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OpenSUSE 11.4 Released

timothy posted more than 3 years ago | from the gott-sei-dank-fuer-release-names dept.

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MasterPatricko writes with good news from SUSE: "'We are proud to announce the launch of 11.4 in the openSUSE tradition of delivering the latest technology while maintaining stability. The 11.4 release brings significant improvements along with the latest in Free Software applications. Combined with the appearance of new tools, projects and services around the release, 11.4 marks a showcase of growth and vitality for the openSUSE Project!' This release is available now (direct download and bittorrent) as installable DVD or KDE/Gnome LiveCD images, as well as being installable over a network or as a live upgrade from a previous openSUSE release. Highlights include Linux kernel 2.6.37, improved package management, KDE SC 4.6.0, Gnome 2.32 with a preview of Gnome 3, Firefox 4.0, LibreOffice 3.3.1, and the debut of a rolling release project called Tumbleweed. 11.4 images are also already available for customization on SUSEstudio, and you can build your own packages for 11.4 and other GNU/Linux distros on the openSUSE Build Service."

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DOA? (3, Interesting)

socceroos (1374367) | more than 3 years ago | (#35448086)

What's openSUSE's future look like? Since Novell is slowly dying, are we going to see openSUSE fade from being the #2 / #3 distro?

Re:DOA? (2)

mackil (668039) | more than 3 years ago | (#35448110)

I hope not. It's the only Linux distro I can make work with my funky hardware straight out of the box.

Re:DOA? (1)

anshulajain (1359933) | more than 3 years ago | (#35449424)

+1, its the only distro that doesn't give up during boot and displays a blank screen, flickers after suspend to RAM (Ubuntu Lucid) and doesn't crash while working (Fedora 14).

Re:DOA? (3, Interesting)

syousef (465911) | more than 3 years ago | (#35448182)

What's openSUSE's future look like? Since Novell is slowly dying, are we going to see openSUSE fade from being the #2 / #3 distro?

According to distrowatch it's number 5, with about half the hits per day of Ubuntu which is number 1. I can't tell you it's future, but I do think this distro is high quality and arguably undervalued. If it fails it will be due to politics rather than on technical merits. It's good to have good technically competent alternatives (though possibly not as many as we have now!!!). It's certainly not a distro I want to see disappear.

Re:DOA? (3, Informative)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 3 years ago | (#35448416)

The problem with distrowatch numbers is they don't tell you how many people actually do installs, how many people keep their installs, etc. It's just a record of page hits.

For example, I've been using OpenSUSE since 9x ... and I didn't hit distrowatch even for that.

So, I went over to distrowatch, and it gives the OpenSUSE number as ~1200. Right now, I see 1,300 seeders and 2,200 leechers off the i586 and x86_64 dvd torrents, for a total of 3,500 - that's well over the number of people even looking at the ubuntu link, never mind actual downloads.

Re:DOA? (1)

syousef (465911) | more than 3 years ago | (#35448472)

I grant you distrowatch is far from perfect, but it's a better indication than none at all. If you know a better way to compare, I'm all ears.

Re:DOA? (4, Interesting)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 3 years ago | (#35448552)

I grant you distrowatch is far from perfect, but it's a better indication than none at all. If you know a better way to compare, I'm all ears.

Grab the torrents for each distro, and see how many people are downloading it at any one time. Maintain totals over the year, and that should give you a half-decent number. You'd be surprised at how OpenSUSE and Fedora are still quite active even late in their release cycles.

It works for the **AAs.

Re:DOA? (1)

goose-incarnated (1145029) | more than 3 years ago | (#35448870)

I wish I had modpoints, but I wasted them all on some stupid story when drunk (still drunk, so perhaps thats not a good comparison :-))

I'm making a note here to implement this soon (too good of an idea to simply forget); how should I credit you for it? "Tom Hudson"? "tomhudson (43916) from slashdot post, March 11-2011"? Let me know.

(ps. Yes, I actually am a researcher, but maintain my own blog of trivial research - see my sig for a link; perhaps you won't want your name associated with the type of trivial research on my blog?) Kind Regards

Re:DOA? (0)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 3 years ago | (#35449106)

I'm glad you like the idea ... as for the credit, if you want to give credit, that's fine. Barbara Hudson, with either a link back here or to the site in my profile (xmlsucks.com), works for me :-)

Looking at your blog, I noticed a third option missing in the logic of the death penalty, and a slight boo-boo:

1. The death penalty does reduce crime^Wmurder rates.
2. The death penalty has no effect on crime^Wmurder rates.
3. The death penalty increases murder rates.

You are comparing murder rates, not overall crime stats, wrt whether the country has a death penalty or not.

Now on option # 3 - the death penalty might increase murder rates, since people who've already killed have less incentive not to kill again, even if they haven't yet been caught for the original murder.

You also sort of mixed the two here:

Is capital punishment a significant enough deterrent to capital crimes?”. In other words, does having and handing out the death penalty frighten criminals into not becoming criminals?

These are two separate questions. One concerns the correlation between capital punishment and one specific crime (murder), the other the correlation between capital punishment and criminal behavior in general.

It also ignores euthanasia (/me dons flame-retardant panties), which can be classified as a separate category of crime, a homicide, or not a crime depending on jurisdiction and circumstance.

The second question, I guess/hope, will be looked at in one of your follow-up articles, as you hinted at the bottom of that one :-)

There's no simple answer, as your stats show.

Re:DOA? (0)

AK Marc (707885) | more than 3 years ago | (#35449490)

It also ignores euthanasia (/me dons flame-retardant panties), which can be classified as a separate category of crime, a homicide, or not a crime depending on jurisdiction and circumstance.

Euthanasia is homicide. Homicide is the act of killing another. It may or may not be a crime. Where I grew up, there was no crime named "homicide." Instead, Texas has a heading of "criminal homicide" encompassing those types of homicide which may be crimes. http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/PE/htm/PE.19.htm [state.tx.us] I use that rather than where I currently am because having lived so long in TX, I've pretty much read all the statutes through at least once, often more. Though the point is homicide is often incorrectly given as a shortened version of "negligent homicide" or such. It isn't. It's each and every case of a human taking the life of another, whether through euthanasia, war, murder, etc.

There's no simple answer, as your stats show.

Personally, I find it interesting that the "small government" party wants capital punishment. When the cost to kill a prisoner is higher than just imprisoning them until they die of old age. It would seem to me that anyone interested in "small government" would want the cheaper solution, not the most expensive one. So whatever the "logical" answer is, I would expect that would be irrelevant to most people's choices. People choose based on the value of life, the need for vengeance, and such, without great care to the actual crime stats.

Re:DOA? (1)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 3 years ago | (#35449976)

A carefully reasoned, correct, non-inflammatory comment - are you sure you want to post this on slashdot? :-)

You are, of course, correct about the term "homicide". Thanks for the correction.

Re:DOA? (1)

TheLink (130905) | more than 3 years ago | (#35452224)

Where I grew up, there was no crime named "homicide." Instead, Texas has a heading of "criminal homicide" encompassing those types of homicide which may be crimes

Not surprised that Texans are less likely to confuse homicide with criminal homicide, after all they're more familiar with the phrase "needed killing" :).

Re:DOA? (1)

pnutjam (523990) | more than 3 years ago | (#35452322)

Less chance for scope creep after capital punishment. If you have prisoners lying around, things are going to expand and change. Change is the real problem for conservatives.

What is this small government party you talk about...? I don't think we have one of those anymore. :-(

Re:DOA? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35449218)

This doesn't work for rolling release distros like Arch Linux. They are downloaded once and then never again, my installation is three years old and wouldn't count.

Re:DOA? (1)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 3 years ago | (#35449464)

Good point, but the same can also be said about distros like OpenSUSE that let you do an in-place upgrade over the net. The way I figure it, we won't get absolute numbers (after all, one download probably equals more than one install), but the ratios should be a start ...

Re:DOA? (1)

syousef (465911) | more than 3 years ago | (#35449758)

Grab the torrents for each distro, and see how many people are downloading it at any one time. Maintain totals over the year, and that should give you a half-decent number. cycles.

Not everyone uses torrents so that's no better than distrowatch.

Re:DOA? (1)

LordVader717 (888547) | more than 3 years ago | (#35450592)

That assumes that torrents are a good indicator. I don't think they are.

Ubuntu encourage people to download from the main server and don't show the torrent links on the front page, wheras SUSE do. Also, Ubuntu's standard distro is a 600MB CD, wheras SUSE have a 4.5GB DVD, so there's more incentive to use the faster Bittorrent option.

Re:DOA? (1)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 3 years ago | (#35451828)

No indicator is perfect, and SuSE actually encourages people to do in-place upgrades over the net (change the repositories, upgrade), not full re-installs. SuSE also offers downloadable CDs as well, and these too will also let you download additional packages, same as everyone else.

It is what it is - another data point :-) Unless you want to go back to the spyware that Ubuntu tried to slip in with the canonical-census package [slashdot.org] ...

Re:DOA? (1)

timbo234 (833667) | more than 3 years ago | (#35450750)

There's an even better way than that - measuring the number of unique IPs which hit the update servers to download security and bug fix updates.

Opensuse has done this for years: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Statistics [opensuse.org]

Re:DOA? (1)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 3 years ago | (#35451834)

There's an even better way than that - measuring the number of unique IPs which hit the update servers to download security and bug fix updates.

Opensuse has done this for years: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Statistics [opensuse.org]

That's pretty neat! Can we get the same figures from other distros.

Re:DOA? (1)

KugelKurt (908765) | more than 3 years ago | (#35594004)

Two or so years ago Canonical announced that Ubuntu has 8 million users (google yourself for the source). IIRC the number was based on update server connections.

Re:DOA? (1)

JackieBrown (987087) | more than 3 years ago | (#35448598)

We could have all distros install a voluntary package to send installation records to distrowatch servers.

Whether or not anyone would actually chose to install that package is anyones guess.

Maybe the linux counter could keep distro usage?

Re:DOA? (5, Informative)

MasterPatricko (1414887) | more than 3 years ago | (#35448814)

There are some statistics based on unique IPs asking for updates on en.opensuse.or/Statistics [opensuse.org] . Obviously YMMV with those numbers.

Lebbux - 100% halal! (0)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 3 years ago | (#35450768)

You mean it doesn't say in the koran?

Re:DOA? (1)

rubycodez (864176) | more than 3 years ago | (#35448630)

Even though it's 5 months since Ubuntu 10.10 came out, there are 4000 seeders of i386 and 1800 of x86-64, plus of the alternate install cd 800 for i386 and 600 for x86-64. Your SuSE loosEs 8D

Re:DOA? (1)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 3 years ago | (#35448820)

Wait a few days - the opensuse numbers will climb. Not everyone downloads the first day.

Re:DOA? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35451366)

also, who cares? it's not a fucking competition. or, if it was, suse wins because it's actually making money out of suse linux enterprise, while canonical is still not turning a profit.

Re:DOA? (2)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 3 years ago | (#35453172)

Good points. Of course, if we're keeping score, the big winner is actually RedHat, who makes more revenue (and profit) than all the other distros combined.

Re:DOA? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35455252)

Also very true.

So if we've got to make it a competition for some daft reason, it probably goes like this:

Gold Medal: Red Hat
Silver Medal: SUSE

No-one else wins because they didn't cross the finish line.

Inclusion of Mono killed SuSE for me. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35451350)

Inclusion of Mono killed SuSE for me. Unfortunately, the DVD isn't even as complete as the Mandriva one. When will the boxed sets begin to include the majority of the distribution? All they seem to want to do is give you a partial dump on DVD (or CD) and expect you to connect to their webserver to update or get anything useful (like, for example, a complete development environment including kernel headers for writing drivers).

Re:Inclusion of Mono killed SuSE for me. (1)

DuckDodgers (541817) | more than 3 years ago | (#35452370)

If you don't like Mono, remove it. What's the big deal?

Re:Inclusion of Mono killed SuSE for me. (1)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 3 years ago | (#35453150)

I'll address your points as best possible:

Re: Mono: I'm running 11.3 and there's no mono on either my laptop or my desktop. Just go to the package manager and remove the mono base library, and everything it depends on will also be removed :-)

Re: No kernel source on DVD: The DVD includes lots of desktops, lots of software, lots of tools, lots of applications, lots of servers, ... and lots of languages. The kernel source for 11.3 is 334.5 megs. Most people don't need to compile a kernel any more. Including everything that's available from the OpenSUSE repositories would make it a multi-dvd download; including the source as well would just make it even bigger.

One of my previous thoughts about how updates are performed apparently has been addressed in this release. Instead of downloading updates and additions sequentially, multiple updates will be grabbed simultaneously, which should make updating quicker.

Re: Boxed sets don't include a complete development environment, including kernel, etc.: You can always build a distro that contains exactly what you want: https://build.opensuse.org/ [opensuse.org] ...

Re:Inclusion of Mono killed SuSE for me. (1)

KugelKurt (908765) | more than 3 years ago | (#35594050)

Mono is not included in openSUSE by default because openSUSE defaults to KDE SC an no KDE application on the DVD is written using Mono (I know of no KDE app at all that's written using Mono).

openSUSE ships Mono as part of the non-default GNOME installation but so do Debian, Ubuntu,... and all other GNOME distributions that install Tomboy, Banshee,... by default.

Re:DOA? (3, Interesting)

Kr0m (900780) | more than 3 years ago | (#35448250)

Novell isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Furthermore, SUSE would continue to live on even if Novell went down under. It has a wide community and a strong presence in the enterprise environment. Plenty of other companies would be more than interested in buying the operating system even if just to keep the duopoly with Red Hat. Excellent products come out with SUSE continuously and it would be hard to replace it's place as it has proven to be a very usable desktop aswell as a solid server.

Re:DOA? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35448430)

Well considering Novell no longer owns SuSE and openSUSE it is irrelevant what happens to Novell

Re:DOA? (1)

HAKdragon (193605) | more than 3 years ago | (#35448492)

Novell isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Furthermore, SUSE would continue to live on even if Novell went down under.

Attachmate's Australian? Hmm, could make Brainshare more interesting.

Re:DOA? (1)

mcdmgsmith7475 (2003138) | more than 3 years ago | (#35449994)

When I was I going to college back in 2000, the flavor being pushed by Baker College, Michigan, was Netware 5.0 & 5.1, exclusively for Computer Networking. Netware was a DOS based Network Operating system (NDS) They preached that DOS was the most stable "bottom end" to build your NET OS on for your business! I thought, DOS???????? I knew of MS and their affiliation with DOS and I found that extremely troublesome. NDS "IS" what AD 'copied' from. At the moment I am a retired Family Man that became a Red Hat 5.5 admin that got tired of reporting to Microsoft ignorance at the corporate level. Corporate would hire MS interns that knew "ZILCH" about Unix/Linux. I am now on the verge of owning my own McDonalds Restaurant in McDonalds. I like Novell going to Linux. It just makes scents!!! Words of advice!!! OWN your OWN Business and be done with reporting to someone other than yourself.

Re:DOA? (2)

GCsoftware (68281) | more than 3 years ago | (#35450106)

I believe this expresses my feelings with regards to your fine, coherent, insightful comment: Excuse me good sir, but LOLWUT? [sampsa.com]

Re:DOA? (1)

mcl630 (1839996) | more than 3 years ago | (#35450546)

I like Novell going to Linux. It just makes scents!!!

It smells?

Re:DOA? (1)

swalve (1980968) | more than 3 years ago | (#35468924)

Netware wasn't DOS based. DOS was just the OS that loaded the Netware kernel.

Re:DOA? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35448396)

What's openSUSE's future look like? Since Novell is slowly dying, are we going to see openSUSE fade from being the #2 / #3 distro?

What's Linux's future look like?

Re:DOA? (1)

ocdscouter (1922930) | more than 3 years ago | (#35448590)

What's openSUSE's future look like? Since Novell is slowly dying, are we going to see openSUSE fade from being the #2 / #3 distro?

What's Linux's future look like?

Well, I've heard that the Year of the Linux Desktop if right around the corner.

Re:DOA? (1)

andrea.sartori (1603543) | more than 3 years ago | (#35462582)

What's openSUSE's future look like? Since Novell is slowly dying, are we going to see openSUSE fade from being the #2 / #3 distro?

What's Linux's future look like?

What's the world's future look like?

Re:DOA? (1)

world_citizen (33348) | more than 3 years ago | (#35451382)

What's openSUSE's future look like? Since Novell is slowly dying, are we going to see openSUSE fade from being the #2 / #3 distro?

First of all I don't know if Novell is dying. Novell is Acquired by Attachmate Corporation [novell.com] .

Secondly the openSuSE community is very big and is operating on more or less independently from Novell.

Even if Novell would dying I think other companies would by the SuSE part with SLES. As SLES quality is also due to the openSuSE quality I don't think a owner of SLES would not support openSuSE.

I as a openSuSE packages still foresee a bright future for openSUSE [opensuse.org] and SLES also because the community around openSuSE is growing. And there are great projects within openSuSE like the openSUSE Build Service [opensuse.org] (Multi distro packaging framework), SUSE Studio [susestudio.com] (Build a custom distro), etc

Re:DOA? (1)

red crab (1044734) | more than 3 years ago | (#35451420)

openSUSE is very much alive and kicking. It is less buggy and faster than Fedora. Proprietary hardware support is good and plus if you add the Packman repositories, you get tons of free packages ranging from games to media players.

I've been using openSUSE 11.2 x64 for more than a year now after a decade of experience with Fedora and a considerable experience with Ubuntu; and have found that it is a grossly underrated distro; at least outside Germany.

Re:DOA? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35451656)

Novell is not dying, just acquired by an investors that actually wants to run a real business. As of SUSE, they doing great, man. Last quarter 40% up.

Re:DOA? (1)

jospoortvliet (1613525) | more than 3 years ago | (#35454708)

Considering that we are working on a Foundation and Attachmate has been very positive about openSUSE (even had some attachmaties join our marketing channel during the launch) I'd say we're going nowhere else but forward ;-)

OK BUT WHERE IS THE APPLE TIE-IN?? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35448106)

Steven Jobs not even mentioned? What kind of slashdot is this becoming now?

Windows 7 (0, Redundant)

TheSeeker11 (1061698) | more than 3 years ago | (#35448172)

I was a die-hard Linux user (stretching back to Libranet) till Windows 7 came out. It's just that good.

Re:Windows 7 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35448242)

Hahahah Mr. Ballmer, you almost caught me this time!

Re:Windows 7 (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35448280)

I NO ME 2 RIGHT LOLZ WIN7 FTW ROFL

Re:Windows 7 (0)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 3 years ago | (#35448304)

-1 Incomprehensible Text By Fucking Retard

Re:Windows 7 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35449796)

+1 Withering Sarcasm?

Re:Windows 7 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35451270)

-1 for totally missing the fucking point. Are you a total idiot? Or just another self-diagonsed aspie?

Re:Windows 7 (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 3 years ago | (#35453634)

At least I talk in English you half-witted pile of dog crap.

Re:Windows 7 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35453700)

For someone so proud of their English you sure are stupid. Stupid, humorless or, very probably, both.

Re:Windows 7 (0)

LordVader717 (888547) | more than 3 years ago | (#35450612)

That's because it's just debian with a few custom themes.

Installed (1)

snookiex (1814614) | more than 3 years ago | (#35448502)

I'm not a big fan of [Open]SUSE, since I think there's always something missing in every version, but I installed the KDE flavor in my personal laptop and I will rollback to my old Debian again. Slow installation (I already had a /home partition and it took about 10 minutes only "preparing the configuration" with a heavy I/O load), slow package manager as usual (compared to synaptic. Zypper is quite good in contrast), KDE is once again a bloated monster (Akonadi stole 200MB of my home directory and the network manager looks cool, but has too many unnecessary stuff. Well, that's not an oS issue, but counts) and the default Firefox look and feel is ugly (seems that there's no GTK/Qt out of the box integration). Maybe I give the GNOME version a try this weekend.

Re:Installed (1)

nzac (1822298) | more than 3 years ago | (#35448806)

Slow installation (I already had a /home partition and it took about 10 minutes only "preparing the configuration" with a heavy I/O load), slow package manager as usual (compared to synaptic. Zypper is quite good in contrast), KDE is once again a bloated monster (Akonadi stole 200MB of my home directory and the network manager looks cool, but has too many unnecessary stuff.

I remember the installer interface lagging when installing RC1 and 11.3 but the config has never taken more than 30 secs. Your sentence is confusing but i would not call zypper slow (slower mirrors and lzma decompression might influence it though).

You can turn network manager off in yast and set it up to use 'ifup' which works well if for my desktop with a wired connection. If you really care about resources you can install the latest xfce.

Re:Installed (1)

snookiex (1814614) | more than 3 years ago | (#35449790)

What I meant was: Yast is low as zypper frontend but zypper from the command line works like a charm (why are the repositories marked to refresh automatically by default on Yast? why are there a lot of suggested packages marked to be installed?). The network manager has a lot of unnecessary stuff (1/4 of the screen? WTF!). Anyway, I installed Mint-Debian and I'm very happy with it.

Re:Installed (1)

nzac (1822298) | more than 3 years ago | (#35450318)

I suspect that if you installed from the live CD the 700MB limit was too small and they thought you might need some more packages (libre office is pretty big to fit on a live CD). You might be able to click undo and does not say again.

I would think that network manager would be useful if you have so many wireless options to take up a quarter of the screen. After you have picked the network you want you never have open the drop down menu again it will just default to the last used.

Re:Installed (1)

jatemack (870255) | more than 3 years ago | (#35449342)

For me OpenSUSE was the easiest to install on my old PC during my first try of linux a while ago (10.4?). Perhaps the bloat allows for installing on many different hardware configurations that a user could trim down once installed, whereas Ubuntu would just hang during install after multiple CD burn attemps, versions, etc.
Yast was pretty easy to use and overall I liked the user experience.

Re:Installed (2)

snookiex (1814614) | more than 3 years ago | (#35449822)

I've been using openSUSE intermittently since version 8.2 (the SuSE times) and yet easy to install and configure (Yast is a great tool) it always lacks or something or just fails with the basic. I'm not really saying OS is bloated, but KDE. I was a KDE die hard user, but in some point (4.0) they lost their way (Activities? Plasma? Amarok 2.x?). Sorry, but I will stick to OpenBox/GNOME.

Re:Installed (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35449842)

The reason SUSE's package management is so slow is that it essentially does the equivalent of an apt-get update *every time* it initializes, unless they've changed it in 11.4. It's a good system if you use third-party repositories that update rather frequently, as a lot of people end up doing.

Re:Installed (1)

TheLink (130905) | more than 3 years ago | (#35452304)

From 9.x to 10.x I remember yast taking up hundreds of megabytes of memory just to check for updates. It was very very slow.Yast was almost a swear word in our dept ;). I believe at some stage we switched to another package manager.

Looking at the bug reports it wasn't just us who noticed.

Re:Installed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35452956)

...and now we're at 11.4. Why not give it a shot, rather than trying to perpetuate the myth that yast is slow? If you want slow these days, you should try yum...

Re:Installed (1)

TheLink (130905) | more than 3 years ago | (#35453434)

Where's your evidence supporting your claim that it's a myth. Even the other AC says:

The reason SUSE's package management is so slow is that it essentially does the equivalent of an apt-get update *every time* it initializes,

In case you don't understand, he doesn't say it isn't slow. He's giving an excuse for why it is slow.

Re:Installed (1)

KugelKurt (908765) | more than 3 years ago | (#35594088)

Zypper was largely rewritten for openSUSE 11.0. It's lightning fast since then.
Whenever a new openSUSE release comes out, the server are hammered. They are likely the bottleneck if anything appears slow but that's nothing in the package manager's hands.

Netcraft confirms it: OpenSUSE is dying (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35448726)

etc. etc.

Why OpenSuse? (1)

SimonTS (1984074) | more than 3 years ago | (#35448874)

Why report this particular distro as opposed to any others? Fusion Linux 14 also came out today, as did Vinux 3.0.1 - which is possibly more newsworthy given that it is targeted specifically at blind and visually-impaired users. Now that is newsworthy I feel - the attempt to make they technology we have available to as many people as possible, people who you wouldn't have thought would be able to use a computer.

Re:Why OpenSuse? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35449848)

Why report this particular distro as opposed to any others? Fusion Linux 14 also came out today, as did Vinux 3.0.1

Because no one gives a shit.
Of course you can report it on your personal blog if you want and see how many hits you get.
Any other questions.

Re:Why OpenSuse? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35449876)

Little distros wouldn't even garner the 30 comments this article has.

Wait.. maybe it would, but it would be "Who the fuck cares?" comments.

Re:Why OpenSuse? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35451310)

Oh my God tell me more! What is this Fusion Linux 14 of which you speak? How about Vinux 3.0.1, targetted specifically at blind users, who are guaranteed to be amongst the largest groupings in Slashdot's readership demographics? We need to know! Who cares about details of one of the largest and most important distributions, used as a basis for one of the two largest supported server distributions? Fuck SuSE! And fuck their insane changes to the capitalisation of their name! We want to know more about shitty little distributions aimed at niche users!

Posted 2.5 hours ago and only 29 comments? (0)

PNutts (199112) | more than 3 years ago | (#35449392)

Not only did the entire openSUSE user base comment here, some of them more than once.

Re:Posted 2.5 hours ago and only 29 comments? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35449898)

we got better things to do - like bitching about thumbleweed!

Clean update (1)

AaronW (33736) | more than 3 years ago | (#35449888)

I upgraded a couple of machines from 11.3 to 11.4 and everything went very smoothly and just worked. I've found OpenSUSE to be fairly stable and I like the fact that out of the box it has full LVM and RAID support and easily recognized my LVM setup from before.

The installation went quickly and seemed faster than 11.3 when I installed off of a DVD. It feels faster than 11.3 as well.

-Aaron

SLES/openSuse installs are everywhere (5, Informative)

bored (40072) | more than 3 years ago | (#35450122)

Just not in your moms basement. I have yet to see a copy of ubuntu running in a corporate environment. On the other hand, i've seen openSUSE on peoples desktops, and SLES running in data center after data center. Look at the large OEM's linux support list. Usually its RedHat and SLES, and there is a reason. Part of that has to do with the long support cycles, the rest has to do with testing and support of "enterprise hardware". For example, zSeries mainframes, 10G ethernet, SAS, fibre channel, 300+TB RAID arrays, you quickly find that the "popular" distributions don't work. For that matter, the last time I installed ubuntu it took 20 minutes to convince it to work properly in a vmware session, it kept disconnecting the network because it's MAC detection layer wasn't working properly with the vmware adapter. Heck probably 50% of the hardware I own won't run ubuntu. (50% of my personal hardware is non x86, cause i have POWER, sparc, ARM, etc machines).

Plus, as I posted in another thread, modern Yast is actually quite good. You can configured pretty much the whole machine from it now. From basic stuff like network, disk/LVM/RAID, iscsi, etc to nearly every service the machine ships with like Samba, and Bind. While many of the configurations are basic and need further tuning, it gets the beginner most of the way down the road without having to drop to a command line or editor. The package management is just as good as anywhere else with yast/zypper, so much so I can't remember the last time i had to compile something.

Finally, SUSE's binary driver story is a lot better than anyone elses, so a lot of "proprietary" hardware just tends to work. Like say, multihead with openGL support sufficient to run blender...

Re:SLES/openSuse installs are everywhere (1)

Sodki (621717) | more than 3 years ago | (#35451544)

I have yet to see a copy of ubuntu running in a corporate environment.

That's funny, I'm looking at a few dozens right now. We probably don't work at the same place...

Re:SLES/openSuse installs are everywhere (1)

DuckDodgers (541817) | more than 3 years ago | (#35452390)

We use Ubuntu in a corporate environment too. No problems.

Re:SLES/openSuse installs are everywhere (1)

Stachybotris (936861) | more than 3 years ago | (#35452288)

Long-term support? Are we talking about the same OpenSuSE? The one that drops its repositories 1.5 years after the release date? Now RHEL, yes, that's long-term support, and even Ubuntu LTS has patches out for three years after the release date. OpenSuSE not so much.

I've had no problems installing Ubuntu on VMware, and have several customers who, yes, run Ubuntu in a corporate environment. Which versions (of both) were you running? Ubuntu 8.04 went into an ESX 3.5i host painlessly, and the 10.04 installs were just as smooth... Now, I haven't tried it on ESX 4.x yet, but I'm sure that day is coming soon enough.

Re:SLES/openSuse installs are everywhere (2)

MasterPatricko (1414887) | more than 3 years ago | (#35454032)

If you're gonna compare with RHEL, you have to compare to SLES, not openSUSE. openSUSE is the Fedora equivalent. And SLES has a similar support lifecycle to RHEL.

As an aside the community is experimenting with a long-term support version of openSUSE as well - look for project Evergreen [opensuse.org]

.

Re:SLES/openSuse installs are everywhere (1)

pnutjam (523990) | more than 3 years ago | (#35452432)

IMHO, the beauty of Yast is you can run it from the command line and get the same thing as running it from the GUI. There is a web version also, so it works much better for headless servers.

------------
On Ubuntu...
When you look up directions for doing anything on Ubuntu, it is 9/10ths of the time, someone showing you how to do it via the GUI, useless for headless servers. And while the ubuntu user base is kind to help each other, you can often tell the people writing the tutorials know less then you do, they sprinkle chmod 777's liberally and do alot of other things they don't seem to understand, but seem to work.

This problem exists to some degree for all distros...

My headless server now runs NX, so it has a gui, but it's still nice to ssh in and do things quickly.

Re:SLES/openSuse installs are everywhere (1)

Billly Gates (198444) | more than 3 years ago | (#35460540)

I am tempted to download it and try it out.

Novel's crippling of fonts due to its deal with Microsoft made me abandon it. I use Fedora on older hadware and like it. I just can't get used to KDE and Yast.

Is it worth trying again or am I supporting SCO and MS by trying it out? The politics of this make it painful for me to consider

USB installation (1)

houghi (78078) | more than 3 years ago | (#35450448)

As some PCs do not have a CD player, you could also make a (live) USB key: http://en.opensuse.org/Live_USB_stick [opensuse.org]

Advice for upgraders (1)

Novus (182265) | more than 3 years ago | (#35453256)

Be advised that upgrading a running system with zypper dup with the installation DVD as the source will break the package manager halfway [novell.com] . I've spent a few hours sorting out the mess left by the upgrade from 11.3 (which is actually quite little) and it seems to work pretty well (most of the other problems were due to having too small a boot partition; make it 100 MB instead of 50 MB). Phonon is still failing to use my sound card, but I disable most of the KDE system sounds anyway.

Performance seems to have improved quite a bit in most applications and quite a few performance issues in the previous version have been fixed, so I'm liking 11.4 so far.

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