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My fox is on fire (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35490574)

So, why do I care about IE?

Re:My fox is on fire (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35490666)

You might want to see a doctor about that.

Re:My fox is on fire (4, Informative)

FyRE666 (263011) | more than 3 years ago | (#35490710)

Well in my own (albeit not very scientific) testing with canvas/js performance. It's running at around 10x the speed of Firefox. Much faster for sites with a lot of Canvas animation (as their own demos display - Firefox stutters along badly, while IE9 is so fast some of the tests are a blur.) I'm primarily a Firefox user, but it's hard to ignore this huge performance difference.

Re:My fox is on fire (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35490778)

Which version of FireFox do you mean?

Re:My fox is on fire (2, Funny)

Jorl17 (1716772) | more than 3 years ago | (#35490992)

And it runs natively in decent Unixy systems! Oh wait...

Ten times as fast as which Firefox version? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#35491056)

It's running at around 10x the speed of Firefox.

Is IE ten times as fast as Firefox 3.6 or Firefox 4 RC1?

Re:Ten times as fast as which Firefox version? (4, Interesting)

FyRE666 (263011) | more than 3 years ago | (#35491160)

Initially I was referring to the latest live release of Firefox (3.6). On my system my test (linked from story) runs at ~34fps. Firefox 4.0 Beta hits ~97fps and IE9 ~311fps. That's quite a performance gap. The test is mostly rendering polygons in a quick little JS 3D engine, with some canvas->canvas blitting & rotation mixed in. Note that both Firefox 3.6 and Firefox 4.0 appear to be CPU bound, where IE is bound by the resolution of the interval timer (I assume), as it's only using 2-3% CPU.

Re:My fox is on fire (2)

lordandmaker (960504) | more than 3 years ago | (#35490734)

Because you're just generally interested in the browser on the majority of desktops round the world perhaps getting closer to being standards adherent?

Do you just completely ignore stories on any piece of software that you don't use?

Re:My fox is on fire (1)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 3 years ago | (#35491220)

Because lately is is your lowest common denominator that you need to check for compatibility with. If it is as good as Microsoft says then that means the bar is raised, You can dump IE 6 and Put IE 7 and 8 on a functional approval set and IE 9 for full functional. Having worked on the Beta 9 I can tell you is is now much better in terms of following the standard. I wouldn't use it as my default browser but at least when I write code for it I am spending less time trying to make the quintet of IE, FireFox, Opera, Safari and Chrome to work the same way. I know a lot of people hate Microsoft for either good reasons or just some psuto-religious/political beliefs and giggle and joy every time they screw up, thinking that some how this will cause the catastrophic end of Microsoft. However real life if Microsoft make a better more secure product the better everyone is. IE 9 is a step in a good direction, Sure it is closed source but at least it is following the Open Standards much better then any previous version.

Love the attempt, but... (2)

SoonerSkeene (1257702) | more than 3 years ago | (#35490602)

I'm impressed with the work, but it's still a little glitchy, slower to load and just not as blazing fast as Chrome.

Re:Love the attempt, but... (0)

balls of steel (2016538) | more than 3 years ago | (#35490718)

Opera is faster than Chrome IMO. Opera's UI is amazingly responsive and fast, and Chrome has stupid bugs where you can't click or scroll the webpage while it's still loading. Opera also has tons of features built-in.

Re:Love the attempt, but... (1)

SoonerSkeene (1257702) | more than 3 years ago | (#35490942)

I haven't seen that (or, more likely, haven't noticed). I like chrome for a few other reasons (extensions that don't bog down the app, syncing my bookmarks). I'm sure I can get these features with any other browser, but I suppose I'm just not as apt to tinker around as I used to be.

Re:Love the attempt, but... (1)

mlts (1038732) | more than 3 years ago | (#35491082)

The best feature about Chrome is that extensions run sandboxed, so there is a significantly smaller chance of malicious software being able to gain a user, or even worse, root context through the browser.

This is arguably the biggest vector for infection these days, so anything that closes this hole is good.

Of course, the best solution is Adblock, so the ad sites that ignore or even condone blackhat codes have their dirty work completely ignored.

Re:Love the attempt, but... (1)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 3 years ago | (#35490744)

I'm impressed with the work, but it's still a little glitchy, slower to load and just not as blazing fast as Chrome.

And yet those of us who do web development and/or have clients who do will need to support it with CSS & javascript patches just like every other major browser on the market.

Re:Love the attempt, but... (2)

figleaf (672550) | more than 3 years ago | (#35490916)

I am not sure what is your glitch or why it is not fast for you.
I can say that Microsoft has really beaten the pants off Chrome with the release of IE9 as far as speed is concerned.

Its much faster for me than Chrome and now it has Ad blocking / tracking blocking, per site flash blocking, plays well with high DPI monitors among many other nice features.
I only wish they had made the 64-bit version faster too (but I can wait for the next release).

Re:Love the attempt, but... (0)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 3 years ago | (#35491026)

I use Internet Explorer with Netscape Dialup and their image compression/web accelerator software. It's a competent browser but lacks features I've fallen in love with, like Youtube-to-MP3 Converter, Noscript, Flash Video downloader, and online storage of bookmarks.

So I don't use IE 8 or 9 when I'm at home on the high speed line. I use Firefox or Opera.

Latest News: 9% of Slashdot traffic comes from... (0)

bengoerz (581218) | more than 3 years ago | (#35490608)

...Microsoft Corporation. Those guys must be Linux advocates, too.

Re:Latest News: 9% of Slashdot traffic comes from. (1)

dunezone (899268) | more than 3 years ago | (#35491142)

Or they browse at work where IE is a standardized across all systems.

what's an IE? (1)

pep939 (1957678) | more than 3 years ago | (#35490610)

if you are one of the 9% of Slashdot readers who actually uses IE.

I think that says it all...

Re:what's an IE? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35490692)

if you are one of the 9% of Slashdot readers who actually uses IE.

I think that says it all...

It is an Internet Exploder!

Re:what's an IE? (2)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 3 years ago | (#35490770)

if you are one of the 9% of Slashdot readers who actually uses IE.

I think that says it all...

Even though that sounds like a small percentage (and it kind of is) web developers cannot afford to ignore 9% (1 of 11) visitors to their sites.

Re:what's an IE? (1)

trollertron3000 (1940942) | more than 3 years ago | (#35490838)

Most of us don't. We just browse the web with other choices. I browse with Chrome but I need IE9 open most of the time to debug the web apps I build. It's not a bad platform to debug with but the best tool set IMHO still resides in Firefox (Firebug). Chrome is coming up but it has, uhm, issues in the debugging tools department.

 

Re:what's an IE? (1)

thedonger (1317951) | more than 3 years ago | (#35491266)

Even the IE8 debugger (F12 - "developer tools") is really nice. I have only used FF DOM inspector sparingly since discovering it. My only real complaint with Firebug is that it can't handle a poorly designed, JavaScript-heavy site. A company I worked for (not in "web guy" capacity) was web-retarded, and their JavaScript laden, .Net platform site stopped Firebug in its tracks when debugging script.

Back on topic, we shouldn't hate IE9 simply because it comes from Microsoft. That isn't the worst reason to hate it, but if it works, well, tens of millions of people will be using it regardless. It may even be a good thing as the browser becomes ubiquitous and "disappears" into the operating system. If browser choice becomes less apparent to the guy-on-the-web, and the browser ceases to be a program one must open (rather, it is "always on"), we will all appreciate the lengths to which M$ has gone to embrace web standards. Unless the government steps in (again?) to force browser choice on the wary and unknowing public - and it makes one wonder if forced choice is good - we could see the tide of market share swing back toward IE.

Re:what's an IE? (1)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 3 years ago | (#35490986)

Even though that sounds like a small percentage (and it kind of is) web developers cannot afford to ignore 9% (1 of 11) visitors to their sites.

Why not? Firefox was basically ignored by most developers until it hit over 20%.

Re:what's an IE? (1)

MikeDirnt69 (1105185) | more than 3 years ago | (#35491016)

The problem is not to ignore IE. The REAL nightmare is when your client want old IE6/7 to load all that state-of-art tabeless layout made by designers which are no longer in the company. Damn you legacy users!

Saying IE 6/7 in same breath considered harmful (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#35491140)

The REAL nightmare is when your client want old IE6/7 to load all that state-of-art tabeless layout

In my experience, IE 7 displays basic CSS-based layout with a few minor flaws. For IE 6, on the other hand, you'll usually want to redirect the user to install the Google Chrome Frame plug-in, which uses WebKit instead of IE's built-in engine for sites that opt in to Chrome Frame using an HTTP header or meta element.

Re:what's an IE? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35491088)

This kinda isnt the site to make judgements on market share xD, wonder what the OSNews breakdown is, or gnu.org

91% (-1)

psergiu (67614) | more than 3 years ago | (#35490622)

I am part of the majority. Me and 91% of the Slashdoters think that this story is irrelevant and IE is a piece of ...
Anyone else with me ? :-)

Piece of ellipses (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35490694)

I agree, who uses that piece of ellipses anyway?

Re:Piece of ellipses (1)

tigre (178245) | more than 3 years ago | (#35490756)

That wasn't an ellipsis. It was ASCII art.

Re:Piece of ellipses (1)

psergiu (67614) | more than 3 years ago | (#35490812)

Exactly. Think of them as very small bird droppings. :-)

Re:91% (3, Insightful)

zach_the_lizard (1317619) | more than 3 years ago | (#35490696)

No, we all hate IE, it's just 9% of us are at work, libraries, etc. where they force us to use IE.

Re:91% (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35490742)

I'm currently using Netscape 4 posing as IE, you insensitive clod :-)

Re:91% (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#35491170)

Then ask IT in work, libraries, etc. to install Google Chrome Frame. It's a plug-in for IE that makes sites that opt-in look better.

Re:91% (5, Interesting)

Kyokugenryu (817869) | more than 3 years ago | (#35490736)

I wouldn't say it's irrelevant in the least. IE is still the leading browser, and it's kind of a big deal when the industry leader has a major release, especially one that addresses many of the issues the 91% of Slashdotters using it has. I'm not a big IE fan either, but I tried the 9 beta and it's a hell of a lot better than I remember IE being. Hell, I honestly think IE9 is a much better browser than Firefox is nowadays, and it's my #2 browser to go to when crap doesn't work in Chrome.

Re:91% (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35490868)

It's still insecure. Just because it's faster now and more compliant, doesn't make it something you can trust.

Re:91% (1)

Giometrix (932993) | more than 3 years ago | (#35491120)

What are you basing this on?

Re:91% (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35491282)

Nothing really, I just wanted to see how content-free a Microsoft bash could be and still get modded up.

Re:91% (1)

Ephemeriis (315124) | more than 3 years ago | (#35490738)

I am part of the majority. Me and 91% of the Slashdoters think that this story is irrelevant and IE is a piece of ...
Anyone else with me ? :-)

While I personally reach for pretty much anything but IE when I'm doing my browsing... It isn't irrelevant. IE is installed on the vast majority of computers out there.

I'm going to have to download and evaluate IE9 to see which bits of software it works with, and which bits it breaks. And then I'm going to have to build a deployment package and roll it out to the folks that need it. Because some essential website somewhere is going to start requiring it before too long.

Re:91% (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35490748)

It is irrelevant for me and most of my institute who happily use Windows XP.

Re:91% (1)

jac89 (979421) | more than 3 years ago | (#35490874)

Ie9 is a massive improvement but I'm still a chrome user.

9% is nothing to sneeze at (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35490912)

I am part of the majority. Me and 91% of the Slashdoters think that this story is irrelevant and IE is a piece of ...
Anyone else with me ? :-)

I'm not part of that 9%, but I think that the threshold for irrelevance is much lower than that.

Like, what's Linux's web-browser usage share these days? 3%? It's somewhere around there.

Re:91% (5, Insightful)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 3 years ago | (#35490972)

I am part of the majority. Me and 91% of the Slashdoters think that this story is irrelevant and IE is a piece of ...
Anyone else with me ? :-)

...

here we go again...

IE isn't irrelevant at all.

It's a major part of why the web works and looks like it does today, and IE affects how web sites work for you with Chrome, Firefox, Safari, or Opera. You don't even have to use IE - these news still matter to you! Both as a developer, or an end-user.

The web is usually designed after the weakest link (usually IE, standards-wise), so of course this story is irrelevant.
The browser forming the weakest link is still the weakest, but today got a whole lot stronger than with IE 8.

We can finally start developing for some aspects of HTML5 without having to restort to relying on updates in some sort of cross-browser third party "compatibility library" where it's easier to just not use those features at all. So the features aren't used at all. So even if you aren't a developer, it still matters, since web sites will start working better.

Authors will now at least start being able to take the step to exploit the potential of Chrome 10 or Firefox 4 better while not having to worry about ~50% not able to be supported well.

IE 9 still has flaws, and is still not there with the competition, but it's miles ahead of IE 8.

Windows XP is the weakest link. (3, Insightful)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#35491218)

The browser forming the weakest link is still the weakest, but today got a whole lot stronger than with IE 8.

At this point, the weakest link is the wide remaining deployment of the nearly decade-old Windows XP operating system. IE 7 required Windows XP, which kept businesses that stuck with Windows 2000 on IE 6. Likewise, IE 9 requires Windows Vista, which will keep a lot of businesses on IE <= 8 for a while.

Re:91% (1)

Eskarel (565631) | more than 3 years ago | (#35491190)

I hate IE and don't use it unless I have no choice.

I am on the other hand a web developer and the fact that Microsoft is finally supporting standards is a fairly big deal. It may not be better or faster or more extensible than the competition, but the fact that the browser which will come pre-installed on most people's machines is not a gigantic pile of suck is something I'm actually quite happy about.

Most people simply aren't going to shop around for web browsers, and personally I'll be a happy man when I no longer have to go through and make significant changes to standards compliant code to make it work properly in IE.

Re:91% (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 3 years ago | (#35491200)

Unless you write websites.
Talk about being closed minded. Kind of like the people that will not use free anti-virus because it can not be good if it is free.
Have you tried IE9? If you are on Windows Vista or seven you probably should try it. If you work on websites you should use it for testing just like you use Firefox, Chrome, Safari, and Opera... You do test with all the available browsers don't you?

I still use mainly chrome and Firefox but I sure as shooting have tried out IE9. It wasn't bad at all just not better than Chrome for my day to day use.
That and it doesn't work on XP which I still use as along with Linux, W7, and OS/X

Re:91% (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35491272)

I agree, I love Microsoft products, except IE - IE is the biggest piece of crap ever conceived and I hate that I have to use [multiple versions of] it just to make a "portable" website. Windows [except ME and Vista], Office (even the new one), SQL, etc - all exceptional, but IE not only sucks donkey dick, it creates new and inventive ways to do so.

Re:91% (2)

tverbeek (457094) | more than 3 years ago | (#35491334)

If "used by less than 10% of Slashdotters" made something irrelevant, we'd never have stories about "BSD", "Facebook", or "other people's genitalia".

Internet Exploder (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35490624)

It's still Internet Exploder

No WebGL. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35490628)

Enough said.

whut? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35490662)

9% of Slashdot readers who actually uses IE

This is definitive proof that personal Ballmer's army is around.

I can't get it to work... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35490670)

I tried everything I know!

# apt-get install ie9
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
E: Unable to locate package ie9
#

Re:I can't get it to work... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35491018)

Sheesh, download the tarball, decompress it, and run the build process manually. N00b.

Now, get off my lawn.

IE9 good, but still a lot of room to improve. (1)

SJHillman (1966756) | more than 3 years ago | (#35490674)

I've been using the IE9 RC for a couple weeks now. I like it better than previous IE versions, but not nearly enough to replace Opera as my #1 browser (IE is #2, Chrome is #3, Firefox is tied with Lynx as a distant 4). Best thing about it is moving the tab bar to the same line as the address bar... I prefer a minimalist UI for maximum screen usage by the web page... at least until I can afford a monitor larger than 1024x768

Re:IE9 good, but still a lot of room to improve. (3, Funny)

jsnipy (913480) | more than 3 years ago | (#35490722)

... at least until I can afford a monitor larger than 1024x768

i spit up my coffee when i read this

Re:IE9 good, but still a lot of room to improve. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35490846)

Don't make fun of our visitors from the past. As ambassadors of the year 2011, it's out duty to be gracious hosts.

Re:IE9 good, but still a lot of room to improve. (1)

Amouth (879122) | more than 3 years ago | (#35491158)

i have several people at work who only run 1024x768... but then again it is either that or get e-mails from them in font 16 or some crap like that.

Increase the system DPI setting (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#35491242)

i have several people at work who only run 1024x768... but then again it is either that or get e-mails from them in font 16 or some crap like that.

If you deal with visually impaired people at work, the right solution is to increase the system DPI, which will increase font sizes uniformly across all applications. Or are you talking about custom applications known to fail in high DPI?

Re:IE9 good, but still a lot of room to improve. (1)

royallthefourth (1564389) | more than 3 years ago | (#35491274)

Nah, they could change their DPI setting to get bigger text without having a tiny resolution.

Re:IE9 good, but still a lot of room to improve. (4, Funny)

sootman (158191) | more than 3 years ago | (#35491086)

When your phone catches up to your desktop, it's definitely time to upgrade.

IE9? Pass. (1)

metalgamer84 (1916754) | more than 3 years ago | (#35490724)

As with any Microsoft product, I will wait at least one year for all the bugs/features/etc to be worked out of the "final" product before I use it in a production sense.

Re:IE9? Pass. (3, Informative)

Ogive17 (691899) | more than 3 years ago | (#35490870)

As with any Apple product, I'll wait 1 year for the 2nd version to come that that finally includes the options version 1 should have had considering the price of the device.

Re:IE9? Pass. (5, Funny)

Spad (470073) | more than 3 years ago | (#35491250)

As with any Linux product, by the time I've finally worked out what all the config options do, a new version will be out that deprecates all of them in favour of newer, shinier options.

As a long time IE basher (4, Informative)

GrBear (63712) | more than 3 years ago | (#35490740)

I must say, this is an impressive version. I've been using it since beta, and regardless what 'benchmarks' may or may not say, it's perceptually the fastest browser I've used.

Now if there was just a decent ad blocker available, rather than the TPL's that only block 3rd party scripts and images.

Until then I'll stick with Firefox for a cleaner view of the sites I visit.

I use IE for the paycheck (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35490754)

Work forces me

Re:I use IE for the paycheck (1)

Infiniti2000 (1720222) | more than 3 years ago | (#35490808)

Exactly. I have certain on-line tasks that require IE. I have no choice in the matter. For all other browsing requirements (work or personal) I use Firefox.

"Media has opinions" (5, Funny)

Hazel Bergeron (2015538) | more than 3 years ago | (#35490758)

If we're going to write inane headlines, let's at least try to be funny...

1. Include Your Children When Baking Cookies

2. Something Went Wrong in Jet Crash, Experts Say

3. Police Begin Campaign to Run Down Jaywalkers

4. Drunks Get Nine Months in Violin Case

5. Iraqi Head Seeks Arms

6. Prostitutes Appeal to Pope

7. Panda Mating Fails; Veterinarian Takes Over

8. British Left Waffles on Falkland Islands

9. Teacher Strikes Idle Kids

10. Clinton Wins Budget; More Lies Ahead

11. Plane Too Close to Ground, Crash Probe Told

12. Miners Refuse to Work After Death

13. Juvenile Court to Try Shooting Defendant

14. Stolen Painting Found by Tree

15. Two Sisters Reunited after 18 Years in Checkout Counter

16. War Dims Hope for Peace

17. If Strike Isn't Settled Quickly, It May Last a While

18. Couple Slain; Police Suspect Homicide

19. Man Struck by Lightning Faces Battery Charge

20. New Study of Obesity Looks for Larger Test Group

21. Astronaut Takes Blame for Gas in Space

22. Kids Make Nutritious Snacks

23. Local High School Dropouts Cut in Half

24. Typhoon Rips through Cemetery; Hundreds Dead

Re:"Media has opinions" (1)

sideslash (1865434) | more than 3 years ago | (#35491038)

Thanks, that did more to set a positive mood for my morning than the entire last year of Idle.

IE9 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35490788)

http://www.beautyofftheweb.com/
Some creative person registered this one letter off domain to link to FF4

Nothing will change (2)

tiggertaebo (1480739) | more than 3 years ago | (#35490800)

People who hate IE currently will still hate it (for some its almost a religion - IE could give them free money and they would still hate it), those who like it will probably still like it (having used some of the Betas I can't see anything that would piss off an existing user). There will still be lots of frothy-mouthed ranting on the internet and those of us who really don't give a shit about who uses what browser will still just pick the one we like and get on with our lives.

9% (2)

asdf7890 (1518587) | more than 3 years ago | (#35490842)

While IE use has fallen drastically in the last year or two, that 9% figure is going to include quite a bit of audience bias. Unfortunately for those of us who have to support IE professionally the amount of people using it in some audiences is much higher, and an irritating percentage of those populations will be using ancient versions for some time to come. One of our banking clients (one of the largest in the UK) is planning to roll out IE8 "some time this year". The rest of out clients (including others in the "largest in the UK" category are still IE6 only on company desktop and laptop builds.

IE9 would be good news (afterall, it is far more compliant then any version of IE that has gone before) if people using older IE versions switched to it. Unfortunately this is not going to happen as many people who are still using IE for day-to-day browsing either don't care enough to upgrade (hence aren't already using FF/Chrome/Opera/other, though if IE is pushed as an "important" update MS will catch most if the Vista/7 users automagically) and/or simply can't because IE9 will not run on XP.

Re: Won't run on XP (3, Insightful)

TaoPhoenix (980487) | more than 3 years ago | (#35491090)

I feel this is a bigger issue than might seem at first glance.

We have a powerful plateau situation in desktop tech. Cite "The Economy", social changes and more; the first two generations of former active experimenters are starting to become satiated now that modestly significant progress has been made. If you merge all the disparate threads of "we can't figure out the next quantum leap in OS", the Age of Good Enough, and the hidden walled up cost of moving Enterprise off of XP, for Microsoft to start to pit a browser as a hardware-based deliberate fragmentation will cause a pressure-cooker situation of a type that will simmer slowly until some further factor sets it off.

Let's coin a word: "Rhetorical Luddite". I thought ahead and built a custom quad core XP machine in 2006 that is still middle of the line now. Now it's MS's job to "prove" why XP absolutely must go to make way for the upgrade they'd like me to make. To do that, I currently guess it would take another Killer App of some kind. These little deliberate fragmentations instead are irritating.

My approximate current plan is that Windows 8 in 2013 will be the switch point, if at the same time both a hardware and application super-breakthrough shows up.

Revelance (1)

return 42 (459012) | more than 3 years ago | (#35490880)

Considering how many people out there still haven't upgraded from IE6, I have to wonder how important this really is.

One cool feature for me so far (2)

crohan (1028032) | more than 3 years ago | (#35490886)

is the 'pin tab on taskbar' feature (if you have Win7). My company blocks access to GMail, so I have to use the web interface -- now I can have GMail in its own 'application' on the taskbar next to Outlook :)

And yes, I am aware of the Firefox 4 'application tabs' feature -- I've been using my GMail that way ever since I started using the FF4 beta.

Now time will tell which solution fits my needs best.

Re:One cool feature for me so far (1)

SmilingBoy (686281) | more than 3 years ago | (#35491308)

Chrome has that as well: Wrench -> Tools -> Create Application Shortcuts (in fact you can choose desktop, taskbar and/or start menu)

....fast (3, Informative)

Konster (252488) | more than 3 years ago | (#35490956)

I just tried that canvas bench in the link.

31 FPS in FF 3.6.15 and 302 FPS in IE9.

Beyond that bit of trivia, browsing with this thing is a lot faster and smoother than Chrome or FF.

Of course, it was a no reboot install and I'm concerned that my PC won't boot correctly the next time around or my drive will be filled with malware the next time I click on IE.

Re:....fast (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35491178)

How is it fair comparing a browser released *today* with a browser released quite some time ago? By all means compare Firefox 4 with IE9, however.
I have read about Firefox limiting framerate on such, however, though not sure how accurate that is.

Re:....fast (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35491270)

>> 31 FPS in FF 3.6.15 and 302 FPS in IE9

Hey! That's the combination to my luggage!

Re:....fast (1)

Kozz (7764) | more than 3 years ago | (#35491330)

Of course, it was a no reboot install and I'm concerned that my PC won't boot correctly the next time around or my drive will be filled with malware the next time I click on IE.

That's precisely why I'm going to wait for the first several weeks worth of patches for IE9 prior to installing. I'm a developer, too, but... IE's most useful function has always been to download Firefox -- if you first remember to turn off the "security" settings that prevent file downloads.

9% (1)

Hypoon (1095383) | more than 3 years ago | (#35490980)

My first thought upon reading the summary was, "Nine percent? I'm glad that at least the majority of slashdot users have switched." And then I thought, "Oh wait, look what I'm running..."

I bounce from machine to machine at work, never staying long enough on one machine to bother customizing it. Rather than install Firefox or Chrome on each computer I use, I just use whatever's already there. IE 8 is on every machine, so I find myself using it more often than I realized.

It never occurred to me that a lot of the 9% is probably people who aren't using it by preference, but simply because they're lazy (myself included).

Somewhat welcome (1)

DrXym (126579) | more than 3 years ago | (#35491010)

A more standards compliant IE is always to be welcomed. What should not be welcomed is that "more" standards compliant != standards compliant. Things like web workers & WebGL are not implemented in IE9 which is quite disturbing. Web workers have massive potential for interactive sites, and WebGL is critical for games and some kinds of visual sites. What I hope is that nobody bothers to compromise for the sake of IE's inadequacies or egregious omissions in the way they may have done in the past. Design the site to a standard and if a browser doesn't meet the standard send the user off to the "reduced experience" version or to a page to download a decent browser. The days where sites had to bend over to IE's inadequacies should be over.

Re:Somewhat welcome (1)

mikejuk (1801200) | more than 3 years ago | (#35491164)

Not supporting WebGL is a real problem ... The same think happen back when SVG was introduced and IE not supporting it held back the use of 2D graphics in web pages for 10 years. Now MS is with SVG in IE9 i.e. 2D graphics but it is repeating history with WebGL and setting back 3D web page graphics in exactly the way it did with 2D! See the link in the post threat to web development [i-programmer.info]

IE9 Released, Media Has Opinions (1)

vlm (69642) | more than 3 years ago | (#35491014)

IE9 Released, Media Has Opinions

No one else uses it.

Predictions for 2011 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35491022)

IE9 will eat into IE8 and IE7. But IE6 users will still be stuck until their hardware dies. Google Chrome Frame will become increasingly popular at companies that have software reliant on IE6, and employees too stupid to click on a different browser icon. People will complain about IE9 not supporting even 70% of HTML5 features and will have to be reminded HTML5 standard won't be finalized for years. The "why can't I install IE9 on my XP" crowd will dump IE8 for a more modern alternative like Chrome, Chromium, FireFox, Opera, or Safari while waiting for "Windows 8" to be released in 2012. Sadly, it won't be year of Linux desktop again but HP will start rolling out WebOS-based touchpads, phones, and yes, dual-boot desktops (so maybe 2012 will be year of Linux desktop if you include WebOS.)

In about five years.... (1)

FlapHappy (937803) | more than 3 years ago | (#35491048)

I might actually develop a website that takes advantage of what the IE9 has to offer, until then I'll be stuck developing for the lowest common denominator between IE/Firefox/Webkit/Opera.

Still using XP? You're outta luck, buddy. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35491060)

Yeah, I can test the newest versions of every other major browser for Windows. Chrome, Firefox, Opera all run perfectly, not to mention tons of other non-internet related software that I use. Ironically, the browser that comes from Microsoft itself tells me that my Microsoft operating system just ain't good enough for it. What a joke.

Whatever (1)

sideslash (1865434) | more than 3 years ago | (#35491084)

I always have at least two computers in front of me on my desk; I use FireFox and Google on my primary browsing/reading laptop, and IE and Bing on the workhorse desktop. So I like variety. I'm keeping a tight grip on my geek card, thank you very much.

Anyone know how to turn off cleartype? (1)

Bill Wong (583178) | more than 3 years ago | (#35491102)

Anyone know how to turn off cleartype? There doesn't seem to be an option for it in options, so, registry change?

Re:Anyone know how to turn off cleartype? (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 3 years ago | (#35491162)

It might conceivably be possible to disable it in the registry, but there is no setting. It's on whether you disable cleartype for the OS or not.

Good work, but one fatal flaw... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35491136)

IE9 is what IE6 should have been, which is related to my major complaint about it: namely, that it doesn't run on Windows XP. Uptake will be far, far too slow without XP support.

Out of those 9%... (1)

sosaited (1925622) | more than 3 years ago | (#35491148)

if you are one of the 9% of Slashdot readers who actually uses IE

I have a feeling at least 5% of these must be behind some proxy servers which mask the User-agent string with IE one.

Ok I admit that the feeling is not speculation, but more like hope.

How many of that 9% use Vista or Win7? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35491156)

Otherwise you're SOL anyway.

some of the 9% have no choice (1)

Ryunosuke (576755) | more than 3 years ago | (#35491166)

my job forces me to use Ie7. I haven't used it at home since the early firefox days, and I use crome 1/4 of the time I'm at home. the fact i have to use it at work on our net based apps makes me rage ... especially considering we just went "all windows" this spring (2011) after using a shitton of dos apps (we use SAP now, and I don't remember what we used for the last 8 years ... some sort of inventory program).

WTF? No XP support? (4, Informative)

briansct (1857764) | more than 3 years ago | (#35491168)

At work on Win XP (imagine that) trying to upgrade. . . "To install Internet Explorer 9, you need to upgrade to a more recent version of Windows"

Not that I use IE9, but... (1)

Ergodicity (1168195) | more than 3 years ago | (#35491248)

Searching "update internet explorer" in Bing top hits are for IE6 SP1. Going to the IE9 download page with IE9 release candidate leads to warnings on "certificate errors" and malicious contents. Oh Microsoft, do you have to be that crappy?

elimination of 24/7 weapon use could reduce death (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35491322)

fuzzy math? the fear based objections are already failing ANY mathematical parameters, or previously established mandates of the prime directive. babys rule. it's happening. see you there?

Wow, you'd think that for a tech site... (1)

Tomsk70 (984457) | more than 3 years ago | (#35491366)

...slashdot wouldn't trump about how few corporate users visit their site.

But then that's the Linux attitude all over - not 'our userbase is one hundredth of the world', more 'our userbase has grown by 4000%!'

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