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Duke Nukem Forever Multiplayer Mode Predictably Controversial

Soulskill posted more than 3 years ago | from the what-do-you-do-when-your-dishwasher-stops-working dept.

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Gearbox Software has released some information about the multiplayer modes for Duke Nukem Forever, which is due out May 3rd (for real this time). In addition to standard deathmatch (called Dukematch), team deathmatch and a king-of-the-hill mode, there is "Capture the Babe," in which a typical CTF flag is replaced by a woman. Eurogamer explains it thus: "... when you grab the other team's babe, she sometimes 'freaks out.' The solution? Give her a gentle smack." Gearbox's Randy Pitchford, clearly understanding how politically incorrect this sounds, said, "You can get some things across in screenshots but not really. So we're kinda struggling with how we expose it so people understand what's there. The proof is in the pudding so to speak, so I don't want to talk about it too much."

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Oh Duke... (5, Funny)

Shikaku (1129753) | more than 3 years ago | (#35568826)

When will you ever stop being awesome?

Re:Oh Duke... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35568908)

BLOW IT OUT YOUR ASS

Re:Oh Duke... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35568948)

I'm going to rip off your head and shit down your throat.

Re:Oh Duke... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35569180)

Neck, buddy... Neck!

Re:Oh Duke... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35570728)

The only time it's ever acceptable to "hit" a woman is when you're "hitting" that pussy every which way. There ought to be a combo move that kicks off a 30-minute scene where Duke gives her a good dicking to calm her down.

Ok, great... (0)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 3 years ago | (#35568834)

Can we hear about Borderlands 2 yet?

Re:Ok, great... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35568932)

No

Re:Ok, great... (3, Insightful)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 3 years ago | (#35568940)

Why would anyone want a sequel to that?

Because it's fun? (1)

interactive_civilian (205158) | more than 3 years ago | (#35570244)

Borderlands was flawed (lame level scaling, inactive NPCs, weak story, etc) but it was fun as hell. I'd love to see a Borderlands 2 fixing those flaws but keeping the cool design and graphics, the quirky humor, the bazillion guns, and so on.

Like any game, it's not for everyone. But, Borderlands was awesome and you suck for not thinking so. :p ;)

Cannot believe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35568848)

I can't believe no games have done babe capturing. I didn't care about DnF before, but after reading that summary it sounds like an instant classic.

Re:Cannot believe (1)

MikeDaSpike (1196169) | more than 3 years ago | (#35568978)

Postal 2, I believe it was called "Capture the Snitch" or something like that,

Re:Cannot believe (3, Funny)

Corbets (169101) | more than 3 years ago | (#35569022)

Postal 2, I believe it was called "Capture the Snitch" or something like that,

Really? Cuz "Capture the Snatch" sounds a lot more interesting.

Re:Cannot believe (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35569832)

I can't believe no games have done babe capturing. I didn't care about DnF before, but after reading that summary it sounds like an instant classic.

For the N64, there was a post-apocalyptic tank game. Each of the clans/tribes/groups were led by a woman because they were so rare. One of the types of multiplayer match types was to abduct her and take her back to your own clan/tribe/group. DNF is not the first technically, but she was effectively a flag, and not the lattice type.

BattleTanks! (2)

kcbnac (854015) | more than 3 years ago | (#35570138)

BattleTanks is the game/series you're thinking of. (They did at least 2, I played the 2nd one long ago when the console was still current, found a copy of the first one later when I bought an N64 on a nostalgia kick)

Fat Princess (2)

_merlin (160982) | more than 3 years ago | (#35569950)

Downloadable capture-the-babe game for PS3. If you haven't played Fat Princess, you're missing out.

Well they could take that out... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35568862)

Or how bout they just stop wasting their lives on such a cliche project?

Re:Well they could take that out... (2)

Shikaku (1129753) | more than 3 years ago | (#35568890)

The game is already done. All that needs to be done now is getting it "Gold," which means printed, discs pressed, etc.

So to answer your question, yes, they will stop wasting their lives on such a cliche project.

Re:Well they could take that out... (5, Interesting)

epyT-R (613989) | more than 3 years ago | (#35569192)

if you're gonna complain about cliches, at least focus on the present. duke is the exception, not the norm these days. what's wrong with a bit of male-archetype cliche? there's tons of 'girl power' moments in the media, making them a cliche stereotype in their own right. hell there are whole shows devoted to showing women in power, running everything, while the males are either kiss-up-captain-save-a-hos, criminals, or, some kind of sex abusers. oh right, I forgot, according to the feminist, male assertion of any kind = 'misogyny', but when females do it to males, it's 'empowerment.' I'm wonderin if the relatively recent intolerance towards the duke character has more to do with increasing gynocentricity and less to do with the drama surrounding the game's development. I say this because in the last few years I've noticed a lot of 'male chauvinist' critiques as a reason to diss the game. sure, they've always been there, even back in the 90s, but today, it seems like the most common complaint. Everyone knows there are far more pertinent attributes that can make a game suck.

The duke aint' PC.. that's what makes him cool. characters like this are the vaccine to the real-damage that the PC-shielding of ideology can do to society. it prevents critique of any kind out of "respect for others' feelings." I'm sure I"ll be modded down into oblivion for even suggesting this. oh well.

Re:Well they could take that out... (1)

lennier1 (264730) | more than 3 years ago | (#35569664)

Hell, half the fun of Duke Nukem is that it's making fun of so many non-PC cliches it's always one step short of achieving critical mass.

Re:Well they could take that out... (1, Insightful)

dave420 (699308) | more than 3 years ago | (#35570572)

If women had the same status in society - the same pay, same chances of being attacked, the same future prospects, and the same level of domestic abuse that men have - you'd have a point. As it currently stands, it's far worse (in the terms stated above) to be a woman than a man, so it's not really unexpected for people to cry foul when someone does something that seems to suggest that imbalance is somehow acceptable. Pushed to more extreme positions, your argument carries the same logical weight that arguing for the Klan was fine during the civil rights movement would. "Hey! Black folks are all uppity about something, so why not white folks!"

I personally don't have a problem with Duke Nukem, but I'm not so arrogant as to wonder why other people do have a problem with it. Political correctness is not designed to protect people's feelings, but to stem the flow of people being inaccurate about other people, which admittedly is the source of a lot of bad feelings, but the correction of that is merely the result of the rational thinking introduced by being politically correct, and not the main aim. Don't think of it as "political correctness", but simply "correctness" or "accuracy in viewing other people".

Sorry if I sound like a jerk.

Intellectual sources (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35568896)

The new Duke Nukem should come with endorsements for http://roissy.wordpress.com, http://alphagameplan.blogspot.com, and http://www.takeninhand.com

Re:Intellectual sources (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35570236)

Gah, blogs for insecure men who think you can learn to be alpha. Saddest thing on the Internet.

Re:Intellectual sources (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35570596)

You can't become alpha, but you can fake it. Duke Nukem is the only alpha male left, and he's not even real.

Multiplayer mode (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35568914)

The capture the bimbo three way promises to be a popular mode.

Capture the Babe... (2)

Phoobarnvaz (1030274) | more than 3 years ago | (#35568954)

"... when you grab the other team's babe, she sometimes 'freaks out.' The solution? Give her a gentle smack."

Reminds me of a quote from Sean Connery from his James Bond days..."Sometimes...you just have to hit a woman."

Personally...I think you should have to find a roll of duct tape to be able to take with you. That way...when you get her...you can duct tape her hands/feet together and put a strip across her mouth. Takes care of her fighting and keeps her quiet. What more can a man ask for...a submissive woman who can't gripe at you.;)

Wait, What? (1)

Greyfox (87712) | more than 3 years ago | (#35568964)

There's just all sorts of "Wait, What" in this story...

Re:Wait, What? (5, Funny)

dgatwood (11270) | more than 3 years ago | (#35569046)

Yeah, I mean misogyny in a Duke Nukem game, I can believe, but do you really expect me to believe that DNF is going to ship!?!

What, no co-op? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35568968)

One of the best parts of Duke3d (along with many other classic FPSes) was the cooperative play mode. Leaving it out is bullshit; some people actually like to play these games with friends instead of against them.

wrong (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35568972)

Violence against women, great job. Been waiting years for this one Duke.

Re:wrong (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35569394)

All violence is wrong. Not all men are tough like Duke, some are quite the opposite and aren't aggressive at all.

Your comment bothers me. Most people agree that violence against women is wrong. Those who don't will never change their mind.
But few people are even aware that thousands of men every day are abused by women. Lots of men are also bullied by other men, it happens in high schools, at work, in bars, at home... Games like Duke Nukem are 90% made of violence against males, reinforcing the stereotype that men are tough and aggressive and don't mind fighting whether they beat someone up or get beaten up.
If you think violence is wrong, fine. If you want to complain about it, fine. But please be fair and complain about the violence that most deserves complaints. And please treat men and women equally.
Also, I think it's misleading to say Duke is disrespectful of women. The girls in those games are whores who enjoy being treated like sex objects, not average, decent, self-respecting women.
Funny how women seem to enjoy a special, superior and privileged status in some people's minds. Funny how those who are so eager to defend women seem to judge them not on who they are as people but on who they are in terms of gender. In my opinion THAT is sexist.

Anyway, I think you should know nobody takes Duke seriously. Everyone knows he's a macho stereotype. People find Duke Nukem funny because they know what he does violates many social rules.

Re:wrong (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35569530)

There's a big difference between videogame violence in the form of combat against aggressors who will kill you otherwise, and videogame violence in the form of smacking a woman that is owned by the opposing team and you're trying to essentially kidnap.

So no, we can't treat men and women equally here, because they're not being represented equally. Men are the powerful, combative, playable entity, struggling for control over the arena, showing all the intelligence of whoever's holding the controller. Women are an item to be hoarded and, if necessary, beaten into submission. You really don't see the difference?

Re:wrong (1)

Hazel Bergeron (2015538) | more than 3 years ago | (#35569952)

Women are an item to be hoarded and, if necessary, beaten into submission.

Soldiers are an item to be hoarded and, if necessary, beaten into submission.

Of course, the first thing you must do to wage war is to dehumanise the enemy soldier in the eyes of your own soldiers. Then you make up for it by treating enemy non-combatants, cooperative or otherwise, with some faux reverence. It's been a thoroughly successful manipulation.

Re:wrong (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35569426)

Uhh, it's a video game dude. Grow up.

The Duke ain't PC (4, Insightful)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 3 years ago | (#35568982)

He's not politically correct. He's in fact not correct at all.

Dammit, it's a friggin' GAME! OK? It's a GAME! Treat it as such. We're talking about a steroid-pumped, bubblegum-chewing, over-the-top cliché pseudo-hero. I wouldn't say it's suitable for 10 year olds (or other people of similar feeble intellect that could take a computer game serious like, say, certain politicians or a certain ex-lawyer we all love so much), but why should you have to apologize as a computer game company for making a corny game?

Re:The Duke ain't PC (4, Informative)

scdeimos (632778) | more than 3 years ago | (#35569078)

We're talking about a steroid-pumped, bubblegum-chewing, over-the-top cliché pseudo-hero.

You forgot: "... who likes punching aliens in the balls."

Re:The Duke ain't PC (2)

Merls the Sneaky (1031058) | more than 3 years ago | (#35569080)

So we can look, forward to DNF being rated RC and becoming DN Never in Australia.

Fucking fascist government.

Re:The Duke ain't PC (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35569886)

Some people are angry at their governments because they are involved in wars, torture, illegal trade, and corruption. Merls the Sneaky is angry at his government because they might not let him play a computer game, and uses words like 'fascist' to make it sound like its important and he has the slightest clue what he is talking about. The irony in all this is that in a few years time, after all these people having been overusing words like 'fascist', 'oppression', 'tryranny', 'censorship' and referencing 1984 when talking about silly shit like this, that it will be their own goddam fault when once powerful words become utterly trivial, and their 'Orwellian' future comes true.

Re:The Duke ain't PC (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35569124)

He's not politically correct. He's in fact not correct at all.

Dammit, it's a friggin' GAME! OK? It's a GAME! Treat it as such. We're talking about a steroid-pumped, bubblegum-chewing, over-the-top cliché pseudo-hero. I wouldn't say it's suitable for 10 year olds (or other people of similar feeble intellect that could take a computer game serious like, say, certain politicians or a certain ex-lawyer we all love so much), but why should you have to apologize as a computer game company for making a corny game?

Sadly, it's probably this (the teen) demographic that will flock to this game mode. :(

I just hope they've made the game hard enough to deter the younger players.

Re:The Duke ain't PC (2, Insightful)

Viceice (462967) | more than 3 years ago | (#35569396)

It's like how people don't understand parody and satire. I just watch and laugh sometimes at how some people are so upset when comedy is made about race, religion, gender etc.

Yes, people get hurt when you say the wrong thing, but people also need to learn to chill, take a step back and laugh at themselves once in a while.

Re:The Duke ain't PC (1, Troll)

Adam Jorgensen (1302989) | more than 3 years ago | (#35569544)

Okay, I'm a little sick of this apologist shit...

Let's be frank: Parody and satire can be clever and they can also be funny. However, they can also fall flat, usually as a result of being stupid.

DNF does not classify as intelligent parody or satire. It classifies as juvenile BS.

Claiming that those people, like myself, who find DNF to be unfunny and rather insulting are missing the point and not getting the joke is ignoring the
fact that DNF is frankly a piece of crap in the humour department.

Unless moronic humour like this appeals, in which case be my guest and enjoy this sack of crap game for all it's worth...

Personally, I got over the DNF brand of humour when I stopped being 15...

Re:The Duke ain't PC (3, Insightful)

rikkards (98006) | more than 3 years ago | (#35569998)

I would mod you up (I will probably get modded down (s'alright I have tons of karma) as what you say has a large grain of truth. Also regarding what the GP said, usually the people who say others need to lighten up have never been on the butt end of the joke and usually are part of the demographic majority who get a tad offended/feel persecuted when society tries to balance out the rights they have always had that other minorities have not i.e religious rights, same-sex marriage, etc.

Re:The Duke ain't PC (0)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 3 years ago | (#35570784)

Oh, lighten up and get over it, you whimpering pantywaste.

Nice touch, accusing everyone who disagrees with your sniveling of being a Republican, but too obvious.

7/10 on the troll-o-meter.
11/10 on the worthless pussy scale.

Re:The Duke ain't PC (2, Insightful)

atomicbutterfly (1979388) | more than 3 years ago | (#35569504)

but why should you have to apologize as a computer game company for making a corny game?

Because this isn't the easy-going days of gaming (as in the 90's). Nowadays, people for some reason want to be offended just so they can get their 2 minutes of Internet fame as they're quoted in multiple sites. Bonus points if they're behind some shitty "family" organization or group who loves the publicity.

Re:The Duke ain't PC (1)

petermgreen (876956) | more than 3 years ago | (#35570590)

Afaict the way to get arround this is to keep a seperate brand for your "adult" games push that as the brand for your adult games. So when people think of "the company behind GTA" they think "rockstar games" not "take 2 interactive".

Re:The Duke ain't PC (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35569608)

why should you have to apologize as a computer game company for making a corny game?

If you make some shitty game, and try to boost your sales by throwing in needless smut, then yeah, you should apologize. DNF is a game that shouldn't have even been made, they're just capitalizing on a tired old internet meme.

Re:The Duke ain't PC (1)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 3 years ago | (#35569782)

Because idiot parents will buy this for their 10 year old, and they will promptly "attitude adjust" a girl in their class. As is usual, the content of the game will be blamed for corrupting the youth of today, and the parent will get some free airtime talking about how she didn't know the game would be like that. It'll somehow be linked to extremism or a latent desire to commit homicide, and (mostly) mature adults will be left playing Happy Rainbow Pony Fair Ground Ride XVI and watching the god damn Teletubbies.

Re:The Duke ain't PC (2)

cheekyjohnson (1873388) | more than 3 years ago | (#35569894)

Because idiot parents will buy this for their 10 year old, and they will promptly "attitude adjust" a girl in their class.

The amount of children that view/play violent media is likely staggeringly high. How many of them are actually insane enough actually imitate the violence and try it on others? Most of them know that it's fiction. Most of them know that they do not wish to hurt others simply because they saw it done in a work of fiction. The most any studies have been able to 'prove' is that violent media can be linked to temporary violent thoughts that almost never amount to anything (not even in children). If some abysmally small minority of people who are 'insane' (and if they are children, have terrible parents who censor everything instead of educating them about the difference between fiction and reality) imitate violence they see in violent media, then that is too bad. Those few shouldn't be able to ruin it for everyone else (children or not).

Re:The Duke ain't PC (2)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 3 years ago | (#35569976)

How many of them are actually insane enough actually imitate the violence and try it on others?

One. Then, Fox News will get hold of the story, and it'll be the second coming of Pol Pot. Don't pretend it won't happen.

Re:The Duke ain't PC (1)

cheekyjohnson (1873388) | more than 3 years ago | (#35570260)

I see. Yes, they do tend to exaggerate things greatly. That, however, does not warrant people banning/censoring things for specific groups of people (children in this case) just to appease these imbeciles.

Re:The Duke ain't PC (4, Insightful)

cheekyjohnson (1873388) | more than 3 years ago | (#35569872)

I wouldn't say it's suitable for 10 year olds

Really? I would. In order for these ten year olds to believe that a game is actually reality, they would likely have to be already insane and would have to have terrible parents who do nothing but censor everything instead of educating them about things. Really, the chances of someone (even a child) believing this game is reality are slim to none, I believe. The chances of this actually hurting someone are likely even slimmer. The temporary violent thoughts that some studies correlated to violent media almost never amount to anything.

I'd say it's suitable for anything unless the person is insane and/or has terrible parents.

Re:The Duke ain't PC (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35570176)

You're ... not a parent, are you?

Fuck, I hope not anyway.

Re:The Duke ain't PC (1)

cheekyjohnson (1873388) | more than 3 years ago | (#35570252)

Why do you say that? Is education not possible? Are children not able to tell the difference? I certainly could. Even if they can't (which is a very small minority of people), that is where the parent comes in. They do not need to ban the violent media. They merely need to tell the child that it is not real. If a parent does not have the time to do that, they should not be parents at all.

Re:The Duke ain't PC (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35570614)

I used to play Duke3d when I was ten, it was awesome! I turned out all right it seems. :)

Finally! (0)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 3 years ago | (#35568992)

This seems relevant: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2010/8/11/ [penny-arcade.com]

If you don't understand why: http://webcomicoverlook.com/2010/08/17/penny-arcade-and-jokes-about-rape/ [webcomicoverlook.com]

Apparently few made the connection to: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Dick%20Wolf [urbandictionary.com]

Re:Finally! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35569566)

In the dickwolves controversy, the whole point of that joke was that rape was a bad thing, they simply used that to emphasise how dickish it was for the guy to leave them there to be raped. In this game, you are actively hitting a woman for refusing to let you, effectively, kidnap her. The game isn't showing someone else doing it so you can beat them down, this is an encouraged, rewarded gameplay action. Not the same.

Re:Finally! (0)

emj (15659) | more than 3 years ago | (#35569810)

Actually the whole point was that Penny-Arcade made things worse, first they make jokes about rape and then they choose to belittle the people who protested about it. I agree that the DNF thingy really sucks, that doesn't make rape more or less ok.

Re:Finally! (1)

cheekyjohnson (1873388) | more than 3 years ago | (#35570300)

Yes. They made jokes about rape. Why should anyone care? As far as I know, only the people deemed 'insane' by society would be affected by such jokes so much that they would view rape as more 'okay' because of them. As far as I know, no one really believes that rape is okay just because someone (or themselves) make a few jokes about it. Many people murder others in video games for their own entertainment. Does this mean that if they murdered someone in real life they would feel the same way? Most likely not (not that they would even do that in the first place). They're fictional characters.

(Disclaimer: I'm from the Middle East) (1)

gcnaddict (841664) | more than 3 years ago | (#35569052)

So, we're allowed to be politically incorrect?

I wonder how much they would make by launching DNF in Arab League states.

Re:(Disclaimer: I'm from the Middle East) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35570292)

So, we're allowed to be politically incorrect?

Yes.

Or at least anywhere this game is going to be released. If it's not PC, then add a rating onto it to "Protect the Children (TM)". As an adult you have a choice. If you are offended then don't buy it, if you aren't then do what you want..

There are some things that are morally wrong in this world, that many people can agree on. There are others that are not, even though some people consider them to be. Hitting another person for shits and giggles is wrong as it hurts someone who hasn't done anything to you. Making a computer game in which the character you play hits someone for the same reason is not. It doesn't hurt anyone, or affect anyone else in any way. Some people may be offended by it, but that does not make it wrong.

Here we go again (4, Insightful)

LS (57954) | more than 3 years ago | (#35569056)

So why is beating and killing prostitutes in GTA ok, but this some kind of travesty?

Re:Here we go again (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35569132)

No one wants to talk about or defend prostitutes (yay western ideals).

Re:Here we go again (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35569142)

Because that stupid guy who took on rockstar was a sexist pig and thought the only evil thing was killing cops and "paying for sex" but not killing ppl, prostitutes or "bad guys who have it coming". It's a double standard but it really is just a government of your own doing.

You ppl have guns, right? Use 'em.

Re:Here we go again (1)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 3 years ago | (#35569798)

Rockstar North (responsible for the GTA franchise) are based in Scotland. Over this side of the Atlantic, we can appreciate satire. I don't see a lot of it in the American shows televised here (although admittedly I don't watch many). Could be that.

Re:Here we go again (5, Insightful)

FrootLoops (1817694) | more than 3 years ago | (#35570120)

In my experience (as an American) American perspectives vary wildly. Check out South Park or Family Guy; they're American shows that involve heavy satire. They're very popular with certain demographics, but they're hated, often vehemently, by other segments of the population. I think it would be more accurate to say there's a large, often vocal, conservative block in our population that doesn't appreciate satire. [Of course even this refinement is a generalization and isn't strictly true.]

As for me, I couldn't care less about the DKF multiplayer "controversy". It seems inconsistent to only get upset about hitting a woman/carrying her as a flag when the game is about killing people.

Re:Here we go again (1)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 3 years ago | (#35570186)

It all comes down to "Squeaky wheel gets the oil."

Small clarification; The game is about killing aliens, not people.

Re:Here we go again (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35570268)

Isn't South Park made in Canada?

Re:Here we go again (1)

WhirlwindMonk (1975382) | more than 3 years ago | (#35570276)

I think it would be more accurate to say there's a large, often vocal, conservative block in our population that doesn't appreciate satire. [Of course even this refinement is a generalization and isn't strictly true.]

In my experience, there are several, very vocal groups on both sides of the political isle who don't appreciate satire of specific kinds. Make gay jokes or racist jokes? The only thing that keeps the left-wing groups off your throat is if you're a minority. Crack a joke about Christianity? The right-wing groups will be in your face instantly. But both seem to approve of the humor the opposite side hates, telling each other to "lighten up," or in the worst cases, that their own humor is justified because it's true. I feel that the vast majority of people do enjoy satire, it's just different people enjoy different types. Personally, I find both Family Guy and South Park to be rather dull most of the time (the Manbearpig episode was pretty fantastic, though). Any funny satire they do tends to be ruined for me by the body and shock humor ("WE SAID PENIS, LOL"). Yu-Gi-Oh Abridged [yugiohabridged.com] on the other hand, I just about die laughing at every episode. It's just different tastes.

THE PROOF (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35569090)

The actual phrase goes "The proof of the pudding is in the eating."
Sexists and idiots, who would've thunk it??

Re:THE PROOF (1)

dingen (958134) | more than 3 years ago | (#35570544)

And the correct shorthand (albeit quite meaningless) is "the proof of the pudding", not "the proof is in the pudding".

Publicity (1)

akkornel (1800252) | more than 3 years ago | (#35569148)

At this point, it doesn't matter how much hate/love/controvery/whatever this brings: It brings publicity, and that's the point!

Re:Publicity (1)

bronney (638318) | more than 3 years ago | (#35569402)

I don't think it needs publicity at this point.. If someone play games and don't know what DNF is, you can collect his game card :)

Equally Smackable (5, Insightful)

optymizer (1944916) | more than 3 years ago | (#35569250)

If you had to capture a guy and smack him, nobody would have said anything. In that case, Gearbox might even be blamed for not making the option of smacking a woman. So much for gender equality...

Re:Equally Smackable (1)

emj (15659) | more than 3 years ago | (#35570144)

No in that case people would be protesting, saying that Duke should not be gay. Please! You make no sense, you can't use a theoretical situation to make a point in a very specific situation.

Re:Equally Smackable (1)

Broken scope (973885) | more than 3 years ago | (#35570846)

The first half of your statement is correct. The second half is not. The only people who would complain about not getting to hit a woman are some kids on 4chan and a few video game hipsters on kotaku.

The reason no one says anything about a guy getting smacked, beyond those who complain about anyone getting hit, is that their isn't a culture of acceptance and normalization around violence( and objectification) against men the way there is towards women.

This culture exists regardless of the number of men who "won't hit girls", though many of these men won't hit "girls", not because hitting someone is generally wrong but because you don't hit "girls" because you don't hit "girls". The reasoning in of itself is sexist. There are plenty non sexist lines of reasoning to use mostly due to the fact it's never going to even be a fair fight.

Oh and lets not for get that man men who "Don't hit girls", have no problems using their size and strength to coerce, control, and intimidate women into doing things

Postal 2? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35569312)

Postal 2 had capture the flag where you had to carry a hooker around as a flag. Not really controversial any more.

This is so wrong on so many levels... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35569328)

It's a game where you run around kill everyone - perfectly acceptable
Hit someone - How disgusting (pure double standards)

But the really really wrong bit, It is such a cheap publicity stunt. All BS and the offending bit will be removed when the story hits the mass media.

Postal 2 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35569388)

Already done in Postal 2 Multiplayer. :\ Yet any CTF style in a Mp game is always welcome!

I think... (2)

Red_Chaos1 (95148) | more than 3 years ago | (#35569542)

...that movies like Blazing Saddles need to become mandatory viewing. People as a collective need to lighten the fuck up, and learn to laugh a bit.

reason to buy (2)

Tom (822) | more than 3 years ago | (#35569598)

In this time and age of Political Correctness Ãoeber Alles, I am glad that some creative people still enjoy ruffling some feathers. That used to be common in arts, does anyone remember? Today, few artists dare upset the cocktail-drinking ladies in the galleries.

It wouldn't be Duke without stuff like this.

Re:reason to buy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35569922)

While I agree that there is no reason for anyone to be getting offended by this I don't necessarily think that a send up of a genre which spends almost all it's time deep into accidental self parody is really the bold artistic statement you seem to be treating it as.

Ever heard of youtube? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35570040)

"You can get some things across in screenshots but not really. So we're kinda struggling with how we expose it so people understand what's there."

If screenshots are not good enough make a small video.

DUH!!!!

sounds like Science and Industry (1)

brunascle (994197) | more than 3 years ago | (#35570408)

The original Half-Life mod Science and Industry played like a CTF game. The "flags" were scientists, and you captured them by hitting them on they head with a briefcase and carrying them back to your base. What a fun game.

Re:sounds like Science and Industry (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35570540)

:) Science and Industry was a great mod... once they were in your base you forced them to do research for you to get better armour and weapons.

most people understand hitting a woman is wrong (1)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 3 years ago | (#35570670)

many don't

society is sick of sending cops to domestic violence scenes. therefore, society won't let troglodytes have games where there is violence against women. not because there is a definite connection, but simply because its insulting to all that society is working towards in terms of less violence towards women

so sorry assholes, deal with it, but your gaming needs, on a scale of importance of 1 to 10, ranks at zero, compared with some other agendas in the world, namely, less violence towards women and the need to teach people that it is wrong

most can understand that smacking a woman in a videogame does not mean it is socially acceptable. a few can't

no smacking women in videogames: i fully support that. deal with, "tough guy"

Re:most people understand hitting a woman is wrong (1)

cheekyjohnson (1873388) | more than 3 years ago | (#35570828)

many don't

Some don't hold this same opinion, you mean. That's too bad. Also, these same people likely don't feel this way because of games (and, if they did, they would likely be deemed even more 'insane' by society). A few people should not be able to ruin something for the rest. Otherwise, nearly everything would be banned (cars, guns, knifes, etc).

but simply because its insulting to all that society is working towards in terms of less violence towards women

How is it insulting if nothing becomes of it? That sounds illogical to me.

on a scale of importance of 1 to 10, ranks at zero

I was not aware that you could decide how important something is to someone else (or, in this case, a very immense group of people). "Importance" is a matter of opinion.

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