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Over Half a Decade, China Closed 130,000 Internet Cafes

timothy posted more than 3 years ago | from the of-by-and-for-the-people's-assembly dept.

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angry tapir writes "China shut down more than 130,000 illegal Internet cafes in the country over a six year period, as part of crackdown to control the market, according to a new Chinese government report. Internet cafes in China are highly regulated by the government, which can issue and revoke their licenses. Authorities have made it illegal for Internet cafes to serve minors under the age of 18, stating that the Web's content could endanger their well-being."

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Let's Declare A No-Fly Zone! (1, Informative)

virb67 (1771270) | more than 3 years ago | (#35540328)

How is China different than Gaddafi's Libya? Oh right, it's far worse. But they have no oil. And they're not weak. And they allow the West to exploit their their people, as long as the CCP get their cut.

Re:Let's Declare A No-Fly Zone! (1)

iamhassi (659463) | more than 3 years ago | (#35540354)

"And they allow the West to exploit their their people, as long as the CCP get their cut."

And they will destroy themselves. How long will 2 billion people live under such oppression?

Re:Let's Declare A No-Fly Zone! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35540460)

about 4000 years?

Re:Let's Declare A No-Fly Zone! (3, Informative)

JWSmythe (446288) | more than 3 years ago | (#35540584)

Before you go screaming about oppression, consider the scale of the numbers.

    In 2002, there were about 46,000 licensed internet cafes, and 150,000 unlicensed internet cafes. (Ref: Time Magazine) [time.com]

    In 2000, there were about 40,000 licensed cafes, growing to 168,000 in 2009.
    (Ref: Investors Hub) [advfn.com]

    If you apply the same ratio of licensed vs unlicensed from the Time article (3.2:1), it could be extrapolated that there were also approximately 538,000 unlicensed cafes. So if 130,000 were closed down over a period of 5 years, that would be a whopping 26,000 per year. So roughly 5% of the illegal cafes were shut down. That could easily be attributed to disgruntled customers, ex-employees, failure to pay bribes to local law enforcement, or law enforcement needing to show that they are making an effort against such illegal activity.

    Someone else can work out the trends to show my numbers are a little off, but not terribly far.

    These tiny numbers in relation to the size of the country, population, and number of cafes are insignificant.

    I'd be willing to bet similar trends could be shown in the US relating to liquor license violations, marijuana grow house busts, and other associated nefarious activities. If it weren't China and the Internet, it wouldn't have even been news.

    If you're going worry about such things, worry about those who end up in prison here in the US on petty charges, that range from perfectly legal to gray areas in many other states and countries.

Re:Let's Declare A No-Fly Zone! (1)

MBGMorden (803437) | more than 3 years ago | (#35542450)

http://xkcd.com/605/ [xkcd.com]

There's a danger in just assuming that trends continue without verification.

Re:Let's Declare A No-Fly Zone! (3, Interesting)

russotto (537200) | more than 3 years ago | (#35541700)

And they will destroy themselves. How long will 2 billion people live under such oppression?

Indefinitely. Worse conditions have been the lot of most of the human race for most of history. Sixty-year-old North Korea is far worse.

Re:Let's Declare A No-Fly Zone! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35540388)

I know China is far from perfect, but to compare the Chinese government currently to Gaddafi who is using aircraft and tanks to obliterate Libyans is a stretch.

Re:Let's Declare A No-Fly Zone! (4, Insightful)

the linux geek (799780) | more than 3 years ago | (#35540532)

How? They've demonstrated many times that they're willing to use military force against the population. Or have you forgotten that whole Tienanmen Square thing?

Re:Let's Declare A No-Fly Zone! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35540570)

The USA have demonstrated many times that they're willing to use military force against the natives. You almost murdered them all.

Re:Let's Declare A No-Fly Zone! (1)

the linux geek (799780) | more than 3 years ago | (#35540578)

Me, personally? I murdered them all? Funny, given that I'm a white-card holder (Registered Indian.)

Re:Let's Declare A No-Fly Zone! (1)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 3 years ago | (#35540668)

He was pointing to the guy next to you.

Re:Let's Declare A No-Fly Zone! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35541282)

Yes, you almost murdered or at least almost manslaughtered them all. For example when you almost hit one with your car, when you almost stabbed yourself or when you puched a friend and he almost landed on something really dangerous.

Re:Let's Declare A No-Fly Zone! (1)

BasilBrush (643681) | more than 3 years ago | (#35541262)

Have you forgotten the whole Waco thing?

Re:Let's Declare A No-Fly Zone! (1)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | more than 3 years ago | (#35540616)

China are so skilled as oppressors, they don't *need* to use aircraft and tanks. They have perfected the art of propaganda.

It's a civil war (1)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 3 years ago | (#35540662)

You're right. Khaddafi should be compared to Abraham Lincoln. /troll

Re:It's a civil war (0)

quenda (644621) | more than 3 years ago | (#35540910)

You're right. Khaddafi should be compared to Abraham Lincoln. /troll

Troll or not, your comment is valid. The Chinese have begun to remove statues of Mao. How long before Americans do the same for Lincoln?
The US civil war led to the deaths of millions. For what? It would only have been a matter of time before the impoverished southern states came back, grovelling for re-admittance. Yet Lincoln is a hero, not a mass-murderer. With this attitude I don't think we will see Cheney & Bush in The Hague any time soon.

Re:Let's Declare A No-Fly Zone! (1)

kestasjk (933987) | more than 3 years ago | (#35540742)

I guess you just don't place as much importance on internet cafes as we do..

Re:Let's Declare A No-Fly Zone! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35540394)

Last time i checked China has not tried to mass bomb cities of their own people, Yes they're not without their human rights abuses but they are small time compared to the psycho running Libya

Re:Let's Declare A No-Fly Zone! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35540432)

Gaddafi is small time compared to Mao.

Re:Let's Declare A No-Fly Zone! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35540476)

Hitler was small time compared to Mao.

Re:Let's Declare A No-Fly Zone! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35540720)

GWB was small time compared to Mao.

Kittlers are also small.

Re:Let's Declare A No-Fly Zone! (0)

rainmouse (1784278) | more than 3 years ago | (#35540534)

Your right, the west should be quick to judge the foreign cultures we have little personal experience of and take the moral high ground; After all acts like the crippling economic sanctions imposed on Iraq by the UN after bombing their country into the stone age only caused an estimated million civilian casualties of which an estimated 500,000+ were children.

But how can the Chinese live with themselves, not allowing children under the age of 18 to visit Internet cafe's? It is much more important we quietly sweep our acts of indirect genocide under the mat then and focus on the real moral issue here, these backward evil nations that resist us putting a Starbucks and MacDonald's on every street corner.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1719267/pdf/v088p00092b.pdf [nih.gov]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_sanctions#Effect_of_the_sanctions_on_the_Iraqi_people [wikipedia.org]

http://www.suite101.com/content/children-as-casualties-of-war-a176530 [suite101.com]

Re:Let's Declare A No-Fly Zone! (1)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 3 years ago | (#35540678)

IMO the "West" has lost the moral high ground forever, since Iraq. Now anything you say can and will be used against you.

Re:Let's Declare A No-Fly Zone! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35540850)

The fact that the west has lost the moral high ground does not raise the moral ground of China. The fact that someone lives in or is from a 'bad place' does not make their arguments more or less true. I'm so tired of "Oh yeah? Well you ...." arguments.

Re:Let's Declare A No-Fly Zone! (1)

rainmouse (1784278) | more than 3 years ago | (#35540940)

The fact that the west has lost the moral high ground does not raise the moral ground of China.

No but it certainly does not validate our Western opinion, also worth considering are other facts such as how China has half the murder rate of the USA and much of Europe and roughly double the happy planet index value as well as consistently scoring higher in life satisfaction surveys. At what point in any of this do we become qualified to criticise their way of living?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate [wikipedia.org]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Planet_Index [wikipedia.org]

Re:Let's Declare A No-Fly Zone! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35541310)

What I'm trying to say is that, where someone lives, or was born, does not make their opinion more or less valid. I'm not talking about saying one country is better than the other, or making comparisons at all.

Bombing Iraq does not make this policy right or wrong.

China's murder rate being less than half the rate in the US has nothing to do with this policy.

How life satisfaction surveys were conducted in Western China in general or Xinjiang in particular, while an interesting question, has nothing to do with this issue.

In any case, living in a bad place can make you a pretty good judge of bad places. Does living under a dictatorship somehow disqualify you from being able to criticise other dictatorships?

Re:Let's Declare A No-Fly Zone! (2)

delineal (1970468) | more than 3 years ago | (#35541928)

In the USA, we don't need to be "qualified" to criticize anything. Simply put, in the USA, our expectations are higher because there is more potential and more possibility. In China, if you're not at the top of the class, your life options suddenly become much more limited (source: Chinese girlfriend). Everyone in China knows it to be true and accepts it as the way of things. In the USA, your opportunities are only limited by your own drive and life choices. It's easy to be "happy" when you don't know what you're missing. Ignorance is bliss.

Re:Let's Declare A No-Fly Zone! (1)

russotto (537200) | more than 3 years ago | (#35541822)

Your right, the west should be quick to judge the foreign cultures we have little personal experience of and take the moral high ground;

Looks like the cultural relativists are out in force today.

After all acts like the crippling economic sanctions imposed on Iraq by the UN after bombing their country into the stone age only caused an estimated million civilian casualties of which an estimated 500,000+ were children.

Iraq, Iraq, Iraq. Why do you keep focusing on such a small conflict? For starters, let's consider Korea instead. Two and a half million civilian casualties (on both sides) according to South Korea. But of course that's also a small conflict by 20th century standards; WWII, on the order of 50 million civilian deaths (including those due to the US nuking two cities in Japan), almost none of them American. If you really want to condemn "the West", forget about Iraq.

Re:Let's Declare A No-Fly Zone! (1)

rainmouse (1784278) | more than 3 years ago | (#35542246)

Looks like the cultural relativists are out in force today.

Hypocrisy is ok but relativism is not? Or is the real bugbear in the house merely patriotism?

Iraq, Iraq, Iraq. Why do you keep focusing on such a small conflict? For starters, let's consider Korea instead.

Iraq is more relevant as it is comparably recent and many of the same people are still in power.

Re:Let's Declare A No-Fly Zone! (1)

russotto (537200) | more than 3 years ago | (#35542428)

Looks like the cultural relativists are out in force today.

Hypocrisy is ok but relativism is not? Or is the real bugbear in the house merely patriotism?

When hypocrisy consists of advocating good despite having done evil, it's better than the relativism of refusing to admit the existence of evil.

Iraq is more relevant as it is comparably recent and many of the same people are still in power.

That would be George Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, and José MarÃa Aznar?

But that's a distraction; if you only used Iraq because Korea was too long ago, does that mean you agree intervention in Korea was wrong? That the West should have let Kim Il Sung rule the whole place, and dismissed his actions domestically as mere cultural differences?

Re:Let's Declare A No-Fly Zone! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35540924)

Whoa! what does CCP get out of this there one of the most open game developers out there. /sarcasm

Re:Let's Declare A No-Fly Zone! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35541352)

Also you have to remember that they have a permanent member UN veto status. Which is part of the reason that they along with Russia didn't fuss too much about the Libya decision. They have a trump card that prevents the same from ever happening to them. Of course having nukes in the arsenal and a somewhat modern standing army doesn't hurt either.

Re:Let's Declare A No-Fly Zone! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35541458)

Dude, however bad China might be, there are worse problems in the world right now:
-- the US, its hunger for oil countries and its bullying ways;
-- other countries with stupid jerks who think nuclear can be made safe.

Any dictator OTOH is a big problem not to the world but to his own people.

Me, not from [US, China, Russia].

Re:Let's Declare A No-Fly Zone! (1)

wisnoskij (1206448) | more than 3 years ago | (#35541470)

But they are right, the internet's content probably should not be available to people under 18 without some sort of monitoring.

Hmm (3, Informative)

euyis (1521257) | more than 3 years ago | (#35540342)

Authorities have made it illegal for Internet cafes to serve minors under the age of 18,

And the last time I went to a internet cafe I was given a vaild ID number of someone over 18 along with the name associated to log in when I explained that my ID card's missing and a new one is not yet available. Didn't even bother asking me to give my number - guess they do the same when the minors come to play online games.

Authorities everywhere are "concerned" (1)

h00manist (800926) | more than 3 years ago | (#35541660)

Internet regulations are increasing all over under all sorts of excuses. From "copyright violations" or "protecting children", the authorities are afraid. Only information runs over the internet, only communications. Unbridled, uncensored, uncontrolled, unsupervised information and communication is a threat to whoever has something to hide, reason to be afraid of what people are thinking or discussing. Mass group communications leads to mass group opinion making, coordinating, and planning. As soon as decentralized money systems and education systems are discovered and organized in large numbers, by the masses and labor and finances can no longer be centrally controlled, and society will be completely transformed.

Re:Hmm (1)

jacksonyee (590218) | more than 3 years ago | (#35541984)

About the same thing happened with me. I recently moved back to China and thus did not have my ID card yet. My little brother went and got us both into an Internet gaming place with no questions asked. Of course, it seems that most of the people there did nothing more than to play Counterstrike, World of Warcraft, or little puzzle games all day, and I'm well over 21, but I don't really consider this a big deal. It reminds me of going to R rated movies back in the days where you knew your friends working at the box office and no one really cared as long as the theatre got their money. I haven't heard of anyone playing Everquest for 72 hours straight and getting themselves killed here in China yet, and we have larger issues to deal with like the economy and providing medical care for everyone.

Now now, let's not be hasty. (3, Funny)

DWMorse (1816016) | more than 3 years ago | (#35540344)

Let's not jump to conclusions that this is all about -The Internet-.

Unregulated coffee can be DANGEROUS.

Re:Now now, let's not be hasty. (1)

Aeternitas827 (1256210) | more than 3 years ago | (#35540428)

Coffee is small-time. The 32oz Monster energy drinks come with a warning saying 'Do not consume more than one per day'.

That warning is pretty accurate, by the way. Even I get a little off after more than that, and I usually handle excess of those types of things fairly well.

Re:Now now, let's not be hasty. (1, Funny)

gratuitous_arp (1650741) | more than 3 years ago | (#35541018)

Unregulated coffee can be DANGEROUS.

Doesn't anyone on slashdot take things seriously anymore? You're probably sipping your coffee and laughing -- but coffee contains very high quantities of dihydrogen monoxide (DHMO), which can kill in high amounts. See here:

http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html [dhmo.org]

Thanks to careful forethought, most grocery stores sell DHMO-free coffee. This is also why Starbucks puts so much other crap in theirs -- a lot less room for DHMO.

Re:Now now, let's not be hasty. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35541052)

Especially Capitalist American coffee.

Look, I'm staunchly pro-American and I love the country and its fine people. But guys, seriously? Your coffee tastes like arse.

Does China need NASCAR? (-1, Flamebait)

Compaqt (1758360) | more than 3 years ago | (#35540360)

Maybe they should have NASCAR, American Idol, and Supersize portions which allow the American Sheeple wallow in blissful ignorance about what latest corporate welfare or other scheme their government is up to without having to spend money and time on these kinds of onerous crackdowns.

Re:Does China need NASCAR? (1)

virb67 (1771270) | more than 3 years ago | (#35540402)

Yes, because everyone who's given the option between being an oppressed state programmed automaton and real freedom becomes a NASCAR obsessed moron, right?

Re:Does China need NASCAR? (1)

Noughmad (1044096) | more than 3 years ago | (#35542166)

Not everyone, but most.

Re:Does China need NASCAR? (2)

BasilBrush (643681) | more than 3 years ago | (#35540576)

NASCAR, American Idol, and Supersize portions: the opium of the people.

Re:Does China need NASCAR? (1)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 3 years ago | (#35540704)

Yup. Strange how history repeats itself, every time slightly different, but generally the same. Instead of gladiators it's American Gladiator. Instead of beasts we have race-cars and steroid laced millionaires. But the circus continues while the state treasure is squandered, politicians try to deal with the barbarian threat on the border by expanding the border, coin is issued with reckless abandon, laws become more and more ridiculous, unenforceable and extreme, and yes hostiles are even offered bribes to stop attacking. I'm just waiting to see who the new Hannibal is going to be.

Re:Does China need NASCAR? (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 3 years ago | (#35540740)

I'm just waiting to see who the new Hannibal is going to be.

Liam Neeson [imdb.com] .

Re:Does China need NASCAR? (1)

gratuitous_arp (1650741) | more than 3 years ago | (#35541156)

NASCAR, American Idol, and Supersize portions: the opium of the people

Who can forget the elegant prose of modern-day philosopher Marl "More!" Karx's famous lines concerning NASCAR ...

... The burp of the oppressed creature, the beer of the beerless situation, and the fire of fireless collisions ...

Criticism [of NASCAR] has plucked the imaginary flowers on the chain not in order that man shall continue to bear that chain without fantasy or consolation, but so that he shall get off his ass once a year on the 4th of July to get drunk and watch some huge explosions.

Games (2)

Xenna (37238) | more than 3 years ago | (#35540382)

When I was in China last, six years ago, and went to visit internet cafe's, all the other people ever seemed to be doing was playing games.

Re:Games (1)

JWSmythe (446288) | more than 3 years ago | (#35540498)

    Of course they were. They were farming gold or whatever in (thinking back 6 years) for World of Warcraft and Second Life.

Re:Games (1)

Ash-Fox (726320) | more than 3 years ago | (#35540544)

Of course they were. They were farming gold or whatever in (thinking back 6 years) for World of Warcraft and Second Life.

1) How do you mine gold or whatever in Second life?
2) Why would you mine gold or whatever in Second life?

Re:Games (1)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | more than 3 years ago | (#35540622)

It's just an expression. It means to play an online game for profit by performing very menial tasks for long hours, then selling your gains for real currency. It can be done, but to turn a profit requires you have players willing to spend very long hours at the game (This isn't for fun: It's a job) performing very repetative actions for a tiny, tiny pay. Thus why it's done in China, where labor costs are very low. It's easy to get very rich in-game if you can spent eighteen hours a day playing, every day. Then it's just a matter of selling your in-game wealth for real dollars on the gray market.

Re:Games (1)

JWSmythe (446288) | more than 3 years ago | (#35542266)

    Exactly.

    The online currency in Second Life could be traded for real money, which didn't even involve a gray market. There was (is?) a legitimate exchange.

    Between that, sales of virtual merchandise, virtual gambling and virtual prostitution, there was serious money to be made there.

Re:Games (1)

quenda (644621) | more than 3 years ago | (#35540948)

    Of course they were. They were farming gold or whatever in (thinking back 6 years) for World of Warcraft and Second Life.

100 million urban Chinese kids were gold-farmers? I find that hard to believe.

Re:Games (1)

wisty (1335733) | more than 3 years ago | (#35541728)

Not really. A lot are just "little emperors" - only children (boys to boot!) who can do no wrong. Oh, except they have to study 18 hours a day, but a few rebel, for some reason.

Re:Games (1)

RichM (754883) | more than 3 years ago | (#35541334)

When I was in China last, six years ago, and went to visit internet cafe's, all the other people ever seemed to be doing was playing games.

Or possibly stealing everything from your WoW account...

Since when... (1, Funny)

Aeternitas827 (1256210) | more than 3 years ago | (#35540408)

...does six years a 'half a decade' make?

My math teachers taught me that a decade was 10 years, and half of 10 was five...

Re:Since when... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35540424)

In China, 6 + 6 = 10 if they say it does.

Grammar check (1)

srussia (884021) | more than 3 years ago | (#35540440)

...does six years a 'half a decade' make?

Maybe the original summary said "Over Over Half a Decade..." until the over-zealous grammar check eliminated the repetition.

Re:Grammar check (1)

Aeternitas827 (1256210) | more than 3 years ago | (#35540466)

Replace the initial 'over' with 'in', make it read 'In over half a decade', problem solved :D

Re:Grammar check (1)

metacell (523607) | more than 3 years ago | (#35540776)

That wouldn't be grammatical... "in half a decade" means "half a decade into the future", while "over half a decade" means "during the course of half a decade".

In, over, under and thereabout, know I know... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35541034)

But can you tell me what the definition of 'is' is?

Re:Since when... (1)

realkiwi (23584) | more than 3 years ago | (#35540468)

That there be inflation! Or maybe a /. special offer: ask for 10 years, get two for free!

Re:Since when... (5, Funny)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 3 years ago | (#35540504)

...does six years a 'half a decade' make?

My math teachers taught me that a decade was 10 years, and half of 10 was five...

You're apparently not familiar with the "baker's decade".

Re:Since when... (2)

yuri benjamin (222127) | more than 3 years ago | (#35540560)

...does six years a 'half a decade' make?

My math teachers taught me that a decade was 10 years, and half of 10 was five...

Six years, rounded to the nearest half decade, is half a decade.

Re:Since when... (1)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 3 years ago | (#35540708)

You would be amazed at the amount of people who equate pedantry with intelligence.

Re:Since when... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35541084)

You can equate literacy with intelligence.

I'm yet to meet a dumb-fuck who can correct misuse of an apostrophe.

It saddens me that children in China will have a better grasp of written English than many children from English speaking countries.

Re:Since when... (1)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 3 years ago | (#35541170)

That depends on your definition of literacy. Reading the TV guide or Reader's Digest whilst sitting on the toilet is not necessarily an indicator of heightened cognitive ability, although it might allude to constipation.

Re:Since when... (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35541412)

I'm amazed at the number of people who equate pedantry with intelligence.

Scam Correlation (0)

Frosty Piss (770223) | more than 3 years ago | (#35540454)

130,000 Internet cafes in China, eh? Wonder if a correlation could be made to the levels of gold farming and forum spam for fake sports shoes and designer hand bags?

There's a joke in here about Apple... (3, Insightful)

Anubis IV (1279820) | more than 3 years ago | (#35540480)

Authorities have made it illegal for Internet cafes to serve minors under the age of 18, stating that the Web's content could endanger their well-being.

I'm surprised no one has made a crack yet about Apple's App Store rules regarding apps that allow access to the Internet. After all, they get an automatic 17+ rating. I'd make the joke myself, but I'm tired and I'm a fanboy of Apple, so I'll leave it to others.

Re:There's a joke in here about Apple... (1, Insightful)

UBfusion (1303959) | more than 3 years ago | (#35540546)

Unfortunately there's no joke to be made... the internet is a dangerous place. Pretending it's not makes it even more dangerous.

Re:There's a joke in here about Apple... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35540952)

Information is not dangerous to human beings. By pretending that it is, we surrender our intellectual autonomy to censors.

The sooner we start teaching children to think critically about everything they see, hear, and read, the better off our society will be. There is no better place for them to learn that lesson than the Internet.

Re:There's a joke in here about Apple... (1)

theBully (1056930) | more than 3 years ago | (#35541892)

You must be right. There is no information on the net that could affect a child's development in any way. All the reports of them being exposed to excessive pornography, violence promotion, racism promotion, and bullying through social media must be simply censors doing their work in the shadow to keep children away from this wonderful, peaceful and harmonious place called the Internet.

Having said that I hope you don't have any children right now. I believe the concern is more than valid even so the PRC government actually does it for political reasons rather than social ones.
Information can be dangerous to children because they don't know how to separate valuable objective information from the rest. I have seen one to many teenagers turning to racism simply because they've been given false information or information presented in a certain way. Most of the information on the Internet (and in any other form of media) is not objectively presented scientific information. Only a 10 year old, or a 15 year old may not have the capability of extracting the valuable information from within all that noise.
I hear that INFORMATION is a good thing all too often. It's neither good or bad, but it can be easily manipulated both ways. If the receiver of the information does not have the means of removing the nuances and subjectiveness from the package it's probably best if he/she does not reach that information without some help. And yes, the Internet is definitely 17+.

Re:There's a joke in here about Apple... (1)

Noughmad (1044096) | more than 3 years ago | (#35542206)

You must be right. There is no information on the net that could affect a child's development in any way. All the reports of them being exposed to excessive pornography, violence promotion, racism promotion, and bullying through social media must be simply censors doing their work in the shadow to keep children away from this wonderful, peaceful and harmonious place called the Internet.

This is plain stupid. People are not "exposed" to the internet. On the internet, you only see what you type in or click. What you see on the internet are thing that other people wrote. How is this any different than listening to people? Should we lock the kids up and say "the people are definitely 17+"?

Re:There's a joke in here about Apple... (1)

theBully (1056930) | more than 3 years ago | (#35542706)

You mean to tell me that as a parent you have no interest or concern whatsoever on who your children are talking to? Are you a parent? Are you even past 10?
Keep in mind that the amount of information children get to by simply talking is limited to friends, school and adults in the family. It's a very small circle compared to the Internet. They won't be talked to by child pornographers or by extremist idiots unless you take them to some place where they can meet such people. Teens are more exposed to potentially dangerous information than smaller children but this is why they are also more often involved in things that have the potential to destroy they're lives. When a parent finds that his child is hanging out with the wrong people he does try to intervene. On the Internet it's all within a click just like you said. Set children in front of a computer without any parental control and they'll get to some ugly staff in no time. I won't even mention teenagers here.
Since you are so quick at using "plain stupid" here is a piece of advice for you: It is better to shut up and risk to be thought of as stupid then to open your mouth and make it certain.

Re:There's a joke in here about Apple... (1)

improfane (855034) | more than 3 years ago | (#35541906)

No, your personal information is dangerous to you when in the hands in other people. Dangerous in terms of the UK Census being ran by Lockheed Martin and the possibility of McCarthyism.

It's not dangerous for you to have access to information.

"Illegal" != "not lawful" (2)

UBfusion (1303959) | more than 3 years ago | (#35540558)

To my poor understanding of english as a second language, an "illegal Internet café" is a café that operates without a licence, and not a café that violates its licence terms (not serving minors). Am I wrong?

Re:"Illegal" != "not lawful" (1)

bruce_the_loon (856617) | more than 3 years ago | (#35540812)

Probably yes and no. Illegal does mean no license, but if the penalty for violating the terms of the license is the automatic revocation of the license, then you become illegal.

Misleading, China is forbidding addictive gameplay (4, Interesting)

Clsid (564627) | more than 3 years ago | (#35540620)

The article is not reflecting why these measures came to pass. They are trying to block minors from spending all day long playing World of Warcraft, Counterstrike and similar addictive games, not the web itself. You can be in favor or against games like that, but one thing is certain, they are truly addictive and in my country, Venezuela, they don't allow minors with school uniforms into Internet cafes either. See the problem is that in countries like this, the "cafe" part is meaningless. People use computers in these places since they might not have a net connection at home, the games would have incredible lag and a myriad of other issues mostly related to money and available infrastructure. It is the same way in most developing countries.

Re:Misleading, China is forbidding addictive gamep (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35540930)

Nobody wants to hear that. People want to hear China is just evil, please let them. That minors still have web access through their mobile phone nobody is interested in. That Chinese look to their government to keep their kids in line also nobody wants to know about.

For those who do care: yes they're evil and yes they censor. But no, that's not why these places were closed.

Re:Misleading - Quick note from an expat (1)

nhtshot (198470) | more than 3 years ago | (#35541122)

Not only do they limit access to internet cafes, but to a whole assortment of other "entertainment“ venues.

Even video arcades (places quite strongly associated with children) are age restricted here.

This has nothing to do with the usual "evil China" banter about censorship, et al. and everything to do with conservative "family" values.

China is so conservative, it makes Ronald Reagan look like a communist. (Note: I live in mainland China)

Well ... (1)

lennier1 (264730) | more than 3 years ago | (#35540624)

Good to know China also has assholes who are using the "think of the children" excuse to screw up people's lives.

Re:Well ... (1)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 3 years ago | (#35540766)

At least in China it's because all those damned children playing Starcraft are coming in late for their shifts at the factories...

Re:Well ... (1)

lennier1 (264730) | more than 3 years ago | (#35540798)

If they don't, people at Engadget will be bitching about how they had to wait a few days more for their iPhone to arrive.

disarmament catching on to save life/planet/spirit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35540626)

curious why it's taken so long? we all know killing is important, but it would seem at least useful to stop, for say, 1 year, to see what happens. we'd probaly be able to see & breath better because of the decreased spewage from all that gear. why does that not measure in? did it ever?

how long has the holycost been going on (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35540660)

as long as any of us can remember. part of 'life'. the toll on the developing human spirit/life cycles is unimaginable. & who do we pay to make money on death?

Endanger whose well-being? (1)

macraig (621737) | more than 3 years ago | (#35540694)

Authorities have made it illegal for Internet cafes to serve minors under the age of 18, stating that the Web's content could endanger their well-being.

I think there was a mix-up in translation here... "their" being the Chinese government, not the minors, right?

Re:Endanger whose well-being? (1)

kwoff (516741) | more than 3 years ago | (#35541188)

And which communist-party leader owns the internet cafe chains which Yu Yi would like to promote?

Re:Endanger whose well-being? (1)

v1 (525388) | more than 3 years ago | (#35541380)

I was just thinking the same thing with the minors on the internet, "we haven't finished brainwashing them yet."

Seriously! (1)

Blackout for Hungary (1970198) | more than 3 years ago | (#35540700)

Why do I get advertisements in my RSS reader? The reason why I subscribed to Slashdot RSS in the first place, because mobile internet traffic is f***ing expensive here

Re:Seriously! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35540956)

Because that's how they pay for this site

99.999% world's pop. oppose being ruled etc.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35540724)

the other .001? one can 'rule' quite a serfdom, with enough lawyers, guns & money (rome, real estate overextensionalism(?). a little depopulation seems to fall in the brew when the peasants whine. aren't we better at protecting ourselves than hired armed goons who shoot at us are? babys rule. that's it.

#1 least popular issue, topic, suggestion (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35540774)

that would be moving inland. it is not an unpopular search topic now. slow but sure would be better? we'll take care of each other? crowds are good. drowning? 'living' in absolute devastation? both avoidable so far? don't bring ANY weapons, hired goons etc.... thanks

actually.... (1)

Johann Lau (1040920) | more than 3 years ago | (#35540788)

considering all the... STUFF... I've seen on the intarwebs over the decade I've been on it.... I don't think it's that stupid to say "minors @ internet == HAS to include parental supervision"... I don't think that's stupid at all...

Re:actually.... (1)

mijelh (1111411) | more than 3 years ago | (#35540914)

I recollect that, when a stripling, we were exposed to the internets without the aid of the elder. That's how we become men.

Internet only to adults? I good idea. (1)

devent (1627873) | more than 3 years ago | (#35540990)

I find it a good idea to make Internet only for 18+, so we can finally stop the stupid debates of content filtering, content ratings, etc. As I can see the only way children can access to the internet is only if the adults are get a connection. A child can't get DSL or any other connection, it's always the parents which get the connection from the ISP and allowing their children to access the internet. So why should other adults suffer if the parents won't check what websites their children access?

Please make the internet an "adult zone" and just stop all discussions about internet ratings and content filtering.

Re:Internet only to adults? I good idea. (1)

Zontar The Mindless (9002) | more than 3 years ago | (#35541160)

I find it a good idea to make Internet only for 18+, so we can finally stop the stupid debates of content filtering, content ratings, etc. ...

Please make the internet an "adult zone" and just stop all discussions about internet ratings and content filtering.

While we're at it, let's make television, radio, and all printed and recorded media part of that adult zone as well.

Problem solved!

Not only do they forbid minors.... (1)

General_Fei (1811884) | more than 3 years ago | (#35541128)

(Note: I live in China at the moment) Internet café's also require patrons to scan their shenfen-zheng ("Chinese National ID Card") when buying time at a computer console. Not only does it filter out minors, it also filters out all non-Chinese nationals, since foreigners don't have the National ID Cards and the ID scanners can't handle passports.
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