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HP To Put WebOS On PCs In 2012

samzenpus posted more than 3 years ago | from the new-player-in-town dept.

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Stenchwarrior writes "Hewlett-Packard's chief executive officer Leo Apotheker announced that WebOS will be on every PC that HP ships in 2012. The move is intended to attract more developers and push the operating system from mobile devices onto desktops. Apotheker made the announcement during a presentation to HP's staff in India, according to a report by Bloomberg. It's not likely that WebOS will supplant existing operating systems on PCs, but rather would run on top of Windows to be able to launch WebOS apps. HP had previously announced its plans to push WebOS onto PCs last month, but, at the time, the company didn't reveal the scope of its commitment to the operating system. We now know that HP means each and every PC it sells starting in 2012 will have WebOS installed."

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Why? (1)

fotbr (855184) | more than 3 years ago | (#35435266)

I guess I don't understand why one would want to launch WebOS applications when they're sitting at their desktop or laptop. Is there an actual desire for this that I'm just too dense to understand?

Re:Why? (4, Insightful)

bloodhawk (813939) | more than 3 years ago | (#35435312)

I am with ya on that, this move is completely beyond comprehension, not only does it seem pointless but if you have dealt much with HP software over the years the last thing you would want from them is more of it.

Re:Why? (1)

Bert64 (520050) | more than 3 years ago | (#35435412)

And the fact it installs on top of windows, its just another piece of bloatware that will annoy users...

A fast booting splashtop like environment would be useful, or what Dell did where there's a separate low power ARM cpu inside which runs an instant-on os for browsing and media playback with much better battery life etc...

Re:Why? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35435568)

"The fact"? Don't you mean the assumption of the author of the article?

Re:Why? (1)

symbolset (646467) | more than 3 years ago | (#35435740)

Presumably there will be cool WebOS apps that are not available for Windows. And of course it allows the integration of the PC with WebOS tablets so that the tablet can be a thin client for all of your PCs. And it allows for the transparent integration of presentations like movies and other content across the devices.

Hopefully cool stuff, if they don't screw it up. Put me down for "maybe".

Re:Why? (1)

toastar (573882) | more than 3 years ago | (#35435768)

Presumably there will be cool WebOS apps that are not available for Windows.

Cool, so now i can use the in car navigator while sitting at home!

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35435780)

Nothing you describe there requires the need to install a webOS ontop of windows. windows can play most media out of the box and has full open support for whatever codecs you want to add, this is really just an extra layer of crap for for little or no benefit. personally I give it 12 months post launch till it is declared officially dead.

Re:Why? (1)

Antisyzygy (1495469) | more than 3 years ago | (#35436124)

Nope. WebOS is on HP phones and their tablet. Its a good OS for this purpose. I suspect they want their line of laptops and desktops to sync up with the mobile devices and this is why they are doing this.

Re:Why? (1)

Desler (1608317) | more than 3 years ago | (#35436178)

They could have your laptop and desktop sync with your phone or tablet without having to layer WebOS on top of Windows. I guess it's magic that I don't need ot install iOS or Android on my laptop or desktop to sync the phone up, eh?

Re:Why? (1)

altoz (653655) | more than 3 years ago | (#35435972)

It's not hard to understand their thinking. They saw the amount of money that Apple was making and realized that the key piece to what Apple has is their own OS. They want their own iTunes, app store, etc.

Not saying it will work, but I can see where they're trying to go. The big advantage Apple has over all the other PC manufacturers is that they control everything from hardware to software. HP took a step in that direction so they can give the user a better experience.

I mean, Dell's acquiring AMD and that's pretty much the same play in the hardware direction.

Re:Why? (1)

Antisyzygy (1495469) | more than 3 years ago | (#35436056)

Dell is not acquiring AMD. It was speculated, but most people don't take it seriously.

Re:Why? (1)

Desler (1608317) | more than 3 years ago | (#35436216)

I mean, Dell's acquiring AMD and that's pretty much the same play in the hardware direction.

Since when? There was a rumor that this was going to happen that someone apparently pulled out of their ass, but that doesn't count as a forgone fact.

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35435348)

Just one more thing to uninstall from HPs.

Re:Why? (1)

MikeDirnt69 (1105185) | more than 3 years ago | (#35435698)

Just one more thing to not buy from HP.

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35435428)

Because they've bought into the "app for that" mentality, and want to order a pizza. I go to the pizza place's website, whether on my phone or my laptop. They open the pizza place's app, and they'll now be able to do that on their laptop.

Also, PIM etc. apps, can take advantage of WebOS's synchronization capabilities (yeah, instead of supporting standards for interchanging data with your choice of PC apps).

Not saying it's a good thing, but it's definitely got appeal to average users.

Re:Why? (2)

yoshi_mon (172895) | more than 3 years ago | (#35435592)

This likely is a boardroom decision that is devoid of engineering input. And given HPs cooperate culture lately it does not surprise me one bit.

It is however very sad from a company that was founded by engineers.

Why? Visit our App store! (4, Interesting)

AdamThor (995520) | more than 3 years ago | (#35435606)

Everyone seems to be coming up with something like this. And I think it's all to encourage you to stay within the owner's ecosystem where they make the rules and skim the profits of everything that comes through.

Apple iStore started it.
Then Steam. GamesForWindowsLive is an obvious ripoff. Apple is offering more and more stuff, Facebook wants to start offering credits or something like that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook_Credits [wikipedia.org] App Stores, Paypal, etc. it's the wave of the future.

Everyone wants to be the broker through which you do all your stuff. I kinda hope that they all screw off and drop dead. I don't need any more middle men between me and my destination.

Maybe the marketplaces will proliferate to the extent that none of them can become truly mandatory. Or maybe one day you'll choose between the 300 different app markets that do all sorts of shit and you'll have to be careful to shop out the one with the best terms. Or maybe you'll have to join a bunch of them (that product you just bought requires you to join another one, please generate ANOTHER unique username and password!) and you'll have to manage all 300 digital identities.

Perhaps you can see how excited I am.

Re:Why? Visit our App store! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35435670)

Tell me about it. That's why I visit farms directly rather than use the grocery store. I mean, if I want corn, I'm going to go get it from the guy with the field rather than some middle man who thinks he can tell me what's best.

Re:Why? Visit our App store! (2)

Aqualung812 (959532) | more than 3 years ago | (#35435708)

I kinda hope that they all screw off and drop dead. I don't need any more middle men between me and my destination.

Maybe the marketplaces will proliferate to the extent that none of them can become truly mandatory. Or maybe one day you'll choose between the 300 different app markets that do all sorts of shit and you'll have to be careful to shop out the one with the best terms. Or maybe you'll have to join a bunch of them (that product you just bought requires you to join another one, please generate ANOTHER unique username and password!) and you'll have to manage all 300 digital identities.

Perhaps you can see how excited I am.

I'm with you on the "store" overload with all of the DRM that comes with it, but I must point out that in terms of middle men, you're usually ahead with one of these stores. There are far more indie musicians/authors/software-devs now, since the chain is usually creator->store->customer, rather than creator->(agent)->smaller label/softwareco/publisher-> multinational parent corp -> distribution chain -> retail store -> customer.

Re:Why? Visit our App store! (1)

AdamThor (995520) | more than 3 years ago | (#35435824)

Ah, you are correct, I think. Still, these stores drive me crazy. What is it, then? Perhaps it's the marketing that comes along with it. Maybe it's having to run an extra application. Or maybe it's the liberties that they seem to take with my computer.

Re:Why? Visit our App store! (1)

Aqualung812 (959532) | more than 3 years ago | (#35436026)

My guess is that it is all back to the DRM: Software to prevent you from copying (that is buggy), logins and passwords to forget, etc...

Re:Why? Visit our App store! (1)

AReilly (9339) | more than 3 years ago | (#35435880)

Why not? Works for Ubuntu. You want Amazon or WalMart or the guy down the road managing your software updates?

Re:Why? Visit our App store! (1)

colesw (951825) | more than 3 years ago | (#35436042)

I'm confused, is Ubuntu like WalMart, Amazon or the guy down the road?

Re:Why? Visit our App store! (1)

nschubach (922175) | more than 3 years ago | (#35436384)

I think they meant that it's not like Walmart, Amazon... (The post can be read in many ways, but if you read it as if it were spoken and rhetorical it makes sense.)

Re:Why? (1)

jejones (115979) | more than 3 years ago | (#35435662)

As a happy Palm Pre user, I'm very interested in whether WebOS's UI can be well-mapped to a {desk, lap}top. IMHO it's far more intuitive than Android's, and I'd be very happy with a WebOS tablet. I refuse to buy hardware contaminated with Windows. If I can get a WebOS computer without having to buy Windows, I'm willing to give it a look.

Re:Why? (3, Insightful)

Martin Blank (154261) | more than 3 years ago | (#35435932)

I'm also a happy Pre user, and looking forward to the Pre3/Touchpad combination. I'll be happier if WebOS for the desktop will be available for installation on other vendor hardware, as a lot of people like or are locked into Dell, Lenovo, or Toshiba, or build their own.

Those who question the installation of WebOS on HP systems in large part haven't seen what HP is trying to do with it. The concept is closer to consumer cloud computing than anything else that I've seen. While certain services will allow you wide access to one type of data (Box.net for files, webmail for e-mail, etc.), HP is going for total data availability from any device (at least if it's running WebOS). You can have local copies if you wish, but the data will be synchronized across a wide variety of devices. In the future, if it pans out, then I'm sure we'll see WebOS TVs, tables, walls, or refrigerators (or maybe even toasters) to make it so we never have to do much more than turn around to access our data.

Personally, I'd love to have the option of synchronizing it with my choice of hosts, or with my systems at home if I choose to keep things out of someone else's hands. The options are important, and if it means paying a few bucks for it, I'm OK with that.

I don't know if WebOS will be the platform to make this happen the way that it needs to. It may be that Apple will come up with something similar by utilizing their new data center. Google, of course, has been pushing to become the world's data repository. Some other party could come up with something that does it better. Everyone is pushing everyone else, and it makes it an interesting time to watch it all unfold.

Re:Why? (1)

zaivala (887815) | more than 3 years ago | (#35436070)

I'd be happy to see this. I'm still using my old Handspring Visor, so I'm not fully aware of the benefits of WebOS over older PalmOS, but I love my Visor. The thing I love least about it is that the synch software is still only written for Windows 3 and 3.1... I'm about to try the Palm Synch in Ubuntu if I get brave enough...

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35435724)

I don't know if WebOS is an App-bound cellphone platform, but there needs to be more awareness that we're quietly being FRAGMENTED with products coming out exclusively for expensive and always-on-the-internet smartphones platforms. Funny, because we spent 10 years caving into ditching modems, buying routers, paying for broadband and internal cabling and routers and already pay for cheaper internet service than what it costs to run a barely smart cellphone today.

All that for what? As soon as companies went mainstream pushing apps a couple years ago, market forces are constantly pushing us to not only have web access, but buy a connected cellphone for apps (both connected and disconnected). Because ticket information, game times, schedules and so on are no longer cheaper to develop for a WWW audience. What happened?

Apparently the PC as a legal ad service is no longer a goldmine, and I find it bittersweet that even Microsoft, who thrives on Windows sales, has given us NO choice when it comes to their proprietary, scannable tag system [getsatisfaction.com] for their own desktop OS. If webOS delivers a friendly app market that is compatible with Android's or Apple's, then it would be trivial to see the benefits of not having to bother friends who have access to the aforementioned phones.

I can suspect that an App provides many benefits
apps have been abusing customer privacy by collecting names, location, address book and gps data
apps want to advertise to your friends (especially the facebook games)
apps can have their own ad-streaming code, ignoring all your browser's restrictions on popups, blocking, etc

Re:Why? (2)

Idbar (1034346) | more than 3 years ago | (#35435748)

I think I didn't get it before, but WebOS is a hit/miss in Spanish speaking countries as it's an homonym with "Huevos", which is slang for "balls".

As in "Tienes WebOS?". Ah, yes... I don't see a good future launching WebOS either.

Re:Why? (1)

aristotle-dude (626586) | more than 3 years ago | (#35436440)

I think I didn't get it before, but WebOS is a hit/miss in Spanish speaking countries as it's an homonym with "Huevos", which is slang for "balls".

As in "Tienes WebOS?". Ah, yes... I don't see a good future launching WebOS either.

Fortunately English and not Spanish is the lingua franca of our modern times.

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35435772)

Cause according to Andorid fanboys over at CNET, the more devices with your OS the better you are. This will give HP huge rollout numbers since they can count all computers and mobile-like devices. They will be number one platform in no time.

Re:Why? (1)

uvajed_ekil (914487) | more than 3 years ago | (#35436034)

There is virtually no desire for this. I'm guessing a buyer a senior buyer at HP found WebOS at rock-bottom liquidation prices so low he couldn't pass it up. This is despite the fact that HP have no use for it and their customers either haven't heard of it or don't give a crap about it, nor should they. Maybe they'll have to learn the hard way not to go into a dollar store with a full wallet - when you do, you're guaranteed to buy crap you don't need just because it appears to be cheap. Not such a great deal if it goes unused, is it?

Re:Why? (1)

Antisyzygy (1495469) | more than 3 years ago | (#35436100)

Presumably it would be an instant-on OS you can use instead of Windows. I actually like the idea. Furthermore, HP has touchscreens on some of their laptops now so I suspect they may take advantage of this feature. WebOS is supposed to sync up and partially control all your mobile devices (SMS texting, emails, facebook, twitter, etc) even if you don't have your phone right next to you, so I don't see why this is a bad thing. You can have a tablet, phone, and laptop all in sync without thinking about it.

Re:Why? (1)

CohibaVancouver (864662) | more than 3 years ago | (#35436456)

I guess I don't understand why one would want to launch WebOS applications when they're sitting at their desktop or laptop

I would like to be able to run iPad apps on my windows laptop. If I could run iOS on my laptop I could do that.

Same deal here.

Consumer Linux Is Dead? (3, Interesting)

Frosty Piss (770223) | more than 3 years ago | (#35435268)

...Yet they will not take even consumer friendly Ubuntu seriously. IS the idea of Linux as a consumer friendly OS a dead end?

Re:Consumer Linux Is Dead? (5, Informative)

Samantha Wright (1324923) | more than 3 years ago | (#35435314)

Well, um, webOS is Linux [wikipedia.org] . Does that help?

Also, there's this thing [wikipedia.org] , which you may have heard of.

Re:Consumer Linux Is Dead? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35435614)

Why don't you FUCK OFF with your High School Sarcasm, you fucking MORON. You know what the Parent is saying, you just want to strut around with you BALLS hanging out for everyone to see. What are you, like 17 or 18?

Re:Consumer Linux Is Dead? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35435840)

Yes, it's completely clear what the parent is saying: that consumer Linux is dead.

The parent was, of course, completely wrong. Consumer Linux is bigger than it's ever been, and growing rapidly.

And seriously, get help for your rage issues. If you don't, I'm afraid you'll hurt yourself, or someone else.

Re:Consumer Linux Is Dead? (1)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 3 years ago | (#35436278)

Consumer Linux is bigger than it's ever been, and growing rapidly.

The malware writers will shift their focus to mobile devices rather than desktop Linux. That's good news to home Linux users who value privacy and don't give a fuck about smartphones and yapping about incessant bullshit 24/7.

In fact, I'm fucking somebody who literally keeps waking up in the middle of the night just to text her friends about how I stuffed her with my fat dick. Annoying.

Re:Consumer Linux Is Dead? (1)

Frosty Piss (770223) | more than 3 years ago | (#35435664)

It's still a crippled OS even compared to Windows.

Re:Consumer Linux Is Dead? (1)

Stan Vassilev (939229) | more than 3 years ago | (#35435756)

...Yet they will not take even consumer friendly Ubuntu seriously. IS the idea of Linux as a consumer friendly OS a dead end?

Consumer friendly would mean at least as easy as Windows (you'd think it's not a high bar), and to have all apps users would want/need.

On this basis, I'd say the closest to consumer friendly Linux has ever gotten is Android, and their app market is doing worse than iOS / Windows Phone 7 right now (amazing for WP7, didn't expect that in mere 4 months).

And that's mobile, nothing on the desktop. So if you see such an animal as a consumer friendly Linux on the desktop, let me know.

Maybe Chrome OS. Maybe. Looks pretty bad right now.

Re:Consumer Linux Is Dead? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35435868)

On this basis, I'd say the closest to consumer friendly Linux has ever gotten is Android, and their app market is doing worse than iOS / Windows Phone 7 right now [...]

[[citation needed]]

Re:Consumer Linux Is Dead? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35435938)

You know, once you get past the SlashBias, most people actually do like the Windows experience. If the only people you talk to about this kind of thing are Slashdotters then you're going to have a skewed view of thing.
 
And Microsoft set some pretty modest expectations from WP7 and met them quickly. Could it just be that Android and iPhone don't have as much a lock on the market as they first thought? When I first got my Android I thought it was the best thing since sliced bread but the experience keeps getting worse and worse. I've found several issues with the phone and all the forums pretty much read like every Linux forum I've ever went to on problems... Tons of users with the same issues and no real answers.

Re:Consumer Linux Is Dead? (0)

zaivala (887815) | more than 3 years ago | (#35436106)

I take it you don't find Ubuntu as easy as Windows? I find it much easier, not to mention finding support is much easier and faster. It doesn't have all the apps you want/need? WINE runs most Windows programs, and Crossover runs virtually all of them, plus GNU/Linux has replacement apps that, for the most part, run every bit as well or better than Windows apps, and for a lot less money (Crossover itself is $39.95, WINE is free, and most Linux apps are free).

Re:Consumer Linux Is Dead? (1)

Reapman (740286) | more than 3 years ago | (#35436172)

Worse then Windows Phone 7's market? Seriously?

I've read a few places that the Windows Marketplace just hit 9000 apps.

http://money.cnn.com/2011/03/09/technology/wac_wholesale_applications/ [cnn.com]

According to that they have 9500, which is a far cry from Android's 200k+ and iPhone's 300k+

Re:Consumer Linux Is Dead? (2)

Attila Dimedici (1036002) | more than 3 years ago | (#35436354)

Consumer friendly would mean at least as easy as Windows (you'd think it's not a high bar), and to have all apps users would want/need.

I have an Ubuntu PC that runs all of the apps I need...and they were all free. The only place that it does not match up is in gaming and my understanding is that if I were to buy Crossover, that would be solved.
As far as ease of use goes, I found it no harder to learn to use than it was to learn to use a Macintosh and everybody keeps telling me that a Mac is easier to use than Windows.

Re:Consumer Linux Is Dead? (2)

TheRealMindChild (743925) | more than 3 years ago | (#35435856)

GNU/Linux? Sure. You just need to get away from the "I am a unix" mentality. It forces the system into the users face. No user wants to know how or why things happen. They just want it all to work. Ubuntu is close as you will get if you keep hanging onto that paradigm.

anonops (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35435276)

The Web site of Broadcast Music Inc. (BMI) is down.

Re:anonops (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35435390)

No one's stopping you from submitting an article about it.

Great success (1)

MrEricSir (398214) | more than 3 years ago | (#35435278)

I'm sure this will be a raging success, a truly innovative and high quality product, just like everything else HP has produced in the past decade.

Re:Great success (1)

JamesTRexx (675890) | more than 3 years ago | (#35435538)

It sounds like you're sarcastic, but we still have beter experience with HP than other brands. Maybe using Windows as a step to get more people to use WebOS applications isn't such a bad idea. I mean, most users just use the computer to mail, watch videos on Youtube and stalk eachother on Facebook, how much of a stretch is it to jump from Windows to an OS that only needs to connect you to the internet and run your choice of browser?

Re:Great success (2)

zaivala (887815) | more than 3 years ago | (#35436138)

Give this guy irony points. My HP desktop has nannyware built into it that forces me to reinstall the operating system if I install anything that modifies the MBR (e..g, most distros of Linux, as dual boot). Nobody has yet shown me how to disable that, and several attempts have only caused me to, yup, reinstall the software. The only way around this is to install Linux outright, and throw my Windoze disks out.

Good News (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35435292)

Great Idea.

YeahThanksButNoThanks (2, Insightful)

pla (258480) | more than 3 years ago | (#35435334)

Aaaaand... One more reason why my first task on any new OEM PC boils down to "wipe and reinstall the OS".

I honestly don't know if I "like" WebOS or not yet, but if I want a Windows PC, I damned well want a Windows PC, not a frankenbox designed to push some crack-addled CEO's latest cross-marketing wet dreams on an otherwise unwilling audience.

Re:YeahThanksButNoThanks (1)

nospam007 (722110) | more than 3 years ago | (#35435830)

I guess Decrapifier http://www.pcdecrapifier.com/ [pcdecrapifier.com] will include that too.

Note To Self: (2)

cozzbp (1845636) | more than 3 years ago | (#35435346)

Continue to purchase anything but HP.

Re:Note To Self: (1)

Bardez (915334) | more than 3 years ago | (#35435750)

"Continue" being the point of interest in there. My only HP laptop had its display panel die just after 2 years. My friend's HP laptop has component failure every 4-6 months, it seems.

Re:Note To Self: (1)

danlip (737336) | more than 3 years ago | (#35436520)

My last HP laptop was 10 years ago, the hard drive died in less than 1 year and I had to take it in twice before I could convince the idiots at the authorized service center that my hard drive was going bad - it was making the click of death and running extremely slowly because of drive errors, so it should not have been hard to diagnose. Bad drives can happen to anyone but should not been a hassle to get them fixed. Apple on the other hand just replaces my parts when I complain, no questions. Dell seems pretty good too but my experience with them has just been corporate machines with gold-plated service contracts. I won't be buying HP anyway so I don't care what bloatware they load on it.

No balls. HP is doomed. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35435350)

Part of the reason why these OEM's will keep seeing their Desktop PC margins disappear is because they can't commit to a single vision and execute it properly.

What kind of a message does it send when you're spreading your bets across two half-baked platforms? Dual booting is seen as bipolar behavior by consumers. Make your choice and push forward. Dont' force the consumer or the developer to make the hard choices. You're the device supplier, you should make the decision.

Choice isn't always a good thing. Markets, Consumers, Developers â" they all like a clear, decisive path. Not a shit sandwich that forces your to burn calories and look for trade-offs.

HP's message with this: "We don't know what the fuck we're doing."

I don't care (4, Insightful)

shellster_dude (1261444) | more than 3 years ago | (#35435382)

No matter what a PC comes with, the first thing I do is slash and burn and install whatever I want. There's no way I'm going to put up with all the bloatware and possible malicious software the vendor installed.

Re:I don't care (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35435454)

Yep one more POS junk to uninstall...

Re:I don't care (1)

zdepthcharge (1792770) | more than 3 years ago | (#35435640)

Especially on an HP machine.

Re:I don't care (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35435826)

At least you have a higher chance of it running linux flawlessly though. I remember when the EeePC came out, I bought one and replaced the OS with Ubuntu. One of the key selling points for me was that it was shipped with a working version of one linux distribution.

Hang on (1)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 3 years ago | (#35435394)

Do people still actually buy HP computers?

Re:Hang on (2)

MightyYar (622222) | more than 3 years ago | (#35435632)

Surely you jest? They sell more than anyone else.

Re:Hang on (1)

camperdave (969942) | more than 3 years ago | (#35436412)

People? No. Corporations? In droves.

Re:Hang on (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35436530)

ISPs hand HP boxes out in a bungle with their service here.

Following Apple (1)

lotho brandybuck (720697) | more than 3 years ago | (#35435400)

Only 10 years after Apple put Unix on consumer desktops!

Re:Following Apple (4, Funny)

grub (11606) | more than 3 years ago | (#35435514)

This is running on top of Windows, though.

It'd be like driving a Lamborghini on a canoe.

Glad to see (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35435452)

That /. Is as close-minded and resistant to change as ever. None of you know any details of how this will work, and I'm betting most of you have never even used WebOS, yet you immediately shit on HP and proclaim you'll never buy their products again.

Posted from my Palm Pre, running WebOS 2.1.

Re:Glad to see (1)

jejones (115979) | more than 3 years ago | (#35435674)

Link to, or instructions on how to, upgrade a Pre to 2.1, please?

Re:Glad to see (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35435816)

http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_2_Upgrade

Have fun.

Re:Glad to see (1)

sglewis100 (916818) | more than 3 years ago | (#35436162)

http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_2_Upgrade

Have fun.

Wow. So if I have an AT&T Pre Plus, I can run 2.X but not use apps that require 2.X. On Sprint you'll lose navigation and network updates. On Verizon I guess it works okay. Other than that, the instructions weren't TOO complicated (but still way above Joe Consumer), until I got to the part about enabling flash.

I'm not sure this is really "just as good" as a HP supported upgrade.

Re:Glad to see (1)

Qubit (100461) | more than 3 years ago | (#35435716)

That /. Is as close-minded and resistant to change as ever. None of you know any details of how this will work, and I'm betting most of you have never even used WebOS

Okay, I'll bite: Why should I run WebOS?

I usually run Ubuntu or Debian, and I have an Android phone because it's the closest thing out there to a generic FOSS system on my phone (MeeGo ain't there yet, and OpenMoko doesn't cut it).

I run Windows for a few very specific applications that various employers want me to run (although I'm weaning them off), and I test websites and various pieces of software on OSX, when necessary.

What can WebOS offer me?

Re:Glad to see (1)

Funk_dat69 (215898) | more than 3 years ago | (#35436470)

Unfortunately, the quantity of apps is lacking, but as a fan of FOSS, you may be interested in how much WebOS has in common with other Linux distributions.
Kernel 2.6.14
glib, udev, lvm, WebKit, gStreamer, etc

Take a look here:
http://opensource.palm.com/1.4.5/index.html [palm.com]

If you install a terminal app and take a look around, it looks much like a standard Linux system. Often times Linux apps compiled for arm just work.

To answer you question: Freedom! Palm (now HP) have been encouraging people to hack/extend/play around with the system. It's a great little Linux system with a top notch interface(Luma). It's a shame that it's so ignored.

That being said, I have no idea what this "webOS on a PC" means. it may just be the Luma interface running on windows, which just sounds 'ick'.

Hepic Phail (1)

Pope Raymond Lama (57277) | more than 3 years ago | (#35435476)

"Launch on top of Windows" - A.K.A. an emulator app (even if through a virtual machine, nonetheless it will be an emulator for something that allows web OS apps launch seamlessly on windows ... none of whcih I can see as anything close of newsworthy)

more crapware (1)

swschrad (312009) | more than 3 years ago | (#35435486)

and I bet there is not a restore disk for either system in the box. here's a nickel, Leo, go buy a clue.

Re:more crapware (1)

Samantha Wright (1324923) | more than 3 years ago | (#35435616)

ADVENTURES IN GRAMMAR NAZISM: Technically it should be a semicolon after "Leo"; tell all your friends. Save the semicolon!

Re:more crapware (1)

Xtifr (1323) | more than 3 years ago | (#35435828)

Technically, it should be something other than a comma, but the semicolon is only one of a number of options. It could be a period, an exclamation point, an em-dash, or even (though it would give a slightly archaic feel) a colon. Simply inserting the word "to" before "go" would also fix the problem.

I'm also a fan of the semicolon, but—unfortunately—the only time it's mandatory in English is in a list of lists.

what what WHAT?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35435504)

This would be great news! I (as much as anyone who has used PCs for the past fifteen years) am sick and tired of Windows. If HP can pre-load this Web OS along with Windows, maybe they can eventually get developers' attention focused on the alternatives whilst still satisfying Windows consumers.

  As a die-hard PC user, I don't care what system it is, as long as I don't have to put up with Windows anymore. Thus pre-loading another system is a step in the right direction.

less is more. really. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35435554)

Yet more bloatware for me to remove from new machines that my company buys, oh joy. :)

UI and processor (2)

mr100percent (57156) | more than 3 years ago | (#35435596)

This brings up several questions. WebOS is a dedicated touchscreen app. Using one of those OSes with a mouse is much less appealing and doesn't feel as productive. Ever tried running the iOS emulator (comes with the SDK) or somesuch? It's just not meant for it.

Also, wouldn't you have to recompile all the apps? ARM is a different processor

Re:UI and processor (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35435678)

The fancy thing about WebOS (indeed, the reason it's called WebOS) is that apps are mostly written in HTML and CSS. Only things that really require hardware access (mostly 3D games) are native code. So, really, most WebOS apps could run on any architecture unmodified.

Re:UI and processor (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35435862)

This brings up several questions. WebOS is a dedicated touchscreen app.

It would make sense to use it on a detachable touch-friendly LCD screen, connected to a PC via WiFi.

Re:UI and processor (2)

Antisyzygy (1495469) | more than 3 years ago | (#35436164)

HP has touchscreen desktop computers as well as touchscreens on some of their laptops. I suspect this means they will probably make this a standard feature on WebOS devices.

Dual boot it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35435622)

Instead of running within windows, run it instead of windows. This has been done before with laptops prompting to load a "quick browser" instead of loading a full windows OS.

Re:Dual boot it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35435744)

Instead of running within windows, run it instead of windows. This has been done before with laptops prompting to load a "quick browser" instead of loading a full windows OS.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if that's what they're considering doing in the long term, with this dual-OS setup that they're touting for 2012 as a way to get consumers used to the idea.

Could this be an Instant On operating system? (1)

Marrow (195242) | more than 3 years ago | (#35435642)

My laptop for instance has two power buttons. One brings up the normal OS loader, and the other brings up an instant-on OS to play media files and a browser. I never use it, but its an idea.
Put WebOS in its own partition. Let them choose it at boot time...or with its own power button. Heck, if its in ROM it could be pretty nifty.

Intel Giveth, Microsoft / HP Taketh Away (1)

extraordinaire (2010224) | more than 3 years ago | (#35435696)

I suppose from TFA that this is going to be run as a virtual machine layer. The last thing we need is yet another layer on our computers to slow them down even further. I suppose it will be ironic, however, if User-Friendly, Widely-Accepted Desktop Linux finally comes in the form of a product you run inside of Windows.

Dude (1)

swanzilla (1458281) | more than 3 years ago | (#35435746)

I'm gettin' a Dell.

Is there a poster on Slashdot who has a clue (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35435796)

Anyone posting so far ever used WebOS. In case you don't know, webOS was written by Palm, used on the Palm Pre, and even my 1.4.5 version of WebOS kicks the crap out of iOS for usability. The new versions and the new development model since HP bought Palm, can run entirely within the browser. Think in terms of super web toolkit. So any app you buy for your phone/pad can run on your desktop as well in your web browser. Not sure if they are planing on tightening the browser into core Windows a bit more, the way IE4 and 98 were tied together. If done right, will prove to be a boon to those who have a Palm/HP phone or Pad

What's WebOS? (1)

ubergeek65536 (862868) | more than 3 years ago | (#35435832)

Is that the one with cobwebs on it?

I will not accept free software! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35435944)

This is incredible! Who do these people think they are giving away potentially useful software for free! I'm happy to accept the free trials and bloated services they give me for free. But I'll be damned if I'm going to accept an alternative to the Windows environment for free. I'll stick with Apple where they charge me for everything, including updates. That really is the only civilized way to handle things. Free software is obviously a clear path to anarchy and must be opposed.

We finally have a date! (1)

gmuslera (3436) | more than 3 years ago | (#35436066)

2012 WILL be the year of the Linux (HP) Desktop.

Re:We finally have a date! (1)

StormReaver (59959) | more than 3 years ago | (#35436396)

2012 WILL be the year of the Linux (HP) Desktop.

Linux has been running my home desktops since 1999, and my work desktops since 2003. My wife loves it, and now despises Windows. On those rare occasions at work when I have to run Windows (for short amounts of time, fortunately), it feels primitive and unintuitive.

Dual Boot (1)

Dopeskills (636230) | more than 3 years ago | (#35436092)

It's just speculation that HP will ship WebOS on top of Windows. Maybe, what will really happen is that HP will provide a dual boot solution (think bootcamp) for customers so that they can boot WebOS as the primary operating system.

Re:Dual Boot (2)

ProppaT (557551) | more than 3 years ago | (#35436220)

This is what should and probably will happen.

I would be ecstatic if my next laptop gave me the option to press one button to launch windows or one button to launch an "instant boot" version of webOS. webOS would be much easier on the battery and, under most normal situations, webOS would offer all I need. A web browser and a few distractions.

It will never supplant a full blown OS and that's not the goal. But it would be great for those moments when you just want to reply to some e-mails real quick or browse the web.

!FOSS mobile users potentially gained 100k apps ?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35436324)

Talk about good news and a hell of a potential application boost.

A forum member/webOS developer ArthurThornton on preCentral began a discussion about getting Classic running on webOS 2, and then 2.1. Early this morning, he posted a detailed set of steps, including the files needed (and webOS Doctor versions from which they come), to get Classic working again; Arthur verified it on his newly-OTA-updated Pre 2, and other users are beginning to test as well (as will we).

We know that many of you have always seen Classic as a sort of disincentive for webOS innovation, but for others, Classic was and remains a mission-critical app. For those users, help has arrived.

- Now they are working on getting the emulator working on android and Blackberry OS.

Xizibit sez (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35436418)

Yo dawg, i heard you liked OSes so we put and OS on top of your OS so you can...... What exactly is the point of this again?

Re:Xizibit sez (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35436504)

it opens up the option for the users to use other applications not built for THAT platform and run them natively.

With the option of classic on WebOS 2.1 , and now them looking to port classic to android and rim in talks with google to run android roms on blackberry OS, it makes your openSource mobile device and blackberries 100x more powerful, 100x more valuable and now 100,000 times more lusted over by iPhone users :)

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