks sex must only be some kind of expression of true love. What he is writing here is directly what happens in real life - you choose your words or actions badly and even one bad choice ends up to you not having sex with the girl. This seems to be more of a problem with the way US thinks about sex, while we here in Europe can just have it casually and not make a big deal out of it. Sure it might be shallow relationship, but so what, sex is fun, feels good and there really isn't any reason not to enjoy it.

I wonder why religions even have made sex to look like a bad thing. When you ask about it from someone who believes in god, the only responses usually are something like "because god said so", "that's just how it is" or "it's a special thing between a man and a woman". No actual answer. Sure, sex feels great with a person you love. But so does many other things, and you can also just have sex that feels physically great with no bigger emotions. It's nice to be close to someone, feel their skin and feel how you're inside them. Be it with love or not.

Re:Not just with video games, but in general (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35419240)

I'm guessing religions made it a "bad thing" for when you do it outside their "blessing" (outside of marriage etc etc) and probably a part of the whole cult thing.

Re:Not just with video games, but in general (5, Insightful)

tnk1 (899206) | more than 3 years ago | (#35419372)

More like its difficult to portray sex as being at all interesting in a video game. Violence has blood and gore and explosions, and explosions of violence and gore. Not to mention laser beams, occasionally attached to sharks or giant robots.

Sex is at least two naked people getting it on. Watching it for a short time can be pretty compelling, but you're not likely to get very much good game play out of it.

Consider sex in movies. They all seem to have it to a certain degree, but honestly, if you give the sex anything more than a few scenes, the movie tends to turn into crap.

Re:Not just with video games, but in general (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35419594)

or pron. Which sells. I'm told.

Re:Not just with video games, but in general (2)

dorre (1731288) | more than 3 years ago | (#35419606)

Dont know why you are modded down but yes. I kind of agree. It is an important part of mind control. If you control your followers sex life, you can also control them.

This however only a part of the answer. I think before condoms sex should certainly be mostly between two lovers. A lot of random unprotected sex leads to a lot random sex diseases and relatively unwanted children. I would think.

I think the sex-regulation by religions might also have a third reason. Jealous males killing their neighbors. No seriously. Some people have always been killed because they had sex with someone they shouldnt have.
Whether you like it or not, religions have usually striven to lessen the impact of random violence in society. At least the founders of the religions have usually been quite against violence. It is usually the followers that are the problem ;)

Re:Not just with video games, but in general (1)

slashdottedjoe (1448757) | more than 3 years ago | (#35419758)

Mostly religion tries to limit sex to married couples for the need to support a wife and child is very important to society. Those concepts were driven by the lack of birth control and the fact the average family struggled enough without having small armies of moms needing welfare.

Birth control helps when people use it. Too many do not. The result is many women needing welfare, effectively demanding charity to support their mistakes. Free love is fine, but you must be willing and able to pay when the baby comes along.

The other issue with sex is disease, we have not really done too well with that. HPV for example is virtually impossible to prevent spreading and seems to lead to all types of cancers. Being conservative with your body could save your life.

As Europe has single payer health care, many there may not worry about STDs. When their loose lifestyle gets them cancer, they get to make everybody else pay to cure them.

Religions tended to inform people that they need to take care of themselves and not be a burden on society. We do not need such foolishness today! /s

Personally, I am areligious, but hold libertarian ideals. So, I still feel I need to try my best not to be a burden to others. Running around impregnating every woman who will let me is not exactly responsible behavior towards them, myself or society.

Re:Not just with video games, but in general (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35419820)

As Europe has single payer health care,

(eyeroll)

Yes, "Europe" is a single entity with a single system.

Meanwhile, in the real world only dimly perceived by the Slashdot Brain Trust, each EU nation has its own system, and some of them have both public and private segments.

Re:Not just with video games, but in general (3, Informative)

Stenchwarrior (1335051) | more than 3 years ago | (#35419346)

This seems to be more of a problem with the way US thinks about sex, while we here in Europe can just have it casually and not make a big deal out of it. Sure it might be shallow relationship, but so what, sex is fun, feels good and there really isn't any reason not to enjoy it.

I assure you, there's no shortage of casual and shallow sex here in the US.

Re:Not just with video games, but in general (1)

Conspiracy_Of_Doves (236787) | more than 3 years ago | (#35419424)

The problem is that in the US is there is also no shortage of making a big deal out of casual sex.

Re:Not just with video games, but in general (1)

killmenow (184444) | more than 3 years ago | (#35419456)

Yeah but most of the making a big deal out of it comes from the people who aren't having much of it.

Re:Not just with video games, but in general (2, Funny)

Conspiracy_Of_Doves (236787) | more than 3 years ago | (#35419656)

Seriously? You mean like all the right-wing congressmen who were cheating on their wives? Usually with congressional pages or guys in the restroom.

Re:Not just with video games, but in general (1)

operagost (62405) | more than 3 years ago | (#35419646)

The venereal disease, unwanted pregnancies and emotional distress may have something to do with that.

Re:Not just with video games, but in general (1)

Conspiracy_Of_Doves (236787) | more than 3 years ago | (#35419850)

Which they have in other countries that don't make a big deal about casual sex. They also don't make a big deal out of condoms.

Re:Not just with video games, but in general (1)

SilentStaid (1474575) | more than 3 years ago | (#35419564)

Well sir, I would say to you that the average Slashdot reader is experiencing the shortage...

Couldn't resist. /ducks

Re:Not just with video games, but in general (5, Insightful)

girlintraining (1395911) | more than 3 years ago | (#35419376)

What he is writing here is directly what happens in real life - you choose your words or actions badly and even one bad choice ends up to you not having sex with the girl.

If I walked up to a guy and said "Nice shoes, wanna fuck?" -- there's a chance he'll say yes, despite this being one of the worst ways to go about it. As to actions, many hollywood movies have been made (How to lose a guy in 7 days, anyone?) about how sometimes doing everything wrong still leads to the desired outcome. The truth is... Sex happens because we have hormones and chemicals and stuff in our brains (and *cough* elsewhere) and sometimes they're the ones doing the talking -- and what comes out of our mouth is totally irrelevant. As to love or no love, emotional attachment or not... Being that you're not a woman, you don't have some extra chemicals besides the ones I mentioned above working against you. It's near impossible for a woman past a certain age to have sex and not develop an emotional attachment. Ever wonder why we want to cuddle or be clingy after sex (or octopus you during climax?) -- BRAIN CHEMICALS! Believe me, if we could shut it off, or take a pill to let us have no strings attached sex like guys, the world would be a far sluttier place. I'm totally serious about this... don't laugh.

Re:Not just with video games, but in general (5, Funny)

killmenow (184444) | more than 3 years ago | (#35419540)

I don't believe you. Mostly because you purport to be a female on slashdot.

"That's a joke, son! A joke I say!" - Foghorn Leghorn

Re:Not just with video games, but in general (1)

Stenchwarrior (1335051) | more than 3 years ago | (#35419622)

What he is writing here is directly what happens in real life - you choose your words or actions badly and even one bad choice ends up to you not having sex with the girl.

As to love or no love, emotional attachment or not... Being that you're not a woman, you don't have some extra chemicals besides the ones I mentioned above working against you. It's near impossible for a woman past a certain age to have sex and not develop an emotional attachment. Ever wonder why we want to cuddle or be clingy after sex (or octopus you during climax?) -- BRAIN CHEMICALS! Believe me, if we could shut it off, or take a pill to let us have no strings attached sex like guys, the world would be a far sluttier place. I'm totally serious about this... don't laugh.

This is off topic, but a great topic none the less. I've known plenty of women who were totally fine with a physical relationship (at least that's what they said) but the majority would say they fall into the category you describe and really want more. For a long time scientists thought that women were mostly monogamous while men were inherently the opposite. They attributed these assumptions to the nurturing, demure character of women and hunter-gatherer and conquering nature of men. Recent studies have shown this not to be the case, however; women are just as likely to cheat as men. I'm sure for every study that support this there's a study to contradict, but it's not quite as widely accepted as it was in the days of Freud.

So yes, women may like to be clingy after sex, but after the euphoria of orgasm wears off, it seems they are at least fantasize about multiple partners just as much as men. I don't think you were arguing that point though, were you?

Re:Not just with video games, but in general (1)

ElectricTurtle (1171201) | more than 3 years ago | (#35419662)

Emotional bonding is not a simple byproduct of hormones and neurotransmitters released during and after intercourse. If that were true, every female prostitute would be madly in love with however many clients she has; however much of the time the opposite is the case. Be careful of placebo effects and self-fulfilling prophecies. Long before there was any study of oxytocin there has been in many societies a conflation of sexual attraction and love and cause and effect relationships between the two. Neither love nor sex automatically proceeds from the other, whether by physiological or metaphysical impetuses.

Re:Not just with video games, but in general (2)

morari (1080535) | more than 3 years ago | (#35419410)

I wonder why religions even have made sex to look like a bad thing.

Control. Why else?

Re:Not just with video games, but in general (1)

darkpixel2k (623900) | more than 3 years ago | (#35419534)

I wonder why religions even have made sex to look like a bad thing.

Control. Why else?

Right.

And none of them can tell me where in the Bible it says "No sex before marriage", just like none of them can tell me where it says a priest (*cough*catholics*cough*) must absolve me of my sins.

I always use the desert island example. If I was stranded on a desert island, could I still be 'saved'? If I'm stranded on a desert island with a girl, could we get 'married'?

The Biblical answer is 'yes', but the 'religious' answer is 'no' because they want you to go to their churches, tithe money, hear their interpretation, etc...

Re:Not just with video games, but in general (1)

operagost (62405) | more than 3 years ago | (#35419678)

The Bible proscribes fornication several times. Obviously, if you were alone on a desert island you could only have a monogamous relationship or remain celibate.

Re:Not just with video games, but in general (1)

darkpixel2k (623900) | more than 3 years ago | (#35419808)

The Bible proscribes fornication several times. Obviously, if you were alone on a desert island you could only have a monogamous relationship or remain celibate.

So is marriage a function of the church? If it is, you're a 'sinner'. If it's not, what makes you married?
Sex is marriage. Remember Mary the prostitute? Jesus said 'You have many husbands'.

Re:Not just with video games, but in general (1)

pscottdv (676889) | more than 3 years ago | (#35419746)

I don't know what church you went to as a kid, but they sound seriously messed up.

Re:Not just with video games, but in general (1)

darkpixel2k (623900) | more than 3 years ago | (#35419830)

I don't know what church you went to as a kid, but they sound seriously messed up.

...and your astonishing lack of an argument proves what?

Re:Not just with video games, but in general (1)

ElectricTurtle (1171201) | more than 3 years ago | (#35419782)

And none of them can tell me where in the Bible it says "No sex before marriage"

1 Corinthians 7 mentions it several times, nor is that the only place. While it's true that most Catholic ritual has no Biblical basis, the restrictions on sexual contact are quite clear.

Re:Not just with video games, but in general (1)

darkpixel2k (623900) | more than 3 years ago | (#35419862)

And none of them can tell me where in the Bible it says "No sex before marriage"

1 Corinthians 7 mentions it several times, nor is that the only place. While it's true that most Catholic ritual has no Biblical basis, the restrictions on sexual contact are quite clear.

It's plain as day--it says that you need a wife to avoid fornication. Where does the Bible tell you how you get a wife? I have never once seen a scripture that says "Go find a priest, he will marry you, and you have avoided fornication." Sex is marriage.

Re:Not just with video games, but in general (1)

pscottdv (676889) | more than 3 years ago | (#35419798)

I wonder why religions even have made sex to look like a bad thing.

Control. Why else?

Or... because for most of the history of mankind, single moms had no means to support their children and no reliable means to have sex without making babies.

Re:Not just with video games, but in general (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35419412)

>> This seems to be more of a problem with the way US thinks about sex, while we here in Europe can just have it casually and not make a big deal out of it.

In the US the sequence is:

No (That dress doesn't make your ass look fat)
Yes (I love you)
What woman? (That woman's got great legs doesn't she, honey?)

In France, apparently you revese the answers.

Re:Not just with video games, but in general (3, Insightful)

clorkster (1996844) | more than 3 years ago | (#35419452)

God intended marriage to emulate the relationship between Jesus Christ and the church. A sacrificial love where one holds the other higher than themselves. It is difficult to even scratch the surface of the image of Christ if intimacy, trust, and selflessness are not a priority. I think a lot of the conversation about marriage is fundamentally flawed between religious conservatives and those who would see equality amongst all who explore the realms of love. Christian marriage is fundamentally based upon a vow before God to be selfless and seek to know His Son more every day of your life through selflessly loving another. Legal marriage is not Christ-centered in any way (all questions of gender aside), so it's sort of hard to speak about two different things with the same word and expect much progress. Being one, I blame Christians for this break down in dialog.

It's nice to be close to someone, feel their skin and feel how you're inside them. Be it with love or not.

Agreed. It is. However it's beautiful to know beyond any shadow of a doubt that someone loves you.

Re:Not just with video games, but in general (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35419470)

I'll also add that one really shouldn't expect most people to have genuine romantic feelings for a video game character. They're not in any way intelligent or even sentient or human, why should they trigger responses designed to form longer-term bonds primarily useful for child-raising? Yea, I'm sure it happens for a small subset of people, anyways, but for most it just doesn't work.

For video game sex to be of any "use", they essentially have to be some sort of erotic story or pornography without any requirement for actual romantic feelings. You know, for the same reason why video cassettes with naked women also generally aren't designed to simulate real relationships.

And then yes, there are the rating systems. Computer games as almost all software is designed for the masses, most economic if sold as many times as possible. They often don't take things to levels perceived as "extreme" because if they did, they'd limit their audience much, both by national laws and rating agencies, and by actual customer interests and morals etc.
 

Re:Not just with video games, but in general (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35419818)

one really shouldn't expect most people to have genuine romantic feelings for a video game character.

And yet when I played Mass Effect 2 I genuinely got aroused by Tali [wikia.com] ( Liz Sroka [imdb.com]). Romantic feelings? Possibly but definitely aroused. I don't know if it is Liz Sroka's voice or the fact that the character has a great profile but you cannot see underneath but there were times I had to stop the game just to...um...cool off.

Re:Not just with video games, but in general (1)

strength_of_10_men (967050) | more than 3 years ago | (#35419486)

From TFA:

First up, lock up your daughters, sons and dependants, because we're going to talk about sex.

If that doesn't say it all about the US's attitude writ large in the author's article.

If you can't objectively discuss sex without hiding it as a dirty topic from "innocent ears", then he's just answered his own musings in this article.

But really, are video games really any different from any other form of entertainment in general? Just take a look at your newstands, TV, and movie theaters and tell me if video games treat sex all that differently

Re:Not just with video games, but in general (1)

xaxa (988988) | more than 3 years ago | (#35419706)

But really, are video games really any different from any other form of entertainment in general? Just take a look at your newstands, TV, and movie theaters and tell me if video games treat sex all that differently

I am not/was not really aware there were normal/mainstream games including sex. I don't play games very often though, but I'd expect to hear about it when people are discussing them.

I know movies have sex -- both as the main point of the film (porn) and as incidental to the story (everything else). My nearest newsstand includes newspapers with a Page 3 [wikipedia.org] and magazines of semi-naked people and sex tips available to anyone.

Re:Not just with video games, but in general (1)

operagost (62405) | more than 3 years ago | (#35419708)

If that doesn't say it all about the US's attitude writ large in the author's article.

No, it says it all about the writer's opinion of the portrayal of sex in the media and his affinity for hyperbole.

Re:Not just with video games, but in general (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35419692)

and you can also just have sex that feels physically great with no bigger emotions

That's simply not true, and if you act like it is, you pay a price. It's like taking bipolar meds - you won't feel down, but you won't feel up either. You become a zombie. A robot.

Life is supposed to have its ups and downs. This is the heartbeat of humanity. If you flat-line it, you might as well be a rock or a vegetable.

Re:Not just with video games, but in general (1)

flyneye (84093) | more than 3 years ago | (#35419714)

I wouldn't say Christian religion makes sex look like a bad thing. I'd say some denominations of Christiandom believe it is, some don't.
On one extreme you have the Shakers, who swear off even married sex , on the other are modern non denominational churches who believe God gave us sex to both enjoy and procreate. Plenty of latitude there. I suppose though are the endless complaints about denominations with more stringent belief systems, which naturally take up more conversation/thinking/news time and make all Christianity look bad. The same could be said of any faith I suppose.

          Sex is treated as is in games because the only other thing left to do is make sex the game itself. Does anyone really need/want a game that amounts to high tech "put the round peg in the round hole"? Anyone need practice? Maybe it could be part of sex ed for lazy ass public schools.
            There just isn't enough scenario to make Sex the main course of a video game without making it as storyline boring as a pr0n film.
        Can you imagine the canned music it would use? Jeez!

Re:Not just with video games, but in general (4, Insightful)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 3 years ago | (#35419726)

This seems to be more of a problem with the way US thinks about sex, while we here in Europe can just have it casually and not make a big deal out of it.

I also admire how you Europeans have mastered that whole arrogance thing.

Fantasy Escapism (5, Insightful)

Sonny Yatsen (603655) | more than 3 years ago | (#35419232)

I always figured that videogames treat sex two dimensionally because much of video games cater to fantasy escapism as its main draw. It's really no different from any other fantasy escapism outlet. If you look at high fantasy books of the last couple of decades, you'll see the exact same amount of treatment of sex and impossibly proportioned women. Same thing with comic books. On the women's side, it's no different from romance novels (with the impossibly built shirtless men on the covers), soap operas (although to a lesser degree) and all sorts of other similar stuff. They appeal to the idea in us of the quick cathartic thrill that we can fantasize ourselves into, and very few people fantasize about marriage, children and getting a mortgage.

Sex is a reward (1)

coinreturn (617535) | more than 3 years ago | (#35419250)

or treat it as a reward?

Because that's how evolution works.

Re:Sex is a reward (1)

digitalsushi (137809) | more than 3 years ago | (#35419308)

evolution wise, offspring are the reward. sex is the work.

Re:Sex is a reward (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35419644)

That's exactly backwards.

Best description (1)

Voyager529 (1363959) | more than 3 years ago | (#35419266)

This video [youtube.com] is about the best description of the problem I've seen. If you can't read the fine article, watch the fine video.

Re:Best description (1)

Elbereth (58257) | more than 3 years ago | (#35419734)

That video requires you to log in to YouTube. Got a link that doesn't require an account to view the video?

After Leisure Suit Larry... (1)

robmiracle (1938904) | more than 3 years ago | (#35419284)

there isn't much more can be done..... But on a serious note. Games still live in a 2D space. I'm not talking about 3D type games but the environment. It isn't real. Our minds know it and there is little anyone can do to get past the fact that it's not real.

Because...gamedevlopers, (2)

Silpher (1379267) | more than 3 years ago | (#35419290)

Do not want you to know there's this much better game in town :p

And CmdrTaco can't play it... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35419328)

...with his nubby joystick.

Re:And CmdrTaco can't play it... (1)

darkpixel2k (623900) | more than 3 years ago | (#35419554)

...with his nubby joystick.

Why post anonymously? It's not like a slashdot author couldn't look at the apache logs for your IP... Hell, they probably have it built in to their admin interface.

Re:And CmdrTaco can't play it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35419602)

You're assuming they care enough to do so.

PROTIP: They don't.

because they're video GAMES (5, Insightful)

pezpunk (205653) | more than 3 years ago | (#35419298)

it's not like video games treat murder or money or physics or politics with reverence, respect, or precision either. why should a game be expected to treat sex as somehow immune from gamification? if it's included, it *should* be simplified in function and integrated into the gaming framework, just like every other complex human thing that gets reduced to either a goal, task, tool, or reward in a game.

Exception to the rule? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35419302)

Fahrenheit. (aka Indigo Prophecy)

Sex was in the game... but not really as a reward... just part of the narrative.

Re:Exception to the rule? (1)

NoZart (961808) | more than 3 years ago | (#35419658)

In Heavy Rain it was included in such a way that you felt it coming (not a pun) a few minutes before - just like in RL

Easy (4, Insightful)

Spad (470073) | more than 3 years ago | (#35419352)

Because any game that treats sex "properly" is going to end up with an AO rating in the US because of the absurd level of puritanical outrage about boobies, which means Walmart and the like won't stock it, so it won't sell as many copies and most publishers won't want to touch it.

Personally, I'd welcome deeper relationship modelling in games, especially RPGs, but I know it's unlikely to happen as long as people are so scared of AO ratings and their impact on US sales. A simple solution is to stick it on the PC, slap an 18 rating on it and sell it primarily in the UK/Europe; job done.

Escapist wondered about this was well... (2)

mariushm (1022195) | more than 3 years ago | (#35419364)

... and created this nice presentation that's worth watching : http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/extra-credits/2505-Sex-in-Games [escapistmagazine.com]

unprecedented evile's minions fleeing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35419370)

some were rumored to have been seen flying out windows with rats in their mouths & flames coming out of their butts. told you?

Or treat it as a reward (1)

dimethylxanthine (946092) | more than 3 years ago | (#35419378)

Because too few people know how to use sex as a higher, richer form of communication and spiritual growth, and probably because most videogamers' (and I'm sorry if I'm making too bold of a generalization) association with sex is getting caught in the basement jerking off... Why else would one "snigger"?..

Here's my take (2)

Haedrian (1676506) | more than 3 years ago | (#35419380)

Society is too 'particular' about sex. The GTA hot coffee mod is a perfect example. How dare they put sex into that game! I want to shoot prostitutes, hijack cars, murder policeman and whack civilians with a baseball bat. For some reason even the largest amount of violence is less likely to cause controversy than a sex scene.

Now, a game usually has something which makes it fun, the main part of the game. That part is treated with the most 'respect' in a way. If its a FPS its about saving the world through shooting people or whatever. If its a city simulator then its about economics or whatever. I mean you don't hear complaints about how Mass Effect doesn't simulate a space economy well enough - because that's not the main point of the game, its a sub thing.

If you wanted a game that was all about sex, I'm sure they exist, but they'd be 'adult' games, or so heavily rated 18+ that nobody can really get to them easily (see Paragraph 1). And even then, do you think there is enough of an audience who wants to play a game who's main gameplay involves having a realistic relationship with someone? Nope.

Re:Here's my take (1)

lgw (121541) | more than 3 years ago | (#35419490)

And even then, do you think there is enough of an audience who wants to play a game who's main gameplay involves having a realistic relationship with someone? Nope.

There's an entire "dating sim" genre in the Japanese market that disagrees. It just seems to be a US thing that any game that in any way involves sex is seen as a "sex game" and the rest of the game stops mattering.

Re:Here's my take (1)

Hatta (162192) | more than 3 years ago | (#35419720)

If you wanted a game that was all about sex, I'm sure they exist, but they'd be 'adult' games, or so heavily rated 18+ that nobody can really get to them easily (see Paragraph 1). And even then, do you think there is enough of an audience who wants to play a game who's main gameplay involves having a realistic relationship with someone? Nope.

I'm pretty sure the real reason is better summed up in your last sentence than the rest of your post. Even for someone who has no puritanical hangups about sex, it's hard to imagine a game with sex as a central theme that wouldn't come off as ridiculous.

Because with current tech its laughable (2)

Viol8 (599362) | more than 3 years ago | (#35419384)

Until photo realistic graphics and realistic movement comes of age not to mention other forms of user "input" then sex in a videogame will remain funny rather than erotic.

Re:Because with current tech its laughable (1)

royallthefourth (1564389) | more than 3 years ago | (#35419582)

The point of sex in thoughtful media is to advance a story and show the feelings of the characters. Certainly excellent books including sexuality exist that do not include pictures!

Grow up.

Re:Because with current tech its laughable (1)

Viol8 (599362) | more than 3 years ago | (#35419690)

Newsflash - a videogame isn't a book. Its a visual medium and generally the "feelings" of the characters arn't crucial the the gameplay. You know its not real, right?

"Grow up."

*boggle*

Dragon Age (1)

jimmerz28 (1928616) | more than 3 years ago | (#35419392)

Dragonage has been thankfully different in this regard.

They weren't really "rewards" and you could have same-sex interaction (although it wasn't with Alistair...).

And since they've committed to continue this practice I'll definitely be getting Dragon Age 2, not just for the sex but because sexual encounters certainly adds another level to video games which make them feel mature if done correctly imo.

The wait is almost over... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35419408)

Balance will be restored to Sex and Video Games with the upcoming release of Duke Nukem Forever.

just sex? (1)

Ephemeriis (315124) | more than 3 years ago | (#35419428)

Honestly, games treat pretty much everything in a two-dimensional way. Every system is a dramatic simplification. Every mechanic is there to make the game fun. You don't see a whole hell of a lot of depth or complexity to any of it.

Need only look at general audience and their age (1)

rs1n (1867908) | more than 3 years ago | (#35419430)

I suppose the game developers are "thinking of the children" in a very perverse sense. When your typical audience is in his teens / early college years -- of course the women with unrealistic proportions are going to be more appealing. The buyers are making their purchases partly based on their hormones at that age.

Nothing to do with the games. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35419444)

An Entertainment Software Association report in 2009 showed that the average age of a videogame player is 35, ...

Because people who spend all that time in front of video games (and the internet for that matter) are socially backwards, awkward, and usually lack social skills.

The real answer (1)

Conspiracy_Of_Doves (236787) | more than 3 years ago | (#35419458)

Because in order to treat sex realistically, and not as a reward at the end of a dialog tree, you would need an AI capable or responding in a realistic manner to social interactions, and we are quite simply not at that level yet.

Re:The real answer (1)

_0xd0ad (1974778) | more than 3 years ago | (#35419724)

Because in order to treat sex realistically, and not as a reward at the end of a dialog tree, you would need an AI capable or responding in a realistic manner to social interactions

Why? We already have those. They're called "women". They live outside the basement.

and we are quite simply not at that level yet.

Well, you got that right at least.

Why does anybody "struggle" with sex? (2)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 3 years ago | (#35419468)

Because your cultural/religious repressions are making you all crazy. What makes you think that sexual deprivation is any less harmful than sleep or sensory deprivation? You should learn to let the kids play with themselves if you don't want to raise a psychopath.

Why does Modern American Society Struggle with Sex (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35419472)

'Why do videogameswe still treat sex in such a two dimensional way? Why do theywe snigger at it, or treat it as a reward?'

Seriously? The question is why (modern) video games can't handle sex in a mature way?

We're a culture dominated by immature views of sex. We live in a culture where we are surrounded by mixed messages, inconsistencies, and stereotypes. Where whatever sex I'm interested in is fine and normal, but whatever sex you want is deviant and wrong. A society that has never successfully grasped with the Virgin/Whore dichotomy. A culture where the dominant view is that women are not supposed to want sex and men aren't supposed to want anything but.

Is there really any question as to why Video Games can't handle sex in a mature way, when we handle sexual issues in the the rest of our lives in such an immature manner?

I am amused that this is posted today. Today is Mardi Gras; a day that has come to be a celebration of excesses. Take a look at the behavior in New Orleans tonight differs from the typical behavior of the residents in Baton Rouge for the other 364 days of the year. Take a look at how celebrations of diversity and sexuality, like NY or SF Pride, differ from the typical views of sex espoused by ministers and preachers every Sunday morning. Consider the language we use with regards to sex -- "Walk of Shame", "Booty Call".

Video Games treat sex pretty much like how sex is treated in every other aspect of this society -- poorly.

Age Assumptions (1)

Kenshin (43036) | more than 3 years ago | (#35419476)

Just like with comics and animation, the west (or more specifically, North America) has this decades-long issue where it is automatically assumed that videogames are children's entertainment.

Other parts of the world, like Japan, and parts of Europe, have gotten over this and accept that those forms of entertainment can be for mature adults, so their games, comics, and animation can be a bit more risqué.

Re:Age Assumptions (2)

lgw (121541) | more than 3 years ago | (#35419566)

No "kenshin", games comics and animation are seen as childish in Japan too, perhaps even more so. They're just practical about the market for adults doing childish things, and not so repressed about sex as to panic about children being exposed to risque content. But "mature" adults don't do anything "for fun" - you might admit to having a hobby, but only because there's a safe pretense that a hobby can be for self-improvement.

I can think of a few reasons... (4, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 3 years ago | (#35419488)

Just technologically, sex is arguably pretty tricky. You can do plain porn easily enough(especially if you just use stills and video shot with real people); but simulating complex character interactions or in-engine naked-bodies-and-fluids without falling into the horrors of the uncanny valley is quite difficult. Thus, games tend either to ignore the subject, or just toss in some pin-ups at reward points.

Then, of course, you have the US market's rather curious stance toward sex vs. violence. Violence may well get you rated M; but M is hardly the kiss of death. Sex will probably get you AO, which is.(Even if the selling point of the violence is realistic depictions of human suffering and death, and the game is all about tasteful loving relationships or something; but so it goes...) Even as the market of adult videogamers expands, you still can't get a mass-market game out the door if it won't be at least tacitly accepted by the households of millions of 14 year olds(because who else is going to scream "FAGGOT HACKER!!@!!" into the microphone all night on XBL?)

Finally, there is the matter of competition and competitive advantage: For things like violence and empire building, most people either have no options, or only options that are actually pretty costly, and thus not competitors as entertainment(Well, let's see... I could download America's Army or I could join America's Army...). There is some competition from film; but that is about it. For things like sex, a decent percentage of gamers old enough to be interested in a serious in-game depiction are substantially more interested in real life. Failing that(because of technological limitations, as described above) the conventional pornography industry is arguably pretty superior to the video game industry in terms of efficiently titillating depictions, and the film and novel industries are substantially ahead if you want deep characters and romance and things.

Sex in videogames isn't romantic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35419530)

The author is seriusly asking why we can't have video games that will let him have meaning full sex?
Seriusly Its a video game, go out and talk to girls, maybe someday you will experiance this new "sex" thing.

Censorship. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35419608)

The rules of what you can and can't do in a medium that the rest of the media mistakenly believes is solely for children prevent it.

It's that simple.

Sex and nerds (0)

Wowsers (1151731) | more than 3 years ago | (#35419716)

Why videogames "struggle" with sex?

Because the games are written by nerds, who don't get any, so have nothing to compare with real life. Just my guess. :)

Snigger? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35419744)

LOL, you mean "snicker"?

I hadn't heard that one before, funny. Maybe English is not the author's first language.

Mortal Online and frontal (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35419750)

Mortal Online (MMORPG) has broached the content of full frontal nudity. There is no actual interaction between players but I don't see that the graphics have detracted from the gameplay at all.

Why not? (1)

mustPushCart (1871520) | more than 3 years ago | (#35419764)

So where games today can make people play for hours on end to get virtual goods, where gamers get the sense of achievement by killing virtual monsters in a virtual world for virtual rewards (while playing real money), you DONT want to use sex as a reward? Especially sex/romantic relations with characters you have quite likely developed some sort of emotional attachment to? You want to just.. give away this ace up a designers sleeve? WHY!

The Witcher (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35419786)

You really want "Sex as notch on the bedpost", look no further than that game. You actually collect an "achievement card" for every woman Geralt sleeps with in that game. Still though, Geralt's cavalier attitude fits the character, and the writing does convey that some of these "conquests" do develop some genuine affection for him. I guess it's not the French doing the whole juxtaposition of romance and ironic detachment anymore, it's the Czechs...

obv (1)

Gunkerty Jeb (1950964) | more than 3 years ago | (#35419822)

Probably for the same reasons that video-gamers struggle with sex. It has something to do with the intersection of infrequency and awkwardness.

THIEF! FILTHY THIEF! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35419826)

http://www.gamegavel.com/reviews/2011/02/24/sex-and-videogames/

Way to steal an article I wrote months upon months ago. I originally posted that in the summer on our community blogs, and then again on the 24th of Feb of this year. Not only is this guy late to the party, he has stolen huge elements of my original article. And to add insult to injury, I attempted to submit this to slashdot all that long ago. Jerks.

2-dimensional? (1)

arielCo (995647) | more than 3 years ago | (#35419848)

Why do videogames still treat sex in such a two dimensional way? Why do they snigger at it, or treat it as a reward?

I believe that's one-dimensional - love-it <--> hate-it are just opposite directions along a single axis.

Thank goodness (1)

wrencherd (865833) | more than 3 years ago | (#35419858)

So, video games cannot duplicate or replace the actual living of one's own real life . . . and this is a bad thing, exactly why?
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