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DHS Chief Wants Better Algorithms For Analyzing Intelligence Data

Soulskill posted more than 3 years ago | from the if-oil-then-liberate dept.

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coondoggie writes "Better algorithms to spot patterns and trends within the mass of information the Department of Homeland Security sees everyday are key to national security. That was but one of the talking points DHS chief Janet Napolitano focused on in a lecture on the role of science and technology at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology today. 'DHS is part of the nation's Intelligence Community, which receives more terabytes of data each day than the entire text holdings of the Library of Congress. The National Counterterrorism Center's 24-hour Operations Center receives 8,000 to 10,000 pieces of counterterrorist information every day. We receive data about all of this, and it is clearly too much to suggest that the simplistic "connect the dots" analogy accurately represents what an analyst must do. Very quickly, you can see that "Big Data" – more so than the lack of data – becomes the most pressing problem. At the same time, the threats implicated by the data are not static.'"

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Yeah right (2, Informative)

Pseudonym Authority (1591027) | more than 3 years ago | (#35487288)

More like he wants to be able to sift through more people data and make files on every citizen faster, am I right?

Re:Yeah right (1)

el_tedward (1612093) | more than 3 years ago | (#35487304)

An algorithm isn't going to give him access to any more information.

Re:Yeah right (1)

Pseudonym Authority (1591027) | more than 3 years ago | (#35487326)

I never insinuated that they had any lack of data, only that they wanted to do it faster.

Re:Yeah right (1)

el_tedward (1612093) | more than 3 years ago | (#35487362)

Well, you said more people data, so I just assumed :p

Re:Yeah right (1)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 3 years ago | (#35488060)

It's not my fault that Buttle's heart condition didn't appear on Tuttle's file!

Re:Yeah right (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35488802)

It's not my fault that Buttle's heart condition didn't appear on Tuttle's file!

Brasil? Mind you the scene where the two are sitting in the moving truck, and she asks him how many events of terrorism he can site. His response is very Bush-like, and yields no answer.

Re:Yeah right (1)

kronosopher (1531873) | more than 3 years ago | (#35489188)

Mistakes? We don't make mistakes.

Re:Yeah right (3, Insightful)

rtb61 (674572) | more than 3 years ago | (#35490128)

That points to the heart of the matter. Incompetent political appointees want computers to do their job for them so that they can take the credit.

Better algorithms to sort filter and collate the data, how stupid can they be. The bigger and more complex the database the easier it is to poison it with false data. Once that false data is in, it make all sorts of false connections, and more false connections based upon those.

Intelligence services do no need better algorithms, they need to dump contractors who make a living out of creating false data, they need to get rid of political appointees and most of all they need to quality manage data entering the system.

The insanity of working from the basis that everyone is guilty and, stupidly thinking that somehow computers will sort that planet full of evidence you have created with the idiot's assumption that everyone is guilty, well, it just really points to what kind of fuck up the DHS chief is as well as the DHS itself.

Re:Yeah right (1)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 3 years ago | (#35493234)

They also need to remove the incentive system for ID and apprehension.

It will put an end to the set-up of mentally challenged patsies, as "terror cells".

Re:Yeah right (1)

Nikker (749551) | more than 3 years ago | (#35487892)

The only difference is you get to provide the data and sort it out too!

Re:Yeah right (2)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 3 years ago | (#35488080)

Well. I don't know why they spend all this money to fight an imaginary enemy, when they could save more lives by using the same funding in securing the US nation's swimming pools.

Re:Yeah right (1)

Alien Being (18488) | more than 3 years ago | (#35488138)

Because they're crooks.

Re:Yeah right (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35487978)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information
"information" is exactly what an algorithm gives him.

Re:Yeah right (2)

M. Baranczak (726671) | more than 3 years ago | (#35487354)

Who's "he"?

Re:Yeah right (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35487384)

Satan, or maybe Janet Napolitano. I'm not sure anymore.

Re:Yeah right (1)

el_tedward (1612093) | more than 3 years ago | (#35487400)

The MAN

Re:Yeah right (1)

kelemvor4 (1980226) | more than 3 years ago | (#35487716)

We have a winner!

Re:Yeah right (1)

Pseudonym Authority (1591027) | more than 3 years ago | (#35487408)

It seems that in my haste to post I made a few typographical errors. Please do not think less of me, I know that Napolitano is female.

Re:Yeah right (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35487454)

I assure you, I don't think less of you because of the typographical errors you bomb toting terrorist wannabe unibomber wikileaks piece of communist totalitarian nazi pos (lets play a game called "make-a-programmer-rip-his-hair-out-trying-to-filter-bogus-keywords-from-your-packets).

Re:Yeah right (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35487478)

You have a rather high opinion of yourself, don't you?

Hint: the DHS probably doesn't give a shit what you type into your Slashdot posts.

Re:Yeah right (1)

kronosopher (1531873) | more than 3 years ago | (#35487642)

I'd bet money that they do. This is a hub of terrorist propaganda as far as authoritarians are concerned.

GOLDSTEINISM! (1)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 3 years ago | (#35488092)

It MUST be pulled out, BY THE ROOT!

Re:Yeah right (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35487578)

Think about Janet Napolitano's cunt. Do you feel like vomiting yet?

Re:Yeah right (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35488980)

Napolitano? Sounds like a wop.

Re:Yeah right (1)

phantomcircuit (938963) | more than 3 years ago | (#35488118)

Who's "he"?

This Janet Napolitano guy

Re:Yeah right (2)

click2005 (921437) | more than 3 years ago | (#35487682)

I suspect they want algorithms that will find more links between people. Guilty by association and all that.

Hmmm. I wonder if 'six degrees of separation' works with terrorists. With better algorithms they can reduce it to five or even four.

Re:Yeah right (1)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 3 years ago | (#35488244)

The Ministry of Love. They run Facebook and Google.

Isn't that enough for them?

Re:Yeah right (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35489850)

The Bush family has about 1 degree of separation between it and OSBL... they should be thourougly investigated.

um... (0)

Charliemopps (1157495) | more than 3 years ago | (#35487314)

So you want to know how to turn terabytes of naked pictures of little old ladies and children from your full body scanners into actionable intelligence on Islamic radicals and wikileaks contributes? If you actually get some software, let me know... because whoever comes up with it has got to be the coding Messiah.

Re:um... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35487530)

I'll just take the naked pics of the kids please.
I'll even "analyze" it for "terrorism" for free. No need to thank me, just doing my patriotic duty.

--
Posted from Government Issue TSA iPad #98236729856.

Re:um... (1)

PPH (736903) | more than 3 years ago | (#35487604)

Crowd source it.

The same way we crack CAPTCHAs by showing some third world kid a fleeting glimpse of pr0n for every correct hit. We let the pervs look at the TSA nudie flicks and give them credits for every knife, gun, or baggie of weed they spot.

Re:um... (1)

Seumas (6865) | more than 3 years ago | (#35487654)

No, they want to be able to sift through more information to steal domain's from people who index torrents or point to links to links to links of stuff so they can steal their property and libel them without any actual legal intervention or conviction, too!

better agorithms (3, Insightful)

theheadlessrabbit (1022587) | more than 3 years ago | (#35487350)

Well, if the DHS Chief wants better algorithms for analyzing intelligence data, maybe he can have the department's funding cut, so more money can be put to use educating a generation of better students.

Re:better agorithms (2)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 3 years ago | (#35487440)

"Better algorithms to spot patterns and trends...was but one of the talking points DHS chief Janet Napolitano focused on in a lecture on the role of science and technology at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology today."

I suggest that students heed this warning, because they never grew up with any real protest: Potential DHS agents, future government data-miners, all you silver-spoon kids who wanna be Jack Bauer -- when the popular revolt comes to the USA(and it will, in 5-10 years), you will join the popular revolt or the snitches will be first against the wall. There will be legions of disgruntled Middle-East war vets, paranoid militiamen, and straight gangsta freedom fighters with nothing to lose roaming the streets with copious amounts of ammo, gunning for you. Shit yourselves now, while you have the chance.

Our popular revolt will begin as quickly as the Los Angeles riots did, and it will not cease until all treasonous corporate pigs and their lapdoggies(anybody who works for or plans to work for a 3-letter agency or contractor -- and the military must not intervene) are sodomized with rusty chainsaws.

Re:better agorithms (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35487618)

The LA Riots happened because some stupid niggers thought that some other stupid nigger who was attacking some equally stupid cops and got his ass popped back. There was no political motivation other than getting back at the "honky mudafuckaz who beat mah broda upz".

Re:better agorithms (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35492902)

Try learning some history.
You think this only happens with certain races or classes of people? You are sorely mistaken.
If it doesn't start with politics, then a natural disaster could trigger it. Remember that Americans are less civilized that the Japanese. You don't know what will trigger it. The middle east uprising started with a vendor setting himself on fire.

Re:better agorithms (1)

badboy_tw2002 (524611) | more than 3 years ago | (#35488982)

Man, that was a lot of typing with just one hand!

law enforcement types (4, Interesting)

Weezul (52464) | more than 3 years ago | (#35488810)

If there's one fucking thing we've learned recently, it's that law enforcement types are god awful fucking gullible when they think they're listening to their own kind. We've hard proof that the Egyptian secret police carried out two major terrorists attacks inside Egypt and blamed their own country. And western intelligence services just blindly believed their lies. We understand how the evidence for chemical weapons in Iraq was entirely & purely focally fabricated by Iraqi ex-pat living in Germany. We even had some asshat put his wife on the no fly list when she was outside the country.

We obviously cannot trust our law enforcement and intelligence services without serious judicial oversight. In particular, we cannot trust the buffoons hoping that 'better algorithm' will give them some pre-crime detector. Instead, they'll just harass more innocent people based upon imaginary plots and connections.

Re:law enforcement types (1)

Beyond_GoodandEvil (769135) | more than 3 years ago | (#35489752)

We understand how the evidence for chemical weapons in Iraq was entirely & purely focally fabricated by Iraqi ex-pat living in Germany. We even had some asshat put his wife on the no fly list when she was outside the country.
Well, there was this whole incident [wikipedia.org] to provide evidence for chemical weapons. And the wife thing is just funny, even more so if the mother-in-law also ended up on the no-fly list.

Re:law enforcement types (1)

radtea (464814) | more than 3 years ago | (#35491968)

Well, there was this whole incident [wikipedia.org] to provide evidence for chemical weapons

Remind me again how a chemical weapons attack fifteen years ago provides evidence of chemical weapons today, after a decade of ongoing dismantlement and inspection of the defunct Iraqi chemical weapons program?

"Plausibility" is not "evidence".

Going to war based on a plausble but unproven suposition is a crime against humanity.

Sounds like efficient use of taxpayer money. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35487352)

So they have heaps and heaps of data and now find that they can't really make anything out of it. But they'll keep the data because who knows, maybe someday they'll figure it out. Or maybe just for bragging rights. That's what being in a TLAgency is all about, isn't it?

Stop collecting so much data (1)

vldragon (981127) | more than 3 years ago | (#35487366)

So they cast a net so large the boat sinks from the weight of the fish... Typical DHS.

Re:Stop collecting so much data (1)

c0lo (1497653) | more than 3 years ago | (#35487712)

So they cast a net so large the boat sinks from the weight of the fish... Typical DHS.

Fish? Rather sand... so much sand they cannot find the fish in.

Here's an idea for you DHS geniuses (5, Insightful)

GodfatherofSoul (174979) | more than 3 years ago | (#35487390)

Step One: cut down on the clutter. That means stop chasing after everyone in a turban or every angry blogger named Mohamed or Assad who criticizes your government or sticking GPS monitoring devices under their cars.

There are two major reasons we've historically said NO to dragnets. They violate civil rights and they...surprise surprise!...clutter your intelligence channels with worthless drivel.

Re:Here's an idea for you DHS geniuses (3, Interesting)

jdogalt (961241) | more than 3 years ago | (#35487508)

+1, my gut reaction as well, with the addition that there is a multiplication effect as the added violation of rights increases terrorist recruitment and motivation, with a corresponding increase in the amount of drivel and non-drivel entering your intelligence channels.

It's the prisoner's dilemna as clear as day. If you don't start with trust and have a system that encourages more trust/liberty/privacy and the benefits of such, you don't end up with anywhere near the optimal outcome.
 

Alternative idea (1)

c0lo (1497653) | more than 3 years ago | (#35487552)

PI [wikipedia.org]

That's too hard for them... (1)

MikeRT (947531) | more than 3 years ago | (#35489674)

That means stop chasing after everyone in a turban or every angry blogger named Mohamed or Assad who criticizes your government or sticking GPS monitoring devices under their cars.

Mohamed and Assad the blogger are easier targets than groups like CAIR with their vast funding from foreign sources and media exposure. The Islamic community in the US is a target-rich environment for real counter-terrorism and intelligence operations because there are so many Saudi and Iranian-funded groups of dubious or outright illegality working behind the scenes.

It's not even the dude screaming "Allah Akbar" and "Death to Israel and the US" on Youtube that should scare anyone. It's the guys in the suits, working for the NGOs and "charities" that are fronts for radical Islamic groups in the Middle East. Every moderate Muslim writing on the subject I've seen points out that the commanding heights of the American Islamic community are increasingly controlled by these foreign sources.

The tragedy of this situation is that liberals are attacking Peter King who is the only member of Congress with the stones to even raise real questions about the radicalization. The left is living in denial by blaming it exclusively on its usual hobbyhorses: poverty, discrimination and US foreign policy. While those are certainly factors, the left is openly in denial about the fact that there are powerful groups in the Middle East that want to radicalize the US Muslim community and turn it into a weapon against the US (which causes suffering to Americans, Muslim and non-Muslim).

Re:That's too hard for them... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35493076)

Where King is going is dangerous http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_scare
Just remember http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_degrees_of_separation.

I want a (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35487402)

pony too!

napolitano hates democracy as much as terrorists (2)

Dan667 (564390) | more than 3 years ago | (#35487414)

policy after policy is implementing her dream of a police state. traffic revenue cameras in Arizona when she was there. Naked scanners for the tsa. Pretty sure she is abusing patriot act powers. US Citizens need to take back their government

Re:napolitano hates democracy as much as terrorist (1, Troll)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 3 years ago | (#35487492)

The PATRIOT act is an abuse of powers because it gives the government powers that are explicitly denied to them in the constitution.

And we won't see US citizens taking back the government anytime soon, since all of them have become so dependent on the government for all their entitlements.

Re:napolitano hates democracy as much as terrorist (1)

PaulBu (473180) | more than 3 years ago | (#35487628)

"since all of them have become so dependent on the government..."

The point of (almost!) no return actually requires only more than half of them, nominally! BUT I still hope that the minority of liberty-loving people (both on antiwar Left and true conservative Right) can organize themselves better (without needing any "Community Organizers" :) ), and that there is still a chance to turn things around.

But then, I have my signature, and you have yours, and neither changed the world just yet... ;-/

Paul B.

Re:napolitano hates democracy as much as terrorist (2)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | more than 3 years ago | (#35488468)

There won't be a revolution. America has televisions. It's just so much easier to grumble about the government online than it is to actually do something that matters.

Re:napolitano hates democracy as much as terrorist (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35488994)

There won't be a revolution. America has televisions.
Egypt has televisions too.

Re:napolitano hates democracy as much as terrorist (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#35487984)

Despite the fact that this was started under a Republican President with Republican majorities in both houses and that it's primarily Republicans agitating for more and more invasive measures? Sure the Democrats have managed to fuck this up pretty good, but let's be honest about when and how this started.

Re:napolitano hates democracy as much as terrorist (1)

Curunir_wolf (588405) | more than 3 years ago | (#35490682)

Some of us are quite clear on when and how this started [senate.gov] . Please dispel your own delusions.

Too much funding, not enough results (2, Insightful)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 3 years ago | (#35487422)

The DHS has far too much funding if they have too much data and can't analyze it with current algorithms. And really, why do they need all this data in the first place? Chances are the vast majority of it is unconstitutional and shouldn't be collected to begin with.

Re:Too much funding, not enough results (2)

plover (150551) | more than 3 years ago | (#35487862)

What would "enough results" be? Ten planes blown up? Five schools? Three office towers? That way next year we could try for only eight planes blown up, three schools, and one office tower. Gotta show "enough results", after all.

I'd say that whatever powers they're abusing, the results are that they've not let a lot happen.

The better question is: if they didn't have these abusive powers and massive budgets, what would their score be? Fifty blown up planes? Ten? Zero? We don't know, because those figures aren't made public. They are, however, shared with the politicians we elected, and whatever figures they are presenting are are compelling enough to get us to waste billions on proven useless and stupid ideas like backscatter scanners and virtual fences. And that's where I really get pissed off. The blown-up plane rate has been exactly zero since 9/11. Whatever they were doing for the previous nine years, they were doing without the half-billion dollars worth of backscatter machines, and it was quite obviously 100% effective.

So what I really want to know is which of my chickenshit representatives are wasting my tax dollars on these useless pieces of shit, and how to get them the hell out of office, because with those votes the only possible rational explanation is corruption. Under Bush, the only legislation that wasn't pure corruption was pure ignorance, and Obama has carried that time-honored tradition forwards in the finest spirit of fear-mongering and palm-greasing Washington has ever seen. The Paultards frighten me with their right-wing Christian equal-hatred-for-all-but-straight-white-people bullshit, and the Tea-baggers are nothing but the wholly-owned highly paid shills of Faux News Inc. And the useless Left couldn't wipe their own asses without forming a tax-gathering ass-finding commission, and then they'd filibuster themselves until they were ankle deep in shit anyway.

There isn't a single person in a Federal office that I want to be there any more. Not even the Supreme Court has my respect any more, not after granting corporations "free speech through election-buying". One-term-only term limits are sounding pretty damn good to me right now.

Never been more convenient! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35491892)

Say a few "scary" words and my government listens in on my phone conversation. Then start talking about what I think the problems are in the country and about what I think should be done to fix them. This is a lot more convenient and cheaper than paying a $1000.00 to have dinner with my congress-person when they are looking for money to be re-elected.

Hey, wait! Are they trying to filter me out? Do I have to update my algorithm?

Woo! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35487430)

Join today, and help us build a better police state! Think of the children!

Stop helping them... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35487444)

Perhaps the few people that read this and agree could grow a conscience and stop helping them out and keep them from hurting people.

Charlie Eppes (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35487470)

You mean TV lied to me again and you can't foil terrorist plots by throwing data at a big shiny computer with lots of flashy light after all?

Re:Charlie Eppes (1)

qbast (1265706) | more than 3 years ago | (#35489068)

No, it did not. After all there were no successful terrorist attacks in US for years, so that big shiny computer with lots of flashy lights must have foiled them all.

Re:Charlie Eppes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35489284)

would you like to buy this lion repelling magic stone?

it's 100% effective look, I've never been eaten by a lion

It's understandable (1)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 3 years ago | (#35487482)

What with monitoring all the nation's phone calls, that is a lot of data to sort through. Listening for keywords probably isn't enough.

And yeah, I really do think they have automated systems that (attempt to) monitor all the phone calls made within the United States, as well as the more obvious targets of those going out from the US or coming in to the US. I can see of no other reason for some of the legislation they've pushed for these past several years.

I'm glad. (1)

FlapHappy (937803) | more than 3 years ago | (#35487498)

I'm sure this will be a big help in identifying and prosecuting copyright infringements.

Re:I'm glad. (2)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 3 years ago | (#35487516)

I'm sure it will help when they are sued by the RIAA for having that data or knowing where that data can be found, after all, if the Pirate Bay can be sued for linking to files that may or may not contain copyright infringements, why can't the DHS?

Re:I'm glad. (1)

FlapHappy (937803) | more than 3 years ago | (#35487736)

Because that level of circular logic may eventually lead to a paradox that destroys the universe? Okay, maybe not, but when the DHS helps prosecute a case against the DHS I'll be really confused on who to root for.

Google (1)

binaryseraph (955557) | more than 3 years ago | (#35487534)

They should take a look at google's big querry. [google.com]

Been there, done that (4, Interesting)

PPH (736903) | more than 3 years ago | (#35487566)

We were working on some cool technology applicable to just this sort of problem back at a previous employer. Then 9/11 hit, management realized that the coming intelligence applications of this would put it on the ITAR list. Everything went into boxes and went offshore.

The next time you wonder how credit card, telecom and various other marketing concerns can find you, find your friends and figure out who is likely to buy what, you'll know who to thank. There's more money in pushing junk at you than keeping you from being blown up.

Eliminating patterns (1)

russotto (537200) | more than 3 years ago | (#35487584)

The problem isn't finding the patterns. Finding patterns is easy. Eliminating the majority of patterns which have no significant meaning, that's the hard part.

Uh, how is this.... (1)

surfdaddy (930829) | more than 3 years ago | (#35487610)

...not Big Brother slowly creeping upon us like in the novel "1984"? I guess if you institute it slowly enough, people just bend over and take it.

Re:Uh, how is this.... (2)

PaulBu (473180) | more than 3 years ago | (#35487786)

Because it's Big Sister, silly you! ;-/

And yes, do it slowly is apparently a sure way to boil a live frog without it noticing, as well as making American public accept DHS and beyond.

Paul B.

No problem (1)

bugs2squash (1132591) | more than 3 years ago | (#35487660)

post what you have on /. and we'll tell you the patterns. Your data will be perfectly secure here, no-one ever reads the articles anyway.

Re:No problem (1)

c0lo (1497653) | more than 3 years ago | (#35487866)

TFA

"We therefore cannot overstate the need for software engineers and information systems designers."

So one has to wonder: isn't this what H1B visas are for?
Alternatively, outsource it!! It's likely that she'll get plenty of algos equally worthless at a lower cost for the tax-payer.
</tongue-in-cheek>

Re:No problem (1)

Curunir_wolf (588405) | more than 3 years ago | (#35490904)

That's funny - I thought there was a hiring freeze. Or does that just apply to border guards?

Slashdot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35487702)

In japan a nuclear disaster is going on, and the jewish slashdot.org is keeping nerds busy with more and more nonsense.

Re:Slashdot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35490080)

In japan a nuclear disaster is going on, and the jewish slashdot.org is keeping nerds busy with more and more nonsense.

So what? It's not like it's the first time a nuclear disaster has happened in Japan!

Better processing = Incentive for more collection (1)

WhiteLudaFan (634444) | more than 3 years ago | (#35487764)

One side consequence of better processing will be that it will be more advantageous to collect even more data.

Uhmmmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35487782)

Didn't lots of people say data mining for terrorism/"security" was ineffective?

Re:Uhmmmm (1)

c0lo (1497653) | more than 3 years ago | (#35487884)

Didn't lots of people say data mining for terrorism/"security" was ineffective?

Define effectiveness. If defined in terms of "Better salary, job security and employment for DHS" - this is highly effective.

algorerythem; the end of fake 'weather'? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35487858)

looks like the native chiefs were much better with that stuff (weather,
spotting the bad guys, star gazing & hand waving, real stuff (until we
showed up?), than we are?

monitoring endless moronic/off-topic chatter to find something of value?
sounds like our legislative loop? eavesdropping must feel like being
chained to someone else's fear?

just whois plotting our next shitslide into hell? if we knew who it
was/is? looks like folks would prefer dying to being tortured nowadays. is
that new?

suck this in on the wire: we're more than finished with murder & mayhem
inc... you might think about snooping in on those eugenatic vaccine
terrorists, who have damaged/killed numerous bips. & those .5 billionerror
bad 'math' baal worshippers? yikes. we know everything's a big fauxking
secret, so we won't expect to hear anything until the (federal/world
court) trials begin. & all those weapons peddlers in lear jets/yachts?
smells like danger there too? lot of bips being mowed down in the desert.
sheesh. thanks.

Searching In the Wrong Place (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35487902)

DHS acts like the proverbial drunk searching for his dropped keys under a lamppost despite having dropped them in a darkened alleyway. Rather than scanning every word passed over electronic media they should have agents in the field doing investigations and talking to people who may have information. There is no substitute for human intelligence ("intelligence" as in "intelligence collection", although it appears that DHS has neither form of the term in excess).

So I suggest that DHS get off their collective fat asses, sitting in front of terminals, drinking Starbuck's lattes, and looking up their neighbor's wife's bra size and instead learn some useful foreign languages, circulate among foreigners and domestic groups of interest, and get to the source of the problem.

sounds like a job for watson (1)

russ1337 (938915) | more than 3 years ago | (#35487986)

sounds like a job for Watson - or at least a slightly modified version.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watson_(artificial_intelligence_software) [wikipedia.org]

I guess they could re-use that hand which is currently used to press the buzzer to, say, feel your balls when you opt out of the x-ray.

Re:sounds like a job for watson (1)

Xoblau (2017050) | more than 3 years ago | (#35488632)

Or nnatch: http://nnatch.com/ [nnatch.com]

Less QQ, More pew-pew. (2)

faedle (114018) | more than 3 years ago | (#35488068)

In all seriousness. DHS would do us all a whole better if they concentrated on conventional "police work" investigations, and less on fancy shit like warrantless wiretaps and X-ray backscatter arrays that don't work.

Our security apparatus had all the details they needed to make the connection before, and failed to see it not because they lacked some fancy algorithm, but people "in charge" didn't listen to the street operatives, and political infighting between organizations: which (hey, guess what Interplanet Janet!) DHS' very existance was supposed to solve.

So what she's saying is, "we suck, give us more money." Sorry, fix what you have first, Janet.

Re:Less QQ, More pew-pew. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35488116)

Our security apparatus had all the details they needed to make the connection before, and failed to see it not because they lacked some fancy algorithm, but people "in charge" didn't listen to the street operatives, and political infighting between organizations: which (hey, guess what Interplanet Janet!) DHS' very existance was supposed to solve.

So what she's saying is, "we suck, give us more money." Sorry, fix what you have first, Janet.

What the intelligence community needs is "more intelligence" - in the sense of better use of human brain power and a return to the traditional means of gathering data (spies on the ground). It's also another example of what can go wrong when people look for a technological solution to a societal problem.

Here's your algorithm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35488212)

Here's your algorithm, I even implemented it in code for you
/* We return a float (hey, not like we need precision) between 0.0 and 1.0 representing threat because we like to keep things one dimensional so we don't have to think too hard. */
float evaluateIntelDataSet(t_ids *inteldataset, int count) {
for(int i=0; i<count; i++) {
inteldataset[i]->doAbsolutelyNothingButWasteTime();
}
return 0.1; // We assume threat is always there anyway, look harder
}

Looks like I get to plug it again (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35488220)

freedomboxfoundation.org

Oh, not this crap again (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35488228)

More than just a few years ago, all the spook houses in the US (and a lot of other places) yelped long and loud about Total Information Awareness (tm). Oh my we were told, every last bit, byte and sniff are available for scrutiny by all and sundry. Big Brother is watching YOU! Britain has 10 million cameras looking at everything in all public squares, Carnivore, Omnivore, and Echelon are all watching you. Every satellite signal, every cell phone signal, every email and Slashdot rant by the crazed nerd-o-philes gets the once over by the guys behind the grey one-way glass. Teeny problem. TIA means you have to analyse all that crap. Gobs of it. Yottabytes of it. So its all there. Every needle about every terrorist group, UFO invasion, and cancer cure is all there. In that great big ginormous haystack. If only we could find the needle, or set of needles that actually means something. We have outsourced any jobs that involve high technology. In the United States right now, 10,000 people who could help wade through the data are pumping gas or doing some other work because there is no job available for them. Old Janets problem won't go away. Its an American problem. Go ask a dumb suit like Aaron Barr formerly of HBGaryFederal to do some statistics for you! Oh yeah, he clearly failed stats. But look at that winning smile, firm handshake, power tie! Clearly he can make up a bunch of terrorists for the US to chase after, you know, just like the Iraq invasion!

Better algorithms (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35488286)

Likely Janet "Planet" Neopolitano in her cliff notes wrote, "Al Gor Rythem."

But yes, better algorithms are needed and big data is a problem.

In that case, dissastablish DHS, in particular, and give walking papers to Janet's lap dog Pistole, and use a 10th of the money to fund math departments at US Universities and Colleges.

A no brainer even for Janat Planet, who does not have a brain. Pity Pity Pity. Oh ... DHS got screwed to the tune of several tens of million dollars by a Drunk from Las Vagas on "Algorithms."

-308

Uhh,..jus giv em sum LSD. That'll do. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35488854)

Clearly they are suffering from a diseased paradigm, which could be easily mitigated by a proper does of mind expanding ergot. No algorithms necessary; just the right perspective.

Less surveillance, please (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35488936)

Just don't gather so much data. That makes for a friendlier community.

Naturally! (2)

cocoajunkie (2003028) | more than 3 years ago | (#35489240)

Artificial Intelligence is no match for natural stupidity

Sounds like a great job (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35490492)

I think she should do the job herself.

Sitting in offices. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35490676)

Perhaps it would be better to focus on intelligence gathering that requires them to leave their comfortable offices.
Sitting and essentially browsing the data of the internet is a nice way to spend the day, but I know as well as anyone that you don't get a lot of work done.

Google Can Help! (1)

Ancantus (1926920) | more than 3 years ago | (#35491336)

Post it on the internet, I am sure Google will be more than happy to index all your information for you.

Were doomed (1)

TideX (1908876) | more than 3 years ago | (#35492858)

Department of Homeland Security actually getting something done? Oh dear god no.

Just so you know (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35493258)

When she says "counter terrorist information" she means "your private communication"

Dumb Politician (1)

omb (759389) | more than 3 years ago | (#35493334)

Napolitano is just one more of the long like of elected idiots who understand neither technology or their
job, which is (military) Intelegence and are trying to use computers in exactly the wrong way. Empirical
Computer modeling and 'tell-me-what-is-going-on' are beyond modern technology.

Hunches and good intuition is presently reserved to the people, and all this anti-profiling, security theatre
and techno babble just gets in the way of having a small team of expert investigators in FBI and CIA and
also the national intellegence agencies of UK and Europe eg DSGE, BND. these staff need to work directly
to their director and have direct and immediate access to the Sec HS and Justice.

The need all to be arabic speaking and knowledgeable in the Quran and Hadit, they need to have had
field experience.

A course with ShinBet wouldn't hurt.
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