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Hands-on Face-off: IPad 2 V Motorola Xoom

CmdrTaco posted more than 3 years ago | from the i-have-neither-one dept.

Android 375

GMGruman writes "Is the iPad 2 all that it's cracked up to be? Or does the first Honeycomb Android tablet, the Xoom, still hold up? I spent an intense weekend comparing the two tablets, detailing in this review how each performs in a battery of tests."

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Winning! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35480908)

I spent an intense weekend having a threesome with two porn stars. I think that means I win.

- Charlie Sheen

Re:Winning! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35481142)

Loved your cooking show, but was unable to recreate the results due to the lack of the secret ingredient "Charlie Sheen".

Re:Winning! (1)

doug (926) | more than 3 years ago | (#35481780)

Actually, you need "tiger blood". And believe it or not, you can order it from Paula Dean's website.

Extra Extra! (5, Insightful)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 3 years ago | (#35480914)

The Xoom has features that the iPad doesn't. The iPad's UI is smoother than the inaugural Android 3 (Honeycomb) release. We needed 7 pages to tell us that??

Single page view here: (4, Informative)

teh31337one (1590023) | more than 3 years ago | (#35480942)

Re:Single page view here: (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35480986)

thanks karma whore

Re:Single page view here: (-1, Troll)

teh31337one (1590023) | more than 3 years ago | (#35481072)

Eh, I'm pretty sure my karmeh has reached the cap, and doesn't go higher.

Re:Extra Extra! (4, Insightful)

Americano (920576) | more than 3 years ago | (#35480944)

No, we need 7 pages to generate enough ad impressions to pay someone's salary.

We only need one sentence to tell us that they both have significant numbers of common features, and each has a few strengths that the other doesn't.

Only needed one page (2)

name_already_taken (540581) | more than 3 years ago | (#35481034)

I stopped reading at the bottom of page 1, where there was a comparison chart detailing that both tablets scored pretty much the same on all the tests, with a slight edge for the iPad in one of the tests.

Really, why bother reading beyond the point that the Xoom scores average 8.0 and the iPad scores average 8.4?

Re:Only needed one page (1)

Vanderhoth (1582661) | more than 3 years ago | (#35481488)

I don't know, I saw the chart and on, I believe, page three it goes on to detail the available apps. The Xoom scored lower then the iPad2 in that area, but after reading the reasoning I think the chart might be in error. The article seems to say the default apps that come with the Xoom are more robust, with excellent plans for expanding functionality the iPad2 has no intention of implementing (ie. Flash). The only negative mention I picked out about the Xoom is currently it's lacking choices for apps in the app market. Big surprise there, the iPad one has been out for a while so I imagine they'll be lots of carry over software. The Xoom is using the newest Android OS, I don't know why there wouldn't be the same carry over from the version I have on my phone 2.2. That aside, I'm not sure why that matters as we've seen with just about every other trendy device that uses "apps" almost immediately after they hit the shelves every company, programmer and their dogs starts writing software for them. I'm sure the Xoom won't be any different.

Re:Only needed one page (3, Informative)

peragrin (659227) | more than 3 years ago | (#35481724)

The xoom doesn't have flash either. Adobe hasn't approved it yet it might be available some time in April only 2-4 weeks behind the original schedule of mid march.

The xoom shipped with a nonfunctional SD card slot .

The big problem with android is there are to many hardware choices leading to huge gaps in functionality, which vastly screws up the available software.

any iphone app will work on an ipad, but not every android app will work on a honeycomb tablet.

I find this sucks. while I like the ipad as it is a lot smoother interface than android, I find it is to large for my personal tastes. So I have to wait for 12-18 months for some company to come out with a decent wifi only android tablet.

Re:Only needed one page (1)

Ccmods (1020667) | more than 3 years ago | (#35481956)

Flash is due in the marketplace on March 18th, according to the last system update I got on my Xoom. It's possible it's been delayed again, but that was their latest update as of last Saturday. Also the SDCard slot appears to have some sort of plastic stopper over it, so it'll probably be a hardware upgrade (and shipping back to motorola), but I haven't attempted to pull mine apart to verify that.

Re:Only needed one page (5, Insightful)

coinreturn (617535) | more than 3 years ago | (#35481730)

My take of that paragraph was completely different. Here's the money quote:

"...but the number of tablet-specific apps in the Android Market has more than doubled in the past two weeks, from 16 to 37."

You must be f@cking joking me. There are over 65K tablet-specific apps in the Apple app store. And this just nudges the iPad one point over the Xoom? Pfft. Butt-kissing "deathmatch" refuses to piss off either manufacturer by intentionally splitting the final score by a measly 5% difference.

Re:Extra Extra! (5, Insightful)

znu (31198) | more than 3 years ago | (#35481124)

Fortunately, you don't have to bother reading past the first page, because it contains a dead giveaway that the article is essentially just shallow filler content designed not to offend anyone.

The iPad, with 60,000 + tablet-optimied apps, scores a nine for application support, while the Xoom, with a handful of tablet-optimized apps, scores an 8? Seriously? And all the arbitrarily chosen criteria are equally weighted? Meaningless nonsense.

I want a tablet. (1)

jason777 (557591) | more than 3 years ago | (#35480918)

I'd really like a tablet to run my home automation display. But the cheap Android ones are no good (poor screens, buggy), and the xoom is way to expensive. I hate Apple for how the lock down their products, and how they act as a company. But the ipad2 so definitely the better buy. Still, I'm going to wait a while and see what happens.

Re:I want a tablet. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35481012)

If you want a tablet to do something other than read magazines and play games and music, all of which partly pay for the iPad because you buy them from Apple and Apple takes a significant fraction of the revenue as basically pure profit, then you'll want something other than an iPad, because Apple has locked down the iPad to make it difficult to use for anything other than reading magazines and playing games and music, all of which Apple takes a significant fraction of the revenue from as basically pure profit to offset the loss incurred from selling iPads at or below cost and certainly at less than the markup they get from their MacBooks.

Re:I want a tablet. (1)

gregulator (756993) | more than 3 years ago | (#35481454)

... or you could just use a web interface. Then you could get to it on the ipad, ipad2, iphone, iphone5, Xoom, laptop, netbook, boxee browser, etc.

Re:I want a tablet. (3, Interesting)

Sonny Yatsen (603655) | more than 3 years ago | (#35481912)

Have you considered a Nook Color? It's cheap - 250 dollars and, if rooted, it is a fully functional Android tablet.

Whole article on one page (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35480922)

Why buy an iPad 2.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35480960)

...when the iPad 3 is coming out in the fall?

Re:Why buy an iPad 2.... (1, Insightful)

RightSaidFred99 (874576) | more than 3 years ago | (#35481232)

You must be new to the Apple Mentality...

Re:Why buy an iPad 2.... (1)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 3 years ago | (#35481366)

...when the iPad 3 is coming out in the fall?

<sarcasm>But, but, can't I buy both? Why should I be forced to choose? Who makes these crazy rules governing what I can or can't buy relating to an iPad?</sarcasm>

Re:Why buy an iPad 2.... (2)

PhilHibbs (4537) | more than 3 years ago | (#35481402)

Well, there'll be an iPad 4 next year, so might as well wait for that. Or, maybe even the iPad 5.

Tablet Deathmatch? (1)

cultiv8 (1660093) | more than 3 years ago | (#35480970)

Deathmatch, really? I was hoping to see tablets thrown over buildings and smashed on the ground, not a comparison of iOS 4 vs. Honeycomb.

Re:Tablet Deathmatch? (1)

Haedrian (1676506) | more than 3 years ago | (#35481018)

The Xoom would win in that regard. The iPad is thinner.

Re:Tablet Deathmatch? (2)

MikeDirnt69 (1105185) | more than 3 years ago | (#35481038)

"Does it blend - Deathmatch" sounds more amusing to me :D

commercial uses for iPad? (1)

Hazel Bergeron (2015538) | more than 3 years ago | (#35480978)

I used to use the Compaq TC1000 as a tablet for business and pleasure. But I have never been able to get to grips with the iPad: I find handwriting more useful than fingerpainting, there's a lack of hardware expandability, and it just doesn't have the software base of Windows. Can people tell me what experiences they've had using an iPad in a commercial environment for getting work done? Thanks.

Re:commercial uses for iPad? (1)

drosboro (1046516) | more than 3 years ago | (#35481144)

I love my iPad, but I'd love it even more if there were a stylus. I'm in education, and so it gets used all the time for reading - I keep all my notes (which were created elsewhere) on it, and refer to them as I teach. The amount of material I can now avoid lugging around the school is rather a lot, so from that perspective, it's great.

If it had a stylus (and now that it has proper video-out), I'd use it in place of the Tablet-PC I keep for writing notes on. That would really make me happy, since the Tablet-PC is expensive, clunky, and I either have to choose between bloat-ware (OneNote) in Windows or mild driver issues in Linux.

Yes, I know there's a stylus or two available for the iPad, but they're completely useless when legibility and speed are both required.

So, I feel your pain (even though I'm not in a commercial environment)...

Re:commercial uses for iPad? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35481788)

That is one of the major problems with capacitive touchscreen devices. They are designed for fingers and have poor accuracy. Personally, I am looking for a tablet with decent specs, but that uses a resistive multi-touch screen so I can use it for writing and art.

Re:commercial uses for iPad? (0)

davidbrit2 (775091) | more than 3 years ago | (#35481290)

I hate handwriting input, personally. I'd much rather have a keyboard for text input (except in those rare occasions where I need to enter an unfamiliar Japanese character or something). So in this regard, a multi-touch screen like on the iPad would provide a better keyboard than a stylus-driven Wacom digitizer on a traditional tablet PC.

And I don't have an iPad (yet), but even with my tiny little iPhone, I do a fair amount of remote desktop and other administrative tasks, so it seems like a viable option at this point.

Re:commercial uses for iPad? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35481688)

I used to use the Compaq TC1000 as a tablet for business and pleasure. But I have never been able to get to grips with the iPad: I find handwriting more useful than fingerpainting, there's a lack of hardware expandability, and it just doesn't have the software base of Windows. Can people tell me what experiences they've had using an iPad in a commercial environment for getting work done? Thanks.

First, you have to understand that the new generation of tablets are not replacements for PCs. They're not made for running Windows desktop apps; Windows tablets like the Compaq were a huge flop in the market.

Tablets are useful whenever the user will be moving around, or in meetings or group activities where the lid of a laptop would be a barrier to interaction. Especially a scenario in which users will be passing the tablet around from one to another. Tablets are better at replacing paper or books than they are at replacing PCs.

Software wise, you'd mostly be looking at web sites ("web apps"), document viewers, or media playback situations.

Some concrete examples:

- Focus groups with interactive questionnaires
- Self-paced presentations (as opposed to speaker-driven PowerPoints)
- Architects or designers showing CAD renderings

Slashdotters will point out that a regular PC could do all of that. But many ordinary folks are subconsciously inhibited by seeing something on a regular PC. Tablets seem more approachable. Handing someone something and saying "take this and look it over" has a very different effect than sitting them down and saying, "let me show this to you."

iPad has much wider software base (2)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 3 years ago | (#35481728)

It just doesn't have the software base of Windows

I strongly disagree. The iPad has a huge range of software now, enough so that if you want productivity or content creation apps for just about anything, the iPad almost has an edge over the desktop (where competition is weakened by huge players like Photoshop and Office).

If you are talking about tablets specifically, then the iPad really has a huge lead over any Windows tablet past or present.

There are even a number of apps geared to writing with a stylus, if that is your thing. Or you could just get a compact Bluetooth keyboard if you find you can't type quickly on screen (I find I can touch type pretty quickly with it sitting on my lap or a table).

As posted before, Anandtech did it very well (5, Informative)

Shivetya (243324) | more than 3 years ago | (#35480982)

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4216/apple-ipad-2-gpu-performance-explored-powervr-sgx543mp2-benchmarked [anandtech.com]

and their review helps as well http://www.anandtech.com/show/4215/apple-ipad-2-benchmarked-dualcore-cortex-a9-powervr-sgx-543mp2 [anandtech.com]

The key items to take away from both are, yeah the cameras suck but this is truly a real upgrade from the iPad. Performance alone puts is ahead of the older model as well as many available tablets. They did find out that the dual core processor is actually running at only 900mhz. While the Xoom pushes more pixels because of its 1280x800 versus 1078x768 the iPad2 pulls far ahead of it, beyond what the pixel count would account for. As for gaming, some games are already taking advantage of the new power, Infinity Blade has been updated and looks fantastic. This brings up the issue, will there be apps sold that are marked iPad2 required?

Better yet, its cheaper than its nearest competition. The only question is, how long before really good Android tablets come along?
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* to prevent kharma whoring feel free to mark it funny

Re:As posted before, Anandtech did it very well (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35481086)

This brings up the issue, will there be apps sold that are marked iPad2 required?

Apple fans won't like that at all - a lot of them seem to spend most of their time worrying about "fragmentation" even in relation to products they don't own.

Re:As posted before, Anandtech did it very well (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35481120)

* to prevent kharma whoring feel free to mark it funny

Presumptuous much?

Re:As posted before, Anandtech did it very well (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35481190)

It does blow the Xoom away GPU wise but as one Anandtech poster put it (mirroring my thoughts)

RE: NGP by somata on Sunday, March 13, 2011
As impressive as the performance of modern low-power GPUs is, it helps to put things in perspective:

Tegra 2 - 4.8 GFLOPS (8, 1-way ALUs @ ~300MHz)
PowerVR SGX543MP2 - 19.2 GFLOPS (8, 4-way ALUs @ ~300MHz??)
Radeon 9700 Pro - 33.8 GFLOPS (8, 4-way ALUs (pixel) + 4, 5-way ALUs (vertex) @ 325MHz)
Radeon 2400 Pro - 42 GFLOPS (8, 5-way ALUs @ 525 MHz)
Radeon 5450 - 104 GFLOPS (16, 5-way ALUs @ 650MHz)
Xenos (Xbox 360) - 240 GFLOPS (48, 5-way ALUs @ 500MHz)
RSX (PS3) - 255.2 GFLOPS (24, 2 x 4-way ALUs (pixel) + 8, 5-way ALUs (vertex) @ 550MHz)
Radeon 6970 - 2703.4 GFLOPS (384, 4-way ALUs @ 880MHz)

Granted, this only compares theoretical peak shader performance, and doesn't take into account the better ALU utilization of modern designs, but it should roughly correlate with general performance on modern workloads. Note that the iPad's GPU is just starting to approach Radeon 9700 (circa late-2002) levels of performance. It's impressive given the power-profile, but still nowhere near the performance of the 5-year-old consoles, and quite a bit lower than even a very low-end Radeon 2400 Pro from 2007.

The MP4 however, might come close to the Radeon 2400, depending on clocks. Once the next generation of consoles launch (hopefully next year, we'll see at E3) and game graphics likewise catch up to what modern high-end GPUs are capable of, the low-power GPUs will once again be put in their place for a number of years.

Re:As posted before, Anandtech did it very well (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35481652)

Not too shabby considering tablets are designed to run off batteries (as you mentioned) AND do it in a slab that weighs 600 grams. The original Radeon 9700's heatsink alone weighed about that much if not a little more.

Re:As posted before, Anandtech did it very well (1)

getNewNickName (980625) | more than 3 years ago | (#35481254)

This brings up the issue, will there be apps sold that are marked iPad2 required?

The Unreal Engine has no problem scaling to whatever hardware you give it. Compared to various PC configurations this should be much simpler. I foresee in the future there may be apps marked iPad2+ required when the hardware performance gets too disparate, but probably not between iPad and iPad2.

Forever Alone? (2, Insightful)

MikeDirnt69 (1105185) | more than 3 years ago | (#35480988)

Am I the only one that just don't care about tablets? Ok, it's a cool piece of tecnology, but why all that hype around it?

Everything was calm before iPad1, now everybody needs one plus every company urges to build their own.

Re:Forever Alone? (1)

Haedrian (1676506) | more than 3 years ago | (#35481138)

That's how the market works. If there are people who want to buy something, everyone is going to produce more of that thing.

I have a tablet myself, I can tell that they're very useful for certain things, and useless for others. It'll fill a niche. It doesn't deserve all the hype its getting though.

Re:Forever Alone? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35481280)

Take a look around before you make an assumption... a lot of these companies had already put out a tablet form factor device well before iPad v1.

Re:Forever Alone? (1)

MikeDirnt69 (1105185) | more than 3 years ago | (#35481418)

That's exactly my point. No hype before iPad1.

No previous hype? Think again. (2)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 3 years ago | (#35481808)

Come on, you don't remember the UMPC? That had a huge wave of hype around it. You just don't remember it because of how quickly it tanked.

At various times Microsoft also heavily promoted Windows on tablets and there were a lot of stories etc.

What there wasn't ever really, was a lot of consumer interest. So in fact you are about as wrong as you could be, miscategorizing true consumer interest as "hype" and thus claiming there was none before.

Re:Forever Alone? (3, Interesting)

Andy Dodd (701) | more than 3 years ago | (#35481520)

Part of it is that the iPad 1 was the first tablet to come out with a successful formula. Since then, some manufacturers have been intelligent enough to implement the same successful formula.

The short summary of the secret: Scaling up an OS designed for touchscreen phones (iOS, Android) to tablet size (the approach first used by iPad 1 and used by other companies since then) works, scaling down a desktop OS (Windows) to a tablet (the usual approach prior to iPad 1) doesn't.

Microsoft still hasn't learned - they're still trying to stick Windows 7 into tablets. FAIL.

Re:Forever Alone? (1)

MikeDirnt69 (1105185) | more than 3 years ago | (#35481726)

That's a reasonable answer. Plus the credit Apple have with innovative products, people were crazy about it even before the launch.

But my point is: most of people who buy this new gen. tablets could accomplish the same tasks they usually do with smartphones or less. Users are overrating themselves!

No, you're not alone, companies always do this... (1)

tekrat (242117) | more than 3 years ago | (#35481756)

No you're not alone. I also consider the tablet market 'useless' because you can't really do any real work on a tablet (unless you're in a niche where keyboards aren't required). Tablets are for media consumption, so it's really a big iPod.

And just to be fair, it wasn't Apple that started this craze, it was Amazon. Yes, Amazon. The Kindle was a more successful product than you thought, because it got lots of manufacturers thinking about a Kindle sized product that did more than read ebooks.

The January 2010 CES show was filled with Kindle knock-offs (because no one had iPad knock-offs yet). Sony alone had three different models, nevermind Samsung and Toshiba.

This year, everyone's finally got their tablet out (only 2 years behind Apple), but it's still for a product that reads ebooks, butb allows you to watch Youtube too. And surf the web. But that's about it.

But yeah, I'm amazed that companies spend a lot of R&D to make a "me too" product that will suffer lackluster sales because it's not even close to being the market leader.

They still think this is like VHS machines, where we will pick a random device off the shelf at the Wiz, and that's where their sales will come from. But that's not how Americans shop anymore. Now there's only one brand worth having: Apple. And that's because they are the market leader, so there's no point in having some other, incompatible device.

Content creation very feasible on a tablet (2)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 3 years ago | (#35481932)

I also consider the tablet market 'useless' because you can't really do any real work on a tablet (unless you're in a niche where keyboards aren't required).

Except that all current tablets support keyboards quite well, and have really good virtual keyboards in addition. And there are a ton of apps to support writing, including some that support using a stylus if you choose.

But beyond that you have no idea of what can be done on a modern tablet. I have met a number of people who have replaced laptops with an iPad because the iPad works perfectly well at correspondence and writing documents.

I also find it works better at drawing than a PC (unless you buy a tablet) and it's also better suited to playing music than anything other than a real instrument.

At this point the only thing that keeps the iPad being a truly viable replacement for a computer is the need to sync it to a computer. But if you buy in an Apple Store you can have them set it up there, and then just buy apps and media on the device going forward (though it makes me cringe at the thought of people doing that and not backing up the device regularly).

Re:Forever Alone? (0)

yog (19073) | more than 3 years ago | (#35481774)

Am I the only one that just don't care about tablets? Ok, it's a cool piece of tecnology, but why all that hype around it?
  Everything was calm before iPad1, now everybody needs one plus every company urges to build their own.

No you're not the only one, but in fact you're a great example of people who want the world to agree with them despite their lack of knowledge. Sorry if this assumption is wrong, but until you've tried a modern tablet and adapted it into your daily routines, you can't seriously have anything to contribute to a discussion on the topic.

Tablets, notably the iPad, have been found to be very useful. Fifteen million people didn't just throw away their money last year, not to mention millions more who are snapping up the newer model. You can dispense with the legacy user interface cruft such as mouse interaction and needlessly complicated file operations, and just focus on getting information you need, and sending it to others as you wish.

Re:Forever Alone? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35481872)

Am I the only one that just don't care about tablets?

Hell no, but..

Everything was calm before iPad1

..for whatever reason, the iPad sold. They didn't just make a tablet; they made a tablet that a lot of people bought. There are lots of cynical explanations for that, and I happen to think most of those explanations are true, but it's also true that the sales happened and also got a lot of press too. You can't expect there to not be a rush to introduce a bunch of tablets to the market, after something like that happens.

If you think a personal computer with a highly (and artificially) limited selection of application software, which lacks a keyboard but is also too big to fit in your pocket, is something you are not interested in, then don't buy one. I'm not buying one either.

Beyond that, look on the bright side. This is fueling development (and volume) in lower-power CPUs, batteries, kernels, etc. One or more of these components may end up being useful a few years down the road when someone finally uses them to build something you like. And you'll have gotten someone else to pay the development costs instead of you having to be on the bleeding edge. (I hate being on the bleeding edge. It's fun once or twice, and after that .. fuck it.) The tablet rage means your next phone or netbook or mini-itx desktop (whatever it is, that you're into) will be that much better. And it's helping to expose and chew up the stupid "app store" idea (stupid for users; for middlemen and some sellers, it's awesome), so that our society can get over it sooner.

We have seen this before. In the mid/late 1990s, it was pretty sad to see someone using a machine with an outrageously-fast 500 MHz CPU which still ended up being a shitty computer thanks to having Windows on it. And yet, so many were sold that fast CPUs and huge-capacity disks became cheap: something to be happy about. Be happy.

Re:Forever Alone? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35481940)

Am I the only one that just don't care about tablets? Ok, it's a cool piece of tecnology, but why all that hype around it?

You're probably holding it wrong.

It's the ecosystem, dummy! (3, Insightful)

bennomatic (691188) | more than 3 years ago | (#35481076)

Love Apple, hate them or something in between: nobody is going to beat the iPad, no matter how great a device they build, until they are able to build a competing "ecosystem" like Apple has done with the iTMS/AppStore. Nerds care about the specifications, but nerds aren't the target market anymore; everyone else is. And everyone else is more interested in what you can *do* with the damn thing.

Re:It's the ecosystem, dummy! (1, Insightful)

Kenja (541830) | more than 3 years ago | (#35481256)

The "ecosystem" is why I wont buy an iPad or iPhone. I want to be able to decide for myself which software I run on my computer (and dont fool yourself into thinking modern phones & tablets are not computers).

Re:It's the ecosystem, dummy! (3, Interesting)

TC Wilcox (954812) | more than 3 years ago | (#35481414)

The "ecosystem" is why I wont buy an iPad or iPhone. I want to be able to decide for myself which software I run on my computer (and dont fool yourself into thinking modern phones & tablets are not computers).

Do you also want to decide for yourself what software runs on the computer in your car? How about the computer in your toaster? Can't something have a computer in it without needing to be customizable?

Re:It's the ecosystem, dummy! (2)

Kenja (541830) | more than 3 years ago | (#35481486)

I would just as soon my car and toaster not have a computer. If they do, then yes I would prefer to be able to run third party software and modifications. For the car this can change handling and improve performance or mileage. For the toaster this could add support for imported bread.

Re:It's the ecosystem, dummy! (1)

peragrin (659227) | more than 3 years ago | (#35481778)

Your car right now has 2-5 CPU's in it for engine management, and control systems.

Unless you bought a car before the year 1995, and even then they still had a few microprocessors on board.

Re:It's the ecosystem, dummy! (2)

coinreturn (617535) | more than 3 years ago | (#35481770)

As the parent said - you are not the target market.

Re:It's the ecosystem, dummy! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35481310)

And of course for the iPad, your "ecosystem" determines what you can do with the damn thing.
Whereas non-Apple devices let you do what you want.

Re:It's the ecosystem, dummy! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35481426)

Love Apple, hate them or something in between: nobody is going to beat the iPad, no matter how great a device they build, until they are able to build a competing "ecosystem" like Apple has done with the iTMS/AppStore. Nerds care about the specifications, but nerds aren't the target market anymore; everyone else is. And everyone else is more interested in what the average user can easily *do* with the damn thing. And how pretty it looks.

Fixed that for you.

Re:It's the ecosystem, dummy! (1)

StikyPad (445176) | more than 3 years ago | (#35481452)

And everyone else is more interested in what you can *do* with the damn thing.

Correction: Everyone else is more interested in what *they* can do with the damn thing which, as you state, isn't much without pre-built and easy to access apps.

Here's the biggest stat: number of apps (0, Troll)

jmcbain (1233044) | more than 3 years ago | (#35481078)

Number of current Android tablet-specific apps (running Honeycomb): less than 100

Number of current iPad apps: over 65,000

Number of iPad apps at launch in April 2010: 2300 (citation [wsj.com] )

I'm still not sure who would buy an Android tablet. Buying one is like buying a TV that gets only 3 channels. Why purchase a tablet hoping that the app inventory will grow when you can get a state-of-the-art iPad with 65,000 apps?

Kids go where the hardware is. Adults go where the applications are. I remember learning this when I switched from Sega to Playstation when I was in college and when I switched from MacOS 7.6 to Windows 2000 when I was in grad school.

Also, to get the Xoom's 3G, you have to commit to a 2-year contract, whereas the iPad's 3G has a monthly contract.

Re:Here's the biggest stat: number of apps (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35481112)

Thats just dumb - there are thousands and thousands of apps on the Android Market

Re:Here's the biggest stat: number of apps (2)

zieroh (307208) | more than 3 years ago | (#35481238)

He said "tablet specific". It makes a really big difference. Using a tablet with a software interface designed for a phone is marginal at best.

Re:Here's the biggest stat: number of apps (2)

Overzeetop (214511) | more than 3 years ago | (#35481250)

Perhaps, but they're just not optimized for the larger screen. With such a large disparity in screen resolution, that makes a difference. An exxample would be a piano keyboard app - on the phone, you get an octave, on a tablet you get two (or perhaps two octaves and a third). That makes a big difference in usability. That's just a simple example, but there are no free tablet piano apps on Android (at least not that I could find three weeks ago). Android will catch up eventually, but it'll take another year to get all the "good" apps to tablet resolution.

I waited to see what Apple would do with the iPad2, and I'm not impressed. I'll probably try to pick up a low end / refurb'd ipad 1 and wait out the year to see what's next...

Re:Here's the biggest stat: number of apps (0)

maxume (22995) | more than 3 years ago | (#35481236)

Right, because the average consumer is going to need access to more than 20,000 apps.

The app counts matter some, but I'm pretty sure that there is an ecosystem size that serves 98% of the market, and I'd bet $0.50 that it is closer to 10,000 than it is to 100,000.

Re:Here's the biggest stat: number of apps (2)

slim (1652) | more than 3 years ago | (#35481246)

I'm still not sure who would buy an Android tablet. Buying one is like buying a TV that gets only 3 channels. Why purchase a tablet hoping that the app inventory will grow when you can get a state-of-the-art iPad with 65,000 apps?

Well, I'm not buying an Android tablet just yet, because they're too expensive -- and so are iPads. When there's a reasonably specced multitouch Android tablet for around $300, I'll snap it up, and be happy with the web brower, Tweetdeck and the Google suite of apps (GMail, Maps, Earth etc.). Anything else is an added bonus.

I predict those kind of prices within the next 12 months.

Re:Here's the biggest stat: number of apps (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35481400)

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Re:Here's the biggest stat: number of apps (0)

Haedrian (1676506) | more than 3 years ago | (#35481276)

"Tablet-Specific Apps" is just dumb.

I have a 7-inch android tablet. Lots of stuff works simply by resizing. And it looks good. If you follow proper design policy, then it';ll work. Those which don't just get a large box around the edge and the screen is 'smaller'. So this comparison is incorrect.

Re:Here's the biggest stat: number of apps (1)

Dog-Cow (21281) | more than 3 years ago | (#35481682)

You are an utter fucking moron. Please go back to your CGA graphics and leave us XGA users alone. We don't need your jealousy-induced insanity trying to convince us that an app designed for less than half the screen resolution is somehow just as good.

Re:Here's the biggest stat: number of apps (0)

RightSaidFred99 (874576) | more than 3 years ago | (#35481314)

Ahh, "tablet specific". Yeah, because I can _totally_ only use those, amirite? I like your artificial constraint.

Re:Here's the biggest stat: number of apps (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35481374)

You can get the Xoom 3G on a monthly contract. Even better, you get a $200 break on the Xoom if you decide to sign a 2-year deal, whereas the iPad offers no price break even if you use 3G all the time (though the iPad costs a bit less).

Re:Here's the biggest stat: number of apps (0)

Andy Dodd (701) | more than 3 years ago | (#35481616)

This is one of the dumbest arguments against Android I have ever seen. Normal Android apps run fine on a tablet without optimizations.

The number of "tablet-optimized" iOS apps says to me two things:
1) A bunch of people are slapping "Tablet-optimized" onto their apps without doing anything significant for marketing purposes
2) There are fundamental architectural shortcomings of iOS that make it more difficult for apps to provide a good experience on a tablet without optimization.

I know that in the case of Android, some of the apps I have used took advantage of the disparity in screen size (mainly because Android has an LCD density parameter that apps can base their rendering off of), despite not being "tablet optimized". (Parallel Kingdom is one such example - you see MUCH more of the map on tablet devices, simply due to different LCD density settings.)

Wheres the tablet with SD card reader? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35481090)

Where is the tablet that has SD card reader (not microSD)

I really wan't a tablet (not windows based) that has a normal SD card reader build in.

That way I can view photos that I have taken with my camara, and/or take back up of photos when I'm on vacation.

Re:Wheres the tablet with SD card reader? (1)

mickmel (937421) | more than 3 years ago | (#35481404)

I agree. Tablets are big enough to handle a standard SD card -- why force them to use microSD?

Re:Wheres the tablet with SD card reader? (1)

boristdog (133725) | more than 3 years ago | (#35481466)

Hear, hear!

Viewing camera photos on a larger screen while STILL away from home is one of the only good "must have" reasons I have seen for a tablet. For now I still need to carry my netbook with me to do this easily.

This is also a great "Aunt Mabel" application.

Happy Dance (1)

MonsterTrimble (1205334) | more than 3 years ago | (#35481094)

Let's cut to the chase -- the iPad 2 that Apple just released pulls further ahead in the battle with the only real competitor on the market: the Android OS 3.0 "Honeycomb" Xoom tablet from Motorola Mobility.

And the engineer in my soul sings! Summary and THEN the backing info!

One other thought. Why the hell can't Thunderbird work with exchange properly if everyone else can?

Re:Happy Dance (2)

Dog-Cow (21281) | more than 3 years ago | (#35481696)

One other thought. Why the hell can't Thunderbird work with exchange properly if everyone else can?

Both Apple and Google license ActiveSync from MS.

Get the HP Slate (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35481100)

Get the HP Slate [hp.com] . I just got mine and I absolutely love it.

The battery life isn't the best, but it is a *real* computer that can be used for *actual* work. Windows 7, Flash, Bluetooth, 2 cameras, SD card slot, 64GB SSD, nice carrying case, USB ports, HDMI out, & a tilted stand. IMO it's truly an iPad killer. Apples to apples, the HP slate does more than either the iPad or the Xoom. No need to purchase apps, it's fully capable out of the box.

Sure it's not as thin as the iPad, but who really cares about that? The slate is small and lightweight.

Non-story (0)

digitallife (805599) | more than 3 years ago | (#35481116)

A complete non-story. Basically it says the iPad2 is much better, but we really really want to make it look like there is competition (to drive hits to our ads of course). The Xoom costs more too.

As far as I can tell, every other tablet manufacturer is a generation behind, more expensive, built cheaper, and has worse software/support than the iPads. I think it will take a few years for the field to balance out.

Lack of filesystem cripples the iPad/iPad2 (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35481122)

As an owner of an android phone (Droid), I was keen on buying an android based tablet but eventually bit the bullet and purchased an iPad for $350 (refurb from apple) as I was sure that I wouldn't find a good android tablet at that price point anytime soon. As much as I've wanted to like the iPad (and I do like a lot of things including the amazing IPS LCD screen), I was amazed to learn that Apple has chosen not to have a native filesystem on its products. Making things worse - each App runs in its own sandbox with no ability to access files in another apps filesystem.

This has been a massive disappointment for me. I primarily bought the iPad for reading and organizing a lot of academic publications and texts, so that I could always have my library of papers and textbooks available to me. Right now, I have all my PDFs imported into iAnnotate (a PDF reading/editing app), but none of the other PDF reading/editing apps such as GoodReader or Papers (similar to Mendeley) can access these PDFs. I can only "open" a file from within iAnnotate in another app, but this is fundamentally useless as it doesn't even share the same physical file, but instead, creates a copy that is moved into the other apps sandbox. Any changes made to the file in the other app, do not reflect back in the original copy in iAnnotate.

This alone has rendered the iPad pretty useless to me. Using Dropbox to sync files in different apps helps to some extent, but is still really stupid because a) I am unnecessarily using bandwidth I shouldn't need to use just to share the same file library between different apps & b) I now have 2 complete duplicates of my library stored locally on my ipad for the 2 apps I am using.

This is a complete mess and I can't begin to understand why universities and schools would spend tons of money buying iPads for kids when it can't even handle having a common filesystem - allowing different apps to access their documents. All the other Apple decisions I can understand (closed system, etc), but not having a filesystem? How are you even supposed to consider it for serious use without one? I don't give a fuck if it is dual core or quad core. If I can't even share files across different applications on my iPad, it has very little value to me.

Considering that Apple hasn't attempted to remedy the situation so far, I have very little hope that things will improve. I guess I'll just wait another year or so for Android to get a bit more polished and then buy an Android tablet. I find it funny that Steve Jobs kept reiterating that the iPad2 isn't a "toy", and yet, it seems most suited to run single apps at a time without any ability to share your documents and files amongst applications on the iPad2.

Re:Lack of filesystem cripples the iPad/iPad2 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35481722)

That seems kind of unfortunate, especially because Android is the only OS which actually could feasibly get away without a filesystem, relying on the internet instead (except it doesn't).

Is there no other ways to share data between apps on iOS? I presume background services don't exist. What about IPC? No 'intents' equivalent? No shared storage?

Re:Lack of filesystem cripples the iPad/iPad2 (1)

Dog-Cow (21281) | more than 3 years ago | (#35481776)

I agree that it would be nice to have a better app-sharing facility, but it's not as if the current implementation is a secret.

Also, all i-Devices have a proper filesystem, they just chroot apps.

A serious, non-troll question (1)

ThatsNotPudding (1045640) | more than 3 years ago | (#35481302)

When does Apple (and especially iTunes) become too 'big' w.r.t. anti-trust issues? What are the metrics used?

Re:A serious, non-troll question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35481476)

The size of funding bundled with the anti-trust investigation tip.

Re:A serious, non-troll question (2)

PhilHibbs (4537) | more than 3 years ago | (#35481512)

When they use a monopoly position in one market as leverage to gain a monopoly in another. Having one monopoly isn't in any way illegal. Abusing it to gain another is. And Apple don't even have one monopoly or overwhelmingly dominant position yet. Don't like the iPhone? Plenty of other phones out there. Same with iPad, iPod, Mac, etc.

Re:A serious, non-troll question (1)

Kenja (541830) | more than 3 years ago | (#35481558)

Really there is no metric. Its what ever a judge decides. The "market" can be defined as anything they want in the end. I recall one anti-trust suite in which the market was defined as something like drinks containing x% of apple juice in plastic bottles between y & z fluid ounces.

Re:A serious, non-troll question (1)

robus (852325) | more than 3 years ago | (#35481656)

When Apple starts telling retailers that if they want to stock the iPad then they can't stock competing products. Basically when Apple starts interfering with the tablet market in general rather than just offering the most competitive product at this time.

Re:A serious, non-troll question (1)

Dog-Cow (21281) | more than 3 years ago | (#35481836)

Size has never mattered. 1) Apple has no monopoly on any (reasonably defined) market. 2) Apple is not anti-competitive in any market in which it participates. There have always been PCs, audio players, phones and tablets that were not Apple's, and likely always will be.

Apple controls its own software and hardware, but it imposes no control on any other player. That's what makes your hypothetical question the wishful thinking of a rabid bigot.

How bout a column for platform compatibility? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35481316)

Just saying.. If you run any "free" OS, you're not getting iTunes, hence you can't use your iWhatever. That's enough for me to ignore the platform entirely. Yes the iPad is faster and prettier (IMO), but still. I'm not doing lock-in. Yes, I bought a Xoom.

A tie on web comparisons? Really? (1, Informative)

Assmasher (456699) | more than 3 years ago | (#35481386)

One has Flash and the other doesn't.

Don't get me wrong, I have an iPad2 (I'm getting a wifi only Xoom later this month) and it's great and seems to beat Xoom in quite a few areas, but I cannot fathom how you can compare their web experiences and call them equivalent when flash still doesn't exist on iOS due to Jobs' ridiculous ego.

Re:A tie on web comparisons? Really? (1)

nwoolls (520606) | more than 3 years ago | (#35481472)

AFAIK neither of them currently have Flash.

Re:A tie on web comparisons? Really? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35481748)

Flash can easily be sideloaded on the Xoom today, and it will have "officially" supported Flash very shortly.

Flash on the iPad will not be forthcoming anytime soon.

Re:A tie on web comparisons? Really? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35481736)

No, Xoom does NOT have Flash. That is something that might come "later." No, Xoom does not take memory cards as the slot is, as of now, a non-working dummy slot. No, Xoom can not play Hulu or Netflix because the hardware doesn't support it yet. Just how many YouTube videos can you watch?

I can't figure out why it took seven pages to declare what every other review Xoom has said: Xoom is an $800 buggy beta product not yet ready for prime time. Love them or hate them, the iPad is another iPod: Apple caught everyone off guard and all the competitors will be nothing more than Zune-like also-rans. But hey, at least Zune worked well, unlike the sad and embarrassing Xoom.

Re:A tie on web comparisons? Really? (2)

pyite (140350) | more than 3 years ago | (#35481888)

Not having Flash is a feature. I don't have it on my desktop and I sure as hell don't want it on my phone or tablet.

Re:A tie on web comparisons? Really? (1)

PintoPiman (648009) | more than 3 years ago | (#35481980)

Yeah, I guess you could say that the lack of Flash is an advantage for the iPad, but you CAN turn Flash off on a Xoom, right?

I think you're being a bit unfair to the Xoom when Flash-free nirvana is really like just a check box away.

Is the problem that the Xoom enables Flash by default (I wouldn't know, I haven't got one)? I suppose I could see the argument that users who don't know about the check box will have to suffer...

Apple's stragtegic inclusion of features (1)

coldsalmon (946941) | more than 3 years ago | (#35481500)

It seems to me that Apple doesn't make their devices as good as they can be -- only good enough to be a lot better than the competition. If they can be the market leader without X feature, they won't include it. When the competition catches up with the first generation, then they'll release the second generation with X feature, to once again put themselves one step ahead. Why would they make the iPad 1 with dual cameras, when it would sell just as well without them, because it had no real competition?

Re:Apple's stragtegic inclusion of features (2)

Zinner (873653) | more than 3 years ago | (#35481822)

Apple includes features that actually work when the product is released, not half-cooked or fantasy features for the sake of making a bigger list. The most ridiculous thing about Motorola's product is the lack of real, rather than "real soon now" features and the poor quality and testing of the features it actually has. Rushed and sloppy. No excuse for that.

iPad has won (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35481516)

Purely because it has people forming long lines to have epic buttsex while I give them faptime and let them lift my smart covers to my magical device.

What? (3, Insightful)

bluefoxlucid (723572) | more than 3 years ago | (#35481792)

The Xoom tablet displays mail as black text on a white background (as does the iPad 2), not as white text on a black background in the manner of Android smartphones. Thus, the messages are much more readable.

Uh, my phone displays black text on white background; this of course makes text much less readable than white text on black background like most high-contrast settings for visually-impaired users provide.

A bit bias I think (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35481796)

While for the most part the review is very good, I have to say he does overlook some wins the XOOM has and calls it a tie, or gives it to the iPad. For example, he says the XOOM no longer has the upper hand in cables and such, but then goes on to say how much you have to pay for these cables and adapter for the iPad... I don't think accessories should be part of the consideration. Also he fails to mention video chat quality, which means that the XOOM 2mp front facing camera really noticeably out does the iPad VGA. He also talks about in internet usage how the XOOM scores better in tests, but then uses his subjective view of which is faster...
That's not all, i didn't take notes as I read and I am not saying he's a fanboy, I just think he should have been objective and a bit more scientific in the grading as opposed to "yep, iPad"

Battery Life (1)

Eponymous Coward (6097) | more than 3 years ago | (#35481870)

Too bad the Xoom has such mediocre battery life. There's really no excuse for that. I have an Android phone (Nexus S) and want an Android tablet, but I'm not buying one with a 5-6 hour battery life.

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