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Case Closed On Jerusalem UFO Video

timothy posted more than 3 years ago | from the no-border-incursion-after-all dept.

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astroengine writes "Skepticism was high after videos surfaced earlier this year depicting a UFO over Jerusalem. However, ufologists defended the sighting, dismissing claims that it was a hoax. But a few days ago, the Mutual UFO Network (MUFON), one of the oldest, largest, and most respected UFO investigation organizations in the world, announced their findings about the Jerusalem UFO. Yes, even MUFON has concluded it was a hoax."

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Carl Sagan (5, Interesting)

errandum (2014454) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684086)

Everyone should read this book: A demon haunted world by Carl Sagan

Every era has had their share of unexplained phenomena. Before UFO's there were demons, beasts, witches, etc. The current myth-of-the day is UFO's.

(And I'm not saying they don't exist, just that there might be a simpler reason for all these sightings) :)

Re:Carl Sagan (2, Informative)

errandum (2014454) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684112)

*The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark by Carl Sagan, Ann Druyan

That's the complete title

Re:Carl Sagan (1)

oakwine (1709682) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684272)

This is indeed an excellent book. Highly recommended.

Re:Carl Sagan (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35684562)

If he's so smart how come he couldn't cure himself?

Re:Carl Sagan (4, Insightful)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684392)

Every era has had their share of unexplained phenomena. Before UFO's there were demons, beasts, witches, etc. The current myth-of-the day is UFO's. (And I'm not saying they don't exist, just that there might be a simpler reason for all these sightings)

So what you're saying is that fallen angels have adopted modern stories to continue their nightly activities? I wonder why they shifted from being succubuses to doing anal probes.

Re:Carl Sagan (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35684468)

They've *always* done anal probes. In earlier times it just wasn't acceptable to mention it (*)

(*) except in Greece :)

Re:Carl Sagan (1)

Antisyzygy (1495469) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684508)

Methinks succubi always DID anal probes. Its part of the whole convincing you to commit the sin of sodomy thing.

Re:Carl Sagan (2)

syousef (465911) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684590)

Methinks succubi always DID anal probes. Its part of the whole convincing you to commit the sin of sodomy thing.

Actually it's the incubus that is the male

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incubus [wikipedia.org]

Re:Carl Sagan (1, Informative)

Antisyzygy (1495469) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684602)

Re:Carl Sagan (0)

jdpars (1480913) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684676)

Relevant, informational, but I regret it.

Re:Carl Sagan + Assasins Creed 3 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35684702)

Well the idea of the ancient astronaut theory is that these angels were just astronauts from another world. It could be humans who made earth the way it is by creating us in their image, it could be time travelers, and it could be beings that we haven't ever seen before. At the very least, it makes a great Assassins game.

Re:Carl Sagan (1)

Low Ranked Craig (1327799) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684782)

What has this to do with Daniel Tosh?

Re:Carl Sagan (1)

BenSnyder (253224) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684414)

I was going to say the same thing. I'm reading it now and it's kinda hard to take any alien stuff seriously after he gets done making the comparisons between it and the things people described demons doing during the Inquisition.

Re:Carl Sagan (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35684686)

Unless, of course, the angels and demons seen in history actually were aliens.

Re:Carl Sagan (2)

realityimpaired (1668397) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684720)

Right... because an alien race capable of surviving without blowing itself up, and then advancing their science to the point that they're capable of building ships that can travel the vast distances between stars or galaxies within the lifespan of an individual has nothing better to do with their spare time than practice fetishism on hicks who've spent one too many cold nights cuddling up to the cows.

Re:Carl Sagan (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35684434)

I love that book, and I've seen a UFO

Re:Carl Sagan (1, Flamebait)

blair1q (305137) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684478)

The current myth-of-the day is UFO's.

UFOs were a lot bigger until about ten years ago.

The current myth is that Terrorists are out to get you.

Re:Carl Sagan (1)

blair1q (305137) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684534)

And Fox News is news.

Re:Carl Sagan (1)

Antisyzygy (1495469) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684504)

There is, more likely than not, intelligent alien life out in the beyond-our-comprehension fucking massive universe. However, I seriously doubt they have visited Earth. More likely, UFO's are experimental aircraft from one of the world's governments, some anomaly such as ball-lightning, etc, or just a hoax.

Re:Carl Sagan (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35684542)

You know that Carl Sagan wasn't an actual person, right?

Re:Carl Sagan (1, Insightful)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684544)

Before UFO's there were demons, beasts, witches, etc. The current myth-of-the day is UFO's.

Ah, I see what you did there. Demons and witches are imaginary, so UFO's must be too. Sagan was a smart guy, but I don't see why his application of pop-psychology to the matter has any weight.

Here's a US Army Colonel who contradicts [aolnews.com] Sagan:

The evidence he speaks of includes the hard data of sensor technology that has frequently confirmed the reality of physical craft and the high quality of extremely reliable eyewitnesses who are "neither misreporting facts nor delusional."

Re:Carl Sagan (2)

syousef (465911) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684626)

Sagan was a smart guy, but I don't see why his application of pop-psychology to the matter has any weight.

Popular or not the pyschology is not only plausible, it's been demonstrated. Sagan doesn't just write pop psych nonsense - he gives plenty of very strong evidence of actual historical events including the Salem witch trials. Have you read the book? Or are you just talking smack?

Re:Carl Sagan (1)

rcamans (252182) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684554)

Te current myth oof the day is the gov can do good...

Re:Carl Sagan (1)

syousef (465911) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684572)

Everyone should read this book: A demon haunted world by Carl Sagan

Every era has had their share of unexplained phenomena. Before UFO's there were demons, beasts, witches, etc. The current myth-of-the day is UFO's.

(And I'm not saying they don't exist, just that there might be a simpler reason for all these sightings) :)

Agreed!!!! One of my favourite books of all time. Should be required reading early in highschool.

Re:Carl Sagan (1)

Evi1M4chine (2029370) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684592)

And I thought the current mystical beast would be "terrorists".
Or is it "radical atheistsâ already? (As Newt Gingrich put it.)

Re:Carl Sagan (4, Interesting)

Seumas (6865) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684604)

Agreed. It is entirely reasonable to accept that there could be aliens. Though a stretch, I could even accept that they might know of our existence and even have been here at some point. What I can't tolerate are the idiots that try to convince the world of their existence and "research" them with a respect for the scientific process and logic that falls somewhere between the mix of paranormal investigators and pseudo-science Coast to Coast AM nutjobs. It's like idiots walking around with an EMF reader saying that there must be paranormal activity in your house, because of fluctuating EMF readings (what evidences has there ever been that one is directly related to the other, for example).

It's not the possibilities that offend me. It's the lack of logic and the embracing of the illogical, which does. They're not any different than nutjobs to employ "faith" as their form of reasoning in any named religion. Except, instead of pointing to a bible as their "evidence", they point to meaningless photos and videos and other unverifiable reports.

Re:Carl Sagan (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35684716)

(And I'm not saying they don't exist, just that there might be a simpler reason for all these sightings)

A simpler reason than "There might be aliens that come by now and then"?

Hell, that seems way simpler than something like "low flying planes reflect light on ice crystals in cumulo-cirrus-nimbus clouds in a pattern that shapes into a saucer" or "swamp gas interacts with chemical Z to fire up a bright flare every 2.6 seconds".

The day that we get proper footage... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35684092)

The day that clear, non-shakey footage of a UFO lands on the internet is a day that I look forward to. I love the idea of aliens, but this was one of the worst hoaxes I've seen.

Re:The day that we get proper footage... (1)

errandum (2014454) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684172)

The day that happens you'll have everyone saying "it's really good CGI!!!"

I'll rephrase that. The day I see a UFO, that's a day I look forward too. Other than that or a mass invasion, I can't see it happening...

Re:The day that we get proper footage... (1)

robbak (775424) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684340)

The problem is that if any of us saw a UFO, we would instantly recognise it as Venus. Or Jupiter, the moon,a transcontinental jet, group of fire balloons. .....
       

Re:The day that we get proper footage... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35684196)

The day that clear, non-shakey footage of a UFO lands on the internet is a day that I look forward to. I love the idea of aliens, but this was one of the worst hoaxes I've seen.

Psh it'll be dismissed as cgi so fast you won't even hear the woosh!

Re:The day that we get proper footage... (2)

Technician (215283) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684212)

I agree. The city is full of security cameras, full of air defense, and not one of the non tourists with a video camera saw and recorded anything. Unfortunately I have not seen any security camera video of the area showing nothing happened at the same time. I was expecting one to surface, but that too has been absent.

Re:The day that we get proper footage... (1)

INeededALogin (771371) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684330)

Unfortunately I have not seen any security camera video of the area showing nothing happened at the same time. I was expecting one to surface, but that too has been absent.

The day we start responding to obvious hoaxes is the day the terrorists win. Seriously, why should the govt waste our money on proving that the video someone took is fake. I'm all for the search for life, but chasing down youtube videos in search of it is a huge waste of time.

Re:The day that we get proper footage... (3, Insightful)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684394)

That right there is the best evidence against.

We've seen a geometric explosion of people carrying camera equipped gadgets all day every day, and still we get points of light against a black background.

So many of the anecdotal accounts describe up close encounters, huge ships hovering 50 feet off the ground or drifting slowly about in no particular hurry to hide or escape detection, all sorts of details visible. Where the phonecam shots of those? Huh? Huh? Huh? Yeah, I thought so.

And, hey, although a hard core skeptic, I would *LOVE* a real photo of an alien ship. The world could do with the punch in the crotch of that magnitude.

Re:The day that we get proper footage... (1)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684422)

They exist, but sadly haven't given us any more answers. For example, the 2004 Mexico incident. The Mexican government says they were UFOs. CNN had live video as it was happening. You can find the video on YouTube.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3707057.stm [bbc.co.uk]

Or the Phoenix Lights. I've seen tons of video of the lights themselves, which remain unexplained. I've also seen video during the Phoenix Lights when a large mass covers the sky and blankets out the stars.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Lights [wikipedia.org]

In both cases, you had government agencies openly confirmed the incident as unexplainable phenomena, and both incidents were well documented. But what can you say other than that you don't have any explanation?

Re:The day that we get proper footage... (2)

dave420 (699308) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684578)

The Mexico incident has been thoroughly debunked. They are the flames of oil platforms [alcione.org] , being picked up by an IR camera. No mystery there.

As for the Phoenix lights, the second wave have been explained (flares), and the lack of an verifiable explanation for the first wave doesn't mean they were exotic aircraft/spaceships/time-travelling reptilians. Fuck, migratory birds flying in formation cause massive illuminated Vs gliding silently across towns and cities all the time. The human propensity to see structure where there is none quickly extrapolates points of light into solid structures is well-documented, and has not been ruled out at all.

Re:The day that we get proper footage... (1)

Seumas (6865) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684620)

Well, the mexican government confirms a "UFO" (something unidentified; not something alien). So it must be legitimate! After all, everything the government asserts is real. Like that van-bomber around xmas in Portland. That . . . you know . . . didn't have a bomb. And was egged on by the government to drive a van full of sawdust to Pioneer Courthouse Square.

Re:The day that we get proper footage... (1)

blair1q (305137) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684526)

It will immediately be rejected as being unrealistic. Who sets up a camera, sets it to a stable angle, and gets a nicely-framed shot of an unexpected phenomenon? Even people who think a UFO hoax will work have enough foresight to realize that they have to make the footage look accidental.

There's also the implication that if the camera is moving that fast it's impossible to composite the UFO into it; thus it must be really in the space it appears to occupy.

Frankly, faking things on film has gotten damn near perfect. Footage won't suffice, even if it's of a real E.T. spacecraft or Bigfoot. It's going to take real-time interaction, with people we trust to be skeptical doing the play-by-play with their own eyes on the object.

Bummer (1)

Voulnet (1630793) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684094)

Awww....

Respected? (2)

No Lucifer (1620685) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684098)

"one of the oldest, largest, and most respected UFO investigation organizations in the world"

World's tallest midget, and all that.

Re:Respected? (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35684174)

If "The Onion" is "America's Finest News Source" then MUFON gets to call itself the most respected UFO investigation organization. Hell they're more respected than Fox News..... Bad example.

Re:Respected? (1)

gringofrijolero (1489395) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684356)

Hell they're more respected than Fox News...

Well they're not afraid to print the truth! They're second only to Al Jazeera.. or the New Yorker.. I always get those two mixed up

Re:Respected? (1)

uncanny (954868) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684402)

Well, it just says MOST respected, so sure, they are a bunch of losers, but they are the cream of the loser crop!

Slashdot (5, Funny)

OverlordQ (264228) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684100)

Where non-news confirmed to be non-news is news.

Re:Slashdot (1)

l0ungeb0y (442022) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684164)

The confirmation of a suspected hoax is news, unless of course are you all in favor of keeping the debunking secret in order to propagate the hoax.

Re:Slashdot (3, Funny)

OverlordQ (264228) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684194)

It was already debunked, this is just a debunking of the bunk of the debunking of the hoax.

Re:Slashdot (1)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684418)

Ah, that's bunk. No, wait... er...

Re:Slashdot (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35684312)

And probably stolen from a three day old Reddit posting.

Re:Slashdot (3, Insightful)

syousef (465911) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684730)

Where non-news confirmed to be non-news is news.

The news is: This UFO hoax is so lame even UFO nutters rejected it!

Typical (3, Insightful)

geekoid (135745) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684116)

'UFO'* video appears.
Some people offer rational explanation.
People who believe it's a UFO say nu-uh.
Rational people put forth rational explanation
People who believe it's a UFO say nu-uh.
People accept it's a hoax.
At no point the people who believe in UFOs think that maybe if the last 100 sighting were incorrect, then may the idea we are being visited is wrong.

*for the sake of this post UFO means alien visitation.

Re:Typical (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35684280)

Uh.. I think you forgot to read even the headline. Lots of people that believe in UFOs didn't say "nu-uh." Instead they investigated, found that it was likely a hoax, and moved on to more interesting cases. There are some good investigators and some very good cases out there. The problem is whenever the investigators put together the cases (that were often assembled along with scientists,) most "rational people" just respond, "nu-uh."

Re:Typical (1)

Antisyzygy (1495469) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684532)

To be fair, my father served in the Airforce underneath a Colonel who was friendly with him. This Colonel said specifically he had knowledge of certain things like missile guidance systems, stealth, etc. that were taken from alien technology. Apparently this tech was taken from various accidents (not Roswell BTW). But then again, as a math grad student, I know logic enough to admit its a friend-of-a-friend type of thing. The funny thing is, my dad is a realist and does not fall for crap. Hes the first to admit that it may be bullshit. I think the Colonel probably was having some fun with his subordinates.

Re:Typical (1)

rcamans (252182) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684566)

Why would intelligent life visit earth? There's no intelligent life here for them to visit...

MUFON is a well-known disinformation campaign (1, Interesting)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684132)

It's where the CIA boys put their effort after Project Blue Book.

UFO's are not interplanetary extraterrestrials.

They are supernatural manifestations associated with the metaphysical obsessions of the power-elite.

Re:MUFON is a well-known disinformation campaign (1)

dave420 (699308) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684682)

I hope that was a joke. I really, really do.

Here is the newzzzzz... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35684136)

Must be a slow day

What a shock! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35684138)

No not really.

Why do they get the "final say"? Who cares? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35684190)

Why should we wait until a UFO organisation decides what the videos were? It was obvious they were hoaxes, and furthermore video evidence made it apparent that the videos doubled the edges around the frames to allow for the edition of the shaky cam effect. Who cares that some "ufologists" continued to defend it? They defend just about any UFO claim, no matter how ridiculous or how thoroughly debunked.

MUFON is not respected. (2, Interesting)

unity100 (970058) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684198)

A lot of shady dealings and ongoings go about in MUFON's affairs in local level. This has been the discussion of ufology circles in usa numerous times. MUFON has ceased being a reliable organization since a long while.

i dont know where did the article pull that 'reliable' wordage from.

Actually it goes without discussing that cia/nsa any other agency has started to infiltrate mufon looong looong ago as a policy - way too dangerous to be let loose.

If you argue otherwise, i would like to remind you the black ops divide and conquer operation cia mounted to effect wikileaks breakaway :

http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/02/10/1243211/Secret-Plan-To-Kill-Wikileaks-With-FUD-Leaked [slashdot.org]

things like these are commonplace in intelligence world since last 150 years.

Re:MUFON is not respected. (4, Funny)

hondo77 (324058) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684224)

Did you actually just use the word ufology with a straight face?

Re:MUFON is not respected. (1)

unity100 (970058) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684386)

yes i did. and the problem with that is ?

Re:MUFON is not respected. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35684644)

Oh, I don't know, that it's fucking ridiculous perhaps? You sound like a stoner who just picked up the X-Files box set. "Oh MUFON can't be trusted, they've been infiltrated by the CIA!" Yeah, because they were so fucking reliable in the first place. The best argument you can come up with to support your irrational belief is "look at what they tried to do to Wikileaks" and you expect to be taken seriously? Take your fucking medication and shut the fuck up. Or don't and assume that I'm just another "agent" working to discredit the fine, respectable field of "ufology" like the crazy, superstitious fucktard that you are.

Re:MUFON is not respected. (0)

unity100 (970058) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684790)

come back again when you learned to talk properly. see, i am a 'fucktard' who believes in such 'shit', and you, are, apparently, someone who purports 'empirical objective science' against that, yet, you end up being the witless piece of shit who broke into ranging from crazy to fucking to fucktard in wordage.

why so serious ?

why that angst, if you are following empirical objective science ?

let me break it down to your thick mind :

There is unexplained phenomenon. this means, THERE IS UNEXPLAINED PHENOMENON.

period. and audieu.

Re:MUFON is not respected. (2, Interesting)

dave420 (699308) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684724)

It's a bullshit term, used to describe a wide-range of lunatic, misguided, or ignorant folks, with no agreed-upon meaning, who have so far managed to demonstrate absolutely nothing useful at all. If you don't realise that word is a joke, you're in too deep to be helped.

Re:MUFON is not respected. (2)

_Sprocket_ (42527) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684268)

I am shocked, shocked I tell you, to find someone sticking Wikileaks and UFOs together without a hint of irony or humor.

Re:MUFON is not respected. (1)

dave420 (699308) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684304)

You're hilarious. Seriously. "Ufology" is a fucking joke. There has been absolutely no solid evidence for anything UFO-based, just conjecture backed by wishful thinking and a fanciful take on critical thinking. You provide a great example by posting a link about alleged CIA plan to destroy Wikileaks. That has nothing to do with MUFON. Nothing. Not one iota. Just because something somewhat similar has happened before does not mean claims it has happened again somehow have more credibility. That is not how critical thinking works. "Put up or shut up". The ball is solidly in the "Ufologists" court, as it always has been without exception. "Ufologists" are a dangerous mix of the ignorant, the paranoid, and the insane. The single common thread is a complete lack of willingness to accept reality for what it is, instead replacing demonstrable fact with whatever fantasy they want to believe, and treating them as of equal veracity. Hint: The X-Files was not a documentary.

Re:MUFON is not respected. (1)

maxume (22995) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684334)

The fun thing is that the Air Force really did have a program to keep track of unidentified flying objects (they wanted to know about it if anyone got a good look at a secret plane).

Re:MUFON is not respected. (1)

unity100 (970058) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684426)

project bluebook is just the public relations face of the issue. there has been other things, yet unclassified to this date. cia even mounted remote viewing experiments - total paranormal phenomenon. yet, it wasnt known until someone broke the news out.

Re:MUFON is not respected. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35684470)

Because it was embarrassing and wasteful, not because it's some super secret that they needed to keep from the populace lest they rise up and whatever.

Re:MUFON is not respected. (1)

unity100 (970058) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684588)

it doesnt matter how you feel about it or what you or public thinks about it. main point, is below - im requoting from another reply :

the important point is, something like remote viewing was undertaken. im not even talking about LSD being a product of cia.

the point is - intelligence agencies do FAR more than things that are at the level of suppressing any talk/evidence of anything they do not like to be known.

Re:MUFON is not respected. (1)

dave420 (699308) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684484)

The remote-viewing attempts yielded absolutely no useful results. So far *nothing* paranormal has ever been substantiated in any way, shape, or form.

Re:MUFON is not respected. (1)

unity100 (970058) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684576)

the important point is, something like remote viewing was undertaken. im not even talking about LSD being a product of cia.

the point is - intelligence agencies do FAR more than things that are at the level of suppressing any talk/evidence of anything they do not like to be known.

Re:MUFON is not respected. (1)

dave420 (699308) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684622)

"At the level of"? What does that mean? Oh, right - nothing. You are guessing. Let me translate: "Agencies to weird things, so therefore they are capable of doing anything I can think of, and even more than that, because I don't differentiate between guesswork and reality, that means they are doing it". Awesome. The remote-viewing debacle was grasping at straws - they thought if it could work, it was worth the effort to try to get it to work. As it is, they failed massively, and not a single reported incidence of remote viewing working has ever occurred, which is strange, as there is untold wealth and fame for anyone who can demonstrate such abilities. You seem to be under the impression the US government is perfectly infallible, making no errors and capable of incredible feats in their on-going, entirely-successful campaign of information dominance. Which if was true, you (and all the folks who talk of such nonsense) would be dead by now. But you're not. So you're full of shit.

Re:MUFON is not respected. (1)

unity100 (970058) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684772)

you have got the initial point well, however you are unable to get past that point in regard to cognitive abilities. moreover, you ended your argument coarsely and rudely. let me do the same :

we will discuss about this if you ever straighten up your attitude in regard to the people you are debating against.

Re:MUFON is not respected. (1)

dave420 (699308) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684458)

Yup. I know about that. That does not, for one second, mean that any "craft" so highly exotic ever existed, or has ever been recorded. They were entirely concerned with the integrity of their airspace, and not with aliens or other such bullshit.

Re:MUFON is not respected. (1, Interesting)

unity100 (970058) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684412)

yees. there has been absolutely 'no solid evidence' for anything ufo-based. and those who came up with anything related to ufos, used to disappear in united states of a.

maybe that was why there has been absolutely 'no solid evidence' for anything ufo based ?

and, despite the fact that 5 major countries of the world has had released ufo files, with a lot of unexplained, official cases, the only one who still did not do so, and discouraging any talk related to ufos, is still united states of america ?

let me tell you one thing - you go and explain all the unexplained cases in the official secret service ufo files britain, france, russia had released, and then come talk to me about fucking 'absolutely' evidence.

your stupid sarcasm about 'x files' and whatnot, are misplaced in the wake of this.

no - explain ALL the unexplained cases in minimum of these 3 countries' released files, and i will shut up. and no - i wont accept random whats-his-name from random private think thank in united states of a calling absurd things 'balloons' as explanation either.

yes. i am talking about ufos, with a straight face. because, i cannot be a moron to the extent of cockily discounting unexplained observations without leaving a fucking armchair in a random university office and doing field study and observations first.

Re:MUFON is not respected. (1)

dave420 (699308) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684510)

Thanks for proving my point. It's not up to the sceptics to demonstrate how the case files are not actual real UFOs, it's up to the believers to show how they are. So far that has not happened. Not even once. You are attempting to explain the unexplained without evidence. That's childish beyond belief. Carl Sagan's ghost would throttle you in your sleep for such specious reasoning. Your "logic" that because no one has said anything means that something is going unsaid is ridiculous. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Do you even know what "critical thinking" is? Apparently not. Shame.

Re:MUFON is not respected. (1, Insightful)

unity100 (970058) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684752)

Thanks for proving my point. It's not up to the sceptics to demonstrate how the case files are not actual real UFOs, it's up to the believers to show how they are.

we are not in a courtroom. this is not how science works and mankind gains new knowledge :

if there is an unexplained phenomenon, interested researchers bring explanations and hypothesis for that phenomenon. when someone brings proof, the hypothesis moves forward.

unexplained phenomenon means, unexplained phenomenon. that means, the skeptics did not provide anything to disprove the existence of that phenomenon in an acceptable manner either.

Re:MUFON is not respected. (1)

Attila Dimedici (1036002) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684448)

MUFON has ceased being a reliable organization since a long while.

You mean, when they were founded?

Re:MUFON is not respected. (0)

unity100 (970058) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684466)

you are marked as a right wing extremist/troll in my book. then, tell me - should i or should i not waste any time replying to you ? your choice.

Re:MUFON is not respected. (1, Insightful)

clang_jangle (975789) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684696)

People are not right-wingers because they don't believe in UFOs (or the Easter Bunny, etc). The poster who told you earlier that the burden of proof is on the "ufologists" has it right. Being skeptical is the *reasonable* position; your position appears to be extremely unrealistic. Please don't live your life according to silly beliefs, instead work to find more solid truth based on real facts and work from there. Belief-driven people are a big problem on this planet, you know...

Re:MUFON is not respected. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35684802)

Ya know, Chris Carter's 'The X-Files' was a really great show, I loved it and am still a big fan...but Carl Sagan's 'Cosmos' was even better, because it was educational and not simply entertainment.

Incidentally, a guy I knew was a UFO fanatic. He would tell anyone with a pulse that "aliens are here and they're hostile!!!!1111", and he used to invite me 'round to his apartment to watch various loonie-tunes "UFO documentaries".

One day he played a video recording he'd made of a show aired the previous night. It was one of those 'point-counterpoint'-type efforts, where "believers" were pitted against skeptics, which included the late Sagan.

The funny thing was that whenever a believer finished telling their breathless tale, there would be a jump and suddenly...there was another believer and another breathless tale!

The guy had edited out all of the skeptics, claiming that they were "full of shit" and not worth his or anyone else's time.

Unbeknown to my acquaintance, I'd actually caught the show the night before, and had seen the skeptics utterly demolish the believers - totally steamroller them - so it didn't surprise me that he didn't want me or others to see it now.

Ufology (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35684202)

There is such a thing as a respected Ufologist? Where?

Poor Article (1)

jesseck (942036) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684222)

I read TFA, hoping to find out why the videos were dismissed as a hoax. In traditional /. fashion, I didn't follow any links in the article itself. But TFA seems to be a guy saying, "I said it was a hoax, I gave reasons, and now MUFON says it's a hoax". I was at least hoping for reasoning as to why it is considered a hoax- I couldn't find it.

Re:Poor Article (4, Informative)

trytoguess (875793) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684266)

The link on "Ian O'Neill" leads to the relevant reasons. In short:

1. For a bright object, it's not making on the reflective dome below it shine.

2. Even though several videos came out, considering the location (a popular tourist attraction), there should be even more videos and eyewitness accounts.

3. Two of the videos have evidence of tampering.

http://news.discovery.com/space/jerusalem-ufo-almost-certainly-a-hoax.html [discovery.com]

Re:Poor Article (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35684308)

There's also more info on the other link in the article.

http://ufobriefcase.net/2011/03/29/mufon-dismisses-jerusalem-ufo-as-a-hoax/ [ufobriefcase.net]

Basically, more evidence of video editing, and the events in the videos aren't consistent overall.

Re:Poor Article (2)

dave420 (699308) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684328)

Surely the rational approach would be that until it can definitively be demonstrated as real it must be treated as a hoax. Unfortunately "ufologists" seem to think their pet theories are somehow immune to such an approach, for entirely bullshit reasons.

Since aliens wouldn't want to be discovered... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35684364)

Then this being debunked is proof of a conspiracy by the aliens to keep us unaware of their presence.

It's a classic Double-Con. Nobody would expect it.

Until now.

Re:Since aliens wouldn't want to be discovered... (1)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684522)

It's a classic Double-Con.

Con. Con... Khan. Khan Souphanousinphone. It all makes sense now. "The ocean" is alien code for "home planet". But are they Chinese or Japanese?

Stretching Postfixes. (1)

BadPirate (1572721) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684368)

UFO....ologists?

case still out on holycost; unproven & proven (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35684582)

that's not really a detractor, as the .5 billion total remaining pupulation mandate, is moving along with & without the participation of the aliens &/or the deities. it's just #s

disarm

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"MUFON has concluded it was a hoax." (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35684600)

So it's news when an outfit concludes a video purporting to show a spacecraft piloted by extraterrestrial beings is a hoax?

Will it be news also if someone else accepts that water is wet?

FFS.

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Mufon... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35684652)

MUFON people, nothing to see here.

lol (1)

Jeian (409916) | more than 3 years ago | (#35684718)

one of the oldest, largest, and _most respected_ UFO investigation organizations in the world ... and how respected is that, exactly?

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