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100% Libre, Trisquel 4.5 STS 'Slaine' Released

timothy posted more than 3 years ago | from the good-enough-for-rms dept.

GNU is Not Unix 207

Aldenissin writes "Trisquel 4.5 Slaine comes with a new boot manager for the live images, an improved installer which showcases the project highlights, and new programs like the Remmina remote desktop client, the social network client Gwibber or the backup tool Deja-dup. The web browser received several changes to improve attributes like speed by enabling http pipelining and other methods, privacy with blocking third party cookies and moving to Duck Duck Go search engine — both as default, and usability with the preinstalled FlashVideoReplacer plugin that allows watching videos from YouTube, Vimeo and many others. The main packages include: Linux-libre 2.6.35, Xorg 7.5, GNOME 2.32, Mozilla based web browser 3.6.15 and OpenOffice.org 3.2. Slaine is based on Ubuntu 10.10, and as always with Trisquel, it contains just free software. Available are 32 and 64 bit flavors, and being an STS release it will be supported for a year. This release will be the "live" operating system included in the Free Software Foundation member cards from now on, in replacement of Trisquel 4.0."

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207 comments

Uh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35618634)

What?

Re:Uh (1)

19thNervousBreakdown (768619) | more than 3 years ago | (#35618782)

Is that English?

Re:Uh (1)

Aldenissin (976329) | more than 3 years ago | (#35619342)

Actually Ruben's primary language is Spanish, as he is from Spain.

Re:Uh (0)

Goaway (82658) | more than 3 years ago | (#35618808)

Five reasons why no normal person cares about Free Software:

* "Trisquel"
* "Slaine"
* "Remmina"
* "Gwibber"
* "Deja-dup"

Re:Uh (1)

CyberDragon777 (1573387) | more than 3 years ago | (#35619100)

The funny thing is:

Mozilla based web browser 3.6.15

They have funky names for every piece of software, yet they won't tell you what the browser is called?

Re:Uh (1)

Aldenissin (976329) | more than 3 years ago | (#35619574)

It's called, get this.. "Web Browser". I know, I know, but hey, you do remember "Internet Explorer" don't you?

Re:Uh (1)

node 3 (115640) | more than 3 years ago | (#35619786)

Its real name wasn't odd enough, so mentioning 'Mozilla' had to suffice.

Re:Uh (1)

Aldenissin (976329) | more than 3 years ago | (#35619814)

Actually, it would be called Firefox if they could. But it is some license or trademark issue. But you can install firefox extensions and other addons.

Re:Uh (1)

SnarfQuest (469614) | more than 3 years ago | (#35620146)

Is there some reason that reviews on slashdot like this never reveal what the product is? It's always something like "Slarpfest now improved with 20% more slurm!" WHY SHOULD WE CARE!

Re:Uh (1)

Aldenissin (976329) | more than 3 years ago | (#35620164)

This isn't a review? It is a summary of a release announcement? If you don't understand what it is by any of the details in the summary, perhaps it isn't for you.

Re:Uh (1)

SnarfQuest (469614) | more than 3 years ago | (#35620418)

Review? Summary? Announcement? Who cares what it is, as long as we get 20% more slurm!

what the fuck? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35618640)

I didn't understand half the nouns in that article.

Re:what the fuck? (1)

geekmux (1040042) | more than 3 years ago | (#35619296)

I didn't understand half the nouns in that article.

Man, thank goodness I'm not the only one. I was just about ready to surrender my geek card. Which member of the Borg wrote that article?

Re:what the fuck? (1)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 3 years ago | (#35619354)

It took me several seconds to realize it was a Linux distro.

Re:what the fuck? (1)

Aldenissin (976329) | more than 3 years ago | (#35619834)

Wow, congrats, you win! Sometimes I read articles and I leave never knowing what it was, sometimes even after visiting the site. Ok, that was like only 1-2 times in like 8-9 years.

Re:what the fuck? (1, Troll)

node 3 (115640) | more than 3 years ago | (#35619838)

I dunno, the fact that the names were so strange made it obvious it was open source, that there were so many strange names together alluded to it being a Linux distro, and that the names were presented as though everyone should know what they are pointed towards it being GNU.

By the time you get to the end, where they actually point all of this out, the explanation ends up being redundant, almost like a Zen parable.

Re:what the fuck? (1)

Aldenissin (976329) | more than 3 years ago | (#35620170)

Yea, that was all my fault. It was late when I submitted it.

Re:what the fuck? (3, Funny)

Aldenissin (976329) | more than 3 years ago | (#35619828)

The author wrote it, and then I butchered it for Slashdot consumption. Resistance is futile.

Re:what the fuck? (1)

davester666 (731373) | more than 3 years ago | (#35620192)

Thank you for continuing in a long line of great butchers that have come before you here at Slashdot.

Re:what the fuck? (1)

der_joachim (590045) | more than 3 years ago | (#35620446)

I didn't understand half the nouns in that article.

Heh. Me neither. That's why I read the article in the first place. :-)

Ok (0)

bball99 (232214) | more than 3 years ago | (#35618656)

i've been dealing w/this free software crap since '93, and this 'l33t sp33k' is getting ridiculous - you twits!

Re:Ok (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35619762)

Whole-heartedly agree ...? I Read the summary, and still have no idea WTF this story is about.

Now I know what chicks feel like when I talk about Star Wars.

Um... (4, Insightful)

MrEricSir (398214) | more than 3 years ago | (#35618660)

So on Slashdot we have to tell people who Alan Turing was, but we can just randomly spout off the names of (what I'm assuming to be) little known software packages?

Come on, guys.

Re:Um... (1)

thryllkill (52874) | more than 3 years ago | (#35618710)

So on Slashdot we have to tell people who Alan Turing was, but we can just randomly spout off the names of (what I'm assuming to be) little known software packages?

Come on, guys.

Alan Turing was the gay guy in Cryptonomicon, right?

Re:Um... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35618816)

I thought it was April 1 already.

Re:Um... (2)

denshao2 (1515775) | more than 3 years ago | (#35618880)

I have been using Linux for years and never heard of this distro. It's not even in the top 100 according to Distrowatch.

Re:Um... (1)

Aldenissin (976329) | more than 3 years ago | (#35619358)

It is one endorsed by the FSF and GNU foundations. It is 100% libre, and if I may say so the most user friendly. Being based on Ubuntu probably helps. It is also very nice looking as well.

Re:Um... (1)

Osty (16825) | more than 3 years ago | (#35619654)

if I may say so the most user friendly

You may say so, but that doesn't make it true. Care to back it up with facts, or at least anecdotal evidence? Note that being 100% "libre" (or "free", as the rest of us say) means that many wifi adapters simply will not work, you can say goodbye to any decent GPU hardware acceleration, and more.

Re:Um... (3, Informative)

Aldenissin (976329) | more than 3 years ago | (#35619732)

OK, how is this for anecdotal evidence. I have tried or looked at all of the 100$ libre versions, and if they seem to offered an English version, then I tried them. Only 2 stand out, Trisquel and gNewSense. gNewSense has not been updated in awhile, and is based on an older version of Ubuntu than Trisquel. Trisquel seems from experience to have a lot more thought put into it other than just removing proprietary blobs from the kernel and software and repos. The layout is well done, and is not just a new wallpaper and color scheme. In fact, I don't hardly notice it since it just seems to work so well. Unlike with even Ubuntu 10.10, which I have honestly had issues with about once a week. Not so with Trisquel 4.5, and that was while it was in Beta. The only real issue I remember having was with Youtube videos, and that was quickly corrected.

As far as wifi adapters, there are those that it will work with and are likely easily replaceable. This is not a libre issue only, as Linux has been dealing with this for years... As far as the GPU acceleration, I wanted to keep the summary size down. But as mentioned on the release page: "One of the exciting improvements for this release is the availability of an experimental Nouveau driver for NVIDIA cards which allows for 3D acceleration using fully free software."

Re:Um... (1)

Aldenissin (976329) | more than 3 years ago | (#35619846)

100"%"...

Re:Um... (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 3 years ago | (#35619422)

I volunteered for a free software event. We were supposed to hand out Trisquel CDs and I did that but I also suggested people pick up a free copy of ubuntu from across the room and try that too.

Re:Um... (1)

Aldenissin (976329) | more than 3 years ago | (#35619600)

It is based on Ubuntu, but 100% libre.

Re:Um... (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 3 years ago | (#35619678)

Sure but I would recommend ubuntu for a non-technical person. Its not going to further the goals of free software to give them Trisquel.

Re:Um... (1)

Aldenissin (976329) | more than 3 years ago | (#35619734)

You might be surprised. AND, it is based on Ubuntu after all.

Re:Um... (1)

Tubal-Cain (1289912) | more than 3 years ago | (#35619948)

...it is based on Ubuntu after all.

You're starting to sound like a broken record.

Re:Um... (1)

Aldenissin (976329) | more than 3 years ago | (#35620186)

True, I should have said that it seems easier than vanilla Ubuntu and the layout may be more familiar to users of other OS's. And that I've had less trouble with it than I have with Ubuntu, but I've also mentioned this above...

Gonna be totally honest here... (4, Insightful)

Yosho (135835) | more than 3 years ago | (#35618682)

The only word in the summary that I recognise is "Release", but I can guess what "Libre" means. I don't know why you can't just use "free."

Otherwise, could you please give some indication of what the hell this is? I even tried searching Slashdot's archives for other articles with "Trisquel" in them, and this is the only one. Should we have any idea what this is?

Re:Gonna be totally honest here... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35618724)

The only word in the summary that I recognise is "Release", but I can guess what "Libre" means.

It comes with OpenOffice 3.2, so it must be a different Libre than in LibreOffice.

Re:Gonna be totally honest here... (1)

Aldenissin (976329) | more than 3 years ago | (#35619738)

I think it was an upstream related decision. Easily changed at will once installed though.

Re:Gonna be totally honest here... (1)

/dev/trash (182850) | more than 3 years ago | (#35618866)

Because it can be 'free' as in source, but still cost money to download.

Re:Gonna be totally honest here... (5, Informative)

agrif (960591) | more than 3 years ago | (#35618872)

The only word in the summary that I recognise is "Release", but I can guess what "Libre" means. I don't know why you can't just use "free."?

In the open source community (and most of the larger computer nerd metacommunity) the term free software [gnu.org] has a very specific meaning. Unfortunately, the english word free has two different meanings: free as in freedom, and free as in beer, as it's usually put. To anyone not in the know, free software is just software that can be obtained at no cost.

Using the words libre and gratis [wikipedia.org] clarifies what you're talking about, and though it may not be a particularly useful distinction on slashdot, it's often used elsewhere. Most people can guess what they mean even if they've never heard them used in this context, because gratis is often used to say "this costs nothing", while libre sounds a lot like liberty.

Re:Gonna be totally honest here... (2)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 3 years ago | (#35619048)

You know what else sounds a lot like liberty? Liberty.

Re:Gonna be totally honest here... (1)

Aldenissin (976329) | more than 3 years ago | (#35619430)

Yea, but when you here libre, you are pretty sure you are talking about software now, and a specific kind too.

Re:Gonna be totally honest here... (3, Interesting)

Aldenissin (976329) | more than 3 years ago | (#35619396)

Mod parent up! That is exactly why libre is used. When you have big companies using the word free, but not in the context normally used or even free as in gratis, then you have to use a different word.

Re:Gonna be totally honest here... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35620246)

If somebody came up to me and said, "Use this software, it's libre, but it's not gratis!" I would almost certainly punch them in the cock. Hard.

Why? Because that phrase is absolutely indicative of someone who is an obnoxious, pedantic twat; someone who is more concerned with trying to sound oh-so-very-clever than they are concerned with, you know, helping me address the problems I have whose solutions require the use of a computer.

Now come here so I can neuter you with my fist.

Re:Gonna be totally honest here... (1)

agrif (960591) | more than 3 years ago | (#35620288)

Yes. That would be dumb! Telling people about how great free software is when they don't care is the worst thing to do to help the free software movement, as it's about the worst thing you can do for any idea. It'd be like telling someone "my phone is jailbroken!" when all they want to do is borrow it to make a quick call.

But when you're talking about free to people who do care (like, say, some slashdotters), it's useful to distinguish between the two very different definitions of free. Some software is neither, some is one but not the other, and some is both, and these distinctions matter if you're someone who cares about these things.

Re:Gonna be totally honest here... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35620344)

But when you're talking about free to people who do care (like, say, some slashdotters), it's useful to distinguish between the two very different definitions of free. Some software is neither, some is one but not the other, and some is both, and these distinctions matter if you're someone who cares about these things.

-- Most slashdotters are not as stupid as you'd like to imagine them to be. In fact, they are probably some of the only people in the world who will understand what you mean when you say "this is free software."

-- Describing something as "libre" doesn't really help us understand what it is anyway, as the licensing terms - GPLv2? GPLv3? Apache? BSD? LGPL? Some other "Free" license? - are what really matters to the people who "care about these sorts of things." Hell, the MS-PL and MS-RL licenses are both regarded as "free" by the OSI & FSF, yet there's some significant difference between all of these different licensing schemes.

The use of "libre" is just stupid. It's used by self-important neckbeards who want to make themselves sound clever and "cutting edge". The people who are reading about "Triscuit Slab Humina-Humina-Humina Dwimmer 4.5 STS (based on Zesty Zygote!)" already know what "free" software entails, and understand that there are multiple possible meanings for that term; The people who don't know what "free software" entails will be NO MORE enlightened by the use of "libre" than they would have been by the use of "free".

Re:Gonna be totally honest here... (1)

agrif (960591) | more than 3 years ago | (#35620466)

I... uh... was not aware I though slashdotters were stupid? Huh. Sorry if it came off that way :D

Free software isn't ambiguous to a slashdotter, but you can probably see how "100% Free, Trisquel 4.5 STS 'Slaine' Released" is a more ambiguous headline than "100% Libre, Trisquel 4.5 STS 'Slaine' Released". The headline is horrible because nobody knows what Trisquel is, but by using libre you immediately know it's about free software. For people who haven't heard it used before, well, as you said, slashdotters are a smart crowd. It's an easy association.

Re:Gonna be totally honest here... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35619438)

I have no idea where "Libre" crept into things, but it seems to be a part of the nonsense "FLOSS" acronym that has been so popular to spout around here. What the hell does "Free/Libre" mean? That's as bad as "Built with NT Technology" (New Technology Technology?)

Free is good enough. We don't need French to make it sound "more free than free."

Re:Gonna be totally honest here... (1)

Aldenissin (976329) | more than 3 years ago | (#35619650)

Free sounds like it is being given away and that is all that it means, which causes confusion. Microsoft gives away "free software" (as in cost or gratis) all the time, but I wouldn't want it. In reality, it means freedom. It is for clarification and distinction.

Re:Gonna be totally honest here... (1)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 3 years ago | (#35620032)

&^%&^%*&^%*&! Then fricking say FREEDOM already! Jesus tap dancing Christ on a stick WTF?! Is it not bad enough the FLOSSies gotta come up with the absolute WORST names for software in the history of the world, now you gotta start sticking in French too?

Is making things sound NICE or FRIENDLY against the bylaws or something? I mean Trisquel? Sounds like something you use to clear up a yeast infection. Good Lord man, is there not a single marketing guy in the entire damned organization?

Re:Gonna be totally honest here... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35620174)

"A new piece of FREEDOM software" just doesn't have the same ring. Most people know that libre means something along the lines of "having liberty."

And you could call it Spanish, if you're not as bigoted against them.

Re:Gonna be totally honest here... (2)

Aldenissin (976329) | more than 3 years ago | (#35620206)

No, we do it to troll you. Thanks for feeding us.

But seriously, I think libre has been around since before France. When you say "freedom" you want to just shorten it to free, as it has been done until libre started to be used. Trisquel is from the Celtics who used to live where the project lead and founder is from. Very beautiful scenery there, and some of the houses are a couple thousand years old. And not, he does almost it all, design, compiling, website. Darn good job in that context. Many of the names are used because they are fun and silly in free software. You don't often forget them, and that is marketing gold there.

Re:Gonna be totally honest here... (1)

RMS Eats Toejam (1693864) | more than 3 years ago | (#35620514)

marketing gold there.

No, it isn't. Marketing gold would attract people all over the world to join your tiny little FOSS movement.

It's a linux distro. (5, Informative)

Seumas (6865) | more than 3 years ago | (#35618684)

Since we apparently couldn't be bothered with adding one more sentence to the blurb so we know what the hell 'Trisquel' actually is, it's apparently a linux distribution and Slaine seems to be the code name of the new release version (ie, Hammy, Sid, Hoary Hedgehog).

https://trisquel.info/en [trisquel.info]

Re:It's a linux distro. (1)

Seumas (6865) | more than 3 years ago | (#35618694)

Let me correct myself. This is apparently a GNU/LINUX distribution (cough) . . . important, to note, since it is apparently the official distro provided by the FSF on their "member cards".

Re:It's a linux distro. (4, Insightful)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 3 years ago | (#35618770)

One of 8 approved [gnu.org] GNU/Linux distributions. None of which matter in the real world.

Apparently, in order to be an approved FREE software OS, you need to prevent users from using non-free software [gnu.org] . FREE from choice. The ultimate FREEdom.

Re:It's a linux distro. (1)

CarsonChittom (2025388) | more than 3 years ago | (#35619024)

Didn't we already have the GPL vs. BSD argument this week in the thread on Apple removing Samba from OS X?

Re:It's a linux distro. (1)

CyberDragon777 (1573387) | more than 3 years ago | (#35619066)

http://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html [gnu.org]

Ubuntu offers the option to install only free packages, which means it also offers the option to install nonfree packages too.

Thank you, Captain Obvious... -.-

Re:It's a linux distro. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35619384)

They don't matter? Perhaps you mean we should get ridd of all those pointless non-Ubuntu distros?

Re:It's a linux distro. (0)

Aldenissin (976329) | more than 3 years ago | (#35619484)

It isn't freedom if it is non-free software.... That's like saying, "I'm in a jail because I want to be in here." It may be true that you want to be there (perhaps only if your captors have convinced you it would be best or convienient not to leave), but you are still not free. You are in a jail. Those distros allow you to run an OS without using proprietary software. You still have all the choice that you did before, but they are not going to include proprietary software by default. Add/change anything you wish. It is still GNU/Linux after all.

Re:It's a linux distro. (1)

flimflammer (956759) | more than 3 years ago | (#35620070)

I don't buy that at all. Allowing users to install non-free software has absolutely no equivalence to being jailed.

The Debian package itself is 100% free from non-free software, blobs, and what have you. But because Debian has a repository for some non-free software in essentially an "aftermarket" category separate from Debian, they get the boot because apparently users can't make the distinction where Debian ends and this non-free software begins.

To be honest, I find the whole thing a bit pretentious but that's just me.

Re:It's a linux distro. (1, Insightful)

Aldenissin (976329) | more than 3 years ago | (#35620226)

Perhaps it is pretentious, but I think Debian wasn't qualified in the ways you mentioned when these were and the guidlines were set. Also, perhaps it is true that users can't make the distinction. Surely some won't. I am glad that Debian stepped up to match those that worked hard on being endorsed in the other ways. I know Debian was capable when the others were.

The jail was meant as an analogy. But to continue, if there were multiple exits, and you asked how can you leave, and I said any of them, yet one would lead you to a trap where you were stuck in solitary, that wouldn't be right would it?

See, freedom ideals are exactly why we have Linux and all the software that is available. It is only available due to sacrifices made by those previously. As time goes on, the sacrifice gets easier and smaller. No one should be able to lock up information, and since knowledge is power, then it IS a jail. A vast plain can be a jail if you have no way to escape.

Re:It's a linux distro. (1, Informative)

node 3 (115640) | more than 3 years ago | (#35619900)

One of 8 approved [gnu.org] GNU/Linux distributions. None of which matter in the real world.

Outside of servers and as a basis for other systems (like TiVo and Android) and appliances, one could similarly claim that no Linux distro matters 'in the real world'. Although I don't share the FSF's moral stance on software, I do think it's good for them to put out lists like this and endorse software that meets their ideals.

Apparently, in order to be an approved FREE software OS, you need to prevent users from using non-free software [gnu.org] . FREE from choice. The ultimate FREEdom.

That's not true. They require the distros to not include non-free software (including not having official 'non-free' repositories), but the user can be allowed to install non-free software. In fact, I'm pretty sure that if a distro had the ability to prevent users from installing non-free software, it would logically have to be a non-free system and thus not allowed in the FSF's list.

The FSF has always supported peoples' right to choose non-free software. They have simply been consistent in doing everything they can to discourage it, but never disallowing it.

Re:It's a linux distro. (1)

Aldenissin (976329) | more than 3 years ago | (#35620236)

Wow, what an honest and informative post.

I am not sure about the prevent part, as I do think some things are "blacklisted' in Trisquel. However, that is possibly for compatibility/stability issues since most of if not all rely of proprietary blobs in the Linux kernel itself. But, you could always install/update your own (custom?) kernel and surely de-blacklist whatever you want.

WTF (1)

atari2600a (1892574) | more than 3 years ago | (#35618726)

100% Libre. OO.org 3.2. MFW :|

April 1st is next week. (0)

RoverDaddy (869116) | more than 3 years ago | (#35618730)

Triscuit? Jemima? Duck Duck Goose? FlashVideoEraser? I think you're a week early.

noun noun libre release noun (5, Funny)

mjeffers (61490) | more than 3 years ago | (#35618738)

Trisquel Slaine with Gwibber is cool and all but all the cool kids have already moved on to Aljaeguhn Tyabha with Florn.

Now with 75% more Styhanb.

Re:noun noun libre release noun (2)

Zan Lynx (87672) | more than 3 years ago | (#35618772)

You are awesome and I wish I had mod points.

It's always great to see more Styhanb.

Re:noun noun libre release noun (1)

Werkhaus (549466) | more than 3 years ago | (#35618790)

Aljaeguhn Tyabha with Florn.

Now with 75% more Styhanb.

Actually, if you kill the Splorg manager and replace it with Optimized Achylia, you can run Florn directly through Styhanb, enabling 100% EnOL-isation.

Re:noun noun libre release noun (1)

Samantha Wright (1324923) | more than 3 years ago | (#35618876)

Man. That is so awesome [maine.edu] . I had no idea that running Florn directly would improve my yields. Nature Gwibbomethods, here I come!

Re:noun noun libre release noun (1)

Jesus_666 (702802) | more than 3 years ago | (#35619076)

Note, however, that that will only work in Swastik 9.7 QTJ 'Zig', which comes with the new Gwitter-ready P8 fork Ad-Hominork which allows 10% higher mGNOPS when used in conjunction with HTMLVideoTranslator piped through the Hop Skip Bubblegum search engine VB GUI to hack all IPs simultaneously.

Several police laboratories have already expressed their interest.

Re:noun noun libre release noun (0)

typhoonius (611834) | more than 3 years ago | (#35619246)

Aljaeguhn Tyabha is junk, it won't even play back my multiplexed Ogg Rectum streams.

Re:noun noun libre release noun (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35619924)

Heheh, I like that name. Ogg Rectum must be a video codec that uses fractal compression, approximating each frame with variously scaled and rotated copies of hello.jpg; excels at flesh-toned images such as porn... y'know, someone actually should implement that -- it'd be hilarious.

Re:noun noun libre release noun (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35620232)

gwibber is old news, the real highlights here are deja-dup and reminna. Not sure what those are, let me duck duck goose that for you
http://lmddgtfy.com/?q=deja-dup

ps i can't believe that actually worked.

Bravo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35618760)

Great summary: give details about something nobody knows about, and only then explain what that thing basically is. Because the confusing headline just wasn't enough, right?

Please tag - "freetarded" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35618774)

What a poorly written summary, filled with meaningless (but I'm sure RMS approved!) names.

at least it serves as a lesson to others... (3, Insightful)

mjeffers (61490) | more than 3 years ago | (#35618788)

The next time someone tells me the only reason why [productx] is so popular is due to marketing I'm sending them a link to this summary as an example of why that really really does matter.

Re:at least it serves as a lesson to others... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35619114)

No real /.ers would pass up the chance for native dlig.ipmad.umupluo.us integration.

Re:at least it serves as a lesson to others... (0)

Aldenissin (976329) | more than 3 years ago | (#35619514)

Well considering there is only one full time developer and he does most of the website, etc. and English is not his primary language, I think he did great! I bet there are more downloads of this than some proprietary wares with a marketing team.

Re:at least it serves as a lesson to others... (1)

mjeffers (61490) | more than 3 years ago | (#35619604)

Aww, now I do feel kinda bad. To be fair, the screenshots did look very nice and polished but next time you may want to keep the announcements simple and link to all the details. I probably won't use this but I wish him luck.

Re:at least it serves as a lesson to others... (2)

Aldenissin (976329) | more than 3 years ago | (#35619774)

Yes, I learned some lessons... but I got it accepted with 9th grade and GED education. I don't think I did that bad either for something like 3 AM this morning. :D I will let him know what you said and will probably get him to let me clean up the announcement some next time, or maybe even tomorrow for this release. My grammar isn't that bad and English is my primary language.

scraping the barrel (4, Insightful)

zaphirplane (1457931) | more than 3 years ago | (#35618840)

a whole os, distro and the highlights include enabling http pipelining and including a couple of browser add-ons, switching default search engine
Really ? really ?
That's the problem that needs solving, thru a new disto

Re:scraping the barrel (1)

fuzzix (700457) | more than 3 years ago | (#35619170)

a whole os, distro and the highlights include enabling http pipelining and including a couple of browser add-ons, switching default search engine
Really ? really ?
That's the problem that needs solving, thru a new disto

Yep, that's right, a whole new distro... to enable something that not everybody thinks is a great idea... I mean, if you want to make 200 http connections per web page have at it, but do it on some other web, not the one that myself and others enjoy traffic from.

Re:scraping the barrel (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35619664)

You know your web browser makes 200 http connections anyway, right? Pipelining means running them simultaneously (so one distant, congested, or offline server doesn't hold up everything else) instead of sequentially, but you're transferring the same amount of data either way.

I do hope you're trolling, because if not that's the stupidist post I've seen online in probably 2-3 hours.

Re:scraping the barrel (1)

Aldenissin (976329) | more than 3 years ago | (#35619552)

No, those are differences between the last release, you know 4.5 indicates there have been others...

Makes me embarrassed to be here on Friday evening (1, Insightful)

howardd21 (1001567) | more than 3 years ago | (#35618902)

How pathetic; I am reading this summary, and actually responding, on a Friday evening,...

Re:Makes me embarrassed to be here on Friday eveni (1)

Aldenissin (976329) | more than 3 years ago | (#35619666)

Then this distro should be installing right now! Ba dum tish!

yuk yuk yuk (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35619090)

Wow, them Linux hippies sure make me laugh!

Who ever heard of "free software" or any of these hippie "free programs!?"

What have these "free software" people done for the world? Nothing! Damn commies.

I sure wish we could have another Android or Microsoft lawsuit thread! /Derp

Re:yuk yuk yuk (1)

Aldenissin (976329) | more than 3 years ago | (#35619564)

Nothing? How about power 3/4ths of the worlds servers. In your car, T.V, toaster, Tivo, fridge, and on and on. Innovate companies that would rather keep the status quo but are forced to catch up.

Slashdot... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35619124)

Distrowatch in a different timezone!

why though (1)

kvvbassboy (2010962) | more than 3 years ago | (#35619370)

Don't get me wrong, I like Linux, and use it at home and at work. Why would anyone specifically want a distribution that provides *only* free software? Instead they could any other distro (that has a bigger community and better support) and remove all the non-free software, if they are that concerned about it.

Re:why though (1)

aloniv (1972020) | more than 3 years ago | (#35619580)

The whole point of a free distibution is not to use or recommend proprietary software as proprietary software is viewed as unethical since the developer of the software controls the users of the software. The distro Trisquel is based on Ubuntu so you can get most of the help needed from the Ubuntu forums. The distro also has its own forums. The main differences from Ubuntu are a rebranded Mozilla browser which never suggests the use of Adobe Flash and instead uses replacements such as Gnash, the removal of Ubuntu's Multiverse repository as it contains non-free software and a Linux kernel without any non-free binary blobs. Note that since the Linux kernel contains non-free software it violates its own license.

Re:why though (1)

Lawrence_Bird (67278) | more than 3 years ago | (#35619668)

"the developer of the software controls the users of the software"

what a crock that is. what % of users of software do you think are capable of doing anything remotely useful (or even plain silly) with the source code? 10%? 1%? And of those, what % are interested enough in making a change? The developer(s) will always control the users of the software unless the developers are the only people using the software.

Re:why though (2)

Aldenissin (976329) | more than 3 years ago | (#35619798)

"the developer of the software controls the users of the software"

what a crock that is. what % of users of software do you think are capable of doing anything remotely useful (or even plain silly) with the source code? 10%? 1%? And of those, what % are interested enough in making a change? The developer(s) will always control the users of the software unless the developers are the only people using the software.

Negative, without the source code, updates can be forced, for example. Just by having the source code, once can easily enough, compile the old version again. Even give someone a few bucks to take out the update mechanism or neutralize it. That is just one example.

Re:why though (3, Informative)

aloniv (1972020) | more than 3 years ago | (#35620048)

Here are some examples of developers of the software controlling the users of the software using proprietary software:

1. Free software, unlike proprietary software, can be ported to other operating systems (and to different architectures). Proprietary software will usually only be ported if the developer wishes to do so (e.g. if enough people use the operating system), which is why for example Adobe did not release a version of Flash for FreeBSD or for the Openmoko GNU/Linux distributions.

2. Nvidia is unwilling to add VDPAU support to the GNU/Linux drivers of their old graphic cards even though the Windows drivers support the equivalent technology. So if you want VDPAU on GNU/Linux you need to buy a new graphics card, even though your card should be able to use VDPAU if Nvidia decides to support it.

3. The VIA Unichrome Pro graphics card does not support a 16:9 resolution when using the proprietary graphics card driver on Windows XP, so if you want to connect a Windows XP computer with this graphics card to a 16:9 monitor without seeing a distorted image, you need to buy a new graphics card. The reason for this is that VIA stopped supporting the driver in 2007. The free driver on GNU/Linux called openChrome on the other hand supports 16:9 resolutions such as 720p. If someone didn't know about GNU/Linux, they would probably just buy a new graphics card, even though their card might actually support a 16:9 resolution if the graphics card driver developers decide to support it.

Re:why though (1, Insightful)

Tubal-Cain (1289912) | more than 3 years ago | (#35620040)

The main differences from Ubuntu are a rebranded Mozilla browser...

$ apt-get install abrowser
There. Ubuntu with an unbranded Firefox. It even removes firefox-branding.

...which never suggests the use of Adobe Flash

Those that care are free to click the "no thanks" button and go without flash online.

...and instead uses replacements such as Gnash

Wow. Best joke I've read all week.

...the removal of Ubuntu's Multiverse repository as it contains non-free software...

Isn't that turned off by default?

...and a Linux kernel without any non-free binary blobs. Note that since the Linux kernel contains non-free software it violates its own license.

So...Ubuntu with Debian's kernel.

Re:why though (2)

Aldenissin (976329) | more than 3 years ago | (#35619676)

Ever think of how much work that is to remove all the proprietary software and .blobs? Now, all you have to do is download it and use it, saving you time. It is based on Ubuntu, so you have a ton of support there. And if you can't get your answer there, then you can always find help on the forums or IRC.

Libre the new Free? (1)

flimflammer (956759) | more than 3 years ago | (#35620024)

Can't help but notice since the fork of OpenOffice was named LibreOffice, everyone is using the word Libre now. This thread is filled with instances of it by various individuals. I thought it was silly when they named it LibreOffice and I think it's silly people are jumping on the word everywhere else now.

I realize this is dangerously off-topic (mod me so if you feel so inclined) -- I just find it strange.

New words (1)

dragonhunter21 (1815102) | more than 3 years ago | (#35620364)

So is libre the new free-as-in-beer?

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