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US Lawyers Target Swedish Pirate, and His Unicorn

timothy posted more than 3 years ago | from the please-make-this-into-a-movie dept.

Piracy 181

Chaonici writes "When a Swedish citizen identified as Ryan heard about US movie studio Liberty Media's plan to get copyright infringers to confess and voluntarily pay up, he couldn't stop himself from sending them a satirical email promising that he will pay 'from the pot of gold I got at the leprechaun at the end of the rainbow', regardless of scathing criticism of the studio from his unicorn. However, despite his location, the jesting nature of the email, and his insistence that he has never downloaded anything for which the studio is suing, Liberty Media's lawyers have taken the 'confession' seriously, and have issued a subpoena to Google for personal information related to Ryan's Gmail account. In a phone call, the legal team affirmed their determination to 'hunt him down, all the way to Sweden if need be.'"

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Wise-ass (0)

devxo (1963088) | more than 3 years ago | (#35450516)

Well, that'll teach him to be a wise-ass. Seriously, it's probably the most stupid way to personally handle legal things, even if the almighty The Pirate Bay is doing it...

Re:Wise-ass (1)

Securityemo (1407943) | more than 3 years ago | (#35450526)

They have/had a lawyer as "part of the team".

Re:Wise-ass (2)

fph il quozientatore (971015) | more than 3 years ago | (#35450542)

Yeah, the guy who wrote these answers [thepiratebay.org] . Definitely the right person to take lessons from on how not to be a wise ass.

Re:Wise-ass (5, Interesting)

Per Wigren (5315) | more than 3 years ago | (#35450590)

Yes, but the lawyer naively thought that the law was going to be interpreted by the letter, the way it had always (officially) been done in modern day Sweden. They just underestimated the power of angry multinational mega-corporations and their lobbying/bribing/truth-twisting skills. The trial was very un-Swedish in many ways. TECHNICALLY they didn't break any Swedish laws and the lawyers approached it in a purely technocratical way. Usually that would had worked. Unfortunately, everything turned into messy discussions of intents, unproven figures of lost sales, attitudes and the like. This while there was MASSIVE pressure from very very strong international interests.

Re:Wise-ass (1)

Securityemo (1407943) | more than 3 years ago | (#35450624)

On the other hand, you could argue that thepiratebay itself and their way of running it is very un-Swedish.

Re:Wise-ass (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35450648)

I'm a Swede, but I think it's as much un-Swedish as it is un-. Thepirateby enables people to "steal", as much as the most well known forums for stolen things creates an underground market.

Re:Wise-ass (1)

Securityemo (1407943) | more than 3 years ago | (#35450694)

Maybe. But I'm talking more about the not-giving-a-shit attitude of lawlessness. The crude blue-eyed naivety, though, that's very Swedish.

Re:Wise-ass (5, Insightful)

lordholm (649770) | more than 3 years ago | (#35450736)

No one stole anything through pirate bay, they may have committed copyright infringement, but that is an entirely different thing.

As a side note, the postal office enables people to send drugs and bombs to each other, they are still not held accountable, despite they knowingly do this. The "enabling" part is a faulty argument. However, they did definitely knowingly host links to the files, and did not act when made aware of such files; that is a proper argument that you can build on and probably argue in a court.

Re:Wise-ass (5, Interesting)

Per Wigren (5315) | more than 3 years ago | (#35450846)

No one stole anything through pirate bay, they may have committed copyright infringement, but that is an entirely different thing.

Not even that. The Pirate Bay is charged with "assisting copyright infringement of 24 albums, 9 movies and 4 games", nothing more, nothing less. According to the Swedish constitution that's the only thing that should be taken in consideration by the court. Anything else they may have done except assisting copyright infringement of those specified 24 albums, 9 movies and 4 games is completely off-topic in the trial. Also, all fines and damages compensation are required to be in line with proven losses and it's against the constitution to use general deterrence, to make examples of specific deviants.

One thing we learned during the TPB trial and the debates of the new surveillance laws (FRA, IPRED, datalagringsdirektivet) is that the Swedish constitution isn't enforced at all. We have a "constitution deputation" but what they say are only to be regarded as "recommendations" and weighted with the opinions of other deputations. Previously this wasn't a problem because courts and law makers have pretty much followed the constitution anyway but the last few years it has become clear that we desperately need a constitutional court with full veto.

Re:Wise-ass (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35451096)

Though even that is a faulty argument as the prosecution do not actually have anyone who performed the crime which these people have allegedly been assisting to perform.

Re:Wise-ass (2)

Per Wigren (5315) | more than 3 years ago | (#35451720)

Though even that is a faulty argument as the prosecution do not actually have anyone who performed the crime which these people have allegedly been assisting to perform.

Very true.

Re:Wise-ass (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35451298)

Was the king's role in Sweden to defend the constitution? Does he have any influence or formal role to play when the constitution is violated?

Re:Wise-ass (2)

Securityemo (1407943) | more than 3 years ago | (#35451522)

He has no political power whatsoever. Not at all. Not even on paper. He's not even supposed to make political statements, if I remember correctly.

Re:Wise-ass (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35451526)

Was the king's role in Sweden to defend the constitution? Does he have any influence or formal role to play when the constitution is violated?

No, he is constitutionally required to STFU when it comes to politics. If he as much as hints at a political message in a speech or when talking to a journalist, it raises a media ****storm.

Re:Wise-ass (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35450994)

oh and you forgot the fact that they are a huge pro-piracy site that enables millions of people world wide to pirate millions of piece of copyrighted work, whilst pocketing a fortune in ad revenue didn't you?
And like most pro-piratebay nutjobs, you conveniently forget that the whole thing is bankrolled by the right wing fascist multi-millionaire criminal carl lundstrom, the 'untrendy' one they don't put on their t shirts.
The level of ass-kissing for swedish fascist millionaires on here is truly sad, but not surprising given most fo you are so fucking thick you reckon linux is usable.

Re:Wise-ass (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35451012)

Trlolololo

so basically (1)

unity100 (970058) | more than 3 years ago | (#35451534)

swedish justice, has failed.

Re:Wise-ass (1)

mirix (1649853) | more than 3 years ago | (#35450582)

Yeah. The email is pretty retarded and childish.

But, being in Sweden I can't see the company being able to do SFA to the kid.

Re:Wise-ass (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35451094)

Unless they can rig a condom.

Re:Wise-ass (5, Interesting)

lordholm (649770) | more than 3 years ago | (#35450798)

Confessions without proof are not valid in Sweden (you cannot for example do plea-bargains in the Swedish court system). It is well known that people make up confessions; for example the Swedish police has received the confessions of over a 100 people, who all confessed murdering the former prime minister Olof Palme. Confessions are only counted (but only marginally so) if there is also technical evidence and / or witnesses.

The point is, if they trace the guys IP, it is doubtful that the Swedish court would grant a request to reveal the identity behind the IP address, you need to have at-least some bit of concrete technical evidence (e.g. logs identifying him in a bit-torrent swarm) to do that.

Re:Wise-ass (4, Insightful)

jopsen (885607) | more than 3 years ago | (#35451254)

Well, that'll teach him...

Not really... it's unlikely that they can prove anything with his gmail account...
And the case will never hold in Sweden...

The news here is that some US judge signed a subpoena based on that email... Some might argue that such as judge is somewhat stupid... To put it mildly... :)

That is incredibly stupid... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35450530)

... but I am completely unsurprised.

Yes indeed it is, US lawyers thinking (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35451260)

Yes indeed it is, US lawyers thinking US laws apply in Sweden.

Sweden is not a state of USA (2)

fredr1k (946815) | more than 3 years ago | (#35450534)

The lawyers forget that Sweden is not a state of USA. The kid is safe while the lawyers make an ass of them selves. Sweden has its own laws :) They might aswell try to sue /dev/null

Re:Sweden is not a state of USA (1)

Securityemo (1407943) | more than 3 years ago | (#35450562)

They might have ulterior motives for making this sort of statement, even if they know it's futile. Leading the client on for more pay, temporary publicity for their company, etc.

First, kill all the laywers (1)

Compaqt (1758360) | more than 3 years ago | (#35450566)

Do lawyers come up with with the stupidest things and portray themselves as educated idiots because of the lack of oxygen caused by too-tight neckties, or is it some other reason?

Re:First, kill all the laywers (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35450586)

Here's their train of thoughts:
How dare some insignificant worm mock us fancy, bigshot corporate lawyers? That peasant should know his place! Something has to be done to show the cattle who's boss!

Re:First, kill all the laywers (5, Insightful)

SudoGhost (1779150) | more than 3 years ago | (#35450660)

Actually this is their train of thought: If someone messes with us or tries to interfere with us, then let's make it as expensive, time consuming, and difficult for them as possible, and make knowledge of our actions public as possible, to set an example.

Re:First, kill all the laywers (1)

MareLooke (1003332) | more than 3 years ago | (#35450774)

Guess someone should explain to those lawyers that unlike in the US you can't bankrupt someone just by suing them without anything resembling a case in most of Europe, you actually have to win said case to get anything out of it. In the worst case they waste some of his time, and then he can write a book about the entire thing and get rich off of the idiots ;-)

Re:First, kill all the laywers (1)

uffe_nordholm (1187961) | more than 3 years ago | (#35451290)

And in Sweden in particular, you yourself can go bankrupt by suing someone: in a civil case (copyright infringement is a civil matter, as opposed to criminal) the loser pays _all_ attorneys/lawyers involved. On top of that, if you have had to get any expert witnesses the loser will have to pay them as well. Granted, while the case is under progress in court, both parties pay their own costs, but the loser is forced to pay the winner when the matter is settled.

Re:First, kill all the laywers (3, Interesting)

advocate_one (662832) | more than 3 years ago | (#35451328)

Granted, while the case is under progress in court, both parties pay their own costs,/blockquote>

so basically speaking, you can still be bankrupted by a multi-national corporation as they drag the case out until you run out of money...

Re:First, kill all the laywers (1)

Rysc (136391) | more than 3 years ago | (#35451612)

And how is this different from the USA? If you can't afford to pay your lawyer long enough to win the case then you'll still go broke. If you don't have a lawyer chances are you make some legal fumbles that make you lose when you could have won.

Re:First, kill all the laywers (4, Interesting)

cbope (130292) | more than 3 years ago | (#35451652)

Exactly. Here in the EU, they would actually have to have a valid case before anything will happen. You can't go around suing people like in the US without a strong case to take it to trial. This is a major reason why the US courts are jam-full of frivolous and baseless cases today. The problem is, they often go to trial before there is any real evidence of a crime.

This is exactly why I prefer a letter-of-the-law system like we have in Finland. There is little or no "interpretation". Laws are enforced as written and laws are written so that the average educated adult can understand them without hiring a lawyer to "interpret" them.

Re:First, kill all the laywers (0)

commodore6502 (1981532) | more than 3 years ago | (#35451668)

>>>he can write a book about the entire thing and get rich off of the idiot lawyers

Wish someone would sue me, so I could get rich too.

Re:First, kill all the laywers (1)

evanism (600676) | more than 3 years ago | (#35451556)

You just outlined the generic American company line of thought.

Re:First, kill all the laywers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35451760)

You just outlined the generic American company line of thought.

And drug cartels - don't forget the cartels.

Re:First, kill all the laywers (1)

DrXym (126579) | more than 3 years ago | (#35451052)

Here's their train of thoughts: How dare some insignificant worm mock us fancy, bigshot corporate lawyers? That peasant should know his place! Something has to be done to show the cattle who's boss!

Of maybe bigshot lawyers are thinking, "yippee, here's a way to generate 10 billable hours!". The letter is quite obviously satirical. Even if the person were in the jurisdiction required, his "confession" would be laughed out of court.

Re:First, kill all the laywers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35451598)

Do lawyers come up with with the stupidest things and portray themselves as educated idiots because of the lack of oxygen caused by too-tight neckties, or is it some other reason?

These lawyers don't care if they win or loose. When they win they may get a small bonus of a couple hundred bucks per average $5000 settlement, but their main goal here is billable hours to their client.

Since they have no clear targets or goal other then to hunt down 'pirates' they sue as many people as possible and bill for time. So sue 10,000 John and Jane Doe's and that's billed probably at least an hour per case average, win or loose. Most large law firms in the United States bill between $200 and $1,000 per hour for their lawyers' time.

So who's the real idiot here?

Re:Sweden is not a state of USA (3, Funny)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 3 years ago | (#35450704)

Note to self: when pulling a similar stunt, claim to be from a fake country, like Lavatruria, Pays-Bonguebongue, or Belgium [zapatopi.net] .

Re:Sweden is not a state of USA (4, Insightful)

rvw (755107) | more than 3 years ago | (#35450710)

The lawyers forget that Sweden is not a state of USA./quote>

Here in Europe we are not sure about that anymore.

Re:Sweden is not a state of USA (1)

aliquis (678370) | more than 3 years ago | (#35450726)

Neither are we here in Sweden.

Anyhow. US debt is high, Nato and EU is considering a no-flight zone over Libya. So with our new alliance and leaders I question myself why we don't send any JAS-39 Gryphons there?

Could be great advertisement of the planes to other nations as well.

Re:Sweden is not a state of USA (1)

digitig (1056110) | more than 3 years ago | (#35451258)

Gryphons would scare the unicorns.

Re:Sweden is not a state of USA (1)

aliquis (678370) | more than 3 years ago | (#35451340)

lol, aren't they on the same side in Narnia? ;D

http://narnia.wikia.com/wiki/Gryphon [wikia.com]
http://narnia.wikia.com/wiki/Unicorn [wikia.com]

""not even a king would think of riding a unicorn except in great need." They are almost always loyal to Aslan, and are known to be very wise."

Almost always? Maybe not then, damn unicorns, can't be trusted! ;D

Re:Sweden is not a state of USA (1)

jimicus (737525) | more than 3 years ago | (#35450758)

The lawyers forget that Sweden is not a state of USA. The kid is safe while the lawyers make an ass of them selves. Sweden has its own laws :) They might aswell try to sue /dev/null

It isn't. Which means he almost certainly won't defend himself, and will be ordered to pay up.

I can't see him paying up, and for one person and $1000 it's hardly worth going to the trouble they did with the Pirate Bay people. But - and IANAL - I wonder if this would pose a problem at immigration if he ever chooses to visit the US? Of course, he may take the view "why on Earth would I ever want to visit the US?" but the US lawyers don't know that.

Re:Sweden is not a state of USA (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35451148)

I regard everyone who has visited the US on tourism or business in the past 6 years (I've drawn the line at the day biometric information is collected at immigration points for your particular country) as a traitor to freedom and, poignantly, anti-American.

I've given up my business interests in the US out of principle, with no compensation. It caused me temporary hardship but I picked myself up and carried on. The only thing which has depressed me is that so few other people are prepared to just say no, even if it also means difficulties for them. People today are mewling robots marching in lockstep, too afraid to step out of line, regroup and stand up for what is right. Come on, men! Be proud of your principles!

Re:Sweden is not a state of USA (1)

clang_jangle (975789) | more than 3 years ago | (#35451442)

People today are mewling robots...

Kittens mewl. Robots might squeak, rattle, hum, or whatever but mewling strikes me as distinctly un-robotlike.

Perhaps a white hat grammar nazi can settle this. :)

Re:Sweden is not a state of USA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35451410)

I think pretty much every intelligent being outside the US would think that way; those inside it are thinking about how to get out.

Re:Sweden is not a state of USA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35450838)

Get out of here with your logic and knowledge!

Sweden is a part of the USA world state, a nation of our grand planet, owned by Obama.
And don't you forget it Sweden!

Resistance is futile. You will convert to our ways, God commands it.

Re:Sweden is not a state of USA (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35450900)

Yeah just asked the guys at piratebay or julian assange, Sweden is completely not a state of the USA. OF course not. Sweden would never roll on to its back and wag its tail like the little bitch she is... :P

yeah im norwegian :D

Re:Sweden is not a state of USA (2)

miffo.swe (547642) | more than 3 years ago | (#35450992)

Im a Swede and wondering more and more if i should just pack it up and leave for Norway.

Swedish citizen (-1, Offtopic)

laoqi (2013970) | more than 3 years ago | (#35450544)

I think so...
www.loveygoods.com

answer : (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35450552)

countersue for frivolous lawsuit....

meanwhile in sweden (1)

Torvac (691504) | more than 3 years ago | (#35450570)

in sweden [youtube.com]
the US lawyer problem can only be solved with shotguns. making lawsuits and money out nothing ...

Moranic. Of the company paying the lawyers. (1)

no known priors (1948918) | more than 3 years ago | (#35450572)

First, I would like to say that this is a clear case of the cloud being the wrong place to store your data. Especially if the cloud-based service is located in the USA. From the (2nd) article:

“Discovery (evidence gathering) allows for the acquisition of literally anything relevant to the suit as long as it is not protected by some kind of privilege,” we were told. “It is often a wake-up call to people when they learn that they likely do not have a reasonable expectation of privacy in e-mails or information stored on a third-party server.”

Secondly, to the people who think this guy is an idiot for sending such an email, well aren't you just a bundle of fun. At most it's trolling (assuming the article is all true), and you don't expect the lawyers to start asking for personal data because of trolling. (I'm going to shoot that president, and the vice-president of the United States with my ak47.)
Third, the lawyers are going to get paid regardless. So what do they care if this person is in Sweden or some other place?

Re:Moranic. Of the company paying the lawyers. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35450698)

First, that's the worst trolling I've seen in a long time, proper trolling is subtle, it's not trolling if you walk in to a room with a marching band a neaon sign proclaiming that "THIS IS A TROLL LOL". This is some moron who thinks he's clever and playing with fire, only to get burned as a result.

Second, "(I'm going to shoot that president, and the vice-president of the United States with my ak47.)" isn't trolling either, it's a death threat, and you can bet your bottom dollar you're going to be savagely beaten with the PWN-stick, just like Ryan S.

Re:Moranic. Of the company paying the lawyers. (1)

Securityemo (1407943) | more than 3 years ago | (#35450708)

Fail. You have to lead him on a bit more, perhaps with garish examples of frivolous lawsuits and paranoid police actions before you can make him doubt for a moment that he's not going to gitmo for posing sarcastic death threats.

Re:Moranic. Of the company paying the lawyers. (1)

no known priors (1948918) | more than 3 years ago | (#35450732)

Lol, when the yanks invade the country I'm currently in (again), maybe they'll capture me and harass me over threatening their poor defenseless president on Slashdot. Or, maybe, they've got better things to do with their time. You've just been trolled sucker.

In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response

And, if the individual concerned is in Sweden, they hardly got burned did they? Sure they might not be able to visit the States (neither can I, oh noes), but that's hardly a problem for most of the world. Basically, the lawyers win, and the company who has to pay them loses. Everyone else is about the same.

Re:Moranic. Of the company paying the lawyers. (2)

jimicus (737525) | more than 3 years ago | (#35450800)

and you don't expect the lawyers to start asking for personal data because of trolling. (I'm going to shoot that president, and the vice-president of the United States with my ak47.)

The idea that a single off-the-cuff comment is hardly going to lead to all sorts of trouble coming down on you is an interesting view to take, however ITYF it's not shared [dailymail.co.uk] by the majority [chicagobreakingnews.com] of those [wired.com] in positions of authority [reuters.com] .

Re:Moranic. Of the company paying the lawyers. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35451738)

Fourth, you spelled "moron" wrong - which means most of the /. crowd didn't bother to read the rest of what you wrote.

haaa ha ha (2, Insightful)

roman_mir (125474) | more than 3 years ago | (#35450580)

PWNED. OK, this is so funny :)

No, really, I can't stop LOLing, it's insane.

What??? You have never seen a fool teasing a dog or something else he shouldn't have and then being bitten by it?

Come oooooon, this is exactly like that.

Re:haaa ha ha (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35450646)

I like your analogy. A rabid dog that bites people is usually put down.

Re:haaa ha ha (1)

roman_mir (125474) | more than 3 years ago | (#35450936)

I think it's more like a rabid fool, than a rabid dog. Normally, you tease something to get a rise out of it.

Re:haaa ha ha (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35450820)

Yes. Except the dog is in an entirely different country.

Holy Hooves, Batman! (5, Funny)

Grapplebeam (1892878) | more than 3 years ago | (#35450600)

They have UNICORNS in Sweden?!

Re:Holy Hooves, Batman! (3, Funny)

Securityemo (1407943) | more than 3 years ago | (#35450652)

Yes. And they're fucking vicious, let me tell you. You think that horn is for decoration? It's a significant contributor to the shortage of wolves in the region. There's been attempts at planting out dire wolves, but the reindeer-holding sámi population started complaining about thinning herds...

About to be sacked (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35450874)

You know, a unicorn once bit my sister.

Re:About to be sacked (1)

MysteriousPreacher (702266) | more than 3 years ago | (#35450916)

That was a moose.

Re:About to be sacked (3, Funny)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 3 years ago | (#35451318)

Don't be silly, have you ever seen a moose wearing a dress?

Re:About to be sacked (1)

Tigger's Pet (130655) | more than 3 years ago | (#35451446)

Seen one? I've slept with a moose wearing a dress before now.

Before now? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35451490)

What have you done after now?

Re:Before now? (1)

Tigger's Pet (130655) | more than 3 years ago | (#35451736)

Well... As I'm married now, I don't expect to be doing that again - but you never know.

Re:About to be sacked (1)

MysteriousPreacher (702266) | more than 3 years ago | (#35451606)

Every night in my dreams!

Re:Holy Hooves, Batman! (3, Informative)

aliquis (678370) | more than 3 years ago | (#35450910)

They have UNICORNS in Sweden?!

Yeah, and we ride them listening to Erasure.

http://games.adultswim.com/robot-unicorn-attack-twitchy-online-game.html [adultswim.com]

Re:Holy Hooves, Batman! (1)

Bender Unit 22 (216955) | more than 3 years ago | (#35451572)

Or Snoopy Poopy Poop Dog or the enema man.

Re:Holy Hooves, Batman! (3, Funny)

Kvasio (127200) | more than 3 years ago | (#35451404)

They have UNICORNS in Sweden?!

and virgins!

Oh wait, Julian was there ...

I bet the lawyers simply figure this will... (1)

Haydn (592455) | more than 3 years ago | (#35450610)

increase their billable hours.

Crap (4, Funny)

EdIII (1114411) | more than 3 years ago | (#35450616)

So, BitTorrent users, have you downloaded any Liberty Media movies? If so the company says it is time to hand yourselves in. From 8th February for 14 days, the kind folk at Liberty are offering an amnesty.

I have downloaded a lot of porn. A lot. I'm fairly certain that I may have represented a few percentage points of the entire bandwidth used by porn in a single day.

That being said, I have no idea if I downloaded anything from Liberty Media. In the interests of providing amnesty I think it would behoove them to put up a public website with examples of their copyrighted works. Not the whole things of course, but just small groups of shots. Perhaps the ones that made the most money for them, those being the ones most likely to be pirated.

they really don't have any real gigs.. (1)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 3 years ago | (#35450634)

these law guys certainly could use some real gigs. that's one problem, law firms being so bad that they get dependant on one trolling client with POTENTIAL income flow some time later. it worked so well for the other law firms..

Re:they really don't have any real gigs.. (2)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 3 years ago | (#35450644)

and it seems to me that liberty media focuses more on relicensing media instead of creating it? so if I rent a movie from somewhere can I start sending subpoenas to people who downloaded that movie?

Re:they really don't have any real gigs.. (1)

MareLooke (1003332) | more than 3 years ago | (#35450806)

Yeah they really need to get laid, or watch some porn...

Not much of a story (1)

Xaositecte (897197) | more than 3 years ago | (#35450656)

Lawyers might just think the kid is from Sweden, hoping he's an American lying about his physical whereabouts to prevent them from even asking questions.

In any event, if they just throw the first sentence of that confession in front of a judge:

"I have been sharing a whole load of your files... on every torrent site like Purena, Empornium, Kickasstorrents etc"

And it'd be at the very least enough to cause an American major headaches.

Assuming the kid really does live in Sweden though, American courts don't have jurisdiction. He can just kinda've ignore them. Might get in his way of ever coming to the United States for a job or vacation or whatever, but that's about it.

The Streisand effect, but different (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35450666)

These lawyers appear not to be familiar with the Net - I suspect their email servers are already groaning under a gazillion more "confessions", with the next step some site or organisation offering a reward for the funniest one. Whoever is in charge of PR is probably hiding in a closet with a bottle of booze already..

New gmail account + Tor (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35450712)

Don't be stupid folks. If you're gonna do stuff like this,
a) have a common version of a Linux Live-CD running
b) use Tor for all access.
c) setup a new gmail account.
d) Let the unicorn speak to anyone you like using that gmail account over Tor **always**

If you slip even once and forget Tor or use your normal OS - even under Tor - you may be discovered.

Re:New gmail account + Tor (4, Informative)

Securityemo (1407943) | more than 3 years ago | (#35450770)

Also, tor transparent proxy support FTW. Add:

AutomapHostsOnResolve 1
TransPort 9040
DNSPort 5300

to torrc, and then:

sudo iptables -A OUTPUT -t nat -p tcp ! -d 127.0.0.1 -m owner ! --uid-owner tor -j REDIRECT --to-ports 9040
sudo iptables -A OUTPUT -t nat -p udp -m udp --dport 53 -m owner ! --uid-owner tor -j REDIRECT --to-ports 5300
sudo iptables -A OUTPUT -t filter ! -d 127.0.0.1 -m owner ! --uid-owner tor -j DROP

and then just add 127.0.0.1 as nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf. There where instructions for this on the tor wiki, but it didn't work right. Doing it this way also filters all traffic for all users except tor, and allows you to use tor without sudo. These rules also assume that you don't have a lan, otherwise just add exceptions for 192.168.0.0/32, etc.

Re:New gmail account + Tor (3, Informative)

Securityemo (1407943) | more than 3 years ago | (#35450822)

To clarify, the above redirects all outgoing TCP connections and DNS resolves through Tor without needing anything else, and should block all other leaking outgoing traffic.It doesn't block identifying information being sent through Tor though, but that's a given. Bloody awesome feature, if a bit obscure.

Re:New gmail account + Tor (1)

jimicus (737525) | more than 3 years ago | (#35450810)

Don't be stupid folks. If you're gonna do stuff like this,
a) have a common version of a Linux Live-CD running
b) use Tor for all access.
c) setup a new gmail account.
d) Let the unicorn speak to anyone you like using that gmail account over Tor **always**

If you slip even once and forget Tor or use your normal OS - even under Tor - you may be discovered.

Actually, when you put it like that I'm surprised nobody's developed a version of Bittorrent with Tor-like functionality already built in.

Re:New gmail account + Tor (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35451450)

Maybe not that surprising when considering the amount of traffic that would go through the nodes. I for one would not want to run a node having massive amounts of torrent traffic running through it.

Confess (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35450858)

Confess to witch..., wrong sharing and save your soul.

Corbin Fisher (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35450988)

If you RTFA, the COO of Liberty Media who made the declaration was named Corbin Fisher. If you google up the name, the first site is Corbin Fisher's Amateur College Men and Amateur College Sex.

This has to be a really good troll.

Good luck. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35450996)

He's behind seven proxies.

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Critical Fumble (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35451046)

Their stupidity is a powerful defense against his sarcasm.

I wonder if this should be reported to the bar? (1)

erroneus (253617) | more than 3 years ago | (#35451122)

The bar association in this lawyer's area might be interested to hear a complain about this clear abuse of the legal system. No one could take this as a confession, not even a bad lawyer. It is beyond reasonable and should be punished. I know lawyers rarely punish their own, but perhaps if enough complaints come in?

Re:I wonder if this should be reported to the bar? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35451476)

Could be worth a shot, it is about time for the LAWYERS to learn their places!

Re:I wonder if this should be reported to the bar? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35451512)

Too many lawyers means having to MAKE UP stuff in order to charge fees. Make Law School REALLY hard to get into, might cut down on the oversupply?

Just exactly when the meaning of word lawyer (1)

unity100 (970058) | more than 3 years ago | (#35451344)

got enlarged to include 'money whore' ?

unicorns making a comeback? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35451566)

just kidding? we're surprised that the penguinistas were not extincted in the softwars of the '80's... many say the bips were on there side, before they went billionerror.

there does appear to be some unusual things happening in our fellow inhabitants' development. there's fish who can digest plastic, getting the sea stuff off, then pooping it out. our babys can now digest small amounts of crude oil, & a variety of other toxic substances, with less than fatal results, so that's good?

Ooooooooh, big mistake mentioning gold... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35451604)

To a lawyer.

Wait, Corbin Fisher ? (2)

vegiVamp (518171) | more than 3 years ago | (#35451662)

The same Corbin Fisher as this Corbin Fisher [wikipedia.org] ? Really?

This should prove to be amusing, at the very least. Yes mister judge sir, this here man has illegally copied and jerked off to thousands of dollars' worth of gay porn that we filmed using straight actors.

Actually, mister judge, sir, you're looking pretty good, yourself. Can I interest you in a financial opportunity ?

Typical Sweden (1)

bazmail (764941) | more than 3 years ago | (#35451792)

No better country than Sweden to allow their citizens to be harassed this way.

What a spineless puppet state.
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