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Sony CEO Lets Slip That iPhone 5 Will Have 8MP Camera

timothy posted about 3 years ago | from the no-such-thing-as-a-true-leak-anymore dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "During a recent interview with Walt Mossberg, Sony CEO Sir Howard Stringer may have inadvertently let it slip that Sony plans to supply Apple with 8 megapixel cameras for the next-gen iPhone. While discussing the Japanese earthquake, Stringer noted that Sony's camera sensor plant in Sendai had been affected and that shipments of 8 megapixel camera sensors to Apple were subsequently delayed."

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"Oops" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35694876)

What an unfortunate "slip"!

Re:"Oops" (3, Insightful)

Z00L00K (682162) | about 3 years ago | (#35695204)

8 megapixels is nothing special, what is interesting is if the sensor can provide good pictures.

You can get great pictures with a 4 megapixel sensor. The noise level of the sensor and the optics is a lot more important.

Re:"Oops" (1)

iamhassi (659463) | about 3 years ago | (#35695570)

8 megapixels is nothing special....

And it looks like there still won't be an optical zoom since the Xperia-Pro only has digital zoom [sonyericsson.com]

And don't tell me they can't put an optical zoom in an iPhone: the Sony DSC-T7 was only 14.8mm and had a 3x optical zoom way back in 2005 [dpreview.com] while the iPhone 4 is 9.3mm [apple.com]. I'll gladly sacrifice 5.5mm for a 3x optical zoom (assuming technology hasn't advanced since 2005)

Digital zoom is a joke, I'd don't care if they sell a 50 megapixel iPhone I'd trade it all for a good 3 megapixel with a 3x optical zoom.

Re:"Oops" (1)

swalve (1980968) | about 3 years ago | (#35695696)

I was going to say the same thing. I have a 14mp camera that replaced a 6mp camera. Curiously, the image quality is the same.

Yeah, but.. (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35694878)

Who cares?

Re:Yeah, but.. (1)

blai (1380673) | about 3 years ago | (#35695028)

Underwear manufacturers?

In other news, April 3rd was declared national Nocturnal Emission Day for some reason.

Re:Yeah, but.. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35695088)

Do your homework and lookup what happend to ATI and ZFS after someone let something slip without beeing authorized by his holyness, great steve the first...

Sony is in bed with Apple? (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35695208)

I care because I didn't know that Sony supplied components to Apple. Maybe I have just been living in a cave or something....but I didn't know.

And now that I DO know, Apple is on my do-not-buy list.

I hate Sony THAT much. And you should too.

Re:Sony is in bed with Apple? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35695314)

I hate everyone actually. It's just easier.

Re:Sony is in bed with Apple? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35695404)

Good for you. Here's a cookie.

Re:Sony is in bed with Apple? (3, Insightful)

UnknowingFool (672806) | about 3 years ago | (#35695434)

Sony provides parts to many different companies as they have so many different companies. If your criteria is to avoid all Sony parts, you may have to avoid electronics altogether.

Re:Sony is in bed with Apple? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35695832)

Nothing sony in my nokia, palm, panasonic, olympus or HP devices. They may be getting patent money from these companies, but none of my parts are sony.

I didn't plan on buying an iphone, and have less of an interest now. But for fans of the iphone, it's nice that they will have a less shitty camera. ayways been a weakness, and alanis ironic, consider all the arty photos people take with them.

Re:Sony is in bed with Apple? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35695564)

I care because I didn't know that Sony supplied components to Apple. Maybe I have just been living in a cave or something....but I didn't know.

And now that I DO know, Apple is on my do-not-buy list.

I hate Sony THAT much. And you should too.

Pshaw. Apple has been every bit as evil as Sony, shitting on their customers since the 2nd gen iPod. If you had any real ethics, you wouldn't have been buying Apple products, either.

Re:Sony is in bed with Apple? (1)

aztracker1 (702135) | about 3 years ago | (#35695720)

I'm pretty close to that... I tend not to buy sony label products, and let people I know also know that I do as such.... I think what really needs to happen is pressure to break sony corp up in order to sell products in the US.. of course they own like 40% of big media, so that would be a hard sell.

Umm, welcome to the 21st century. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35695844)

I care because I didn't know that Sony supplied components to Apple. Maybe I have just been living in a cave or something....but I didn't know.

And now that I DO know, Apple is on my do-not-buy list.

I hate Sony THAT much. And you should too.

If you plan to never buy any Sony anything ever, then you're probably not going to ever buy any electronic device ever. Your next phone/laptop/TV may well have a Sony battery or a Sony CCD or a Sony LCD panel.

Sony is, it turns out, a very big company.

Re:Yeah, but.. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35695254)

I just came in my pants.

Re:Yeah, but.. (1)

Evi1M4chine (2029370) | about 3 years ago | (#35695316)

You’re right. Above 5-6 MP, the more there are, the worse the image will look.
What I really want to know about cameras, is the size of the chip.

Then again, what is a article about a phone of a company that employs totalitarian control doing on a website of a open source network? Selling your soul for a shiny shiny glass bead much?

Re:Yeah, but.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35695466)

Then again, what is a article about a phone of a company that employs totalitarian control doing on a website of a open source network?

(slow, sarcastic clap)

Glad to meet the writer of Slashdot's mission statement. Always figured you'd have a lower UID though.

Re:Yeah, but.. (1)

Evi1M4chine (2029370) | about 3 years ago | (#35695848)

Well, I changed the e-mail address to a random Mailinator one, changed the password to a scrambled one, and logged out, so I would never ever get dragged in here again.
Then years later, I tried the same with my... second account.

Now I'm back. So I guess I must be some kind of leader since /. will follow me to the grave.
Go figure.

Re:Yeah, but.. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35695716)

Blow Jobs is probably shitting satanic cancer eggs out of his birth canal as we speak.

Re:Yeah, but.. (0)

The Great Pretender (975978) | about 3 years ago | (#35695944)

BUT it's an Apple 8MP camera, which means that it doesn't follow the same general rules as other 8 MP cameras and will likely increase sales by 300%. We all know that generic Apple components are better than other generic components. (where is the sarcasm emoticon when you need it?)

LOL. nokia n8 has 12mpx, pixon has 12mpx since '09 (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35694882)

shows you how far behind apple is. nokia n8 = 12 mpx. samsung pixon 12 mpx in 2009. the symbian phones are all THREE YEARS AHEAD of anything apple can push out.
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_m8910_pixon12-2813.php

Re:LOL. nokia n8 has 12mpx, pixon has 12mpx since (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35694960)

You do realize, that other than raw numbers, megapixels have very little to do with final quality?

Re:LOL. nokia n8 has 12mpx, pixon has 12mpx since (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35695156)

and do you realize that apple has never been about final quality?

  it's about selling 2nd rate kit to wannabee geeks, poor fools that just know they're missing out on something when they see some of the incredible technology around them, but just keep on trying to spend their way out of the sad fact that they're too lazy or too thick to utilize a proper computer.

Re:LOL. nokia n8 has 12mpx, pixon has 12mpx since (3, Informative)

kimvette (919543) | about 3 years ago | (#35695026)

You do realize that cellphone sensors are limited by diffraction so while you can resolve finer detail through unsharp masks, physics does limit the usable resolution of optical sensors. Making things worse, the need for anti-aliasing filters will further soften the photos. APS-C DSLRs have reached the point where they are diffraction limited to f/8.0 and yet while the megapixel race has slowed down a bit, it has not yet ended. If you need a 100% crop from the newest APS-C cameras, it requires minor to moderat sharpening during postprocessing. As the sensor size decreases the circle of confusion becomes relatively larger as the photo sites ("pixels") decrease.

Unless they find some way to increase the lens size (which will require bending space-time) the megapixel race is utterly pointless, because the resulting photos will either appear softer and softer, or more and more artificial due to requiring more and more sharpening.

Re:LOL. nokia n8 has 12mpx, pixon has 12mpx since (2)

bemymonkey (1244086) | about 3 years ago | (#35695134)

Making things worse, the need for anti-aliasing filters will further soften the photos.

Soften? Pastelify, blur, undetailify, and just generally fuck up are terms that much better describe what noise reduction filters in typical cell phone cameras do to pictures. :(

I want a 1.3-2MP sensor in my next phone...

Re:LOL. nokia n8 has 12mpx, pixon has 12mpx since (1)

fph il quozientatore (971015) | about 3 years ago | (#35695262)

Unless they find some way to increase the lens size (which will require bending space-time)

Doesn't sound like a big issue -- I've been bending space-time around me since the day when I was born.

Re:LOL. nokia n8 has 12mpx, pixon has 12mpx since (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | about 3 years ago | (#35695996)

Maybe they could use a lens which pops out of the back of the camera when in use?

Re:LOL. nokia n8 has 12mpx, pixon has 12mpx since (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35695034)

I think you mean September 2010, not 3 years ago, and the megapixels are irrelevant without a quality sensor behind it.

Re:LOL. nokia n8 has 12mpx, pixon has 12mpx since (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35695692)

pixon was released 1st qtr 2009. so its 2 years and change.

Re:LOL. nokia n8 has 12mpx, pixon has 12mpx since (1)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | about 3 years ago | (#35695216)

And how many apps does it have? Must be plenty seeing how Nokia is jumping to Windows Phone 7.

Re:LOL. nokia n8 has 12mpx, pixon has 12mpx since (2)

evilgrug (915703) | about 3 years ago | (#35695228)

3 years ahead in camera technology, 6 years behind in smartphone OS technology!

Re:LOL. nokia n8 has 12mpx, pixon has 12mpx since (1)

petermgreen (876956) | about 3 years ago | (#35695992)

Meh, phone cameras suck in general, high mega-pixels are mostly just for advertising (the optics are too poor to really take advantage of them). Apple has enough other good points to advertise on and enough fanboys that they really don't need to play the game of inflating a headline spec while actually reducing what that spec is thought the represent (put too many megapixels on for your optics and you just increase noise without increasing details).

What apple really got right was the interface and in particular the web browser. Mobile phones have had web browsers before but afaict they sucked and were little used. By combining a really good multi-touch screen with a good browser engine apple created a mobile browser that people actually wanted to use.

Similarly symbian could support user apps but it was horrible to code for (based on a basterdised version of C++) and there was no central place to distrubute apps. The iphone didn't initially support user apps at all but when they did add support they did it in a way that brought them a huge number of developers.

I don't like the way apple locks their phones down or the way they make the batteries difficult to replace but they got many things right with the iPhone. Things other smartphone vendors rushed to copy.

Good Lord (4, Insightful)

matty619 (630957) | about 3 years ago | (#35694886)

This is news?

Re:Good Lord (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35694942)

This is news?

You obviously don't understand the importance of this - some time later this year there may be another phone that has an 8 megapixel camera. I mean I know you can get phones with 12 or 13 or 15 megapixels but this one will have EIGHT! I mean, maybe, you know, if it actually happens. If it doesn't then it won't but then it'll be even better in some way. OMG. I can't wait to tell everyone.

BFD (2)

damnfuct (861910) | about 3 years ago | (#35694892)

More megapixels means more noise if you don't increase the size of the detector.

Re:BFD (2)

kimvette (919543) | about 3 years ago | (#35695084)

What you say is true only with a given sensor type/technology. As megapixels counts increase, most manufacturers manage to increase the S/N ratio at the detection and amplification stages often resulting in a net improvement in image quality. Compare yesteryear's 2 megapixel DSLRs or even medium format camera backs to today's 18-24 megapixel DSLRs. The original DSLR cameras were limited to maybe ISO1600 max and were very, very noisy, whereas with today's DSLRs if you expose properly you can shoot at ISO1600-3200 or even ISO6400 all day long, or if you are underexposing slightly, moderate noise reduction can clean the image right up with little loss in image quality. Severely underexposed images though (by like, 2+ stops) will exhibit more noise and thus more loss of detail after postprocessing but ISO 1600 won't be a problem in almost any case with any current DSLR body from the major players.

The problem with your theory is we are not comparing apples to apples. Photosite size reduction/megapixel increase is not the sole advancement between most generations of sensor.

Re:BFD (2)

CoreWalker (170935) | about 3 years ago | (#35695348)

On the contrary, if the comparison was referencing differences between the iPhone4 and the iPhone5, then we are indeed comparing Apples to Apples.


ps. Sadly, I have been waiting about 25 years to use that joke.

Not true (1)

Leuf (918654) | about 3 years ago | (#35695100)

Take for example the current crop of Sony 16 mp APS sensors found in the Nikon D7000 and Pentax K-5 versus any APS sensor before them, for example the 6 mp sensors that were the high iso darlings of their day.

Re:Not true (1)

thegarbz (1787294) | about 3 years ago | (#35695562)

Take for example the current crop of Sony 16 mp APS sensors found in the Nikon D7000 and Pentax K-5 versus any APS sensor before them, for example the 6 mp sensors that were the high iso darlings of their day.

Actually it was very true. The advances in technology may pull you forward but that doesn't change the fact that lower megapixels means that each photosite has the ability to capture more photons improving signal to noise ratio. All other things being equal a lower megapixel sensor has far better noise characteristics than a high megapixels sensor.

And lets not even get started on a resolving power of a lens that can satisfy 8megapixels on the size of a pinhead.

Meh (1)

Xtense (1075847) | about 3 years ago | (#35694912)

The Zune MHD will have a QSXGA, 60fps cam, not impressed. ...

Shit, did I just let that slip?

Re:Meh (3, Insightful)

Jugalator (259273) | about 3 years ago | (#35694972)

QSXGA

Quad Super Xtended Graphics Array... This is among the most annoying acronyms I know! Ahh!

Easier to just say "5 MP" about that, if it's the resolution others are talking about.

But with that out of my system - I wonder who in their right state of mind are actually going to print either 5 MP or 8 MP photos from a mobile phone on an A3-sized (Tabloid-sized for US citizens) sheet of paper?? It's obvious that they're once again just doing the old Megapixel race for no good reason.

Re:Meh (1)

FrostDust (1009075) | about 3 years ago | (#35695096)

It's obvious that they're once again just doing the old Megapixel race for no good reason.

Well, I guess that's true, if you consider "big numbers impress people with money to burn" not being that good of a reason.

I don't buy it (4, Interesting)

abhi_beckert (785219) | about 3 years ago | (#35694958)

This rumor isn't credible. 8MP is a bad idea unless you make the lens and sensor bigger. The trouble is, as you increase the megapixels you reduce the amount of light the sensor can collect. Creating significantly poorer photos in low light conditions and slightly poorer photos in normal conditions.

If you have a huge lens and sensor, like some phones and like a point-and-shoot camera then 8MP (or more) is a great idea. But apple isn't likely to do either of those.

They already made the lens and sensor about as good as they could in the iPhone 4. I think we're a long time away from seeing an 8MP iPhone camera.

Re:I don't buy it (4, Insightful)

damnfuct (861910) | about 3 years ago | (#35694998)

I wish more people understood this rather than "MOAR MEGGAPIXALS MEENS MOAR BETTAR"

Re:I don't buy it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35695056)

I think we're a long time away from seeing an 8MP iPhone camera.

Everyone set your calendar to remind you to come laugh at this guy in a few months.

Re:I don't buy it (1)

DurendalMac (736637) | about 3 years ago | (#35695086)

I could see Apple making the lens/sensor slightly larger, but I don't know if it would be enough to maintain quality. The iPhone 4's camera isn't bad. It's not great, but it's certainly a massive step up from the godawful camera that was on the 3G.

Re:I don't buy it (1)

JimPenn (112059) | about 3 years ago | (#35695136)

I think it's a credible rumor. Why? Because the overall percentage of iPhone consumers who are photo pros is fairly small. While a photographer will know about and be concerned with sensor size/resolution vs. quality of lens, your average iPhone consumer will only know that 'more pixels' = 'better'. You can let the photo buffs grumble all they want but more pixels = bigger selling point to most iPhone buyers. Real pros aren't using their phones as a camera.

Re:I don't buy it (2)

farnsworth (558449) | about 3 years ago | (#35695236)

your average iPhone consumer will only know that 'more pixels' = 'better'.

Your average iPhone user will, however, quickly realize that photos suck if the sensor is too small. Apple never makes stuff to compete in checklists, they make stuff they believe will be regarded as high-quality. Apple would never slap an "8 megapixels!" sticker on the iPhone in hopes that it would appeal to more people. Apple's stuff is nearly always the worst spec'ed stuff on the market, yet it is also the most coveted and they consistently have the highest customer satisfaction in the industry. They know how to put stuff together for real life.

I don't know enough about the technology to comment on whether a good-quality 8MP camera is feasible in this size, but Apple will never build something that sucks just so they can have a higher number in some feature table.

Re:I don't buy it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35695324)

No doubt when it actually does ship with an 8MP sensor, we'll see another chin-stroking serious-nodding analysis of this sort with completely the opposite conclusions about how Apple so astutely designed the iPhone 5's camera.

Sony Ericsson is shipping phones with an 8MP sensor already.

Re:I don't buy it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35695408)

yeah, apple never does that! Apple has always sold us crap at high prices and claimed we never needed those features the other guys had anyway.

Just because Steve Jobs isn't the same kind of salesman as Steve Ballmer doesn't mean Apple isn't every bit as driven by marketing as Microsoft. Just because you know that more pixels isn't necessarily better doesn't mean that Apple isn't going to sell 8MP iPhones to mactards; they're going to tell each other that more subtle features come through even if Apple doesn't.

Re:I don't buy it (1)

ZackSchil (560462) | about 3 years ago | (#35695506)

Hey, finally a person who understands the real reason behind Apple's popularity! I don't understand why people on Slashdot skip over your much more obvious explanation and go right for "people buy Apple because it's a 'cool' brand even though the specs suck" That has never made much sense

1.) Apple is not trendy. Companies trying to be trendy throw designer patterns on their products or team up with a celebrity. They end up cycling said trendy product off the market in 6 months as people move on. Apple makes classic minimalist designs that don't look out of date for many, many years. They're the Brooks Brother's of technology design. White plastic, glass, aluminum, clean lines. Their last "trendy" product was the CRT iMac with the giant plastic bubble that came in a million different colors and patterns. Discontinued 2001. If Apple was a trendy brand, people would have moved on from them 20 times over by now. Instead their popularity continues to grow year over year.

2.) Their specs don't actually suck. As farnsworth pointed out, their individual specifications are sometimes lacking but the sum of the parts is always cohesive and satisfying. This is only true for Macs since the Intel switch in 2005, though. (Prior to that were some dark times for the specifications on their computer line.)

Re:I don't buy it (2)

errandum (2014454) | about 3 years ago | (#35695512)

Like an antennae that is so high tech that it requires you to use a rubber band for optimum performance?

Or phone screens that are prone to develop a yellow tint?

Apple's story is full of mishaps.. Those two were introduced as revolutionary and cutting edge, and on paper they were... But then real world scenarios proved them wrong.

On the other hand, it is possible to have a decent camera in a phone, like the nokia N8 proved, and apple might do it, Just don't paint apple as the tech messiah.

Re:I don't buy it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35695762)

Apple never makes stuff to compete in checklists, they make stuff they believe will be regarded as high-quality.

The shitty and utterly useless 960x720 camera on the iPod Touch and iPad 2 screams checklist item. The only reason it was included so they could say they have rear facing cameras on them.

Re:I don't buy it (1)

BronsCon (927697) | about 3 years ago | (#35695970)

They know how to put stuff together for real life.

So much so that there's almost no incidence of iPhone screen breakage and the new MacBook Pros never crash!

Re:I don't buy it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35695202)

This rumor isn't credible.

It is. I design image signal processors(ISPs) for mobile devices. The architectural goal back in 2007 was much more than 8MPixels.

Re:I don't buy it (2)

zalas (682627) | about 3 years ago | (#35695238)

Just a nitpick, but...

  • Increasing the number of megapixels while keeping everything else the same does not change the amount of light the sensor collects, although each individual pixel gets less light.
  • Increasing or decreasing the fill-factor or changing the total sensor size does.
  • In low light situations, statistics of the intensity of light should be Poisson, which means that 4 pixels at 1/4 the area, when averaged together, should result in the same amount of SNR, assuming relatively small read noise, which should be dominated by the Poisson shot noise in this situation.
  • Thus, the only downside of having just more pixels on a sensor if everything else was equal (note that fill factor of pixels would probably be different between different sensors) is that there's now a lot more bandwidth coming out of the sensor, which could be an issue with power efficiency. This could possibly be mitigated by reducing the bit depth on each individual pixel, if you assume there's going to be more noise.
  • One upside is that if the pixel size is smaller than the diffraction spot size, then the relative size of your Bayer mosaic should make demosaicing easier.
  • To summarize... if you had more pixels in the same sized sensor and can deal with the extra bandwidth, then you should be able to, in the worst case, downsample to achieve similar or higher performance compared to what you had before.

Re:I don't buy it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35695522)

There's gaps between the elements.

Less light to each individual element means that their input is closer to the noise floor, reducing the effective light received by each.

So, yeah...

Re:I don't buy it (2)

thegarbz (1787294) | about 3 years ago | (#35695608)

What you say is true if and only if the design actually allows for that downsizing. Now what consumer camera on the market has a high megapixels sensor and then downsamples to increase noise performance? It's a numbers game. It will affect noise. Also there is another valid reason lower megapixels mean less noise. Other than there being less gaps between pixels thus greater fill for the same sensor, a larger physical photosite will absorb photons at greater angles off perpendicular. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say I doubt that this 8mpxl on a pinhead sensor features an expensive microlens structure you find in DSLR sensors that reduce the loss due to reflection oh photons that don't hit them at just the right angle.

Re:I don't buy it (5, Informative)

doctor_no (214917) | about 3 years ago | (#35695344)

There have been a lot of technology advancements that dramatically increase the amount of light each photosite can collect. The biggest is BSI (back side illuminated) sensors which can double the amount of light that gets captured per photosite. We are also moving to high-dynamic range, high-speed, and pixel-binning CMOS technology that can combine signal data from multiple photosites into one.

http://image-sensors-world.blogspot.com/2011/02/sony-announces-12mp-155um-pixel-bsi.html [blogspot.com]

In general you will get better quality from a larger sensor, all things being equal, but technology has moved considerably forward. 1~2 micron photosites (that are common in cellphones) can easily handle 8MPs. But don't expect it to take the same quality as a dSLR (or even the larger sensored point and shoots).

Re:I don't buy it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35695646)

This rumor isn't credible. 8MP is a bad idea unless you make the lens and sensor bigger. The trouble is, as you increase the megapixels you reduce the amount of light the sensor can collect. Creating significantly poorer photos in low light conditions and slightly poorer photos in normal conditions.

If you have a huge lens and sensor, like some phones and like a point-and-shoot camera then 8MP (or more) is a great idea. But apple isn't likely to do either of those.

They already made the lens and sensor about as good as they could in the iPhone 4. I think we're a long time away from seeing an 8MP iPhone camera.

Maybe its for a Mac, not for an iPhone ?

Re:I don't buy it (2)

LWATCDR (28044) | about 3 years ago | (#35695930)

You do not have to make a lens that much larger to double the area. Also take a look at Nokia's phones they have very good 8MP cameras and optics on them. At this point you sound like an Apple ad. Today the Iphone 4s hardware is at best just Okay. They still have a very good display but the CPU is just okay. IOS is still a very good OS but the hardware really needs an update to stay on top including the camera.

Bigger News (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35694978)

More of a surprise to me is thats its going to be called an iPhone 5 instead of an iPhone 4x

Re:Bigger News (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | about 3 years ago | (#35695044)

I doubt very much that Sony is going to be involved in the naming conventions of future iPhones.

The Sony guy saying "iPhone 5" is just him trying to describe the next generation in absence of an official name.

For all we know, they might not even use numbers. Often, when it gets to version 4 or 5 you start to see different naming conventions come into play, like "NT" or the names of big cats or something. At some point, just incrementing the number starts to lose meaning and doesn't provide enough differentiation. I doubt they'd change the "iPhone" part because it's such a successful brand, but I wouldn't be surprised if we see something other than iPhone "6" or iPhone "7".

Re:Bigger News (1)

frozentier (1542099) | about 3 years ago | (#35695144)

Often, when it gets to version 4 or 5 you start to see different naming conventions come into play, like "NT" or the names of big cats or something.

So we're probably looking at the iPhone Tabby?

Re:Bigger News (1)

CheerfulMacFanboy (1900788) | about 3 years ago | (#35696006)

I doubt very much that Sony is going to be involved in the naming conventions of future iPhones.

The Sony guy saying "iPhone 5" is just him trying to describe the next generation in absence of an official name.

Actually, he neither said anything about "iPhone 5" nor about 8 megapixels. http://www.9to5mac.com/59019/howard-stringer-says-sony-image-sensors-delayed-for-apples-ipad/ [9to5mac.com]:

Paraphrased: “Our best sensor technology is built in one of the (tsunami) affected factories. Those go to Apple for their iPhonesor iPads. Isn’t that something? They buy our best sensors from us?”

native americans to release teepee leaks etchings (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35694988)

the hard to remain focused on unproven images contain references to unspeakable acts (real sex religious training etc...) committed upon the native population by unrepentant (now a feature length motion picture) professional clerical & clergical reprehensibles of their royal highnesses & the holycost 'scientists', prior to their extermination. the natives still do not have words in their vocabulary for what happened. .5 billion they were chanting. seemed harmless enough to folks who rarely used any words at all. only now it comes out? are they up to something? yahoos? in cahoots with allah et al?

When will iPhone competitors get a clue? (0, Troll)

Compaqt (1758360) | about 3 years ago | (#35695018)

Although I grant that the megapix race is ultimately futile, there are plenty of other specs on which iPhone competitors have settled into a comfortable pattern of too little, too late.

For example, the recently announced Palm Pre 3 will have a resolution of 800x480, which is about half the pixels of the iPhone 4's 960x640.

So when are Android manufacturers and Palm/HP going to start competing with the next iPhone iteration instead of the previous one? I'm leaving Nokia out of this due to utter incompetence and failure to deliver.

Re:When will iPhone competitors get a clue? (1)

kimvette (919543) | about 3 years ago | (#35695110)

Nokia defaulted on the game the day they partnered with Microsoft on Windows Phone 7. Nokia personnel and shareholders just haven't felt the effects of their loss yet.

Mod Abuse (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35695128)

Parent should not have been modded down. There is a world of difference between "troll" and "mindless fanboy".

And... (1)

NitroWolf (72977) | about 3 years ago | (#35695032)

In other news, not a shit was given that at the interview...

Megapixels are meaningless if they aren't coupled with a larger sensor and better glass. Cheap plastic and a tiny sensor still make it a shitty camera. It's the same picture whether it's 4Mp or 8Mp. Now if they put a real Xenon flash on it, that might be something interesting.

There is more to it than that (1)

RotateLeftByte (797477) | about 3 years ago | (#35695220)

The quality of the software that processes the data coming from the sensor is vitally important to the quality of the image produced.
This has been amply demonstrated by some DSLR's that use the same Sensor and almost identical quality lenses only to have a vast difference in the quality (bokeh) of the resulting image.
This is why you pay lots of $$$$ to the likes of Nikon & Canon and less to Sony especially as Sony make most of the Nikon DSLR Sensors.

Re:There is more to it than that (1)

Pulzar (81031) | about 3 years ago | (#35695292)

Why did you throw bokeh in there? There's a lot more to image quality that comes to mind before nice bokeh, whose quality is lens-dominated anyway.

Re:There is more to it than that (1)

thegarbz (1787294) | about 3 years ago | (#35695632)

quality != bokeh. Bokeh is an entirely lens based characteristic which in a given camera system is completely unaffected by the sensor or electronics behind it.

Real Apple fans... (-1, Troll)

the_raptor (652941) | about 3 years ago | (#35695060)

Real Apple fans will only be happy when their favourite iDevice is available in suppository form.

Ssh. It's for the Newton (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35695106)

A tablet that takes pictures, WOW!

This is truly great news (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35695130)

For fans of amateur pr0n *fap fap fap fap fap*

THIS NEWS DOES NOT MATTER (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35695210)

The subject says it ...

Meh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35695214)

Expect more of the same kind of "upgrades" if poor Steve doesn't get back to the firm soon.

Why does this automatically mean iPhone 5? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35695232)

Apple puts cameras in everything, how can you extrapolate that this is for an iPhone? What's the sensor that apple puts in iMacs? Macbooks? Cinema Displays?

Re:Why does this automatically mean iPhone 5? (1)

errandum (2014454) | about 3 years ago | (#35695452)

Because no other iGadget would require a camera like that

It's either for an iPhone or an iPod touch (or most likely both).

Re:Why does this automatically mean iPhone 5? (1)

larry bagina (561269) | about 3 years ago | (#35695550)

The iPod touch camera is significantly worse than the iPhone camera and will most likely remain so as the iPod touch is thinner than the iPhone.

I'll believe it when I see it. (1)

thatskinnyguy (1129515) | about 3 years ago | (#35695248)

Now that it has been slipped, that feature will now be dropped like every other feature that has been leaked in the past.

hmm (1)

nomadic (141991) | about 3 years ago | (#35695578)

So is Steve Jobs going to throw a tantrum and terminate Sony like he's done before when a component maker lets something slip?

Here's how to tell if it's true: (1)

Pitr (33016) | about 3 years ago | (#35695602)

It depends on whether or not Steve Jobs throws a hissy fit.
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/00/07/19/apple_turns_cold_shoulder_towards_ati_at_macworld.html

Ding ding ding! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35695604)

I imagine that there will be lots of heads exploding over this if it's true. Does this mean that the hate camp will start boycotting Apple? Or will the fanbois start supporting Sony because of Apple's involvement? Or due to aforementioned, will it simply not matter due to the big 'ol pile of mess on the floor?

(Popcorn at the ready!)

MP's mean nothing (1)

SimonUK (2030056) | about 3 years ago | (#35695636)

Why would Apple get 8mp Sensors? When the len's infront of them will be awful? What i want to see is a little tiny Lecia or the like lens built into the iPhone, then we get good good glass= good image. Simples

New lessons need to be learned (1)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | about 3 years ago | (#35695750)

It's taken something like 7 or 8 years for compact camera manufacturers to realize (or, perhaps, "come to grips with" is better) that shoving more megapixels into a tiny sensor doesn't give the user better photos. Unfortunately the phone manufacturers apparently haven't learned that lesson.

Actually I am probably being unfair. They're just giving the customers what they want, and - even here on Slashdot - I still see people saying things like "my phone has a 6MP sensor, so it's better than an iPhone's camera". Frankly, these phone cameras are mediocre at best.

Thing is, with the sensor size, lens size, and lens quality... I will hazard a guess that the maximum true resolution any of these phone cameras can resolve is more on the order of two or three megapixels - and THAT is assuming the subject is well lit!

Lame reference incoming! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35695860)

Most people, I think, don't even know what a megapixel is so why should they care about it?

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