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IPad 2 Teardown Shows Tablet's Guts

samzenpus posted more than 3 years ago | from the taking-a-look-under-the-hood dept.

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alphadogg writes "Apple's iPad 2 tablet, which became available Friday, boasts a big battery, tiny speakers, an ample 512MB of RAM and a glass front that's tricky for tinkerers to take off. That's the upshot from an initial teardown of the new Apple tablet by iFixit, which specializes in Apple product repair. IFixit warns that those who dare to peer into the insides of the iPad 2 on their own risk cracking the glass front panel, which is thinner than that from the original iPad (0.62 mm vs. 0.85 mm) and glued on rather than attached via tabs. A heat gun was needed by iFixit to disassemble the device."

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368 comments

Tablets (-1, Troll)

devxo (1963088) | more than 3 years ago | (#35471214)

I don't really like the normal tablet style of iPad. I mean, it works I guess, but people are more used to holding books. I got interested in tablets after I saw Microsoft's Courier [engadget.com] , but it looks like they cancelled it.

Is there any other more natural feeling tablet? It would be much better than the usual ones. Since all the Android devices are quite much clones of each other, I hope someone uses this to their advantage and makes a device like Courier. Or Microsoft should continue their project. It's really interesting anyway.

Re:Tablets (4, Insightful)

DavidR1991 (1047748) | more than 3 years ago | (#35471264)

The thing with courier is that, whilst I agree it was a great form factor, it didn't actually exist. It was all talk - no shippable product. So for all the flaws that may exist in Apple's vision of the tablet form factor (or the Android ones for that matter) at least they actually exist - they're real, they work and they are being sold today.

Courier looked as though it was years away from even being thought of as a real product, let alone being sold to people in the real world

Re:Tablets (2)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 3 years ago | (#35471502)

Something like this [techgenie.com] maybe? I saw another one as well that was targeted at universities as textbook readers, etc.

Re:Tablets (1)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 3 years ago | (#35471652)

The more book-like reader was the Kno [kno.com] .

Re:Tablets (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 3 years ago | (#35471310)

Is there any other more natural feeling tablet? It would be much better than the usual ones. Since all the Android devices are quite much clones of each other, I hope someone uses this to their advantage and makes a device like Courier. Or Microsoft should continue their project. It's really interesting anyway.

Considering MS won't release a competitor to iPad and Android tablets until Fall 2012, producing a working Courier product for MS might be a daunting task. Remember MS never showed a demo of Courier. Everything that was released a mockup of how they wanted it work.

Re:Tablets (1)

arcite (661011) | more than 3 years ago | (#35471324)

The Courier was DOA. As a concept it is interesting, but as a functioning device it would be barely usable. What would the battery-life/weight ratio be for a two screen device? How would the interface adapt to both right and left handed users? What about durability? Is there really an advantage to having two smaller screens as opposed to a single one?

As for natural feel....cavemen were writing on tablets tens of thousands of years before books were invented. How about scrolls? Even those are more durable than 'books'....

When iPad 3 or iPad 4 has a retina screen with an even faster processor, speech recognition (along with longer battery life, thinner, lighter...) it will be even more durable.

Re:Tablets (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35471694)

I don't think it's undoable. While the whole dual screen was interesting, the machine was a combination of ideas. The first is the dual screen movement. Using one side for navigation, and the other as a work area.

What the Courier needed was its ideas incorporated into Windows Metro. Metro should be able to do all the stuff courier could, like scan documents quick, have applications that you can scribble on with your finger, then take a picture on it, record video or voice and have it as one work area note, similar to the Memo Note (iOS app). And the CORE cool thing that Windows can do that no other company can is to treat any Windows PC as a secondary screen.

Now that would be a value proposition. Except Microsoft can't even come out with copy and paste on time.

Re:Tablets (5, Interesting)

yog (19073) | more than 3 years ago | (#35471772)

As a long time Linux programmer and user whose only Apple purchase was an 80 gig iPod a few years back, I was skeptical about the iPad, but after extensive research into the Android tablets, I finally decided to give the iPad a try. I own a Google Nexus One Android phone and was really hoping for a decent Android tablet, but they simply don't exist yet. Every single one has some sort of flaw or missing feature, although the Moto Xoom looks to be a competent offering, once it's tweaked and polished and the prices come down a bit.

I have found the iPad to be a beautifully designed, well engineered best-of-class portable computer. Its battery life is outstanding, the user interface is smooth and natural, and it is incredibly convenient.

I fly a lot, and even a small laptop is a pain to use in a cramped coach class seat, whereas the iPad in combination with a $30 leather portfolio case that lets it stand up in various configurations plus a wireless keyboard is just about ideal. It works with all my Google services--email, docs, calendar, contacts--about as well as on an Android handheld, and it does audio Skype phone calls, and the book reading software is adequate. Apple Pages is a pretty decent word processor. Eventually, my 6-year-old will inherit this unit when the really good Android tablets come out, and already she's addicted to the touch interface and the colorful paint and animation games one can download.

I returned it within 14 days because the iPad 2 had just come out, and now I have to wait like everyone else to upgrade, but I don't regret my purchase for a minute.

The touch tablet concept proved its value first with the Palm and iPod/iPhone products, and so a larger tablet was merely a logical migration, not a revolution. And yet it feels revolutionary, because suddenly I use a computer for a lot of things that I never would have done before. It fits easily and neatly on my exercise machine, for example, so I can read or watch videos while working out. It slips into a backpack or satchel very easily and is about as thick as a pad of paper, so it's almost an afterthought to bring it along to work or trips or events (but keep an eye on it!). I use it to read in bed, or watch videos late at night--also dangerous, because my eyes are getting tired from all the close-up focusing. I find myself reaching for the tablet rather than the laptop when I want to look something up, because it's simply easier and quicker, even without a mouse or full travel keyboard.

By the way, the iPad's keyboard is surprisingly not bad to touch type on in landscape mode. I write stories in my spare time, and I have found I can type almost full speed--when I miss a key, the auto-correction often fixes it, although you need to be careful because it will auto-complete to the wrong word occasionally. The thing doesn't totally keep up with my typing, actually, and I'm hoping the iPad 2's increased CPU power will remedy that.

Everyone screams about Flash missing from the iPad. I would agree that it's better to let the consumer choose, but really I have found it's a non-issue with the iPad. I have watched videos on WSJ, Yahoo, CNN, and a few other websites with no problem. The Youtube app works great, as does the Netflix app (both free). In fact, it's the best way for me to watch Netflix streaming video, since I don't own a Windows PC (hitherto, I watched Netflix in a VirtualBox Windows session but it's not ideal). On my Android phone which of course has Flash, I find it's mainly good for seeing fancy animated ads on websites.

It's nice that after installing some iPod compatibility software from the Ubuntu software dialog, I could plug in my iPad to my Ubuntu laptop and explore the file system. I could also run iTunes from a VirtualBox WinXP session to do fancier sync'ing.

Undoubtedly, by Christmas '11, there will be a plethora of highly competent Android tablets in the $200-$300 range that have all the features left out of the Apple products--Flash, MicroSD card expansion, USB ports, high res cameras, and of course the more open Android operating system. But until then, you could do a lot worse than to use the very competent and well executed iPad or iPad 2. In fact, you can now get a refurb iPad 1 for $349 from Apple--there is simply no Android tablet in that price range that can compete.

Re:Tablets (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 3 years ago | (#35472702)

I own a Google Nexus One Android phone and was really hoping for a decent Android tablet, but they simply don't exist yet.

And you just couldn't wait another second because...?

WARNING: devxo is a Microsoft shill (5, Informative)

mangu (126918) | more than 3 years ago | (#35471886)

I started counting a couple of stories back, this is the sixth first post defending Microsoft that devxo has posted in the last three days.

The other five are:
1 [slashdot.org]
2 [slashdot.org]
3 [slashdot.org]
4 [slashdot.org]
5 [slashdot.org]

Liking Microsoft products is one thing, but keeping tabs of every story and writing a multi-line first post for every other one, well that looks like a real job to me. I wonder how much Microsoft pays him. Does he get overtime, considering all this was done in a weekend?

Re:WARNING: devxo is a Microsoft shill (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35472266)

It is almost certainly an account shared by multiple people at an "online relationship management" firm. Definitely an account set up for pure shilling. Someone suggested a while back actually as a reaction to this devxo character that slashdot institute some kind of first post delay for newly created accounts. Seems like a good idea to me.

Re:WARNING: devxo is a Microsoft shill (3, Insightful)

Sponge Bath (413667) | more than 3 years ago | (#35472268)

Maybe devxo is just a compulsive fanboy. Slashdot has more than a few of those hanging around. Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by someone clicking away in their mom's basement.

Re:WARNING: devxo is a Microsoft shill (1)

HalAtWork (926717) | more than 3 years ago | (#35472650)

But why would anyone in their basement feel the need to defend a multi-billion dollar corporation for free? Does devxo think MS can't defend themselves? Does devxo wish to one day be the head of MS and they're getting their brownie points in early? I mean, I can understand wanting to promote OSS because it benefits you if you use OSS to have as many other people contributing as possible, but what would anyone get out of defending MS?

The only thing I can think of is you get shittier products, because people will be more likely to overlook more of MS's flaws if there are more posts excusing/defending MS. Hmm, maybe devxo is an OSS fanatic in disguise...?

Good job. (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35471240)

This is not a fucking hobby project. This is a retail device, sold for profit. You are NOT encouraged to take it apart. This entitlement attitude of being able to reverse engineer everyone elses IP is starting to piss me off.

Re:Good job. (-1)

E IS mC(Square) (721736) | more than 3 years ago | (#35471342)

Take it easy Steve. Stress is not good for your liver.

Re:Good job. (1, Funny)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 3 years ago | (#35471346)

This is not a fucking hobby project. This is a retail device, sold for profit. You are NOT encouraged to take it apart. This entitlement attitude of being able to reverse engineer everyone elses IP is starting to piss me off.

Profane statement, 36 characters. Statement, 41 characters, two parts. Emphatic statement, 40 characters. Statement, 105 characters.
Conclusion: Each sentence is twitterable. How about you post your rants there?

Re:Good job. (1)

HalAtWork (926717) | more than 3 years ago | (#35472692)

Who said anything about reverse engineering for your own benefit? What about getting your product fixed for a reasonable price? You could take an out-of-warranty appliance (TV, radio, microwave oven, washer/dryer) in to a electronics repair shop and get it fixed up when the original manufacturer discontinued service, or maybe you just wanted a better price even if it voided your original warranty, and the repair shop would provide their own warranty plan so you could just take it back to them. What's wrong with doing the same with an iPad or whatever else you want?

Sounds like an iPhone 4 and Macbook Air (2)

Laebshade (643478) | more than 3 years ago | (#35471256)

Sounds a lot like an iPhone 4 and the Macbook Air. I work for an authorized Mac sales and service center; our Mac specialist had to use a heat gun to take the screen/glass off on a Macbook Air. Research for the iPhone 4 returns similar needs.

Like the article says, a heatgun did the trick.

Re:Sounds like an iPhone 4 and Macbook Air (1)

BasilBrush (643681) | more than 3 years ago | (#35471352)

If you work for an authorised service centre, why haven't you got the service manuals?

Re:Sounds like an iPhone 4 and Macbook Air (0, Troll)

bytesex (112972) | more than 3 years ago | (#35471476)

The service manual probably says: Throw away. Replace.

Re:Sounds like an iPhone 4 and Macbook Air (1)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | more than 3 years ago | (#35471510)

"User error. Please replace user, and try again."

Re:Sounds like an iPhone 4 and Macbook Air (1)

Laebshade (643478) | more than 3 years ago | (#35471504)

Who says we don't?

I said that she had to use a heat gun to take off the screen/glass on the Macbook Air. I never said she didn't have manuals (she does).

Re:Sounds like an iPhone 4 and Macbook Air (2)

somersault (912633) | more than 3 years ago | (#35471506)

Is having the service manual going to magically make it possible to take the device apart without the heat gun?

Re:Sounds like an iPhone 4 and Macbook Air (3, Funny)

ilikejam (762039) | more than 3 years ago | (#35471590)

You can use a microwave as well - it's a bit faster.

Re:Sounds like an iPhone 4 and Macbook Air (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 3 years ago | (#35472648)

You can use a microwave as well - it's a bit faster.

I imagine that an oxyacetylene torch would be faster yet, but speed isn't always the only metric.

(People these days, no patience.)

fucktards (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35471258)

Have you ever seen somebody watching a two hour movie on ipad? It's a sight to behold. TWO HOURS of holding it in your one hand.

Also, did they find any keyboard in the 'guts'? I guess not. I have tried my hands on this newfangled touchscreen keyboards, and boy, do they suck.

The point I am making here is - tablets do not function as a useful tool except for the guys who scan your creditcards with a handholding device (and for similar purpose). But who am I to reason with retards, fucktards and fanbois?

Re:fucktards (2, Insightful)

arcite (661011) | more than 3 years ago | (#35471448)

OK but.... wirelessly sending the movie form your iPad to your hi-def TV is decidedly more cool and useful.

Re:fucktards (5, Insightful)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 3 years ago | (#35471514)

Have you ever seen somebody watching a two hour movie on ipad? It's a sight to behold. TWO HOURS of holding it in your one hand.

Have you ever seen somebody watching a two hour movie on a laptop? It's a sight to behold. TWO HOURS of holding it in your two hands. Or someone reading a book. Hours and hours of never moving or shifting and just keeping that thing suspended at arms length the entire time. ;)

tablets do not function as a useful tool except for the guys who scan your creditcards with a handholding device (and for similar purpose). But who am I to reason with retards, fucktards and fanbois?

You're right. And 15 million people who've bought an iPad are completely wrong. And the millions more who bought/may buy Android tablets. Why can't these people see that tablets is ill suited to your needs and thus they should never get one?

Re:fucktards (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35471630)

In fairness, I know a lot of people who have bought ipads and now don't know what to do with them once they've gotten over the whole "it's cool" factor.
Tablets don't really replace anything or particularly bring anything new to the world. I've been tempted by getting an android tablet for watching films in bed, though. Can see it being useful for such but again, not a new thing.

Re:fucktards (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 3 years ago | (#35471728)

If you are going to buy a product without really having a purpose for it, that's on you. It doesn't mean that others bought it with no use intended. Personally I've seen people buy very expensive computers and only use it for a few months because they were excited to get on the Interweb. I haven't bought a tablet because I don't feel right now that the expense is justified. I could see how I would use it though. I see it primarily to replace laptops for basic usages like web surfing, email, etc. I don't see it replacing laptops to do serious work like proposals, coding, etc. At least not yet.

Re:fucktards (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35472314)

I've been tempted by getting an android tablet for watching films in bed

Why not put a TV in the bedroom?

Re:fucktards (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35471700)

What percentage of those 15 million people had genuine needs to be fulfilled by the iPad, researched it and similar products, comparing specifications and capabilities, before finally deciding that it would provide the most value to them?

Re:fucktards (2)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 3 years ago | (#35471800)

The problem with everything you said is your basic assumption that 15 million people would do exactly as you do. They're not you. Some people might have said "ooh shiney" and bought one. The vast majority of people I see that have them are using them. Some are playing games. Some are watching movies. I saw one person showing some data to his boss and his boss slicing through the data. I've seen one used at a 10K run where the company in charge of tracking the runners was using it to show runner their times and splits. Now they could have printed all of that and posted on the side of a van or something but the owner told me having the iPad meant he could carry two less things: a printer and paper.

As for comparing specifications, iPad competitors have started to be released in the last six months; however many people consider only the Xoom to be the first serious competitor. As far as research goes I think it would have been quite simple. There was the iPad which they could get easily and other products which had negatives and they couldn't really get.

Re:fucktards (1)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 3 years ago | (#35472188)

The vast majority of people I see that have them are using them.

How many people continue to carry something they never use? Maybe you see people who own one but leave it on the computer desk?

Re:fucktards (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 3 years ago | (#35472428)

And maybe millions of people buy computers and leave them to collect dust at home. I don't know. But the implied assumption was that many of the 15 million units are just sitting idle and they don't serve some sort of need and were not purchased for a need. I see lots of them where I go. So in my sampling they are being used.

Re:fucktards (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35472728)

What percentage of those 15 million people had genuine needs to be fulfilled by the iPad, researched it and similar products, comparing specifications and capabilities, before finally deciding that it would provide the most value to them?

According to return rates, 2% of iPad buyers and 16% of Galaxy Tab buyers (though there far less of them).

Re:fucktards (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35471874)

Hey, Spaniards sold mirrors to native Americans and charged them all the gold, just because mirrors were shiny. Notice any similarity?

So you're telling me ignorance is bliss? Of course, for apple. "15 million are completely wrong"? Perhaps you should ask all Hitler followers before trying to convince us with statistics.

Your logic is flawed, but many people will buy into the iPad because it's shiny and "cool", not because it has an actual functionality. And because many don't know what they want.

Re:fucktards (0)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 3 years ago | (#35472504)

Your logic is flawed, but many people will buy into the iPad because it's shiny and "cool", not because it has an actual functionality. And because many don't know what they want.

Your logic is that since you don't have any use for it no one does. Thus everyone is you.

Re:fucktards (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 3 years ago | (#35471524)

Yep, my flatmate did this even though he was sitting in front of his 40" TV, and has HDMI out on his iPad dock..

Re:fucktards (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35471532)

TWO HOURS of holding it in your one hand.

One hand?

Exactly what kind of movies were these people watching?

Re:fucktards (2)

S.O.B. (136083) | more than 3 years ago | (#35471582)

Have you ever seen somebody watching a two hour movie on ipad? It's a sight to behold. TWO HOURS of holding it in your one hand.

You know you can hold it with two hands...unless you're watching porn. If the people you saw were watching porn then I guess that was a sight to behold.

Re:fucktards (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35471714)

We have these things called 'stands', which you lean the tablet up against.
Both hands free! With a tiny bit of creativity, one could also use a desk, table, or wall in such a way as to act as a stand as well.

Around 50 years ago we also invented these things called 'keyboards', and while you need a specific type of keyboard that has only existed for about a decade to connect it to a tablet, these keyboards do provide a better experience with massive data input.

For iPad specifically, there is a tiny adapter you can buy with a USB port on it.
For Android tablets, they typically come with a USB port on the side, though you might still need a mini-to-usb-A adapter depending on what port it has built in.

Then you can use any keyboard invented in the last 15 years or so.

I realize you personally don't care, but this is for others who might read and believe what you have to say.

Re:fucktards (1)

MysteriousPreacher (702266) | more than 3 years ago | (#35472514)

"Have you ever seen somebody watching a two hour movie on ipad? It's a sight to behold. TWO HOURS of holding it in your one hand."

No. One-armed people get creeped out if I stand watching them for two hours.

Anandtech performance review is more informing (5, Informative)

Shivetya (243324) | more than 3 years ago | (#35471282)

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4216/apple-ipad-2-gpu-performance-explored-powervr-sgx543mp2-benchmarked [anandtech.com]

and their review helps as well http://www.anandtech.com/show/4215/apple-ipad-2-benchmarked-dualcore-cortex-a9-powervr-sgx-543mp2 [anandtech.com]

The key items to take away from both are, yeah the cameras suck but this is truly a real upgrade from the iPad. Performance alone puts is ahead of the older model as well as many available tablets. They did find out that the dual core processor is actually running at only 900mhz. While the Xoom pushes more pixels because of its 1280x800 versus 1078x768 the iPad2 pulls far ahead of it, beyond what the pixel count would account for. As for gaming, some games are already taking advantage of the new power, Infinity Blade has been updated and looks fantastic. This brings up the issue, will there be apps sold that are marked iPad2 required?

Better yet, its cheaper than its nearest competition. The only question is, how long before really good Android tablets come along?

Re:Anandtech performance review is more informing (2)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 3 years ago | (#35471400)

While the Xoom pushes more pixels because of its 1280x800 versus 1078x768 the iPad2 pulls far ahead of it, beyond what the pixel count would account for.

From what I've read so far about the Xoom is that it's better than other iPad competitors so far but that for an average consumer it still needs a bit of polishing. It functions fine but the little touches aren't there. For example while the Xoom has a higher screen size, it unfortunately has smaller text because the font size in many parts of the OS hasn't been tweaked. For consumers with less than average eyesight, it's a minus. These things can be fixed over time but at the moment, it makes the Xoom seem a bit incomplete.

Better yet, its cheaper than its nearest competition. The only question is, how long before really good Android tablets come along?

Right now it appears that Apple is using every advantage they have to keep the pricing low. A serious competitor can emerge if they are willing to devote a concerted amount of time, effort, and money. Samsung is one such company however they partner and compete with Apple at the same time and can't put together a concerted effort.

Re:Anandtech performance review is more informing (4, Insightful)

qubezz (520511) | more than 3 years ago | (#35471604)

Right now it appears that Apple is using every advantage they have to keep the pricing low...

Hi, my name is Steve, welcome to the Apple store and thanks for purchasing the iPad. In order to use your device, you'll need to register with iTunes to ensure a constant flow of money to Apple for apps, music, media, ebooks, etc. Don't worry, e-magazines and such will still be the same price as other websites if they want to get their stuff on your tablet (don't worry that we are taxing your media companies 30% [which.co.uk] for the privilege of getting through the gatekeeper to your DRM'd locked down device...) Which credit card would you like to register with?

Re:Anandtech performance review is more informing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35471580)

Honestly my experience with the Xoom thus far suggests its screen is too high-res. The chipset doesn't have the fillrate to keep up properly.

Re:Anandtech performance review is more informing (2)

Dixie_Flatline (5077) | more than 3 years ago | (#35471786)

While you'd expect Android device manufacturers to be slightly ahead of the game because they're on arbitrary release cycles (unlike Apple's apparent 1-year cycle), they can't keep up with Apple on price because of Apple's ability to design the device, pre-order a huge number of the parts, and use the economy of scale to their advantage. I'd suspect that the lag time for an Android device to match the iPad is anywhere from 3 - 9 months. Not only do they have to catch up on the design aspect (mostly; obviously they don't have to be exactly the same), but they might have to wait for component prices to drop enough to make it worth their while. There's only so much loss-leading they can do without completely sabotaging themselves at the moment. It'd be different if they'd hit the market first, but Apple's not ceding that ground easily.

ample? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35471338)

"ample 512MB of RAM"??

Re:ample? (1)

Sponge Bath (413667) | more than 3 years ago | (#35472304)

That should be enough for anyone.

What's so ample about 512 Mb? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35471398)

Realy?

Re:What's so ample about 512 Mb? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35471552)

It's plenty if you don't use Windows!

Re:What's so ample about 512 Mb? (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 3 years ago | (#35471592)

It's ample because whoever wrote the summary has to keep trying to pretend to themselves that it's competitive to justify the purchase of their little fashion accessory. My phone has 512MB RAM.

I'd consider 1GB to be "ample" for a lightweight device right about now. My netbook is currently using 530MB RAM with only Chrome open, and usage when I have Chrome, a text editor, media player, IM and email clients open tends to be around 700-800MB.

Re:What's so ample about 512 Mb? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35471862)

My netbook, that I'm typing this on, is running 512mb. I could upgrade it, but I haven't found a reason to.

Aspire one running xubuntu.

Re:What's so ample about 512 Mb? (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 3 years ago | (#35472186)

I'm sure it's fine if you're happy to wait on swap all the time.

Re:What's so ample about 512 Mb? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35472246)

Thanks for your apples to oranges comparison

Re:What's so ample about 512 Mb? (1)

dagamer34 (1012833) | more than 3 years ago | (#35472276)

What is the difference between a phone and an iPad? Only screen resolution (and it's about 20%). That's about it.

Re:What's so ample about 512 Mb? (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 3 years ago | (#35472430)

The difference is that my phone came out last summer, and only has a single core processor. It is indeed a mini tablet, but I really expected more of the iPad 2 since it is starting to see stiffer competition. I'm considering purchasing a Xoom myself, it would be a rather nice upgrade over the netbook.

Re:What's so ample about 512 Mb? (1)

iluvcapra (782887) | more than 3 years ago | (#35472508)

What is the difference between a phone and an iPad? Only screen resolution (and it's about 20%).

I guess you're writing from inside an Einstein-Rosen Bridge and locally 3.5 inches and 10.1 inches appear to be the same length.

Re:What's so ample about 512 Mb? (4, Informative)

ruiner13 (527499) | more than 3 years ago | (#35472522)

From what I read, they did up the system bus speed from 100MHz to 200MHz. Even if they didn't add more RAM than the iPhone 4, it should be able to access it twice as fast. They also used a different type of RAM that has lower latency. So, not just an iPhone 4. I'd expect a lot of the same improvements in the iPhone 4.5/5 when it comes out in a few months.

Re:What's so ample about 512 Mb? (3, Informative)

SengirV (203400) | more than 3 years ago | (#35472546)

4X beter GPU than the Xoom, and 5.5X faster than the iPhone 4/iPad 1, but why cloud your opinion with silly things like facts.

http://www.macrumors.com/2011/03/12/ipad-2-gpu-benchmarked-with-impressive-gains/

That being said, I just bought and rooted a Nook Color.

Re:What's so ample about 512 Mb? (2)

gilesjuk (604902) | more than 3 years ago | (#35472576)

Apple manages to run an application like GarageBand even on the original iPad 1 with 256MB.

Perhaps you should check out the 64K demo scene and see what people manage to cram into 64KB of memory, people who can seriously code.

Lame (1)

Matey-O (518004) | more than 3 years ago | (#35471414)

Boy. THAT was a lame article. It was, word for word (except where they doubled up on the same sentence twice) everything stated in the iFixit video. This guy must a spent a LOT of time copying off other people's tests.

Re:Lame (0, Flamebait)

rudy_wayne (414635) | more than 3 years ago | (#35471478)

Boy. THAT was a lame article. It was, word for word (except where they doubled up on the same sentence twice) everything stated in the iFixit video. This guy must a spent a LOT of time copying off other people's tests.

There's only so many different ways to say "over-priced toy".

Re:Lame (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35471512)

It's a toy or not based on how you use it. I have an original ipad and strictly use it for ssh, vnc and web browsing. No toy-like action for me.

Re:Lame (1)

qubezz (520511) | more than 3 years ago | (#35471526)

Here's a link [ifixit.com] to the original article with teardown pictures. Beware blatant product placement of ifixit tools.

Looks like Apple wasn't happy enough putting proprietary tamper-resistant fasteners [digitaltrends.com] on this device though, the iPad 2 is glued together.

Re:Lame - Anyone actually work in manufacturing (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35472706)

All the talk about the glue and other things being Apple's way of messing with people are missing the point. Structural adhesive is a very good way of keep manufacturing costs down and improving the actual quality of a product. It is far easier to automate than screwing hardware. Some may disagree but having worked in manufacturing engineering and building automated systems for 8 years...that is my opinion.

Does it make it harder to repair...yes. Do modern devices like this need as much repair (I bet the p(95) MTTF is incredibly high)...no.

You know the lights in the corridor between terminals B and C at O'hare--a artistic marvel--are held up by structural adhesive.

And here is the iFixit link (5, Informative)

wondershit (1231886) | more than 3 years ago | (#35471642)

Why the main article this summary is about is not linked is beyond me...

http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iPad-2-Wi-Fi-Teardown/5071/1 [ifixit.com]

Warning (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35471928)

NSFW

Re:And here is the iFixit link (1)

nOw2 (1531357) | more than 3 years ago | (#35472030)

Because it's yet another link advert for "Network world"

I too was surprised to click the link in a story about iFixit's teardown and find myself on that god-awful website again - and I try my best to avoiding clicking through to them!

I can understand the need to link to websites that can withstand the slashdot effect but these days slashdot itself is really suffering from the quality of story abstracts and the continual linking to the same awful blogs, no doubt paid adverts.

512mb? really? (0, Troll)

perryizgr8 (1370173) | more than 3 years ago | (#35471648)

so this is why ipad2 is so cheap. tiny 512mb ram. and shitty cameras. no wonder samsung is finding it difficult to compete with its 1gb ram tablet with a 2mp front cam and an 8mp rear cam, 1080p recording, dual core graphics, dual core cpu.
only steve jobs suck-ups can call 512mb ample.

Re:512mb? really? (5, Insightful)

Dixie_Flatline (5077) | more than 3 years ago | (#35471854)

Ample here means sufficient. It seems to get the job done, and gets it done better (by all accounts) than the Samsung, despite it being half as much.

Having more RAM in and of itself isn't useful if you're not going to use it. Apple gets to save money on the memory AND beat the performance of the Samsung? That's just clever.

I don't have an iPad of any sort yet, but putting good cameras in it seems a waste of time to me. I've got an iPhone 4 that I'm far more likely to take pictures on (who wants to hold up a whole freakin' tablet to take a picture?) and a Sony cybershot that I'm MUCH more likely to take travelling with me to take movies and pictures with.

Samsung is wasting time and money spec-padding. And that dual-core graphics and CPU don't seem to be helping them any in head-to-head comparisons.

Apple has just designed a better tablet at a better price that people are willing to buy. Don't blame Apple for doing it the smart way, blame Samsung for not paying attention to what will actually perform best and attract customers.

Re:512mb? really? (1)

perryizgr8 (1370173) | more than 3 years ago | (#35472362)

Apple has just designed a better tablet at a better price that people are willing to buy.

i doubt that. its just the massive hype generation that propels shitty products like ipad, iphone to heights that they currently are at.

Re:512mb? really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35472446)

"i doubt that" = I can't prove anything but I feel like i'm correct. It's not hype if it does what you want it to do, which my iphone does.

I started with an iphone 3g, sold it because I hated at&t (I was with Verizon before that). Bought a Droid off-contract and used it until the iPhone 4 appeared on Verizon, now I'm back with the iPhone. You can bitch all you want about the or the "walled garden", but there is nothing shitty about the hardware or the usability.

Re:512mb? really? (2)

Karlt1 (231423) | more than 3 years ago | (#35472450)

i doubt that. its just the massive hype generation that propels shitty products like ipad, iphone to heights that they currently are at.

So if the iPad is shitty....

What does that say about the top of the line Android tablet?

http://gizmodo.com/#!5781376/ipad-2-benchmarks-way-better-than-the-xoom-kills-the-original-ipad [gizmodo.com]

http://thegadgets.net/feature/ipad-2-with-ios-4-3-beats-motorola-xoom-in-javascript-benchmark-tests/ [thegadgets.net]

Re:512mb? really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35472564)

Yep, it's always hype. Always. iPhone sells well? It can't be a good product, it's just hype. iPad sells well? Just hype. iPad 2 sells well? Just more hype.

It's impossible that it might actually be a good product. Everyone is wrong except you.

Re:512mb? really? (2)

artor3 (1344997) | more than 3 years ago | (#35472700)

Ample here means sufficient. It seems to get the job done, and gets it done better (by all accounts) than the Samsung, despite it being half as much.

You keep using that word, I do not think you know what it means. Ample means lots, more than enough, so much that you'll have some left over. My eight year old laptop has 512 MB, and considering that tablets are essentially touch-screen laptops, it makes the RAM in the iPad far from "ample". Sufficient? Maybe. But ample has a completely different meaning. Pretending that the words mean the same thing is called "lying".

Samsung is wasting time and money spec-padding. And that dual-core graphics and CPU don't seem to be helping them any in head-to-head comparisons.

How can they compete when the media is either in love with or employed by Apple? The iPad 2 was front page news for days. Every morning show host was playing around with one, infomercial style. Most companies need to pay for advertising. How much does Apple pay?

Re:512mb? really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35472150)

Bill Gates does not suck up to Steve Jobs!

Re:512mb? really? (1)

itsdapead (734413) | more than 3 years ago | (#35472384)

no wonder samsung is finding it difficult to compete with its 1gb ram tablet with a 2mp front cam and an 8mp rear cam, 1080p recording, dual core graphics, dual core cpu.

So why don't Samsung produce a camera with less RAM (the iPad 1 seems to work fine with 256MB) a VGA front cam (more than good enough for video calling) and a 720p rear cam (why the fsck would you want to record 1080p through a pinhole lens on a device with limited internal storage or take 8MP photos on a slab which is ergonomically hopeless as a camera?) Making sure it has the latest version of Android (i.e. one actually designed for tablets) would be a good idea, as would not choosing a lame 7" form factor (16:9 to boot) that makes it too big for a phone and too small for a tablet.

If devices like the XOOM and Galaxy Tab were undercutting Apple and had these higher specs then yes, that ought to be a winner (more RAM/better Cameras is certainly nice to have) but they're not. Nor are they going to get anywhere until Android Honeycomb is out and stable.

However, I do wonder if Samsung/MOTO's problem is that they are pricing their tablet offerings according to the mobile phone business model: inflate the RRP so that carriers can offer big discounts with contracts.

Re:512mb? really? (1)

iluvcapra (782887) | more than 3 years ago | (#35472578)

I suspect the sort of hardware Samsung and Moto have to squeeze into a tablet, in order to compete with an iPad on performance, says more about Android than it does about Apple.

Ample 512mb ram? (-1, Offtopic)

joocemann (1273720) | more than 3 years ago | (#35471670)

Sorry to burst your applesauce bubble, but 512mb ram is hardly ample in 2011.

Truth mod me up, fanboy mod me down. In the end, you know an expensive piece of tech like this should have at least double, if not quadruple that ram... its 2011, don't forget that.

Re:Ample 512mb ram? (4, Interesting)

illumastorm (172101) | more than 3 years ago | (#35471922)

While it is true that desktops and laptops need more than 2GBs of RAM to even run an OS such as Windows. The iPad can get away with 512MB of RAM is due to the fact that the OS and the apps aren't as big as Windows or Windows programs. 512MBs is alot of RAM considering what the iPad is and what it can do.

Re:Ample 512mb ram? (2)

metalmaster (1005171) | more than 3 years ago | (#35471978)

im by no means a fanboy. I dont own an iDevice and i never will, because i prefer the alternatives

With that said...
If devs can write software that uses resources efficiently 512MB just might be plenty. Just because desktops take advantage of hexcore processors and 16GB of RAM doesnt mean a tablet should too. Additionally, it could be an energy saving measure. Im no expert on the matter, so i'd have to ask do higher capacity RAM chips consume more energy?

Re:Ample 512mb ram? (5, Interesting)

Timmmm (636430) | more than 3 years ago | (#35472000)

Are you aware that on Android, apps are limited to 24 MB each? I've no idea what the limit is on iOS, but I can't see why 512 MB wouldn't be plenty.

Re:Ample 512mb ram? (5, Insightful)

itsdapead (734413) | more than 3 years ago | (#35472032)

Sorry to burst your applesauce bubble, but 512mb ram is hardly ample in 2011.

Thanks for the valuable info. Without your wisdom, how would I know that the 256MB RAM on my iPad 1 was so pitifully inadequate?

On other systems, users would know that they had inadequate RAM due to the usual symptoms (machine slowing to a crawl, errors, crashes) but Evil Apple has conspired to ensure that these rarely happen on the typical iPad, fooling customers into think that, because their device runs perfectly, they have adequate RAM.

The rascals! I feel soiled.

Re:Ample 512mb ram? (0)

artor3 (1344997) | more than 3 years ago | (#35472716)

I love how all the fanbois are crawling out to insist that "ample" and "adequate" are synonyms.

Re:Ample 512mb ram? (1)

sjbe (173966) | more than 3 years ago | (#35472070)

Sorry to burst your applesauce bubble, but 512mb ram is hardly ample in 2011.

Depends entirely on the device and what you are using it for. There are plenty of devices in 2011 for which 512mb is a huge amount of RAM. Just because you can put more memory in a device doesn't mean it is needed. Comparing the iPad hardware to a desktop/laptop computer is pretty much pointless because they run very different software and are used for different (if sometimes overlapping) purposes. The fact that my desktop PC has 4GB of RAM has means absolutely nothing with regard to how much is appropriate in a tablet PC.

In the end, you know an expensive piece of tech like this should have at least double, if not quadruple that ram

Maybe you like throwing money at hardware you are never going to use but personally I'd rather it have exactly the amount I actually will use. Anything more is a waste of money and resources. That extra memory is not free. When you can actually point to a specific use for that extra memory then (and ONLY then) will I concede the point. But right now your argument is basically that because it was technologically possible to put more memory on the device they should have.

Disclosure: I don't own an iPad nor do I plan on it anytime soon.

Re:Ample 512mb ram? (1)

MysteriousPreacher (702266) | more than 3 years ago | (#35472600)

Truth mod me up, fanboy mod me down..

Old martyr meme is old.

Re:Ample 512mb ram? (3, Insightful)

Dzimas (547818) | more than 3 years ago | (#35472726)

You're missing three key things.

1. The 512MB of memory is incorporated on the A5 chip, along with a dual core CPU and GPU. It's a system on a chip that's estimated to cost a mere $28.90. The true magic in iPad is the hardware engineering -- it's all about providing the best user experience on dirt cheap hardware. For the first time in mass market history, the case (including display) costs more to manufacture than the computer it contains.

2. iOS is a compact mobile OS that runs on homogeneous hardware. There are essentially only two different hardware options. Developers know with absolute certainty how their apps perform when they ship and don't need to overspec hardware requirements -- if it runs sluggishly, they need to recode it. Period.

3. Nearly everyone who owns a computer isn't a computer user. They've never compiled code in their lives and haven't got a clue how their machines work. They're not hard-core gamers, either. They just want to connect with others, write a few letters, surf and play cheap games. They don't need a quad core machine with 16GB of RAM and a few terabytes of drive space for that.

Why can't Android makers use the same parts... (1)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 3 years ago | (#35471704)

...and copy the sleek design to create a product that is equally appealing to the eyes and twice or three times as powerful?

Re:Why can't Android makers use the same parts... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35471946)

...and copy the sleek design to create a product that is equally appealing to the eyes and twice or three times as powerful?

They don't have $7 billion to buy (pre pay) for millions of the most expensive parts. This gives Apple a heck of a cost of goods advantage.

Re:Why can't Android makers use the same parts... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35471992)

Because Apple buys up the entire stock of their parts.

Re:Why can't Android makers use the same parts... (4, Insightful)

itsdapead (734413) | more than 3 years ago | (#35472224)

...and copy the sleek design to create a product that is equally appealing to the eyes and twice or three times as powerful?

Ignoring the "economy of scale" issue (Apple orders displays, Flash etc. in huge quantities to get low prices) how do you make it twice or three times as powerful and still use the same parts?

Faster processors/graphics cost more. They generate more heat (so you can't pack them in as tightly) and they use more power (so you have to make the battery bigger or sacrifice battery life).

Higher-res cameras cost more, and probably use more power/generate more heat to boot. They're usually less sensitive (less light falls on each pixel) which means poorer low-light performance, or more amplification (more noise, more power, more heat => even more noise) or built-in illumination (more power/heat). Higher-quality cameras need higher-quality lenses which occupy more space.

Many of the "improvements" that Apple critics ask for also occupy more space or consume more power: more USB/SD/video connections = more space occupied by connectors and their internal cables and daughterboards + more complex and expensive assembly. Removable battery = user-proof internal battery connectors, extra protection to stop users damaging innards when replacing battery (more space, weight), need to make the battery rigid and safe to handle outside the case (more space, weight, less volume for battery) user-removable back (more space, weight...).

Re:Why can't Android makers use the same parts... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35472270)

If they used the same parts, it'd hardly be twice or three times as powerful.

Re:Why can't Android makers use the same parts... (1)

currently_awake (1248758) | more than 3 years ago | (#35472462)

Probably because apple subsidizes the (hardware) cost from apps and itunes, something an open system can't do.

GLUED on? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35471744)

And they're asking several hundred dollars for it? How stupid can people get?

babys et al; tear down for our own/others' guts (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35471836)

certainly makes the case for having a full tear (fall) down? what do they intend to prove? just what do they intend at all? gut staring? what's that all about?

Re:babys et al; tear down for our own/others' guts (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35471910)

ten of them streaming across that internet? and what happens to your own personal internet?

Q; aren't their first few poops difficult? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35472036)

once their guts (or any other part) are severed (by mortar rounds (get used to saying that?)), everything comes out at once. sometimes, the mommys are unable to die on the same spot, although it would be their preference, & are instead captured, tortured etc.... they do tend to try to stare at what's left of their babys as they're hauled away/dying themselves. it's almost never 'quick' (like on tv) either. see you after that stops.

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