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Apple's App Store Accepts 'Gay Cure' App

timothy posted more than 3 years ago | from the gee-wally-guess-it-was-just-a-mistake dept.

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parallel_prankster writes "Apple is under fire for approving a controversial app created by a religious organization — Exodus International. The app seeks to help gay individuals become heterosexual. It received a '4' rating from Apple, which indicates the company considered the app to contain 'no objectionable material.' The new smartphone app was released last week and is now available through iTunes. Exodus International claims to be 'the world's largest ministry to individuals and families impacted by homosexuality.' A petition has been launched by Truth Wins Out, which describes itself as a non-profit organisation that fights anti-gay religious extremism on the change.org website, asking Steve Jobs to intervene to remove the app."

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Amazing. (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35544988)

Considering Apple is gay.

No objectionable material? (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35545006)

So would a god bashing app be allowed?

Re:No objectionable material? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35545020)

Every app is a god bashing app.

Re:No objectionable material? (1)

oliverthered (187439) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545088)

I don't know... but have they filtered out Mr Self Destruct by Nine Inch Nails [youtube.com] or are they playing it over the Tannoy?

i am the lover in your bed and i control you
i am the sex that you provide and i control you

There really is an app for everything :P (4, Funny)

Merls the Sneaky (1031058) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545008)

Homosexual? There's an app for that!

Re:There really is an app for everything :P (1, Funny)

click2005 (921437) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545032)

I'd be interested to know how it works.

My guess is.. If the on-iDevice microphone hears you mention Justin Bieber's ass it shows you a pair of tits?

Re:There really is an app for everything :P (4, Interesting)

Gaygirlie (1657131) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545194)

If the on-iDevice microphone hears you mention Justin Bieber's ass it shows you a pair of tits?

Showing tits to a homosexual man would not get any reaction, or maybe disgust. Ie. it wouldn't work.

As an aside, I don't understand anyways how one could "cure" homosexuality. It's like saying you can cure someone from listening to metal, or from liking steaks. Atleast I know I can somehow just suddenly decide and stop being interested in other girls, no matter how hard I'd try. It's a fact, and at the age of 28 I do quite think I know myself well enough to know that it's not just something anyone can change.

And doesn't the bible anyways tell one must not lie? Isn't it also a form of lying to know that you're homosexual deep inside but try to pose as a heterosexual person, both to yourself and possible partners and outside society? Ergo, wouldn't it be against the bible, too? It's something that has always bothered me. Then again, bible has lots of things that get contradicted by the very same book they're in..

Re:There really is an app for everything :P (3, Funny)

gmhowell (26755) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545228)

It's a fact, and at the age of 28 I do quite think I know myself well enough to know that it's not just something anyone can change.

Dear God, you're gay.

Re:There really is an app for everything :P (5, Funny)

narcc (412956) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545416)

I guess her username " Gaygirlie" wasn't a big enough clue?

Re:There really is an app for everything :P (3, Interesting)

realityimpaired (1668397) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545350)

the Bible also has nothing against lesbians, only gay males... actually, some of the ways of reading the book of Ruth, she can be interpreted as a lesbian.... :) Personally... I made an arrangement with the Bible decades ago: I don't bother it, and it doesn't bother me. My girlfriend has different issues with it, but that's because her father is a pastor. (personally, I think that the xian God is petty, vindictive, and cliquish, and certainly not the kind of deity I'd want to break bread with)

More on topic... the lying/bible thing... have you ever seen the movie For The Bible Tells Me So? They address the issue of these so-called "straight camps" in a pretty blunt way: it puts a kind of social negative pressure on people who are gay, discouraging them from accepting themselves, and teaching them to be ashamed of their natural feelings. That lack of self-acceptance is one of the leading causes of suicide within the LGBT community, at least in my experience. I have to ask how many gay boys and girls killed themselves without ever coming out, because they were afraid of being accepted... I have a girlfriend who's in the middle of exactly that debate with herself right now, because her parents are vehemently religious, and she's trans. I'm really worried for how it's going to turn out for her, and I sincerely hope she can get the hell out of her parents' house and into a safe place soon.

(and I tried to be straight. once. when I was 14. I got sick. literally. threw up. and didn't date anybody again until university... and yet still when I told my mom I was queer, she replied "no you're not"... I was lucky, though.... both my parents have happily accepted me once they saw the difference that not lying about myself made to my general sense of well-being and happiness).

Re:There really is an app for everything :P (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35545410)

Personally I dislike gay males because they are just so fabulous and dress like I can only imagine. Thus making all of us straights look like slobs.

That was sarcasm in case you can't tell.

Re:There really is an app for everything :P (2)

oliverthered (187439) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545352)

" It's a fact, and at the age of 28 I do quite think I know myself well enough to know that it's not just something anyone can change."

I know people who didn't swing the other way until way into their 40s... you'd be surprised sexuality can change, though usually in the direction of bi-sexual and finding it unbearable to live with the other sex.

Re:There really is an app for everything :P (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35545402)

Perhaps their sexuality didn't change (it was always there, just being repressed). Far more likely that they simply came to a place where they felt able or willing to explore their "other" side.

Behavior doesn't dictate sexual orientation. Many a gay man of the past got married and had kids. Didn't make him straight, just closeted. And when he "came out", it didn't mean he "turned gay", just that he stopped lying about who he really was.

Re:There really is an app for everything :P (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35545364)

You probably cannot eliminate the urges, but if one actually wants to, and tries, they can repress those urges. It is similar to, an albeit much simpler impulse, to see some kind of food that looks tasty, but realize that you don't need it and it is better that you don't eat it. The impulse is there, but you can control the impulse, but again, only if you want to.
Second, I don't see how not expressing your inner desires makes you a liar. If someone is OCD, does trying not to let it control them make them a liar?
Lastly, I suspect this app is for people who have homosexual desires but want to control them for whatever reason. If someone happy as a homosexual and living that way, they don't have to use it.

Re:There really is an app for everything :P (1)

RobertM1968 (951074) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545386)

If the on-iDevice microphone hears you mention Justin Bieber's ass it shows you a pair of tits?

Showing tits to a homosexual man would not get any reaction, or maybe disgust. Ie. it wouldn't work.

As an aside, I don't understand anyways how one could "cure" homosexuality. It's like saying you can cure someone from listening to metal, or from liking steaks. Atleast I know I can somehow just suddenly decide and stop being interested in other girls, no matter how hard I'd try. It's a fact, and at the age of 28 I do quite think I know myself well enough to know that it's not just something anyone can change.

And doesn't the bible anyways tell one must not lie? Isn't it also a form of lying to know that you're homosexual deep inside but try to pose as a heterosexual person, both to yourself and possible partners and outside society? Ergo, wouldn't it be against the bible, too? It's something that has always bothered me. Then again, bible has lots of things that get contradicted by the very same book they're in..

Wow, I have mod-points and was going to mod your comment, but I couldn't find a "+1 I love you, that was awesome!" moderation option. :-) I went one step farther than just signing the petition, I send the iTunes/App Store a rather long email telling them how disgusted and appalled I am at their decision. I also asked if they wished to be associated with the type of damage that Exodus International has caused in numerous people's lives. I hope they take the email seriously - regardless, I was looking for what response I get from them, since they promise a response to such support emails (and especially since they haven't made any other public statements about this).

Re:There really is an app for everything :P (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35545406)

The bible doesn't quite contradict itself in terms of its viewpoints on homosexuality. Other quite obvious contradictions aside, the bible quite plainly states that homosexuals must be put to death, as what they perpetrated upon the world is an abomination in the eyes of God.

Relevant: http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/70-year-old-stoned-to-death-because-the-bible-says-to-stone-gays/news/2011/03/18/18138/ [thenewcivi...vement.com]

As a disclaimer, I think the abomination lies in any "holy book" that calls for the murder of non-adherents...

Re:There really is an app for everything :P (0, Troll)

Kral_Blbec (1201285) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545460)

By that reasoning it is perfectly acceptable to be a pedophile, murderer, rapist, alcoholic, or any other sort of degenerate just because it is who you are deep inside. There is a difference between admitting attraction and acting on it, just as we expect the psychopath not to eat people even though he wants to.
And no, I'm not equating homosexuality with canabalism, just pointing out that everyone is born with certain tendencies or urges, that those tendencies are encouraged or repressed depending on many environmental and personal variables, and that certain tendencies should always be fought against, even if it is what you are "deep inside."
The "I can't help it" excuse is no more valid for homosexuality than for alcoholism. There are plenty of people for both issues who admit problems and consciously struggle against it.

Re:There really is an app for everything :P (1)

hldn (1085833) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545510)

fuck you.

Re:There really is an app for everything :P (0)

supersloshy (1273442) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545494)

And doesn't the bible anyways tell one must not lie? Isn't it also a form of lying to know that you're homosexual deep inside but try to pose as a heterosexual person, both to yourself and possible partners and outside society? Ergo, wouldn't it be against the bible, too? It's something that has always bothered me. Then again, bible has lots of things that get contradicted by the very same book they're in..

The Bible isn't meant to be the sole rule of faith. Also, you're taking that out of context. Yes it's wrong to lie, and yes it's wrong to lie about not being a homosexual. However, that doesn't make homosexuality okay. It perverts the entire point of there being a difference between man and woman in the first place (plus sticking a reproductive organ into a digestive tract is just disgusting for so many reasons).

Re:There really is an app for everything :P (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35545498)

How did/does homosexuality evolve?

Re:There really is an app for everything :P (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35545214)

Why not just show Justin Bieber's ass? He's not exactly got classic good looks, I hardly think anyone would go gay for him. I prefer masculine men, feminine women... or whatever.

Re:There really is an app for everything :P (3, Funny)

Undead Waffle (1447615) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545222)

I would expect a question and answer system.

Are you a:

  1. Man?
  2. Woman?

Tonight do you plan to:

  1. Have sex with a man?
  2. Have sex with a woman?
  3. Watch TBN?

If 1 & 1 or 2 & 2:

You do realize that if you do that you are going to hell, right?

If 1 & 2 or 2 & 1:

You make baby Jesus cry.

If 1 & 3 or 2 & 3:

Be sure to buy our merchandise!

Re:There really is an app for everything :P (4, Informative)

CharlyFoxtrot (1607527) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545252)

From the website [exodusinternational.org] it just seems like an app that shows the organization's events and explains their points of view. You may not like their points of view but it's pretty harmless. And given the rating it received it's highly unlikely it discusses sexuality at all.

Re:There really is an app for everything :P (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35545338)

If the on-iDevice microphone hears you mention Justin Bieber's ass it shows you a pair of tits?

Is there a difference?

Free speech (5, Insightful)

SheeEttin (899897) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545024)

How nice for them.
"I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

Re:Free speech (5, Insightful)

MoonBuggy (611105) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545066)

I would normally agree with you quite vehemently, but Apple has already taken it upon themselves to act as 'moral guide' by denying pornographic apps. In doing so, they are no longer defending all freedom of expression, and thus can't legitimately claim to be taking a stand for free speech in allowing this.

Re:Free speech (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545212)

I'm pretty sure that before the iOS App Store launched, Steve Jobs himself said that pornography would not be allowed. Apple guidelines have been less clear on other aspects but they have been clear on pornography. Their reasoning was that the store was supposed to cater to families. While it is possible for them to install all sorts of parental controls to prevent access to pornography for children, it is far easier not to have it in the first place. In this aspect, Steve Jobs openly endorsed Android [wired.com] if you want porn.

“You know, there’s a porn store for Android,” Jobs said. “You can download nothing but porn. You can download porn, your kids can download porn. That’s a place we don’t want to go, so we’re not going to go there.”

Re:Free speech (2)

matt_gaia (228110) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545328)

If that's his logic on the store (promoting a "family-friendly" culture), then how in the hell did this app make it on to the store? Something like this doesn't do a thing to promote family values to anyone but the fringe Westboro Baptist Church types. That being said, I also hope this is on the marketplace and filed in with the fart apps and rated as low as humanly possible.

Re:Free speech (1)

oliverthered (187439) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545376)

I'm a homosexual sadist and downloaded this app straight (no pun intended) away.

Fuck those poof NAZIS, fuck them till their ring bleeds... ooooohhhhh yeh boy... fuck em, fuck em gooooooood....

Tissue anyone?

Re:Free speech (2)

proverbialcow (177020) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545310)

Seconded. Rephrasing the OPs comment to this conclusion: "I may not agree with what Apple does, but I defend their right to do it, as long as they're consistent."

Re:Free speech (1)

Yaa 101 (664725) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545126)

Exodus International finance that lesbians get raped in Afrika, I give shit about their free speech to be honest.

Re:Free speech (5, Interesting)

tverbeek (457094) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545164)

I am gay, I consider Exodus International's activities deceptively cruel to the point of fraud, and I find the app itself offensive.

And I hope that Apple allows the app to remain in the App Store.

No one has a right to not be offended. If the principle of free speech means anything it means that offensive speech is also allowed and protected, or it's a hollow and hypocritical principle. Even so-called "hate speech" is still just "speech" that expresses a feeling of "hate". It should be allowed.

Just categorize the app accurately: put it with the fart apps.

Re:Free speech tsarkon reports (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35545314)

tsarkon reports..

We have to TOLERATE the militant homosexuals everywhere, but we do not have to LIKE THIS or ACCEPT THIS AS RIGHT, and WE have EVERY RIGHT to speak out against this perverse disease ridden abnormal unnatural offense to god and species. I hate the militant homosexual agenda and not only tolerate it but bear the brunt of watching the militant homosexuals at what, 2% of the population, work homosexuality into every sentence spoken. It is an assault on family and god by the communists and homosexuals. We see how twisted the homosexual mind can be, as National SOCIALISTS like Hitler and Ernst Rohm were homosexuals but they hypocritically persecuted them. Not only did they hate god and family, they hated themselves. This militant homosexuality and its agenda is an attempt by self hating self loathing sex pigs to try and main stream their mental disorder so as not to feel bad about the disgusting things they do.
Well I donÃ(TM)t want self-hating abnormal venereal diseased unnatural sex-pigs warping the minds of my children. And I will do everything in my power to wall off these sex-pigs and diseased militant homosexuals from my kids.
Genes are really nothing - its how the genes are expressed and epigenetics (tertiary strange conformation and expressibility of the gene site). There is no easy way to predict what the organism will be like based on base sequences alone.

And even if they try and map abnormal sexual behavior to a gene, then the "disease" of homosexuality is a genetic defect/genetic disorder.

But in reality, these AIDS ridden hepatitis ridden self hating homosexual pigs are choosing to be hedonistic and against nature, and they are desperately looking for both validation and an excuse for their mental disorder.

THE ONLY HATE here is for what the sex-pigs label "hetero-normative"

Normal is getting relabeled.

And Ernst Rohm was a homosexual, documented. There are quite a number of books documenting Nazi homosexuality in the upper echelons with impressive citations and bibliography, but you were brainwashed in an America hating god hating progressive school. Partially educated. Poorly. You think you know history, but you know only your PROGRAMMING. It is you that hates, you that hates normal, you that hates family.

And when all the progressives FAIL in debate, they ALWAYS pull the race/hate card. It is so pathetic. And predictable. Race/hate = failure in debate. Its a form of Ad hominem and its totally transparent, lame and shows total weakness and lack of any real conviction.

    If I was this father of a "gay" I would provide a bare minimum standard of living and release the pig into the wild at 18.

The militant homosexuals and the progressive left are creating this divisive issue to employ the two-side-of-the-street manipulation, they already have civil unions and simply want to change history and change the meaning of words to NEWSPEAK, the militant homosexuals and progressives have run the state of California into bankruptcy, into confiscatory taxes of 50% for most dual income families, and the militant homosexuals are trying to break down the institutions of GOD AND FAMILY and replace these institutions with THE STATE. The are also responsible for the total subversion of the enumerated Second Amendment. The militant homosexuals cant possibly love because they are self hating people. They are sad pathetic self hating people with a behavior disorder and are disparately seeking approval for their sick and perverted ways. They even try to relabel normal as heteronormative, yet they participate and highly abnormal sexual practices, hedonism, have an increased rate of improper sexual contact with minors and spread diseases like HIV and Hepatitis. The militant homosexuals hate themselves so much that they participate in BUG CHASING, see here in the liberal-progressive-communist magazine, RS ( They have taken down the article that was here http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/5933610/bug_chasers [rollingstone.com] , see more information here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugchasing [wikipedia.org] ). I say no more state marriage at this point, take these police state loving progressive militant homosexuals and take the issue off the table, no more state marriages. I do not need to prove to the STATE anything, my vows are before GOD.

The militant homosexual subgroup is a VAST minority, always under 10%, probably, if discounting lipstick-lesbians and other farcical homosexuals, in the 2-3% range where gender identity is a real issue, a deep mental disorder and not a modern lifestyle choice. They are disease ridden, predatory towards children, obsessed with sex, self hating and they are obsoletely focused on identity politics to help destroy the FAMILY and GOD, and would like to replace these institutions with a rubber-stamping STATE that lets them know the sick mental disorder they suffer from and afflict others with is NORMAL. It is NOT NORMAL.

Gays are the worst at civil rights. They think THEY have rights, yet, rights are are granted by the creator equally to all, the enumerated further equally to all then equal protection of laws, 14th. They firmly believe that some are more equal than others. They want to redefine normal, redefine marriage and teach this as normal in schools. They also strive for equality by redefining words, a typical statistauthoritarian propaganda tactic that culminates in NEWSPEAK.

Most people don't care what people do in terms of sexuality. Most everyone I know has had it up to here with the constant push to destroy the family in America and force the acceptance of abnormalfringesickperverted behaviors as normal.

    Harvey Milk statutory raped underage boys. Barney Frank did it too. And Barney Frank gay-sexed a Fannie executive Herb Moses while Frank orchestrated the disastrous lending standards leading to the housing collapse. And now sex pig statutory rapist Sam Adams (the real Samuel Adams would be SICKENED by this man) is shaking up the police department finding more rape friendly law enforcement? That could be it. Remind yourselves that the NAZIs were extreme LEFT wing, national socialist German workers party, and most of the the NAZI leaders were homosexuals, from Ernst Rohm right down to Hitler. America, land of the sex pig and prison to the formerly free.

I bid you farewell you bug chasing faggot HIV AIDS sex pig pedophile.

tsarkonreports

Re:Free speech (-1, Troll)

Kral_Blbec (1201285) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545518)

No one has a right to not be offended. If the principle of free speech means anything it means that offensive speech is also allowed and protected, or it's a hollow and hypocritical principle. Even so-called "hate speech" is still just "speech" that expresses a feeling of "hate". It should be allowed.

That is a rare viewpoint in the liberal ideology.

Re:Free speech (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35545532)

Agreed. This is the same company that donated $100,000 in the 2008 California election to defeat Prop 8 and defend the rights of homosexuals to marry in the state, so I doubt it was anything about anti-homosexuality.

I'm also a gay man and can't see this app being removed. The last thing I want to be is part of the crowd that does things like remove references in textbooks to the US being a democracy like Utah. Removing access to opposing views is never the best way to remove ignorance.

Re:Free speech (1)

R3d M3rcury (871886) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545324)

Well, yes and no.

From a "Free Speech" angle, I agree. While Apple certainly has the "right" to not accept anything they feel may damage their image--it's their store, after all--because they are the only store, they have an "obligation" to not judge based on content. For example, banning porn apps is bad (especially when they have a rating system already in place to keep them away from those who perhaps shouldn't be viewing such material).

Where I disagree has not so much to do with the content of the App, but the fact that it's an App at all.

When Apple first released the iPhone, the mantra was that people could make websites customized for the iPhone. Developers complained that without Flash, they were limited to what they could do. They couldn't take advantage of the various sensors available in the iPhone, etc. So Apple came out with a way for developers to write real applications. So now everybody does an App--even if all the App does is display web pages. This is where the App Store ends up getting polluted.

In my opinion, if the App doesn't do anything worthwhile that can't be done on a webpage, I'd say don't accept it. I rashly assume that this App fits the bill.

Re:Free speech (1)

CharlyFoxtrot (1607527) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545452)

So now everybody does an App--even if all the App does is display web pages. This is where the App Store ends up getting polluted.

In my opinion, if the App doesn't do anything worthwhile that can't be done on a webpage, I'd say don't accept it. I rashly assume that this App fits the bill.

I agree. I've downloaded this app to see if maybe I can inject some fact based opinion in the conversation here (I must be new here, right) and it does seem to be just a front-end that downloads pages straight from their website (created with a lame automatic app-creation tool [methodapps.com] . No added value at all. I'd ban it for that, not for the content even though I completely disagree with it.

Jobs is dying (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35545034)

Gods > gays these days.

Re:Jobs is dying (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35545162)

In the beginning there was nothing, and then there was god who mysteriously appeared out of nowhere. Then he created the universe and humans in his image but he hates the gays. So help you if you're gay.... Christianity, making sense since day 1.

Trojan Horse? (1, Insightful)

oliverthered (187439) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545040)

Well if it cures you of being Gay.. I don't think Apple will have many ....blank.....s left in the marketplace.

Oh come on. (0)

0m3gaMan (745008) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545044)

It's so absurd it's hilarious. Anyone who takes that app seriously -- and not good natured fun -- has a major problem.

Re:Oh come on. (2)

Miseph (979059) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545118)

I assume that you include the app's authors and publisher in this, yes? They take it quite seriously.

Re:Oh come on. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35545128)

So... an app designed to turn black people white and de-black-ify their speech and appearance would just be good natured fun too? Just curious.

Homosexuality is not a choice and is not a disease. It can no more be 'cured' than heterosexuality, or race, or eye color (you can put in colored contacts -- just like you can go into the closet -- but it doesn't change the underlying reality of your eye color -- or sexuality).

The app is ignorant and bigoted and offensive, as well as pushing an agenda based on hatered and lies. That honestly sounds like 'good natured fun' to you? Really?

I agree with you that the app is absurd. But I don't find it particularly hilarious, especially knowing the number of people damaged and even driven to suicide by anti-gay "ex-gay" programs. There's a real human cost here, and I just can't laugh at that.

Re:Oh come on. tsarkon reports (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35545236)

tsarkon reports ...

We have to TOLERATE the militant homosexuals everywhere, but we do not have to LIKE THIS or ACCEPT THIS AS RIGHT, and WE have EVERY RIGHT to speak out against this perverse disease ridden abnormal unnatural offense to god and species. I hate the militant homosexual agenda and not only tolerate it but bear the brunt of watching the militant homosexuals at what, 2% of the population, work homosexuality into every sentence spoken. It is an assault on family and god by the communists and homosexuals. We see how twisted the homosexual mind can be, as National SOCIALISTS like Hitler and Ernst Rohm were homosexuals but they hypocritically persecuted them. Not only did they hate god and family, they hated themselves. This militant homosexuality and its agenda is an attempt by self hating self loathing sex pigs to try and main stream their mental disorder so as not to feel bad about the disgusting things they do.
Well I donâ(TM)t want self-hating abnormal venereal diseased unnatural sex-pigs warping the minds of my children. And I will do everything in my power to wall off these sex-pigs and diseased militant homosexuals from my kids.
Genes are really nothing - its how the genes are expressed and epigenetics (tertiary strange conformation and expressibility of the gene site). There is no easy way to predict what the organism will be like based on base sequences alone.

And even if they try and map abnormal sexual behavior to a gene, then the "disease" of homosexuality is a genetic defect/genetic disorder.

But in reality, these AIDS ridden hepatitis ridden self hating homosexual pigs are choosing to be hedonistic and against nature, and they are desperately looking for both validation and an excuse for their mental disorder.

THE ONLY HATE here is for what the sex-pigs label "hetero-normative"

Normal is getting relabeled.

And Ernst Rohm was a homosexual, documented. There are quite a number of books documenting Nazi homosexuality in the upper echelons with impressive citations and bibliography, but you were brainwashed in an America hating god hating progressive school. Partially educated. Poorly. You think you know history, but you know only your PROGRAMMING. It is you that hates, you that hates normal, you that hates family.

And when all the progressives FAIL in debate, they ALWAYS pull the race/hate card. It is so pathetic. And predictable. Race/hate = failure in debate. Its a form of Ad hominem and its totally transparent, lame and shows total weakness and lack of any real conviction.

  If I was this father of a "gay" I would provide a bare minimum standard of living and release the pig into the wild at 18.

The militant homosexuals and the progressive left are creating this divisive issue to employ the two-side-of-the-street manipulation, they already have civil unions and simply want to change history and change the meaning of words to NEWSPEAK, the militant homosexuals and progressives have run the state of California into bankruptcy, into confiscatory taxes of 50% for most dual income families, and the militant homosexuals are trying to break down the institutions of GOD AND FAMILY and replace these institutions with THE STATE. The are also responsible for the total subversion of the enumerated Second Amendment. The militant homosexuals cant possibly love because they are self hating people. They are sad pathetic self hating people with a behavior disorder and are disparately seeking approval for their sick and perverted ways. They even try to relabel normal as heteronormative, yet they participate and highly abnormal sexual practices, hedonism, have an increased rate of improper sexual contact with minors and spread diseases like HIV and Hepatitis. The militant homosexuals hate themselves so much that they participate in BUG CHASING, see here in the liberal-progressive-communist magazine, RS ( They have taken down the article that was here http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/5933610/bug_chasers [rollingstone.com] , see more information here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugchasing [wikipedia.org] ). I say no more state marriage at this point, take these police state loving progressive militant homosexuals and take the issue off the table, no more state marriages. I do not need to prove to the STATE anything, my vows are before GOD.

The militant homosexual subgroup is a VAST minority, always under 10%, probably, if discounting lipstick-lesbians and other farcical homosexuals, in the 2-3% range where gender identity is a real issue, a deep mental disorder and not a modern lifestyle choice. They are disease ridden, predatory towards children, obsessed with sex, self hating and they are obsoletely focused on identity politics to help destroy the FAMILY and GOD, and would like to replace these institutions with a rubber-stamping STATE that lets them know the sick mental disorder they suffer from and afflict others with is NORMAL. It is NOT NORMAL.

Gays are the worst at civil rights. They think THEY have rights, yet, rights are are granted by the creator equally to all, the enumerated further equally to all then equal protection of laws, 14th. They firmly believe that some are more equal than others. They want to redefine normal, redefine marriage and teach this as normal in schools. They also strive for equality by redefining words, a typical statistauthoritarian propaganda tactic that culminates in NEWSPEAK.

Most people don't care what people do in terms of sexuality. Most everyone I know has had it up to here with the constant push to destroy the family in America and force the acceptance of abnormalfringesickperverted behaviors as normal.

  Harvey Milk statutory raped underage boys. Barney Frank did it too. And Barney Frank gay-sexed a Fannie executive Herb Moses while Frank orchestrated the disastrous lending standards leading to the housing collapse. And now sex pig statutory rapist Sam Adams (the real Samuel Adams would be SICKENED by this man) is shaking up the police department finding more rape friendly law enforcement? That could be it. Remind yourselves that the NAZIs were extreme LEFT wing, national socialist German workers party, and most of the the NAZI leaders were homosexuals, from Ernst Rohm right down to Hitler. America, land of the sex pig and prison to the formerly free.

tsarkonreports

Re:Oh come on. tsarkon reports (1)

St.Creed (853824) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545468)

I think you forgot to take your pills today. Seriously.

Re:Oh come on. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35545334)

Homosexuality is not a choice and is not a disease.

course it is. you either stick your dick up some guys arse or you don't.

Re:Oh come on. (1)

mewshi_nya (1394329) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545504)

Homosexuality extends far beyond "stick[ing] your dick up some guys (sic) arse". It is being attracted to people of the same sex -- attraction to people is something that cannot be controlled. I don't choose who I'm attracted to, neither do homosexuals. The only thing homosexuals have any control over is whether or not they engage in sexual activity -- and frankly, if they are attracted to someone else, and that person is attracted to them, what exactly is the problem with them engaging in anything?

That's funny, I know some ex-homosexuals (0)

Quila (201335) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545344)

I don't know any ex-blacks.

I'm not religious, I have no "God says its bad" angle. I don't care about homosexuality, do whatever you want as long as its consensual.

But to put a lifestyle choice on par with what blacks endured in this country is pretty sickening.

Yes, lifestyle choice. That is how gays can be "cured" by this group, they indoctrinate you into their religion and make you believe your harmless lifestyle choice is evil. So instead of being a happy homosexual, you're now a repressed Christ-zombie.

Re:That's funny, I know some ex-homosexuals (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35545436)

What's quite sickening actually is that people still think that being gay is a lifetyle choice. Or would you say that being heterosexual is also a lifestyle choice? Lifestyle is pretty much orthogonal to sexuality or gender or race or pretty much any biological givens.

Re:Oh come on. (3, Insightful)

Brian_Ellenberger (308720) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545370)

The app is ignorant and bigoted and offensive, as well as pushing an agenda based on hatered and lies. That honestly sounds like 'good natured fun' to you? Really? I agree with you that the app is absurd. But I don't find it particularly hilarious, especially knowing the number of people damaged and even driven to suicide by anti-gay "ex-gay" programs. There's a real human cost here, and I just can't laugh at that.

Then don't download the app. Neither you nor anyone else has the right to decide what speech is damaging. The human cost for the suppression of free speech is far far greater than anything this app could possible do.

If this country oppressed free speech, then slavery may not have ended, Jim Crow may not have been defeated, and homosexuality may still have remained in the DSM as a mental disorder. At the time, speech proposing the end of any of those items was considered ignorant, offensive, and pushing an agenda based on lies.

Moralities change in this country, and what is considered offensive, dangerous, and disgusting evolve and change. But through it all, we retain the right to speech and that is--more than anything else--what allows us to evolve as a society. It is the thin layer separating us as a free society from an oppressed one where some self-imposed leader decides what is right and what is wrong.

Re:Oh come on. (1)

MoonBuggy (611105) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545478)

In general, I absolutely agree. In this specific case, Apple have already been censoring content they consider objectionable, and to turn around and cry 'free speech' now would be a blatant double standard.

Re:Oh come on. (1)

Kohath (38547) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545392)

What is wrong with someone learning a new way of speaking and dressing? Would you deny these lessons to everyone, or just black folks?

Re:Oh come on. (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35545420)

There are genetic predispositions for violence, alcoholism and all sorts of destructive behavior. Just because someone is genetically predisposed to act a certain way doesn't automatically make that behavior "normal" and ok. Religions have been in the business of persuading (or coercing) people to regulate their behavior for thousands of years, for better or for worse. I don't have enough information to judge this app in particular, but as a general rule it's certainly the right of religious institutions (or other well-meaning institutions in general) to help those who desire to take control over their impulses. You wouldn't call a dieting app bigoted because it suggests that there's something "wrong" with fat people (many times obesity is just a genetic condition, right?)

Re:Oh come on. (0)

supersloshy (1273442) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545450)

[citation needed for your entire post]

There is no "gay gene", JSYK. Homosexuality isn't decided like your hair color or eye color and that's scientifically absurd to state [wikimedia.org] .

And there's the problem with a "curated" appstore. (5, Insightful)

jpmorgan (517966) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545054)

Apple accepts this app and they're attacked for being anti-gay, supporting homophobia, etc... If Apple rejects this app, they'll be attacked for infringing on free speech, supporting a particular political agenda, etc... Either way, you're pissing customers off.

But all I feel is schadenfreude. They got themselves into this mess by imposing editorial control over the iPhone in the first place. They made their bed, now they get to lie in it.

Re:And there's the problem with a "curated" appsto (1, Insightful)

click2005 (921437) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545154)

The religious bigotry industry is much much bigger than the pro-gay or porn industry.

Re:And there's the problem with a "curated" appsto (2)

MoonBuggy (611105) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545216)

In the general population, depressing as it is, you are probably correct. Purchasers of trendy, high-end electronics, however, tend to skew towards the younger, richer, urban dwelling segment - even from a straightforward business perspective, this could quite easily go badly for Apple.

Re:And there's the problem with a "curated" appsto (2)

Anthony Mouse (1927662) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545422)

In the general population, depressing as it is, you are probably correct. Purchasers of trendy, high-end electronics, however, tend to skew towards the younger, richer, urban dwelling segment - even from a straightforward business perspective, this could quite easily go badly for Apple.

The real kicker is this -- Apple regularly rejects politically-sensitive apps, including a bunch of anti-Bush apps that people made during the last years of his presidency. One of the authors emailed The Steve about it. Jobs responded [juggleware.com] :

Even though my personal political leanings are democratic, I think this app will be offensive to roughly half our customers. What’s the point?
        Steve

Re:And there's the problem with a "curated" appsto (1)

gmhowell (26755) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545242)

Bigger than porn? What are you smoking?

Re:And there's the problem with a "curated" appsto (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35545178)

Perhaps some one can make a "straight cure" app?

Re:And there's the problem with a "curated" appsto (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35545208)

This is why Apple should never have gone control freak and just let everyone market their app. Let the users rate them, there is no reason for apple to approve each app. They can always promote the app that provide the 'best apple experience'. I think they got in the shit they deserve. Fuck 'em!

Re:And there's the problem with a "curated" appsto (2)

parallel_prankster (1455313) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545262)

Your last line really says it all about Apple, that is all the point in this whole post. Apple tried to act like God, now they have to deal with God-sized issues.

Re:And there's the problem with a "curated" appsto (1)

j h woodyatt (13108) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545484)

> ...If Apple rejects this app, they'll be attacked for infringing on free speech, supporting a particular political agenda...

Apple did that when they decided not to accept sexually explicit material.

Censor or not? (1)

Kohath (38547) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545060)

It will be interesting to read how many people want this app censored. I'm guessing someone will even try to argue it was wrong to censor the Mark Fiore app but that Apple should censor this one.

Re:Censor or not? (5, Insightful)

MoonBuggy (611105) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545148)

It was wrong to censor the Mark Fiore app, it is wrong to deny porn apps, but since that's the path Apple have chosen to take, I'd also expect them to censor an app which implies someone's sexuality is a thing which can or should be 'cured'.

Apple should be supporting free speech, and if that were the case I would say that while I find the opinions of the app developer extremely unpleasant, I support their right to speak. But Apple aren't supporting free speech in general - if the conservative groups get censorship of content they find offensive, then the gay right groups damn well deserve the same treatment. By far the preferable option is to defend that which I despise just as strongly as that which I support, but the horse already bolted there.

Re:Censor or not? (3, Insightful)

Kohath (38547) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545230)

I'd also expect them to censor an app which implies someone's sexuality is a thing which can or should be 'cured'.

Why? What if a guy wants to change? Shouldn't he be free to try? Or should other people decide "The Right Choice" for him?

And maybe he can't be "cured", but maybe he can have a life that is closer to his preference. You'd deny him the opportunity to try?

Re:Censor or not? (2, Insightful)

MoonBuggy (611105) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545412)

The very concept flies in the face of generally accepted science - consider the backlash you would (rightly) get if we were talking about race rather than sexuality, for example. That said, I support people's right to do and say whatever the hell they like, however stupid and potentially psychologically harmful, as long as it doesn't directly infringe on the rights and freedoms of others, but Apple are the ones who declared themselves moral arbiters here, and that changes this situation drastically.

By rejecting apps they consider objectionable, they tacitly provide some level of endorsement to apps which are accepted; the have lost the right to claim that they disagree with anything that is said, because they have already taken steps to censor apps they disagree with, thus it is reasonable to deduce that if it is not censored, they do not disagree with it. By allowing this app into their curated "family friendly" store, they are declaring that the concept of homosexuality as a 'disease to be cured' is acceptable to them.

Re:Censor or not? (1)

mewshi_nya (1394329) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545524)

I know several gay men, and I've discussed this issue at length with them. It isn't their preference to live a "heterosexual life". It's that that is what society expects of them, therefore that is what they strive for.

Re:Censor or not? (1)

bigstrat2003 (1058574) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545490)

I see it differently. It was wrong to censor the Mark Fiore app, it is wrong to deny porn apps... but that doesn't mean we shouldn't encourage Apple to do the right thing and not censor this. I don't imagine that will happen, because it would make them look like giant hypocrites. But I still hope they exercise some respect for free speech, and let this be.

Re:Censor or not? (1)

gmhowell (26755) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545248)

That's no shock at all. Someone who thinks that you can 'pray away the gay' is almost certainly someone who doesn't appreciate the observations of Mark Fiore.

Misleading (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35545090)

The rating gets set based on what checkboxes the developer chose to tick while submitting the app.
It doesn't mean that Apple thinks it is rating 4, it means the developers do.

Re:Misleading (2)

Chaos Incarnate (772793) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545278)

But Apple can deny it if they don't agree with the given rating.

Streisand Effect in 3, 2, 1... (1)

Anubis IV (1279820) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545092)

Seriously. How many more downloads will be generated for it based on this press?

Re:Streisand Effect in 3, 2, 1... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35545232)

Seriously. Stop repeating every phrase you read somewhere on the internets and try to understand what the Sreisand Effect was.

All this app does is display the text: (5, Funny)

dicobalt (1536225) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545094)

"Stop using Apple products."

'Religion Cure' app? (2)

bodski (1109235) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545110)

Anyone have a 'Religiousness Cure' app handy that can help people become atheist? Would be fun to watch the reactions when Apple approve that one...

Re:'Religion Cure' app? (2)

Brian_Ellenberger (308720) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545196)

Anyone have a 'Religiousness Cure' app handy that can help people become atheist? Would be fun to watch the reactions when Apple approve that one...

Apple has approved a number of atheist apps, including one using the mildly derogatory term "BibleThumper": http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/03/technology/03atheist.html [nytimes.com]

Re:'Religion Cure' app? (4, Funny)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545284)

Anyone have a 'Religiousness Cure' app handy that can help people become atheist? Would be fun to watch the reactions when Apple approve that one...

If reading the Bible doesn't turn people into atheists, no app is going to do it.

Re:'Religion Cure' app? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35545462)

Reading the bible is highly encouraged by churches because it tends to turn people into believers. It's amazing how well it works.

Fred Phelps (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35545114)

Looking to stop being a dysfunctional homosexual? There's an app for that!

If only we had a God hates fags app.

The beginning of the end? (3, Interesting)

Spykk (823586) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545152)

It took awhile, but Apple is finally going to have to face the consequences for putting themselves in a position to choose what is and is not allowed to run on their devices. Next up expect a lawsuit because someone used an app that Apple approved for copyright infringement and then the snowball will really start to move.

Re:The beginning of the end? (3, Insightful)

Duradin (1261418) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545250)

Isn't deciding what to sell (and what not to sell) something that every retailer does on a daily basis?

Should every store that does not sell everything be expecting a law suit?

Re:The beginning of the end? (1)

Spykk (823586) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545440)

Apple's app store cannot be compared to a retailer. If Walmart chooses not to carry something I can still buy it elsewhere. If Apple chooses not to allow something on the App store then you cannot install it on an unmodified IOS device. If there was a way to download this app directly from the developer and install it on your device then this would be a non-issue.

Re:The beginning of the end? (2, Informative)

CharlyFoxtrot (1607527) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545330)

OR you could read RTFA and find out this has happened before :

"However, when faced with a similar issue last November, after an app was created around the Manhattan Declaration which is hostile to gay marriage, Apple came down on the side of gay rights and removed the app."

OR you could have a look at the website [exodusinternational.org] and see that the app looks like pretty much just an app-version of their website, with a calendar and twitter feed and so on ... real scary stuff (!)

Nah, let's just all stay ill-informed proceed with the hysterics.

lol (3, Insightful)

Skuld-Chan (302449) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545158)

It's funny to read the same people decry Apples appstore censorship appeal to Steve Jobs to remove the app on the basis.

Free Speech hurts doesn't it?

Re:lol (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35545186)

Except it's not free speech when you censor one thing and then approve another. I don't like Apple's censorship of pornography and the like. If the platform were totally open I'd say well, nothing we can do about this but give it low ratings and ignore it. But since they censor everything else, they should censor this too. It's far more offensive than seeing some tits on your iPhone.

Re:lol (1)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545296)

It's funny to read the same people decry Apples appstore censorship appeal to Steve Jobs to remove the app on the basis.

Free Speech hurts doesn't it?

Not as much as selective free speech.

Q: What's the hardest part of using an iPhone? (0)

fivevoltforest (2012744) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545202)

A: Coming out to your parents.

Is there a Bigotry Cure app? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35545204)

It's funny how they accept this homophobic crap and not pornographic applications.

No one objected to Spaghetti Day (1)

ZipK (1051658) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545206)

How come no one was on here decrying the blatant religiosity of Spaghetti Day [apple.com] ? You don't even have to squint to see the FSM in the imagery, and I won't even mention the all-cat cast.

screw em (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35545340)

no one is forcing anyone to buy the app, if it don't sell it'll disappear..

Biological basis for Teh Gay? (1)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545360)

What's the latest word on the possible biological basis for homosexuality? I remember reading 10+ years ago about the discovery of physiological differences between the brains of Gay and Straight men, but I haven't followed the story.

Re:Biological basis for Teh Gay? (1)

mewshi_nya (1394329) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545398)

The brain cells of lesbians are similar to those of straight men; the cells of gay men are similar to those of women.

you can be sure of one thing though (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35545408)

that App will look FABULOUS with your chiffon iPhone cover

Now I'm no homophobe... (1, Troll)

supersloshy (1273442) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545418)

...But I think this app deserves to stay. Why? Because homosexuality is nothing more than a preference, a preference that some people clearly don't like. You can't force people to not download the app because you disagree with it's position. That's the whole point of free speech. IF the people who approve of homosexuality don't like the app, just don't download it! It's that simple! You can't force people to subscribe to your view of the world by making them approve of homosexuality, and likewise you can't prevent people from disagreeing.

In a completely unrelated point, I find homosexuality disgusting for various reasons; plus, I'm a Catholic and have religious beliefs about sexuality. That has nothing to do with my opinion of the application though (I don't plan on downloading it), so please don't respond criticizing my beliefs and preferences.

Re:Now I'm no homophobe... (1)

egranlund (1827406) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545540)

I personally think we need an app to cure heterosexual people.
I find their preference to be straight disgusting.

unproven medical treatment (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35545470)

The problem with this app is not that it attempts to turn homosexuals into heterosexuals; if it could actually do that, great.

The problem is that Exodus makes unproven, misleading, and at times patently false medical claims. If Apple accepts this, they should accept any unlicensed, unproven medical treatment into the app store.

what a laff (1)

pbjones (315127) | more than 3 years ago | (#35545502)

Apple has historically faced anti-religion, pro-gay accusations in the past, selling the Apple I for $666.66 and the (gay) rainbow colours of the Apple Logo, and for using an apple (a traditional sign of temptation) and now that it passes an pro-hetro app for iTunes together with other soft porn apps, the tables seem to have turned. Ok, so now the gay lobby will want the Bible removed from ITunes too? The Bible says that gay behaviour is disgusting, along with a number of other things relating to heterosexuality, and not to forget, lying, cheating and stealing.

Should be installed by default! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35545530)

Should be installed by default on all apple devices!

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