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MakerBot Introduces Printable Vinyl Records

Soulskill posted about 3 years ago | from the countdown-to-takedown dept.

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An anonymous reader points out great news for , hackers, and anybody who's tired of having to pay for physical music media. MakerBot Industries has now demonstrated the capability of the MakerBot to print out listen-able vinyl records of your favorite tunes. With a attachment, it can even record new audio in real-time. "Using the MakerBot Generation 4 Electronics microstepping capacity, the AudioNozzle modulates the amount of plastic deposited create a high-fidelity waveform. The results often surpass the dynamic range of -bit recordings and can contain frequencies up to 57khz — even higher than the frequency for 96khz digital recording."

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actually, I wanted to read real news (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35689758)

oh, yes, that is funny too. keep them coming. Actually don't.

It would be more clever if there were just one fake article.

On Slashdot, Apr 1 is the day to find another source of interesting news.

Get off my lawn.

Re:actually, I wanted to read real news (1, Insightful)

Coren22 (1625475) | about 3 years ago | (#35689910)

If you don't like them, don't read. It is rather redundant to read people bitching on every story that they don't like the April fool's news, don't read if you don't like it, no one is making you.

Re:actually, I wanted to read real news (4, Insightful)

blair1q (305137) | about 3 years ago | (#35689934)

But we now know what they've been doing with their UI budget instead of fixing the fucking thing.

Re:actually, I wanted to read real news (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35690034)

But we now know what they've been doing with their UI budget instead of fixing the fucking thing.

As a MakerBot customer, I can relate - it seems like they have all this time to make funny video/podcasts/etc, but their product is sloppy - like it's 2 - 3 revisions too early to have been sold as it is.

Re:actually, I wanted to read real news (1)

blair1q (305137) | about 3 years ago | (#35690144)

I meant /.

The UI script behaviors are haphazard and irritating and vary from platform to platform.

Re:actually, I wanted to read real news (1)

MORB (793798) | about 3 years ago | (#35689974)

April's fools is not about making jokes, it's actually about trolling. Slashdot's strategy of spamming rubbish fake news is actually quite effective for that, as people whine about it in every thread.

Re:actually, I wanted to read real news (1)

LS (57954) | about 3 years ago | (#35691042)

No, it's about ACTUALLY fooling people. This is fooling no one. Also, it's about fun. This is not fun.

Re:actually, I wanted to read real news (1)

RoFLKOPTr (1294290) | about 3 years ago | (#35691934)

No, it's about ACTUALLY fooling people. This is fooling no one. Also, it's about fun. This is not fun.

Actually, CmdrTaco is sitting in a hilariously-oversized recliner chair laughing at all the people whining in the comments. April 1st is about fun for the people pulling the pranks and pain and misery for the people they're directed at. The more suffering for the second group, the more hilarity for the first. Physics, son.

Re:actually, I wanted to read real news (1)

thePowerOfGrayskull (905905) | about 3 years ago | (#35689984)

Actually, I wanted to read real comments. Instead I just see whining about how you all hate reading news sites this day. Let's call it even and both stop bitching about it.

Re:actually, I wanted to read real news (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35689992)

Dang! After selling all my records to save space last year (what was I thinking?!?), this was just the ticket I needed to start correcting that mistake!

Re:actually, I wanted to read real news (1)

19thNervousBreakdown (768619) | about 3 years ago | (#35690002)

Actually, it's been so annoying for so long it's starting to get funny again. The fact that they keep doing it despite nobody really enjoying it and massively reduced postscounts just makes it better. You'll get it eventually, it's hilarious.

Re:actually, I wanted to read real news (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35690376)

Thanks, that made me laugh, finally. I get it now.

Re:actually, I wanted to read real news (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35690082)

This joke is particularly bad, because the imaginary thing they're hawking kind of actually exists [roadogz.com].

Re:actually, I wanted to read real news (1)

oldmac31310 (1845668) | about 3 years ago | (#35690104)

Acetate cutters have been around for donkey's years. At least the early 1960s. Actually I found the prank more amusing than the rest of the lame efforts today.

Re:actually, I wanted to read real news (1)

Belial6 (794905) | about 3 years ago | (#35690322)

What would be funnier would be to not post a single fake article, and watch as everyone tries to figure out which one of the real articles is fake.

Re:actually, I wanted to read real news (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35690356)

I agree. These articles aren't funny. Garbage was supposed to end at noon right? Get on with it....

STOP IT! (1, Insightful)

Timmmm (636430) | about 3 years ago | (#35689768)

Is there no actual new for today?

Re:STOP IT! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35689804)

Oh come on, there's no real news because it wouldn't be taken seriously anyway, we're better off if they save it for tomorrow...

Re:STOP IT! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35690110)

What, you didn't read about the release of Duke Nukem Forever today?

RELAX! (1)

jfengel (409917) | about 3 years ago | (#35693656)

This is a tech news site. If you have to hear about the Debian release tomorrow instead of today, I'm pretty sure you'll live. Slashdot isn't about breaking news, or anything you need to act on right this minute. Tech changes fast, but not that fast.

This site is fundamentally about entertainment. Your job does not depend on it. It's what you do to take a break from the code. Today, you do it a little differently than yesterday. Don't worry, all the breaking news will be back tomorrow, and you'll find that you didn't really miss anything.

not another one! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35689770)

Please end the April fools jokes. Please?

Re:not another one! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35689958)

They promised that it would be normal tomorrow.

Vinylphiles (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35689784)

If there's one thing I know about vinylphiles, it's that they HATE paying for records. Well, anything more than $1 apiece, anyway. But they love, love, love paying as much as possible for the system they play it on.

Re:Vinylphiles (1)

oldmac31310 (1845668) | about 3 years ago | (#35690120)

Huh? If I could afford it I'd buy vinyl records (I used to when I could afford it) and my system is nothing special and cost very little. I just enjoy the experience of playing vinyl. Something wrong with that?

Re:Vinylphiles (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35691376)

"Something wrong with that?"

Nope. Although I have a lot of oggs, et al. on my hard drive, I still enjoy burning a dvd+nice menu, & popping them into my standalone player.:)

Annoying April Fools (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35689812)

Even if they did post serious news today, I couldn't take it seriously with those drop down things all over the place.

- Anon

The one day of the year Slashdot becomes useless (0, Offtopic)

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Re:The one day of the year Slashdot becomes useles (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35689852)

And instead of just ignoring it, you have to post paragraphs of lipsum to every article today. That shows dedication to being a douchebag.

Re:The one day of the year Slashdot becomes useles (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35689972)

However, the articles have more content and worth than your comments. Nice to see you get modded down over today; that brings your karma closer to an appropriate level.

Figure it out. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35689836)

Come on guys this could be huge. HUGE!

Can't wait until midnight (1)

hoggoth (414195) | about 3 years ago | (#35689848)

Can't wait until midnight for this to be over.

Or do I actually enjoy this and this post is a parody of my true feelings. Today, who can tell?

If only it were true! (1)

SoftwareArtist (1472499) | about 3 years ago | (#35689868)

You know, when I saw this story, my first thought was, "That's a great idea!" Then I realized it was a joke and I was disappointed.

Re:If only it were true! (1)

oldmac31310 (1845668) | about 3 years ago | (#35690134)

Acetate cutters are still to be had, and they have been around for a long time, so it is perfectly possible to cut a disc if you have the machine. Why do you think it is called cutting a disk in the first place? Cutting the groove is obviously tried, tested and proven to work very well indeed but I can't imagine any real way of printing the grooves.

Re:If only it were true! (1)

Rary (566291) | about 3 years ago | (#35690170)

The ones I know of cost about $10,000. Are there cheaper ones that you're aware of?

Re:If only it were true! (1)

oldmac31310 (1845668) | about 3 years ago | (#35690556)

No clue about the price of the machine but I think it shouldn't be too hard to find someone offering the service for one-off acetates. There is still a demand for them in certain genres of music where 'exclusives' or 'specials' are highly regarded.

Re:If only it were true! (2)

_0xd0ad (1974778) | about 3 years ago | (#35690256)

I can't imagine any real way of printing the grooves.

You wouldn't print the groove, you'd print up the surface on either side of it with a 3D printer. The 3D printer would have to be very fast and accurate to print in real-time, obviously.

Also, making a master (negative) with a 3D printer might be easier and more practical than directly making a vinyl disk with one (for one thing, it'd only have to print a single ridge as it traveled around, instead of two with a groove between them). The master could then be used to stamp vinyl copies. If a relatively cheap 3D printer was capable of producing a master, it might be cheaper and more practical than the current methods of making a master.

I love 4/1 on slashdot (1)

geekoid (135745) | about 3 years ago | (#35689880)

really. I find the stories to be amusing. The only think the confuses me is why the hell people who don't like it come here and whine about it.

Re:I love 4/1 on slashdot (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35689888)

That's because you're easily amused.

Re:I love 4/1 on slashdot (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35690032)

As opposed to the easily offended/enraged crowd? Easily amused is a FAR better way to travel through life.

Re:I love 4/1 on slashdot (1)

Coren22 (1625475) | about 3 years ago | (#35689926)

Bugs the crap out of me too. If you don't like it, don't read and let the rest of us enjoy the hilarity.

Re:I love 4/1 on slashdot (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35690122)

I bet you point at the TV and repeat things back to it.

Re:I love 4/1 on slashdot (1)

oldmac31310 (1845668) | about 3 years ago | (#35690148)

They can be amusing but on the whole there is unfortunately not much display of inherent comedic talent in most of the 'stories'. The whining seems to come from the obsessively geeky/nerdy crowd who can't stand to have their routine altered even slightly. Hell, it's one day in the year. No big deal.

Re:I love 4/1 on slashdot (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35690212)

Hell, it's one day in the year. No big deal. You're browsing it wrong

Re:I love 4/1 on slashdot (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35693344)

fourth january?

it's real (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35689900)

I already bought 10

A word about Vinyl (1)

dimethylxanthine (946092) | about 3 years ago | (#35689904)

Though it's April 1st it doesn't mean every piece of news has to be complete twoddle. It's no news that sound quality of vinyl is far superior to anything that has or is currently on the market. If this is serious, and there is no reason this could be technologically impossible, this would be a massive treat for anybody who appreciates the quality sound of music. Now, I'm not an audiophile to the extent that can spot the difference in quality between AAC and MP3 (though not WMW, admittedly) - the first time I heard contemporary vinyl records spin back in 2004 I was completely blown away!

Take note, young scuts - vinyl is going to stick around yet - even if not in tabletop-recorder factor just this month...

Re:A word about Vinyl (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35690066)

I can't tell if you are taking the piss out of audiophiles or not, but I see enough of them in my business to know most don't know what the fuck they are talking about.

The problem is that the wax substrate does not allow for the types of frequency and dynamics they think it does. This is why every phono has an EQ and filter curve set up in it as suggested by the RIAA. Good ones will have an expander to go against the compressor needed to keep the needle in the groove on rhythmatic pieces because it just can't deal with much in the way of dynamics. Don't even get me on how stereo was compromised to work in this solution.

What does being on vinyl give us? Warmth...in the form of distortion. Its NICE distortion. I like the way it feels. A few mixes I've done for friends over the years, we've burned tracks to vinyl and recoded it for digital to get this (and then generally recorded more afterwards...for the baselayers and support).

As for CDs? Why did they ever get the reputation they got? Back in the day, people were putting out masters that had been engineered for vinyl and had the curves and EQ in them formatted to keep the needle from jumping out of the curve -- without realizing that CD players don't have to recompensate for the media. Sounded cold and weak in comparison. 20 years later, people STILL refer to these earlier works as why vinyl is better...if you want the warmth...record it into your product -- don't let the medium do it for you. There are plugins that can do it easier than my burn a song to vinyl solution (and thats the funny thing about the makerbot joke...you could cut your own records for YEARS...I guess the joke is that it isn't cutting it, but building it from 3d).

Re:A word about Vinyl (2)

antispam_ben (591349) | about 3 years ago | (#35690406)

It's true most audiophiles have little technical knowledge, and they have little or no clue why they like the LP sound. and likewise for the younger crowd rediscovering "vinyls." LP's (vacuum-cleaned and played with a good cartridge and turntable) are at least as good as music played back with lossy encoding through portable players, the way most people listen to music thesedays (this psychoacoustic data compression should not be confused with the topic I address below, dynamic range compression).The quality of recordings has less to do with the medium and more to do with how music production and mastering have changed over the decades.

The RIAA EQ has nothing to do with the sound (other than appropriately shaping the max signal at different frequencies and the S/N ratio). Tape (in use for many decades, still used for some recordings) has recording and playback EQ as well, and for similar reasons.

The stereo compromise for LP's (this is actually where the term mastering originated) is mainly making the bass mono, which was done anyway for pop record starting in the late '60's with the bass guitar and kick drum mixed "in the middle" for maximum power through both stereo speakers. LP's are also made with a dropoff below 40 Hz to keep from exciting the stylus suspension/arm resonance, but very little pop music (as performed live and recorded on CD's) has anything below 40Hz either. The lowest note on the common 4-string bass guitar, the E, is 41Hz.

The REAL compression started in the '80's and became extreme in the '90's with hypercompression, the "LOUDNESS WARS" and actual signal clipping on CD. That, perhaps more than anything else, is why many people like the sound of LP's - despite its limitations, the recordings made on records have more dynamics than on modern CD's. One CD held as the epitome of this production technique was Rush's Vapor Trails: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vapor_Trails [wikipedia.org]

It's such an irony. When CD's were announced it was touted as such a great innovation, recordings would have greatly increased dynamic range over LP's, and certainly the potential was there, but the exact opposite happened.

Re:A word about Vinyl (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35690528)

The thing with psychoacoustic compression is that at a high enough rate, you don't miss anything. This is the idea of psychoacoustic. The brain will mask frequencies because of the need for perception, and you can get rid of these. There have been times where I've recorded something and threw it out on AAC to artists and they liked it BETTER than the clean and asked me to use that.

Put it under an analyzer -- you might see some differences. Other than that, it really is only an effect. As long as it is an effect that the artist likes, so be it.

As for the RIAA EQ -- the point is, that it does shape the sound -- but it is removed by the Phono in the end. It zeros it out...still, once something is recorded, you do NOT want to re-eq anything if you are talking purity...it changes the sound, even if subtly. Will you hear it? Probably not...but it shouldn't be there. Put the same vinyl on a player without the re-equing / zeroing...it is going to sound more lifeless...these were the masters used for CD without changing anything. Lifeless...as much as I wouldn't want to EQ something after mastered, they could have done thing and changed the course of CDs being superior.

As for CDs...you can hardly blame the medium for people wanting to get a specific sound out of it. The hypercompression IS an effect...and it is a pleasant one to a LOT of people. Clipping? Shouldn't happen 'accidently'. Some people don't like the sound. Sometimes I do. I have a clipping pedal that can dial in bit rates and clip to an extent. I like it...again its an effect.

I also have software that is intended to max the sound to the point it SOUNDS like it is clipping, without actually clipping. I've never understood the reason for this...you want the sound and you like the sound -- on guitar chunked out to 11 -- IT SOUNDS AWESOME -- some synths it sounds great...the digitally ones like my Virus? Hell yeah. And then people go out of their way to make software that sounds like it is doing something, but isn't actually doing it -- all so that engineers can say Hey I'm Not Actually CLipping, Look At THe Waveforms And Tell ME Where I Hit THe Wall.

It is an effect...one a good number of audiophiles hate...sometimes I like it purely because they hate it. In fact, I think I'll put in 3 clips in the next work I do -- just to piss someone off...but the dynamics war has to do with the fact that psychoacoustically -- people like the sound. It wears on you after repeated listenings -- much the same way the coke / pepsi taste test was rigged in the sense that people like Pepsi at first with its flat sugary taste, but given more than 5 minutes with it -- they prefer coke in the longer term. Dynamics war was like this...sounds good if you are listening to one tune...listen to 10? You'll hate it...not a problem with CDs, but with the fact that music is background material for most people, and they like the effect because they aren't sitting down for a long time.

Re:A word about Vinyl (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35690900)

Compression doesn't make sound "louder". It only reduces the dynamics of the source. Mixers/Masterers use compression in a signal flow chain in order to make final mixes on digital medium sound louder, but it's more of the eq'ing and gain that increase the loudness.

Professionally mastered CDs don't clip any longer. That went away in the 90s. With over-compressed digital songs and extra compression on the radio/internet, most music that is heard now doesn't come close to clipping or truely distorting.

I agree with the other post above... if you want warmth, record it into the mix with plug-ins, external hardware etc. Don't let the medium do it. Your medium should be striving to play back what was finished in the studio as close as possible.

Re:A word about Vinyl (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35702310)

I need to get into the audio business, Never have I see such stupid, gullible people as the audiophiles.

Seriously, these people are complete suckers.

The day that children run the internet (2)

RapmasterT (787426) | about 3 years ago | (#35689920)

I've made a point of saying this every year. If you want to go wild with fake news stories on April 1, that's fine...but don't expect anyone to take you seriously the other 364 days of the year. The fake stuff doesn't go away you know...do I really have to tell people this? It's out there FOREVER..you will FOREVER be attached to FAKE news stories, even on days when it's not April 1st.

Grow up...or don't...but don't complain when people want mature sources and go elsewhere.

Re:The day that children run the internet (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35690020)

get over yourself

Re:The day that children run the internet (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35690158)

Grow up? Can't there be *one* day a year that people don't have to take things seriously? One measly day?

Besides, you can always visit the mature news sources [theonion.com] today, and read the immature and humorous news sources [foxnews.com] that take over the job the other 364 days of the year.

If you're tempted to do a 4/1 joke, remember this: (3, Insightful)

RevWaldo (1186281) | about 3 years ago | (#35689944)

"If you don't have a sense of humor, don't try to be funny." [subgenius.com]

- Pope David Meyer, Church of the SubGenius


Re:If you're tempted to do a 4/1 joke, remember th (1)

hedwards (940851) | about 3 years ago | (#35690000)

That was largely my thought, the drop boxes make the summaries hard to read and the gag itself isn't really funny to begin with.

Frustrated (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35690060)

I am so sick of this ... I vote april fools be banned

Scanning vinyl albums? (1)

jbarr (2233) | about 3 years ago | (#35690094)

I thought I read an article a while back about a company or some researcher or someone who did non-intrusive laser scans on vinyl record albums and processed the resulting scans to re-create the sound? The intent was to record the sound without harming the physical vinyl.

A quick Google search returns an article about this [npr.org] as well as a "touchless" laser turntable [elpj.com].

Anyone else remember this?

Back in the 80's.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35690098)

TELDEC Germany actually created a mechanical device to create the small holes in a compact disc.
This to be able to create small series of CD''s.. But.. Only a few years later the CD-R was a reality..;-)
And.. They were only able to get a good result for about 10-15 minuts in the beginning of the disc..

Re:Back in the 80's.... (1)

_0xd0ad (1974778) | about 3 years ago | (#35690152)

And.. They were only able to get a good result for about 10-15 minuts in the beginning of the disc..

Sounds like their device didn't compensate for the increased circumferential distance the farther out you move on the disc.

Thingivers will fill with pirated LP's! (1)

antispam_ben (591349) | about 3 years ago | (#35690130)

...and become the target of what remains of the RIAA.

(LP's, or do the youngun's call 'em "vinyls" thesedays?)

I love April 1st. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35690214)

Love the Dropdown boxes. it's like playing AdLibs when I was a kid.

Disappointingly absent slashtweak: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35690276)

How could you NOT put "pedophiles" in the audophiles tweak? "Good news for pedophiles" isn't said in the news enough.

Re:Disappointingly absent slashtweak: (1)

_0xd0ad (1974778) | about 3 years ago | (#35690366)

Here you go:


I figured it out. (1)

kyrio (1091003) | about 3 years ago | (#35690666)

The articles on every other day of the year are so bad because the /. authors are hard at work coming up with this shit.

Bats love it! (1)

Tisha_AH (600987) | about 3 years ago | (#35691000)

I have been working with this technology for quite some time. Anything from Nirvana causes the bats to collide into a bloody mass over the cornfield.

even if it were real (1)

sixsixtysix (1110135) | about 3 years ago | (#35691100)

what would be the point? doesn't all that so-called warm analog goodness go right out the wind once it is digitized (in any step of the process)? most people would be using sources containing those digital jaggies, thus mooting the entire point.
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