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High Performance Gaming Mice Don't Perform

CmdrTaco posted more than 3 years ago | from the but-you-spent-more dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "A new mouse performance speed-testing software has scientifically demonstrated that there is virtually no difference between the performance of expensive, high-end gaming mice and cheap laser office mice. The software, called Metalocity, is available for free download so you can test your own mice and confirm the empirical results for yourself. It also shows that the multi-button approach of the Razer Naga and WarMouse Meta increases user speed by up to 112 percent." Note that this report comes from someone who wants to sell you a $80 gaming mouse with a zillion buttons on it, so a grain of salt is required here. But the question is valid: are the expensive mice really worth anything?

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Of course they are. (0, Troll)

devxa (2027558) | more than 3 years ago | (#35637628)

I absolutely love my Logitech MX Revolution, which is in the same series as the previous great mouses MX 1000 etc. They are so much nicer and better to use than just some cheap office mices. On the other hand, I also have one Razer mouse that was supposedly good for gaming, but I like my MX Revolution more. Like usual expensive doesn't always mean great, but great mouses can get expensive. Likewise I love my Logitech G19 gaming keyboard with macro keys, led etc. It improves your usability a lot.

Re:Of course they are. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35637750)

I absolutely love my Logitech MX Revolution, which is in the same series as the previous great mouses MX 1000 etc. They are so much nicer and better to use than just some cheap office mices. On the other hand, I also have one Razer mouse that was supposedly good for gaming, but I like my MX Revolution more. Like usual expensive doesn't always mean great, but great mouses can get expensive. Likewise I love my Logitech G19 gaming keyboard with macro keys, led etc. It improves your usability a lot.

Astro-turf some more, puppet. Whatever you do, don't ever tell us what you didn't like about the product (and no, "greatness might be expensive!" doesn't count). That wouldn't please your masters. Of course it is total coincidence that the two products you most favorably mention are made by the same corporation. Yeah, uh huh.

Logitech: another company I won't ever buy anything else from ever again. C'mon corporate America. Keep showing me how underhanded you can be. It is good to know who cannot be trusted.

Re:Of course they are. (1)

wjousts (1529427) | more than 3 years ago | (#35637794)

I had an old Logitech mouse that I just replaced and I didn't realize how bad it was until I replaced it. My new cheapo mouse is much higher resolution and the middle button actually works!

Re:Of course they are. (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 3 years ago | (#35638058)

The basic Logitech optical mice (of the sort that you get with Dells for example) always suited me fine for gaming. I tend to play FPSes though rather than stuff like WoW where the extra buttons could make some sense.

Re:Of course they are. (1)

Randle_Revar (229304) | more than 3 years ago | (#35638206)

Yeah, I use a (thumb) trackball mostly, but a simple Logitech LX3 works for me when I want to play games that don't do well with the trackball. Of course playing Touhou doesn't need a mouse at all...

Re:Of course they are. (2)

v1 (525388) | more than 3 years ago | (#35638434)

I use an old microsoft (gasp!) trackball that rolls off the tongue with a model number x05-87475 [recycledgoods.com] . I use it because of the very high tracking speed on the trackball. Everything else I've bought since then would choke if I flitted the ball too fast. They either stop tracking at all until the ball slows down (or gets epilepsy) or they track backwards.

It's a big beaste too. But you have very little choice if you want a "right thumb" ball instead of a center ball. I'm amazed no one has made anything like it since then. While I've been looking, I keep running into gamers using this exact same model of trackball mouse for gaming, for exactly the same reason, all of them looking for anything like it. It's apparently the only high speed trackball to ever hit the market.

All these "laser mice" we read about, I tried one, and besides fleecing my wallet, it didn't help. I can't get used to moving the whole mouse, I'm used to just moving the ball. And I don't understand how you can do things like circlestraffe with a mouse since you quickly run out of desk space? I may yet get ambitious enough to take power tools to my pricey laser mouse gathering dust and see if I can turn it into a trackball.

Re:Of course they are. (1)

xouumalperxe (815707) | more than 3 years ago | (#35638366)

The basic Logitech optical mice (of the sort that you get with Dells for example) always suited me fine for gaming

I'll echo your experience. Before I switched to one of those newfangled oodles-of-buttons mouses, I used a run-of-the-mill Microsoft IntelliMouse Explorer 3 as my main gaming mouse. What it has over the most basic of basics is the two thumb buttons, and loving those buttons so much is what led me into the multi-button goodness (which I loved, up until I stopped playing WoW a month later, go figure). I never at any point felt that the mouse lacked accuracy or that the weight was off, or whatever else gaming mice are supposed to provide above regular ones.

Re:Of course they are. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35638086)

Anyone with a different opinion than me is clearly a corporate plant!

Re:Of course they are. (2)

wernercd (837757) | more than 3 years ago | (#35638228)

"Logitech: another company I won't ever buy anything else from ever again." What did I miss about Logitech? Cry about astro-turf all you want, but I have a G15 (original with 18 buttons), MX Revolutions and a wired headset that I absolutely love. I've used Logitech for years and have always been happy with their quality. Out of 4-5 different PS2 wireless joysticks, the Logitech one I had was the only one that worked worth shit. Same for my USB Joysticks. The items that I have used from Logitech have worked for ages and as promised... So again... what has Logitech done to get "Boycott" status? Sony. Apple. EA. Some companies that I try to steer clear of, and for good reason... but why Logitech?

Re:Of course they are. (1)

AstrumPreliator (708436) | more than 3 years ago | (#35638464)

I'm so glad /. is turning into wikipedia with its bullshit. Clearly if anyone says anything good about something that they bought they are a corporate shill. In fact, I am quite clearly a corporate shill for dozens of corporations because I like their products!

Re:Of course they are. (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 3 years ago | (#35638612)

IF you buy a microsoft mouse or a Dell mouse. you are buying Logitech...
Microsoft and Dell simply rebrand Logitech mice... yes... How you like dem apples.....

Re:Of course they are. (2, Funny)

Trracer (210292) | more than 3 years ago | (#35637776)

I shelled out and got me a setup that has the top (expensive) logitech stuff: G19 keyboard, G930 headset and the G700 mouse. It was the programmable macro keys (and the cordlessness of the mouse and headset) that sold me. Especially with the headset where I have a macro key as "push to talk" in teamspeak, so I can communicate with my pals while fixing a sandwich in the kitchen or (I usually don't announce this over comms) sit on the toilet...

The mouse fits my hand nicely has a nice rugged surface on the edges, has some nice macro keys and it can work both with the cord and cordless.

I mostly play Arma2 (fps/sim) and EVE Online (MMO) and the occasional Left 4 Dead 2 game.

Re:Of course they are. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35638608)

Ditto on your setup, except for the keyboard. G930 is useful, but the firmware is crap. G700 is unbeatable for a wireless mouse. Awful shape for finger grip though. Battery isn't fantastic either. TFS's er... claims might be true about corded gaming mice generally, but response/polling time (1ms on both for G700) is easily measurable in wireless gaming mice -- it's why most corded gamers refused to go wireless initially, because the perceptible delay was so damned frustrating.

Other stuff that makes the G700 awesome: no base, mini receiver, modular cord. That small receiver is super convenient for laptops. Cord is nice too, even if it's a little stiff.

Re:Of course they are. (1)

lennier1 (264730) | more than 3 years ago | (#35637780)

Glad I'm not the only one of that opinion. A mouse has to feel comfortable and offer the features a user needs during the daily work. In my case that's the tried and proven MX518 combined with a Gen1 G15.

Re:Of course they are. (1)

Ironhandx (1762146) | more than 3 years ago | (#35638060)

I'm a big fan of logitech products as well. I've had some bad experiences with them, but I bought their G7 wireless mouse years ago and found it better than all of the wired ones I had been using previously. I currently own 3 of them, the 8 year old one is still going strong but not in use anymore due to the coating wearing off and it looking very dirty no matter what I did in around year 5. After a year or so of the mouse the Logitech G15 came about, and I now have 3 of those as well, though two of them are spanish since they changed the keyboard and I couldn't find an english G15 first gen with 18 macro keys, the new ones have substantially less, with it topping out at 12 :(

Those two product lines I have had no problems with, but I have had problems with other Logitech products, so your mileage may vary.

Re:Of course they are. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35638088)

Likewise I love my Logitech G19 gaming keyboard

Really? Why? I hated the damn thing, worst keyboard I ever bought. Relies on external power, switch from external power to USB takes forever. The keys are too narrow (even compared to the other G-series products, talk about relearning muscle memory, yuck), the keyboard is too big (despite having narrower keys and less macro keys), you can't have a digital clock on that fancy gimmicky screen, the smooth/rubbery finish on the keys flake off, the drivers sucks and are bloatware, the G510 has more macro keys, the controls for the screen are annoying to use over to the left... I could go on and on. Why do you like it?

Re:Of course they are. (-1, Offtopic)

easyTree (1042254) | more than 3 years ago | (#35638388)

Battle of the astro-turfers or honest opinion? Only you, dear reader, can say.

Re:Of course they are. (1)

sweffymo (1760622) | more than 3 years ago | (#35638136)

I like my 4000 DPI gaming mouse a lot... It's not the interface and menu speeds that I care about. This test is absolutely worthless. I would have liked to see a test that tested acceleration (or hopefully lack thereof) and accuracy instead.

Re:Of course they are. (0)

easyTree (1042254) | more than 3 years ago | (#35638248)

I absolutely love my Logitech MX Revolution, which is in the same series as the previous great mouses MX 1000 etc. They are so much nicer and better to use than just some cheap office mices. On the other hand, I also have one Razer mouse that was supposedly good for gaming, but I like my MX Revolution more. Like usual expensive doesn't always mean great, but great mouses can get expensive. Likewise I love my Logitech G19 gaming keyboard with macro keys, led etc. It improves your usability a lot.

Isn't it traditional to procure astroturfing accounts months before they're needed so as to not attract attention?

I guess not :D

Re:Of course they are. (1)

nstlgc (945418) | more than 3 years ago | (#35638324)

I've had 2 Logitech MX Revolution mice. Each of them lasted about 6 months to a year, before they were unable to recharge again. Second one also had a very annoying bug where every so often a single click got interpreted as a double click. Extremely annoying. I can't believe you're peddling that crap here.

Yeah... (1)

adycarter (261257) | more than 3 years ago | (#35637682)

Gaming mice, bought and classed as the greatest thing ever by those same people that use gold plated martian ray proof AV cables!

The extra buttons ones I guess serve a purpose if you are incapable of using modifiers or are some kind of Octopi

Re:Yeah... (1)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 3 years ago | (#35637766)

Gold cables made a difference in the world of analog.
Whether or not you could actually hear the difference, is a different matter. (Probably not.)

Re:Yeah... (2)

chemicaldave (1776600) | more than 3 years ago | (#35637822)

The extra buttons ones I guess serve a purpose if you are incapable of using modifiers or are some kind of Octopi

There's always room for more buttons. When gaming there's no reason to devote dozens of keys to your left hand, and only two buttons to the right. Even just for general use, more buttons make for more a better experience. Ever try using an Apple mouse? Ever try using a mouse without a scroll wheel? It's a pain because we're used to more buttons.

Do yourself a favor. Go out and buy a mouse with extra thumb buttons, and don't look back.

Re:Yeah... (1)

adycarter (261257) | more than 3 years ago | (#35637860)

I've got one with 2 thumb buttons etc.

Its these bloody sideways keyboard things that the cool kids have that baffle me.

Re:Yeah... (1)

chemicaldave (1776600) | more than 3 years ago | (#35637998)

I've got one with 2 thumb buttons etc.

Its these bloody sideways keyboard things that the cool kids have that baffle me.

It wouldn't baffle you if you ever played an MMORPG. There are dozens, if not hundreds, of commands you can use. Being able to map the most common ones to your mouse keys makes playing the game that much more efficient, and really can "make or break" a battle.

Re:Yeah... (1)

adycarter (261257) | more than 3 years ago | (#35638106)

I play WoW, and reasonably well :(

My point was my mouse has 5 buttons and a wheel, with Ctrl, Alt and shift modifiers thats enough for me, I honestly dont think I have enough abilities to justify a squillion button mouse (L2P a non Paladin I guess), I guess my frugal mind looks at a 15 button mouse and thinks "Well I can do that with Modifiers and spend the ££s on food instead" rather than "Yay now I can avoid pressing modifiers OR bind 45 different things to my mouse hand!"

Different strokes for different folks I guess, much like the afforementioned magical AV cables.

Re:Yeah... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35638180)

You must rarely, if ever, step foot in Arena then.

Re:Yeah... (1)

adycarter (261257) | more than 3 years ago | (#35638226)

Not this season no, 2.2k back in S7 and S8. (Which admittedly is rather poor, but im a PVE hero)

Like I said, different strokes for different folks, or classes, I doubt I even have 15 abilities of note, even with specific targetted clense macros and stuff :/

Re:Yeah... (1)

Tridus (79566) | more than 3 years ago | (#35638352)

I'm playing a Holy Priest, and I've got one of those Logitech mice with 8 buttons. I use every single one, some of them with keyboard modifiers to get more out of them.

Raid healing with a lot of spells is faster the more you can click cast, and more buttons lets you use more spells that way. Course, Priests also have a lot more spells then Paladins with stuff like Leap of Faith. :)

Re:Yeah... (1)

adycarter (261257) | more than 3 years ago | (#35638404)

Very true, still we're a step up from the one button wonder we became in WOTLK!

Re:Yeah... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35638492)

I hate modifiers :( I don't know never got used to them, I preferred combo like fighter games, rarely in those games you press 2 buttons at once but a sequence and well it flows better in my mind if that makes sense, like when I'm in the zone it feel more like playing a piano but instead of music my toon runs all over the screen killing stuff in a fluid way........... muscle memory and everything seems natural....

While I played wow only time I used those was for out of combat things, still had all my skills bound just with stuff like f,g,z,x,c,v,b,/,q,e,r,t,y,h and only 2 button on my mouse. Well that's not true 100% I used shift + mouse scroll that's the only modifier I used in combat/fast paced situations. Can't wait for direct neural input :(

Re:Yeah... (1)

Ben4jammin (1233084) | more than 3 years ago | (#35638424)

Agreed. I have a Naga, and while I have no idea if it is faster/more accurate than other mice I can say having the extra buttons on the side makes a difference. I can hit them with my thumb and they correspond to the number keys. I play WOW and my dps went up about 10-12% by utilizing these buttons. I never have to look at my keyboard now and can dedicate my left hand for continuous movement and my right for aiming/attacking/special moves.

I haven't really found any other games that it is useful, but I would think it would be good in shooters as well.

Re:Yeah... (0)

firebat792 (2028112) | more than 3 years ago | (#35637888)

Well I find the extra buttons on my Naga to be pretty handy (pun intended) since I use them with my thumb, which would otherwise be idle. With the latest firmware updates I was also able to map hotkeys for different sensitivity levels, which is neat when you switch between sniper/runner builds in FPS.

Re:Yeah... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35638260)

His Steve Jobsness was right and people are too stupid to use mice properly. All hail his one button giving greatness!

Re:Yeah... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35638570)

The funniest ones are the people who spend $500 on a graphics card, when a $10 one can also show graphics on a monitor!

So let me get this straight... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35637712)

Gaming mice aren't as good at clicking through menus as their million button mouse? Doesn't it seem more relevant to test gaming mouse performance in games?

Performance? I'd rather worry about comfort (4, Insightful)

RogueyWon (735973) | more than 3 years ago | (#35637714)

Leaving aside for the moment the fact that TFA is actually a gratuitous piece of advertising fluff, which basically says "our competitors' products are rubbish so buy ours"... I've tried all kinds of mice over the years, including high-end Razer gaming mice and the like - and to be honest, I've never found that there's any kind of big, glaring performance difference. I think the most important thing with regard to mice is just to find one that you're comfortable with. For me, the Intellimouse Explorer 3 (but emphatically not the later versions) fits my hand well and has the right number of buttons positioned just where I want them, so I use that. It also has the advantage of being pretty cheap, which is handy since the wheel tends to gum up after 18 months or so in a way that I've never been able to fix, requiring periodic replacements. But at the end of the day, any "performance" differences are going to be pretty slim, so I'd just focus on getting something you're comfortable with and that supports your hand properly, to avoid joint pains later in life. The same goes for the keyboard - I've seen players with expensive gaming mice risk giving themselves all kinds of RSI by using keyboards which, through either sheer cheap-and-nastiness or plain old bad design, force their hands into all kinds of contortions.

Re:Performance? I'd rather worry about comfort (4, Funny)

eln (21727) | more than 3 years ago | (#35637800)

the wheel tends to gum up after 18 months

You may find keeping wet wipes on your desk and wiping your fingers off after every 10th Cheeto or so clears that problem up.

Re:Performance? I'd rather worry about comfort (4, Insightful)

Cederic (9623) | more than 3 years ago | (#35638024)

You may find that natural oils from your fingers pass on to your computing equipment and capture small dirt particles that eventually acrrue into visible/noticeable yuckiness that needs to be cleaned up.

Or you may wear gloves, or you may just not use any computing equipment intensely, or you may have someone else come and clean it regularly for you. The rest of us recognise that we need to clean our keyboards and mice from time to time.

18 months of handling before a mouse needs cleaning sounds extremely reasonable to me.

Re:Performance? I'd rather worry about comfort (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35638316)

If you're getting so much oil seeping into the scroll wheel that it stops working properly, there's a major problem with either the mouse or the hand controlling it. I've been using the same mouse going on 5 years now and I've opened it up to clean out dust maybe twice, neither of which were really necessary.

Re:Performance? I'd rather worry about comfort (1)

RogueyWon (735973) | more than 3 years ago | (#35638426)

Indeed - and the problem with the Intellimouse Explorer 3 is that despite quite a bit of prodding around, I've never found a way to open it up and clean the wheel-joints that doesn't actually break the thing.

Re:Performance? I'd rather worry about comfort (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35637828)

I'd agree that everyone should pick a mouse that they are comfortable with. That will be a different mouse for a lot of people. I play Quake Live. I would have a hard time giving up my razer deathadder. it only has 5 buttons on it nothing special but its the polling rate and dpi I appreciate. There a huge difference there.

CAD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35637720)

I have a multibutton mouse with macros that really shines when I do CAD actually. It was sold as a WoW specific mouse a while ago -- dropped the mmorpg, kept using the mouse. But I think it's more of a matter of having buttons available than how good the transducer is.

making mice out of men/women/babys (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35637734)

an interesting experiment, or just an ongoing process?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lSp-oIOhq00#at=55

It depends (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35637736)

On what you are buying it for.

If you are buying an expensive mouse because you think it will make you a l337 gaming god, then no. It won't do jack for you.

If you are buying an expensive mouse because it has better ergonomics than your cheap mouse and you want to reduce wrist strain, or if it has more buttons and you need or want that extra functionality, or if it has greater accuracy in movement and you need more precision, then yes. It will help you.

A mouse is a tool, like any other. Buy the tool most appropriate to your needs and desires. Don't buy one expecting it to make you a better USER of the tool.

Re:It depends (0, Offtopic)

d3ac0n (715594) | more than 3 years ago | (#35637804)

On what you are buying it for.

If you are buying an expensive mouse because you think it will make you a l337 gaming god, then no. It won't do jack for you.

If you are buying an expensive mouse because it has better ergonomics than your cheap mouse and you want to reduce wrist strain, or if it has more buttons and you need or want that extra functionality, or if it has greater accuracy in movement and you need more precision, then yes. It will help you.

A mouse is a tool, like any other. Buy the tool most appropriate to your needs and desires. Don't buy one expecting it to make you a better USER of the tool.

forgot to log in. That was me.^

Re:It depends (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35638054)

forgot to log in. That was me.^

Who cares?

Re:It depends (1)

d3ac0n (715594) | more than 3 years ago | (#35638196)

forgot to log in. That was me.^

Who cares?

I do. I take ownership of my comments.

Re:It depends (1)

Randle_Revar (229304) | more than 3 years ago | (#35638236)

I do, man. It really matters to me.

There are better and worse designs... (3, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 3 years ago | (#35637748)

In terms of things like ergonomics, number of buttons you can actually use/remap, etc. but the bottom line is that optical sensors have gotten pretty good, even at the low end.

It is true that the fancy laser stuff will let you mouse on surfaces where basic LED mice won't; but even laser diodes aren't all that costly, though they are used as a price discrimination feature.

Beyond mere ergonomic satisfaction, which is something of a matter of taste, and utility of extra buttons, which is a combination of taste and design, the only place that really dramatic differences jump out at you is with the wireless stuff. It is harder, though still entirely possible, to buy some really dire wireless mice. Slow refresh, shuts down to save power at the worst possible times and then spends 10 seconds waking up again, that sort of thing(and bluetooth? Pay double or insert dongle...)

For your basic rat on a string, though, it is hard to get too worked up about the differences between modern sensors.

No they're not (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35637754)

I have a Razer Mamba. A top tier wireless gaming mouse.
You know what? Its worse than my laptop's $30 logitech in just about every way. Battery life of ~2 days. Random dropouts when wireless. Randomly stops working when wired and wants to be restarted. The only thing it has going for it is its great looks and physical design quality. Is it worth 180 dollars vs 30? Absolutely not. Is it any better for gaming than my old microsoft mouse? Not at all.

Re:No they're not (1)

Skuto (171945) | more than 3 years ago | (#35638558)

So, we use one crappy example to draw a generic conclusion? Silly.

At best you can conclude that your particular mouse needs to be turned in for replacement, or that this is a very bad model (in which case one would hope reading enough reviews beforehand can avoid a bad purchase).

But some of them are good. The Logitech MX518 was mentioned here, and I second that. I used it until it was completely worn out. Now I have a G9x, and it's also good. They just work. Everywhere.

Never spend more... (1)

wjousts (1529427) | more than 3 years ago | (#35637770)

...than about $50 tops on a mouse. Personally, I wouldn't spend more than about $20. My latest mouse I got when I replaced my keyboard (because one of the feet had broken off), I got a mouse and keyboard combo for about $30.

It's not just about the sensor (4, Insightful)

zifn4b (1040588) | more than 3 years ago | (#35637778)

As an avid computer FPS gamer, I can tell that using a higher end mouse definitely makes a difference. I've used quite a few in my days, mostly Logitech. I currently use an MX518. However, let's say for the sake of argument that the sensors are not of higher quality and don't offer any higher DPI or sensitivity than their mainstream office counterparts. There are other aspects to gaming mice that are quite important. The ergonomic shape of the mouse. The placement of the buttons. The software that allows you to configure the sensitivity very specifically to your preferences. In some mice, you have the ability to add or remove optional weights to suit your specific style. All of these contribute to being able to fine tune your mouse to give you the optimal control that allows you aim more accurately and quickly than a typical mouse that does not have these features.

Re:It's not just about the sensor (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35637928)

I'm sorry, but it's bordering on the absurd to see what you guys are saying about dialing in sensitivity, adding weights and fine tuning your mouse.

Why am I picturing a bunch of fat, pasty white guys living in their mom's basement endlessly fiddling with their mice (ahem) in order to ... well, I have no idea what actually as I've never really gotten into FPS games.

You guys sound like cartoons. Reminds me of a very stupid TV show called Pure Pwnage [wikipedia.org] ... to be reminded that people are like this in real life ... well, it's kind of lame, actually.

Re:It's not just about the sensor (2)

Yamata no Orochi (1626135) | more than 3 years ago | (#35638084)

Why am I picturing a bunch of fat, pasty white guys living in their mom's basement endlessly fiddling with their mice (ahem) in order to ... well, I have no idea what actually as I've never really gotten into FPS games.

Because you're an asshole.

You're on slashdot making fun of people with technology-based hobbies?

What are some of your hobbies, I'm sure we can berate you over them in some fashion.

Re:It's not just about the sensor (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35638544)

bahaha you're quite the fuck. Hitting too close to home you forever alone asshole? Go play some wow while I plow my wife.

Re:It's not just about the sensor (1)

HaZardman27 (1521119) | more than 3 years ago | (#35638588)

Right, because no employed, functioning human being can have hobbies. Get over yourself.

Same for an office chair (3, Insightful)

captainpanic (1173915) | more than 3 years ago | (#35638326)

I'll explain my point by looking at chairs rather than mice first.

At some point, an office chair is good enough. It's got everything for a healthy working position.
Spend 4 times more money, and you will most definitely sit more comfortable... but the question we're answering here is: do you work harder with significantly less chance for injury? Maybe just a little. Probably no measurable difference.

I don't doubt for a moment that you get a nicer gaming experience with your MX518 mouse. The question in TFA was not whether you like it more, but whether you can click faster or more precise. The answer given in TFA is that you can't really.

It's about comfort and features for me. (1)

n1hilist (997601) | more than 3 years ago | (#35637806)

I love my Logitech MX1100R, it's an office mouse AFAIK, not really a gaming one, works great in gaming and standard use. Comfy, replaceable batteries and the extra 3 buttons are handy in some games. It was a bit pricey but I haven't looked back because it's so comfortable to use for extended periods.

Buying 'bling' mice to me personally, like "high performance gaming ram" is just stupid.

My personal experience (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35637816)

Owning and loving a Deathadder myself, I find the indisputable difference to be that if I were to try to game with an office mouse like the days of old, my hand would be vastly less comfortable. I've honed my skills around my hardware- and they have improved.

Re:My personal experience (1)

AndrewNeo (979708) | more than 3 years ago | (#35638372)

I love my Deathadder. I'm sure there's some performance difference over the old keyboard and mouse set I used to have, but my gaming mouse is a lot more comfortable, the scroll wheel clicks instead of spins (I'm used to not using it for games now, though) and it has the side buttons which I can't believe I lived without, before.

Excuse my french... (1)

richy freeway (623503) | more than 3 years ago | (#35637834)

But this has to be the biggest load of shit I've ever read on /.

Gaming mice in "no better than a normal mouse for non gaming tasks" shocker.

Sort it out /.

Not just gaming (1)

boondaburrah (1748490) | more than 3 years ago | (#35637854)

I don't know if that stupid radioshack logitech I had was just particularly bad, but when I got a "gaming mouse" It felt a lot better. Of course, I mostly use this mouse for photoshop. Where the logitech couldn't seem to sit still or move tiny amounts, the razer is fine. Also, extra buttons are very useful in photoshop for tool properties, etc.

of course, the Gold Plated USB with Gajillion Hz Polling is a little much.

As long as its usb and laser... (1)

noobermin (1950642) | more than 3 years ago | (#35637878)

Also, use mouse acceleration if you really care (not OS but in-game)

Re:As long as its usb and laser... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35638040)

If it's optical, the cameras are -not- all the same. Optical mice with great cameras work reliably on just about any surface. Some mice have issues on anything other than a particular color heavily textured surface. Those are annoying to use even in the office.

Re:As long as its usb and laser... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35638390)

Also, use mouse acceleration if you really care (not OS but in-game)

Hold on a minute, you're not supposed to use mouse acceleration in things like FPS games.

Gaming mice improved my accuracy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35637896)

For the longest time I had a MS Intellimouse. It was great, but for gaming on Counter Strike, or BF2 % BF: BC2, I always had to adjust the mouse sensitivity to aim better. My aim still sucked because the mouse would not "land" on the head all the time and I'd end up dying.

Eventually I splurged on a Razer Death Adder Mouse after hearing it's one of the good ones and I never looked back. My K:D ratio went up considerably just by the mouse.

However, my skills improved further when I bought a 'gaming' mouse pad, as well.

So gaming specific hardware does help, you have to research so you get what you pay for because there's a lot of crap out there.

Best mouse I've used (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35637918)

Was the Microsoft/Razer Habu. Cheap (picked one up for 30 quid), heavy, 7 buttons, nice looking. Unfortunately the switches wear out after ~6 months... otherwise they're perfect.

I like all the buttons (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35637922)

I don't really know about the speed or accuracy of mice, as personally I think it's all about the same. I did however buy a Razer Naga. 12 Keys on the side of a mouse is awesome for WoW. Not having to move your hand away from the w,a,s,d key area is a big advantage. If all you play are shooters I don't see the point in owning a fancy mouse.

Re:I like all the buttons (1)

halivar (535827) | more than 3 years ago | (#35638304)

When I play on my laptop at work, the thing I miss more than anything is my Razer Naga. Seriously the best mouse I've ever purchased. I only wish all Razer products were that high in quality: my Razer Lycosa often freaks out and ignores certain keys. Very annoying.

What really matters (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35637932)

I don't ever pay attention to stuff like DPI. Back when I was playing MMOs the most important thing to me was buttons on the mouse that I could remap. I ended up purchasing a Razer Naga and found it to be fantastic JUST because of those 12 buttons on the side... and I also like that it's corded. It's the first corded mouse I've bought in perhaps 8 years. It's not the most comfortable mouse I've used, but for MMOs its been a godsend. If you're not playing a game that would benefit from having multiple keys remapped then there's not much of a point in a high end mouse like this... and even if you are playing those types of games I'm sure you can get along fine without one if you wanted.

The most comfortable mouse I've ever used, hands down, was the old Logitech MX Revolution with the dial-looking thing where your thumb rests. I still have it, and keep both plugged in and switch back and forth depending on what I'm doing.

Maybe, maybe not. (2)

ultraexactzz (546422) | more than 3 years ago | (#35637956)

From a technical standpoint, looking at benchmarks and the like? It probably doesn't matter so much. The extra buttons certainly help, if the mouse is well-designed. But I'll tell you this - if I feel more confident because the mouse I'm using cost $80 instead of $20, then I'm going to play better. And that might be worth it.

Re:Maybe, maybe not. (4, Funny)

shird (566377) | more than 3 years ago | (#35638020)

I've got a mouse I can sell you for $80, or I can charge you more if you think it will help you play better.

Stupid study (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35637958)

It doesn't test the important part: quick acceleration.

If you take a low quality mouse and make a very quick wrist movement, the cursor will go crazy.
With a medium to high quality mouse, it will stick to your movements without problems.

Nice Advertisement (1)

Fieryphoenix (1161565) | more than 3 years ago | (#35637972)

But that's all it really is. This is the online equivalent of those newspaper ads where an Amish craftsman oh so tenderly puts the finishing touches on the wood cabinet of an electric fireplace, while the fireplace is inside and running.

Moreover, I don't recall ever buying a gaming mouse so that I could perform a "500-click series of randomly generated commands" in the fastest possible time. I buy them because of the control I get over the mouse motion, leading to smoothness and accuracy in pointing.

quick answer (1)

argStyopa (232550) | more than 3 years ago | (#35637994)

No.

"Gamer" versions of just about any peripheral pretty much guarantees that it's at least 200% overpriced, and absolutely not one iota of performance better than the standard generic version you can buy at Microcenter from the big bargain bin.

Evidence:
"Gamer" Headsets
"Gamer" Keyboard
"Gamer" network card
"Gamer" mousepad

The only positive reviews I've ever seen of this crap come from people who were given one as a freebie to "review".

Re:quick answer (1)

creat3d (1489345) | more than 3 years ago | (#35638282)

Yep, that's why I have a 25$ wireless keyboard/mouse combo for with my 1200$ rig. Description: "Note that this report comes from someone who wants to sell you a $80 gaming mouse with a zillion buttons on it, so a grain of salt is required here. But the question is valid: are the expensive mice really worth anything?" It's like they just took the results of the test and tagged an ad on it... and no, they're not worth anything over any other device. From TFA: "The speed tests also indicated that there was no correspondence between the expense of a mouse and its performance. In fact, the slowest laser mouse was not one of the low-end office mice, but a gaming mouse that retails for nearly $100. [...] The WarMouse Meta is now available for $79.99 for Windows and Linux-based operating systems and includes the Metalocity speedtest software."

Gaming mice are better. (1)

Zandamesh (1689334) | more than 3 years ago | (#35638002)

I've got an logitech MX518, had it for quite a while, and it's definitively better than your average office mice. The most noticeable difference I noticed between your average office mice and mine is that mine works on almost any surface. Only time it didn't work was when I tried to use it on an extremely shiny surface, that really surprised me. Other thing I like is about the MX518 is that it has extra "forward" and "backward" buttons, which I can use in firefox & explorer in windows, it's very useful, and I do think it speeds up my my mouse usage quite a bit.

I don't find it hard to believe that having more buttons on your mouse could speed up a lot of things, I mean we have 5 fingers on each hand, why should we be limited to only using two? or one for that matter? (I'm looking at you apple)

Re:Gaming mice are better. (1)

Dyinobal (1427207) | more than 3 years ago | (#35638122)

Ha I've the same mouse, I'm on my second one after I literally wore the pads off the first one from so much use. It's got to be my favorite mouse in the world, the only thing I don't like about it is the damn thing gets so dirty. More so than other mice it seems like.

Re:Gaming mice are better. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35638414)

...the only thing I don't like about it is the damn thing gets so dirty.

Wash your hands.

Oh, and since you probably fit the typical personality, take a bath and use deodorant while you are at it.

Yes, but raw tracking performance isn't the reason (2)

subreality (157447) | more than 3 years ago | (#35638052)

A good gaming mouse should have:

      * An ergonomic shape to hold for a couple hours at a time. I find that it works well to have a more arched shape for continuous use, instead of a flatter shape for reaching over to occasionally click something. Thumb rests are also popular.

      * Lots of buttons, in a convenient arrangement.

      * High resolution. Even if you don't want it to track fast, you want the tracking quantum to be small. For productivity apps, on the other hand, a larger quantum is nice to prevent it from accidentally moving.

There are also firmware differences. Ever notice how the LED goes dim when you're idling? That's a power saving strategy. It's actually just flashing it on occasionally to see if it's moved, then going back to sleep. Cordless productivity mice do this very aggressively, and you *will* miss that golden headshot opportunity if your mouse is idled down, since it won't start tracking again until the next flash - which can be as infrequent as once every couple seconds if you've been camping a while and it's gone into deep sleep.

TFA is measuring performance of speed clicking a bunch of icons. The mouse will never go to sleep in this scenario. If they tried another benchmark - like, hold still for 30 seconds and then click the icon as fast as you can - you will see some BIG differences, and gaming mice that don't go to deep sleep will win handily.

Bluetooth mice also gave wireless mice a bad name, and so a lot of gaming mice still have tails. The proprietary wireless interfaces are much less power hungry and respond so fast I can't tell the difference between my current midrange wireless mouse and the midrange corded one it replaced, other than no longer having the wire get tangled at inopportune moments.

Re:Yes, but raw tracking performance isn't the rea (4, Insightful)

kangsterizer (1698322) | more than 3 years ago | (#35638216)

notice how the LED goes dim when you're idling? That's a power saving strategy. It's actually just flashing it on occasionally to see if it's moved, then going back to sleep. Cordless productivity mice do this very aggressively, and you *will* miss that golden headshot opportunity if your mouse is idled down,

campers who are able to get their mouse to idle due to excessive camping are horrible, horrible gamers to play with anyway.

sorry, had to ;-)

It's really and engeneering tradeoff (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35638098)

The right sensor can make all the difference. Optical works great on some surfaces, laser works on those and a few more. Neither of those works particularly well on clear glass. I've recently stumbled on Logitech's darkfield technology. The darkfield mouse tracks perfectly on every surface I've tried it on, including glass.
On the other hand I haven't noticed a big difference in one optical mouse to another, or one laser to another, assuming your not buying the barebones cheap model.

Pretty simple, imo: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35638112)

Only difference I've ever noticed is that the expensive mice tend to break and need replacing every ($WARRANTY_PERIOD + 1) months, whereas the cheap stuff last twice as long.

Only real perfomance test was the ESR Mouse Score (5, Informative)

yakumo.unr (833476) | more than 3 years ago | (#35638142)

There has still never been a better mouse performance review than the ESR Mouse Score.

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1265679 [esreality.com]

results comparisons : http://www.esreality.com/?a=longpost&id=1265679&page=21 [esreality.com]

He later reviewed the original Razer Deathadder and ran it through the same tests here :

http://www.esreality.com/index.php?a=longpost&id=1300293&page=4 [esreality.com]

But sadly I'm not aware of him doing any later tests, I would really love to see him do an ESR MouseScore 2011

Genetic engineered mice (1)

j00r0m4nc3r (959816) | more than 3 years ago | (#35638244)

No surprise. Pinky and The Brain couldn't ever perform either...

My experience (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35638284)

First I used a normal office mouse. Then I used a $40 mouse, without noticing much of a change. Then after a year, I tried using a normal mouse again. I couldn't, it was just to heavy and slow.

True story. Using a $40 mouse has cost me the ability to use a normal mouse.

These tests doesn't prove anything (2)

Atrika (2028132) | more than 3 years ago | (#35638338)

There is only one way to find out about the quality of a gaming mouse and it is to play with it. My gaming mouse is comfortable, fast and has a lot of buttons which are all bound and used. The adjustable DPI allows me to quickly swith from a sniper sensitivity to a tank pilot sensitivity. My G500 also has hyper-fast scrolling which is useful to find specific pages in huge documents or doing funny moves in games. Furthermore, I usually browse the web without touching my keyboard. DON'T PLAYER HATE ON ME

Gaming mice better for MMO (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35638362)

Gaming mice with "zillion" buttons are better for MMOs because those games tend to have "zillion" abilities to manage. The naga is too small for my hands but I would love to upgrade my MX518 to something with more buttons

When I'm playing a FPS or RTS then, no, gaming mice arent better

Logitech MX510 - best mouse I have ever owned. (1)

metalgamer84 (1916754) | more than 3 years ago | (#35638364)

Ive had this mouse for almost 8 years now, I bought it new in late 03 or early 04, cant remember exactly. I still use it to this day as my main gaming mouse. I play mostly FPS, RTS, RPG's and its performed great for them all. If this one ever stops working I plan on going with a MX518 as its the same shape and design.

Re:Logitech MX510 - best mouse I have ever owned. (1)

Skuto (171945) | more than 3 years ago | (#35638630)

The G9x has a similar shape and design if you use the "big" cover. I used it to replace my MX510 after it wore out completely.

You can argue that a G9x doesn't add much over an MX518 for the price, but then again, 60 bucks for critical computer equipment that lasts 7 years? What a bargain!

I buy what works for me (and it's a gaming mouse) (1)

Golden_Rider (137548) | more than 3 years ago | (#35638420)

I admit that I own a "gaming mouse". No, actually I own three of them, one for each of my computers at home. It's simply because the mouse that I found to work best for me happens to be the Logitech G5 (which now has been succeeded by the G500). The shape, the weight and the surface texture are all very nice, and unlike the less expensive mice, the "gliders" at the bottom are very large and the optical sensor works on pretty much every surface I tried it on. I just like it, and I think that when it comes to an input device you use all day long, you should buy something you really like instead of saving $30 and then being annoyed for years until you buy the next mouse.

High Performance Gaming Mice Don't Perform (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35638422)

They've taught mice to play games, and they're complaining that they're not good enough? What's next, talking dogs only able to speak french?

Glide and resolution (1)

DrKnark (1536431) | more than 3 years ago | (#35638466)

Personally I use a Razer Abyssus, which is cheap and has no extra buttons. However, the resolution allows me to have very high sensitivity and still have great control (Sure, FPS guys swear by low sensitivity, but I play mostly RTS). This way I can reach everywhere on the screen while only using my wrist.

Another big difference for me was putting teflon feet on the mouse and using it on a hard plastic mouse mat. With good glide everything just feels so much easier to me. I also feel much less strain in my wrist. This really can't be described, you have to try it to really know what I mean.

All this combined feels like a big improvement when I'm working as well, having to use a mouse that at max pointer speed is still slow really annoys me now.

Of course it's different from person to person what you like, this setup is ideal for me.

Multi-button mouse on Linux (1)

dargaud (518470) | more than 3 years ago | (#35638482)

For those who'd like to configure a multi-button mouse on Linux, it can be tricky. I have a little writeup here [gdargaud.net] for 2 models. Hmmm, server seems to be down at the moment...

Not a valid study! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35638496)

The article is absolutely NOT valid when we are talking about gaming. What does a test "designed to measure the actual performance of one mouse versus another when utilizing point-and-click interfaces" have ANYTHING to do with a game?

The reason why gaming mice perform much better in games is because of the DPI or scanning speed of the surface the mouse sits on, not because you can click faster. There's no way that a Dell laser mouse with a 400 dpi scan will track better than my G5 at 2000 dpi or a 5700 dpi R.A.T. 7.

Not too surprising really. (1)

Swaziboy (1457667) | more than 3 years ago | (#35638516)

With modern mice the whole laser accuracy thing shouldn't be too much of a revelation I guess. I recently shelled out for a Rat-7 on special which I am very happy with - not because I can shoot bad guys from the opposite side of the map with my sniper rifle because of 3 levels of laser accuracy - but because of the ergonomics of the thing. As someone said above, most peripherals are over-priced, and this one wasn't any exception - the difference is I was happy to fork out the extra $$ to get a comfortable peripheral that didn't leave my hand paralysed after 4 hours of COD.
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