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Vatican Warns That Internet Promotes Satanism

timothy posted more than 3 years ago | from the perhaps-this-is-why-I'm-not-at-church dept.

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Hugh Pickens writes "The Telegraph reports that the Roman Catholic Church has warned that the internet has fueled a surge in Satanism that has led to a sharp rise in the demand for exorcists. 'The internet makes it much easier than in the past to find information about Satanism. In just a few minutes you can contact Satanist groups and research occultism,' says Carlo Climati, a member of the Regina Apostolorum Pontifical University in Rome who specializes in the dangers posed to young people by Satanism. Organizers of a six-day conference that has brought together more than 60 Catholic clergy as well as doctors, psychologists, psychiatrists, teachers and youth workers, co-sponsored by the Vatican Congregation for Divine Worship and the Sacraments and the Congregation for Clergy, say the rise of Satanism has been dangerously underestimated in recent years."

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Back at you. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35698676)

The Internet Warns That The Vatican Promotes Stupidity.

Re:Back at you. (3, Insightful)

stonedcat (80201) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698700)

Hail satan!

Re:Back at you. (3, Funny)

clang_jangle (975789) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698890)

clang_jangle@gaurahari$ sudo emerge -vauND satan

These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating dependencies... done!

emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy "satan".

emerge: searching for similar names...
emerge: Maybe you meant any of these: app-crypt/stan, dev-scheme/stalin, media-sound/sonata?

Re:Back at you. (2)

peragrin (659227) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698986)

ah you need to use Sorcerer Linux in order to build satan and his dependencies.

Re:Back at you. (5, Insightful)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698728)

They appear to be using "the Internet" as a scapegoat (not to be confused with goatse, but an understandable mistake considering where they often lodge their noggins). People are doing the same shit that they always have but now they can:
* find it easier on the internet
* find others who are doing it on the internet
* blame the internet when they get caught

Meet the new boogeyman, same s the old boogeyman.

Re:Back at you. (0, Troll)

jhigh (657789) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698944)

How are they using the Internet as a scapegoat? A scapegoat for what?

The knee-jerk anti-religious sentiment on Slashdot is always amusing. The same people ridiculing religious people for being "ignorant" fail to either a) rtfa that they're commenting on or b) understand basic English.

Why is it that the when the Vatican says "The internet makes it much easier than in the past to find information about Satanism," they are using the Internet as a scapegoat, yet when you state almost the same thing verbatim, "now they can find it (information about Satanism, we presume, given the context) easier on the Internet," you are somehow a beacon of enlightenment?

The Vatican stated fact: you have more "Satanists" because there is more information about it available to everyone. Just like you have more people growing their own marijuana or diagnosing their own medical problems. The Telegraph and Slashdot both hate religion so they've decided to twist and distort in order to ridicule religion.

Meet the new boogeyman, same as the old boogeyman, as you would say.

Re:Back at you. (1, Troll)

Homr Zodyssey (905161) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698956)

Your comments make sense if you read the Slashdot headline and then commented. Now, go RTFA and see that you said exactly what the Vatican officials said, only with more smugness.

Re:Back at you. (1)

mbeware (1171639) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698756)

They might be on something. Internet also increased the use of the unlucky number 13...

Internet promotes Christianity (4, Insightful)

data2 (1382587) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698680)

The internet says that it also promotes christianity, using the same arguments. Within minutes you can research churches, bible groups and also contact them...

Re:Internet promotes Christianity (4, Insightful)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698722)

But they want to be the ONLY faith that you can read or talk about.

Re:Internet promotes Christianity (4, Insightful)

wonkavader (605434) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698766)

They're not protestants. You don't read about religion. That's not your role. You go to church and get information from a priest, who has a greater connection to God through the hierarchy of the Church, which has at it's head God, and right below that the pope, with whom he has conversations daily.

OK, it's a pre-Vatican-two sort of world-view, but it's historically that of the Catholic church.

Re:Internet promotes Christianity (2)

thetagger (1057066) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698822)

Considering how badly some protestant sects have raped Christianity, having some control at the clergy level doesn't sound so bad.

It's not like the Catholics are the Christian fundamentalists, you know.

Re:Internet promotes Christianity (5, Interesting)

ZankerH (1401751) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698850)

Protestants and evangelicals are the Open Source of christianity - everyone gets their revelations from the sky wizard directly and interprets the scripture as they see fit. Catholics are the Microsoft, with the clergy excercising complete control over the minutest details of their faith and telling everyone else what to believe. When the source code is available, it's in obscure languages and obfuscated as can be.

Re:Internet promotes Christianity (1)

aaron552 (1621603) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698908)

That sounds more like Apple, apart from the source code part

Re:Internet promotes Christianity (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35698978)

That sounds more like Apple, apart from the source code part

Apple is more like scientology - first class marketing campaign, minimum of choices and very very expensive.

Re:Internet promotes Christianity (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35698950)

It's not like any religious group is free of fundamentalists, either, or like any of the non-fundamentalists are less deluded; they're just less obnoxious.

Re:Internet promotes Christianity (1)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698844)

So the people aren't allowed to 'read the word of god' and see the blessed words with their own eyes? No wonder organized religion is a joke and people are suckers.

Re:Internet promotes Christianity (1)

jhigh (657789) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698960)

Don't get your opinion of and/or information about religion on Slashdot. Slashdotters, as a general rule, are woefully ignorant of relgion.
Catholics are encouraged to read the Bible. In fact, if they do it the way that the Church recommends, they do more of it and in a more educated and studious manner than anyone else.

Re:Internet promotes Christianity (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35698998)

I always figured Slashdotters, as reasonably intelligent people, would be by and large atheists.

Re:Internet promotes Christianity (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35699002)

But they want to be the ONLY faith that you can read or talk about.

That is demonstrably false.

First, as an example, see this article that expresses good will to buddhists on the event of Buddha's birthday, Vesakha.

Vatican Notes Common Quest for Truth with Buddhism (Zenit):

"All persons have a natural duty to seek truth, to follow it and freely to live their lives in accordance with it," the prelates affirmed.
The added that "this human striving for truth offers a fruitful opportunity for the followers of the different religions to encounter one another in depth and to grow in appreciation of the gifts of each."

Second, see the foundational document on freedom of religion from Vatican II Council: Wikipedia: Dignaitatis Humanae". Its true that the Roman Catholic hierarchy had been a tool of the state from the days of Emperor Constantine and, even up to the middle of the 20th century, had suppressed beliefs that threatened the power of the state and itself. However, the American experiment on freedom of religion demonstrated a different kind of co-existence between church and state. The RC hierarchy resisted that influence until 1960s.

However, that was then, and this is now.

Re:Internet promotes Christianity (2, Informative)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698744)

The internet says that it also promotes christianity, using the same arguments. Within minutes you can research churches, bible groups and also contact them...

You can also research and contact support groups & class action law suits for the many reported cases of abuse that the Catholic Church has been charged with. Ooops, the internet is bad.

Re:Internet promotes Christianity (1)

SteveM (11242) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698746)

Sad but true.

But but (1)

alostpacket (1972110) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698750)

just look at the satanism going on here:

>=)

Re:Internet promotes Christianity (1)

Luckyo (1726890) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698774)

Which is a bad thing, because it causes people to lose faith, as you get to see just how little sense most of the christian dogma makes?

Re:Internet promotes Christianity (1)

cp.tar (871488) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698820)

The internet says that it also promotes christianity, using the same arguments. Within minutes you can research churches, bible groups and also contact them...

I should say that is even worse than researching Satanism.

If I, for one, were to be tied to a bed, whereupon a priest would be led into the room with me in order to sprinkle me with holy water(1) and pray at my side, I would find inhuman strength, curse in all languages I’ve ever encountered and attempt to kill the sanctimonious bastard. And I am not even obsessed.

(1) The version your perverted mind has just supplied would only make things worse, so whatever.

Unintended Consequences (4, Interesting)

GoodBuddy (1846360) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698824)

The internet facilitates people of like minds finding each other. This could be people working for good causes and people working for evil causes. People have found each other through networks for long periods of time. The internet just makes it easier. This can be scary. It helps domestic terrorists find each other and it helps Christians find each other. And whether something is bad or good can be debated. I work with a long existent LGBT rights organization in developing their internet strategy. Our blog isn't one of the real popular ones that has thousands of readers a day (such as Joe My God) but the people who do read us are important people. Who then cite our views on the situation in various news articles in dead tree publishing. But our opponents, who I refer to collectively as Anti-Gay, Inc., are equally as engaged with promoting their views on the internet. But our supporters are younger while the opponents supporters are older and less savvy with technology. This issue of enabling bad people to find each other is one of the unintended consequences of technology. Sort of like how the automobile was originally a technology to promote a cleaner enviroment.

Re:Internet promotes Christianity (1)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698826)

Pre-internet, there was a strong biased in favor of the popular in just about all things. Be they religion, hobbies, political views, etc. If something was popular, it was easy to find others who shared the interest - and they would be local and easy to communicate with. I think every village has a church, usually more than one - I've got three that I know of within five minute's walk of my home, and more than I can count right now within twenty minutes walk. But if I wanted to find satanists to talk to, before the internet... no. Not going to happen. I'd have to know one already who could introduce me. Today, it's a few seconds on google to find out anything I want, including the details of all the local sects.

You can see the same thing in hobbies, political groups... even unusually kinky pornography. It's easier for groups to form from a shared but niche interest than it used to be.

Re:Internet promotes Christianity (1)

funkatron (912521) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698834)

You don't even need to go that far. What the Vatican calls Satanism is a form of Christian belief. Worshipping Satan makes no sense without the myth structure of God, Jesus etc.

Re:Internet promotes Christianity (0)

aaron552 (1621603) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698920)

Worshipping Satan makes no sense

FTFY

Re:Internet promotes Christianity (1)

TapeCutter (624760) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698952)

What the Vatican calls Satanism is a form of Christian belief. Worshipping Satan makes no sense without the myth structure of God, Jesus etc.

I don't understand god botherers but I understand Satanists even less, they knowingly pick the losing side?

Re:Internet promotes Christianity (1)

Bengie (1121981) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698874)

The internet says that it also promotes christianity, using the same arguments. Within minutes you can research churches, bible groups and also contact them...

These other uses of the internet are also bad for them. Promoting Christianity is bad for the Catholic Church, so is being able to research their infamous past. Overall, all information is "bad" unless censored by the Catholic Church.

If you use either of these two definitions

Christian: a person who exemplifies in his or her life the teachings of Christ
Christian: exhibiting kindness or goodness

Then the Catholic Church leaders are not Christians(I don't speak against the followers who mean well).

A quick look into the history of the Catholic Church and all you find are mass murders, deceit, scandals, and abuse of power with a very light peppering of good acts. Actually, many of the base teachings are even against the Bible and blasphemous.

Personally, I'm non-denominational Christian. Most denominations pervert the teachings to their own desires.

Re:Internet promotes Christianity (1)

Jawnn (445279) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698918)

The internet says that it also promotes christianity, using the same arguments. Within minutes you can research churches, bible groups and also contact them...

Well, yeah, but according to the RCC, most of those churches, bible groups, etc. are also pathways to hell.

So, uh..., what's a good Catholic supposed to do about the evil Internet? Oh, wait...
From TFA,

The object of seminars was to scrutinise the phenomenon of Satanism with "seriousness and scientific rigour", avoiding a "superficial or sensational approach", he said.

This was just a late April Fool's Day post, right?

In other news... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35698958)

The Telegraph reports that the Roman Catholic Church has warned that the internet has fueled a surge in Satanism that has led to a sharp rise in the demand for exorcists

In other news:
... morons are able to find self-diagnosing information much more easily on the internet.
... finding Exorcists to utilize their services has gotten much easier with the internet.
... Exorcists communicate between each other much more easily with the internet.

I'm sure there was a "surge in Satanism" when the telephone was invented, and again with the phonebook.

But don't let the obvious get in the way of zealots.

Re:Internet promotes Christianity (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35698996)

Thats reason enough to Ban the internet.

Re:Internet promotes Christianity (1)

rolfwind (528248) | more than 3 years ago | (#35699008)

I have to disagree.

I was once asked by a more religious person, "How does one go about becoming an atheist?"

"Read the bible," I replied.

What's wrong with Santa-ism? (2)

thomasdz (178114) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698684)

Santa is an important part of Christmas, he brings gifts and reminds us to go to church and .... ohh SATANism, not SANTAism

ok, nevermind

Internet promotes everything (1)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698692)

Just shows how tolerant they are of alternative views.

Sort of reminds me of the radical Muslims today, and how they are killing people over a simple book burning. Tolerant and understanding my ass. Its 'my way or the highway' ( except highway is death ).

Re:Internet promotes everything (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35698736)

It's just that damn lag. Muslims are a few centuries behind Christians in that regard.

Re:Internet promotes everything (1)

Luckyo (1726890) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698806)

Shame that you have to go AC to state something that's that obvious. Looking at Christians about 600 years ago, they're pretty much a carbon copy of modern islam, with witch hunts and having women basically as home slaves on one end (compare woman headdress from 600 years ago in catholic heartland of Italy and modern islamic woman headdress), and killing off scientists and seeking political control on other.

Considering that Islams roots are in the same religion as Christianity, and that the main difference is that they were born 600 years later... yeah.

Naturally, (3, Interesting)

aBaldrich (1692238) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698702)

>He said Pope Benedict XVI believed "wholeheartedly" in the practice of exorcism.

Well of course, demons are part of the christian cosmology. I think it would be very strange if Benedict did no believe in exorcism. It's like not believing in Jesus's resurrection.

If anyone is interested in exorcism, I recommend the books of Gabriele Amorth [wikipedia.org] . He's an Italian exorcist, and although his work is not the official doctrine, it's still very interesting to read.

Re:Naturally, (1)

lennier1 (264730) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698752)

Don't forget: Before he became pope he was the head of what's left of the Inquisition (and I don't mean the Monty Python variety). That should tell you a thing or three.

Re:Naturally, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35698780)

That's interesting, because I recently saw a video about exorcisms on youtube [youtube.com]

uh... (1)

dr_strang (32799) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698704)

April Fools is over, guys.

Well fair is fair (2, Insightful)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698706)

If the Catholic church can get away with an apology for the rape of countless young boys and girls on behalf of its members, then please your Holiness, accept this apology on behalf of the internet for our "satanic" practices.

Sex scandal = Satan exists within Catholic Church (2)

infolation (840436) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698782)

If the Catholic church can get away with an apology for the rape of countless young boys and girls on behalf of its members, then please your Holiness, accept this apology on behalf of the internet for our "satanic" practices.

This is exactly what the article claims is the proof of their assertation.

The Vatican's chief exorcist claimed last year that the Devil lurked in the Vatican...

...He claimed that the sex abuse scandals which have engulfed the Church... ...were proof that the anti-Christ was waging a war against the Holy See.

Re:Sex scandal = Satan exists within Catholic Chur (1)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698830)

"Our priests didn't really rape children! It was Satan that made them do it! He put his sin-tentacles into the priests' brains and manipulated them, so you can't hold the priests responsible for their actions."

Re:Sex scandal = Satan exists within Catholic Chur (1)

AK Marc (707885) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698878)

One, it wasn't the fact that priests abused children that was the work of the anti-Christ, it was the scandals generated. It was much better for them when they would just shuffle known child rapists from one place to another and lie to everyone in the community about it. But for some reason, that evil anti-Christ turned that into a scandal.

And two, in Japan, Satan wouldn't have used his tentacles on the priests brains, but on the children directly. Uh oh, am I going to hell for that one?

Re:Sex scandal = Satan exists within Catholic Chur (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35698924)

"...He claimed that the sex abuse scandals which have engulfed the Church... ...were proof that the anti-Christ was waging a war against the Holy See."

Yeah, it certainly wasn't promoted by the Vatican turning a blind eye to the early reports and just shuffling the offending members from parish to parish to hide them and avoid a big scandal, which would have given it a lot of time to fester and grow.

hahahahehehaeh (1)

Lillebo (1561251) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698708)

hehhahehhehaheahehehahahahh hah ahhah ahhahha hahhahahahahhhahahahaha

Re:hahahahehehaeh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35698842)

I was thinking something more along the lines of MWAHAHAHAHAHAH

When will civilization grow up? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35698716)

Organized religion is a means of control. All of them. Muslim wahhabii nutcases and their morality police. Teatards who bleat the tired "America is a Christian nation" lie. Mor(m)ons and California's proposition 8 idiocy.

And we wonder why society is so fucked up?

Re:When will civilization grow up? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35698906)

With attitudes like that, your post is the perfect example of one reason society is messed up. Religion does far more good than harm. If you want a messed up society look at societies without religion - like the USSR was (although even then, they didn't completely outlaw religions). Nazi Germany was not religious. Hitler said he didn't want to get rid of all religions but he was not friendly to religions.

I'm not saying I like all religions but your post is so bitter and negative, it's depressing. Besides, let's substitute "organized religion" with government and we could make all governments seem bad: "Governments [are] a means of control. All of them." So? Anarchy works really well doesn't it? There's nothing that promotes rights and freedom like an anarchic society. Control is good. It can certainly be abused but controls keep us free. This applies to organized religions as well.

Reverting to name calling doesn't help your arguments.

They are afraid of an educated populance (5, Insightful)

earthforce_1 (454968) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698718)

They can't control the flow of information and keep the people in check through ignorance like they used to. Much harder to cover up church scandals like pedophile priests with the internet available to a wide population.

Satan? (1)

AnotherBrian (319405) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698720)

Oh, you're serious?
Let me laugh even harder.

Internet also promotes.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35698726)

..all forms of religion, martial arts, fighting, weaponry, pedophilia, racism, communism amongst other things. Internet should be banned!
Never mind that it also promotes science, education, entertainment, and porn. (yes I deliberately put porn in with the good stuff)

Attendees (1, Informative)

Tigger's Pet (130655) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698734)

"Organizers of a six-day conference that has brought together more than 60 Catholic clergy as well as doctors, psychologists, psychiatrists, teachers and youth workers..."

As well as a constantly changing harem of young boys (and a couple of young girls for those who really want to go against the Catholic creed)

Re:Attendees (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35698898)

thats what they mean with 'youth-workers' eh?

cthulhu fhtagn (2)

WizardMarnok (2032762) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698740)

ia!

welcoming the enemy? (1)

Alan R Light (1277886) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698748)

"Organizers of a six-day conference that has brought together more than 60 Catholic clergy as well as doctors, psychologists, psychiatrists, teachers and youth workers."

Am I the only one with such a low opinion of various professions as to think that the Vatican has invited their enemy into their midst?

Re:welcoming the enemy? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35698848)

You have a low opinion of doctors?

Re:welcoming the enemy? (1, Insightful)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698852)

This isn't a conference for outsiders. Those doctors-etc are still going to be Catholics, and devout ones too if they are getting an invite. They arn't inviting the enemy into their midst, they are inviting in members of the small intersection of the set of medical professionals and the set of demon-believing Catholics. Probably most of them work at Catholic-run or at least Christian-run schools and hospitals, as those employed anywhere else would be risking their jobs by openly admitting they believe some cases of mental illness are caused by demonic posession.

idle story? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35698754)

whats this story doing in 'tech' ?

Internet promotes informed knowledge (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35698762)

All the religions and governmental systems are worried the interwebs are allowing more informed information than the propaganda commonly controlled by the powers in charge. People are finding more in common with each other via the internet channels than the policy fed by old media and controlled release policy run by Big Power Inc.

This is why I support Chaotic Net Neutrality (1)

cognoscentus (1628459) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698770)

That is all.

Stop laughing, start confronting. (4, Interesting)

Turn-X Alphonse (789240) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698776)

While most of Slashdot it is laughing I think we should be taking this as a serious issue and find ways to confront it. We may think the religion is full of ignorants, but they can still have geek kids who get abused and treated badly because they want to play D&D or play some video games. For those who remember Columbine and how geeks got treated, keep that mentality but instead of it just being a small part of your life it becomes your entire life. Your family, friends and everyone you know is calling you a devil worshipper because you want to tell and story and roll some dice.

Stop laughing and start looking for the tears. These people are ruining children's lives and we should be supporting them not laughing at their abusers from a high horse.

Re:Stop laughing, start confronting. (1)

aaron552 (1621603) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698946)

Wait... the Catholic Church still thinks that D&D and video games are satanic?
*grabs torch and pitchfork*
BURN THE WITCHES!

SlashTweaks (1)

cpscotti (1032676) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698778)

I wish SlashTeaks had lived long enough for me to edit the title into:
"Vatican Warns That Internets Promotes Satanism"

Satan? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35698788)

Sorry, I always thought Satan was a Christian invention.

Re:Satan? (3, Informative)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698872)

More of a re-invention. Satan as a character is Jewish in origin, but their view of him is different. Satan to them isn't evil, or opposed to God - he is an agent of God who works to prove the faith of believers, as seen in the case of Job. He doesn't commit evil acts for their own sake, but commits evil so that the faithful may overcome it and thus grow stronger and closes to God in the struggle. Christianity started with that character, but reworked it entirely - turning Satan from the good-natured adversary into the antithesis of God, the Evil to God's Good, a character filled with spite and hate who revels in suffering and is driven to oppose all that is Godly. That is the Satan we have come to know today, perhaps because he is just far more interesting. Various sects and writers fine-tuned the details - transposing elements of pagan gods to give the goatlegs-and-wings image we would all recognise today.

Milton did some very nice work on Satan - he turned the rather vague and open-to-interpretation mentions in the bible into a coherent narrative of Satan's origin as the fallen angel who thought himself God's equal and was struck down in his pride, thus becoming dedicated to corrupting God's greatest work: Mankind. Milton actually thought he did a bit too well on that, as he was most displeased when people actually started seeing the prince of darkness as a sympathetic character.

The Vatican should wikipedia "Satanism"! (1)

Theovon (109752) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698790)

It's too bad they didn't or else they wouldn't have a mixed-up impression of what Satanism is. It's basically hedonistic humanism with a license to destroy those who get in the way of your fun. This is doesn't necessarily make it BETTER, but it's important to realize that most (many? some?) Satanists don't really believe in Satan as a real being, although they may believe in Satan as an archetype or metaphor. (BTW, Shatan was a god in the ancient Hebrew pantheon (perhaps equivalent to Loki). You knew that ancient Hebrew religion was really polytheistic and it was later pasted over and reinterpreted as montheistic, didn't you?)

My point is that it pays to understand what you're up against, and I often think that Christians use "Satanism" incorrectly. They're battling a strawman.

Re:The Vatican should wikipedia "Satanism"! (1)

imroy (755) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698902)

You knew that ancient Hebrew religion was really polytheistic and it was later pasted over and reinterpreted as monotheistic, didn't you?

I do now, thanks to two videos on Youtube by Evid3nc3:

Just don't be put off by his recent reconversion [youtube.com] :)

Re:The Vatican should wikipedia "Satanism"! (1)

Dragonslicer (991472) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698972)

(BTW, Shatan was a god in the ancient Hebrew pantheon (perhaps equivalent to Loki). You knew that ancient Hebrew religion was really polytheistic and it was later pasted over and reinterpreted as montheistic, didn't you?)

First, minor nitpick, it's Satan, not Shatan. And actually, in Job it's always Ha-Satan, so Satan is a normal noun, not a name (the prefix ha means "the"). It's usually translated as "the adversary" or "the accuser".

Second, I've always heard of Satan being considered an angel or some other sort of divine being, but not a "real" god. Looking at the Hebrew, though, it says Satan is one of b'nei ha-elohim, which is either "sons of the gods" or "sons of God". Someone much more knowledgeable than I would have to comment on that one.

As for the polytheistic pantheon, it is a bit strange. The Torah seems to take for granted that the gods of the other nations exist, considering how often the Hebrew God does nasty things to them, but they're always considered inferior beings and not the supreme deity that should be worshiped. It's unfortunate that there was so much common knowledge that the Torah assumed everyone already knew, but that isn't quite so common anymore.

Re:The Vatican should wikipedia "Satanism"! (1)

aaron552 (1621603) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698974)

They've set up enough of their own. It's good to see them getting a taste of it themselves.

religious freedom (1)

Jeek Elemental (976426) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698794)

surely satanism is as valid a religion as any other, and a downright peaceloving one if you compare bodycount with some of the mainstream ones.

Re:religious freedom (2)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698900)

Confusingly, there are several very different religions that bear the label of 'satanism.' There are some that go back centuries, often new forms of what were once nature-worship pagan cults. Some are mishmashes of imagery, often taking the symbols of Satan but not believing in the character as an actual being - rather as a representation of human nature. And then there are the ones the others look down upon, the ones born more recently of cultural rebellion and the appeal of the forbidden, which get their religion more from horror movies than ancient texts.

Not hard to believe... (1)

AchilleTalon (540925) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698798)

Not hard to believe, this explains the Internet Explorer market share.

definitely not god (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35698800)

lolztionary: satanism, a belief defined by Judeo-Christianism.

Gutenberg (4, Insightful)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698802)

Hrm, where have we heard this one before?

Re:Gutenberg (1)

retroworks (652802) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698904)

Darn you're fast.

The Vatican is more dangerous. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35698804)

The Vatican promotes religion which is just as dangerous as Satanism. Actually, Satanism has never caused any harm, the same can't be said of Catholicism.

But... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35698812)

Who would you trust leaving you little boy with, the vatican, or satanists? Tough call.

Church and obvious threats (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35698818)

Guess he confuses satanism an pedophilia?

Alternatively... (2)

Zouden (232738) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698836)

The internet makes it much easier to find (mis)information about "demonic possession" and therefore increase the demand for exorcists.
I think it goes something like this:
1. Fundamentalist parent is concerned that teenage daughter's behaviour indicates she's dabbling in the occult, or demonic possession,
2. Parent looks up symptoms of demonic possession on the internet, finds other fundamentalist parents who describe similar symptoms ("Once I smelled alcohol on my daughter's breath!"), thus confirming parent's fears,
3. Parent calls for an exorcist,
4. Profit (for some).

Re:Alternatively... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35698930)

But they spell it "prophet" to create confusion.

Why all the worry about Satan? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35698840)

As opposed to that other bastard in the first part of the "good book"?

So let me get this straight (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35698846)

'Father Nanni warned that priests and the faithful should never look at the prayers and rites of exorcism as being "a magic formula."' <sarcasm>Heavens, no, of course not. That would imply exorcism were some kind of witchcraft. </sarcasm>

Some participants and speakers said they're convinced demonic influence has increased drastically, in part because of the growth of "La Santa Muerta" in Mexico and other cults, voodoo, witchcraft and Satanic practices, as well as increasing secularism and lack of connection with God and the sacraments."

"The devil has more power today precisely because there is more sin, he said."

Remind me again why the catholic church stopped burning witches?
Ah, yes, Mainly because people ceased to believe in the power of Witchcraft and in the existence of a Satanic conspiracy [summerlands.com] .

So first they stop burning witches because they ceased to believe in the power of witchcraft, but now apparently they changed their minds and complain there's more sin and witchcraft. Guess why?

Some people are desperately trying to get us into the new dark ages. That's not to say times haven't changed of course. Technology has advanced considerably. Where previously people were burnt at the stake, now we have flame throwers.

yet more (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35698858)

this is just yet more darn claptrap from someone that is seeing a real decline in funds because more people are beginning to see that All religions offer nothing but tales myhts and legends with Zero substance and Zero factual proof .

RELIGION is the original method for the few to the many by using scare mongering and threats of all sorts of horrendous deaths it is enough to make you laugh the knickers of of you ..

have you heard about Audi's new car they are calling it the Doodi Humm the Audi Doodi

Water is wet. Grass is green. (1)

Qwrk (760868) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698866)

And I reckon' that the behaviour of the Roman Catholic Church has led to a sharp rise in the demand for psychologists, psychiatrists, children's welfare workers, and other people caring for the abused and downtrodden.

Vatican Warns That Internet Promotes Satanism... (2)

Bizzeh (851225) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698870)

...Internet Warns That Vatican Promotes Cultism

Christianity Promotes Satanism (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35698888)

They made him up, didn't they?

Remember the "printing press"? (2)

retroworks (652802) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698894)

The Catholic Church has had some bad experiences with this in the past. Think 1450 AD was bad? The internet is like Gutenberg on speed. Satan actually maintains one of the tamer websites, I've discovered things way more evil than Satan on the internet, and things more godly than church. Next thing you know, people won't have to attend choir to enjoy music.

Job Creation! (0)

RaiIGunner (1973954) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698896)

Look what the internet can do for you! First it brought about the election of an unqualified US POTUS, then it brought about a war in Libya, and now it has job opportunities for you in exorcism!

the irony (1)

maakri (1914602) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698934)

of child molesters complaining about satanism.

Good for business (1)

Chemisor (97276) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698936)

The free market can save them. Whenever there is a sharp rise in demand - raise prices. Charge more for exorcism and make some serious cash. Oh, wait, catholics think that profit is a sin...

oh those wacky Christians (2)

jollyreaper (513215) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698964)

I'd always thought that the one advantage they'd have to the existence of demonic possession and proof of Satan would be that they could at least say "See? That part of the story's right. So you have to believe that there's a God, too!" But, as many have pointed out, one doesn't always follow the other. A pagan could point to the tree shattered by the thunderbolt and say that this is proof of Zeus for where else could such a bolt have come from? Before science explained such things, the skeptic's arguments were as baseless as the pagan's claims. If there are demons, does this imply there must be a Satan? And even if all of Catholic demonology were proven to be accurate in the enumeration and ranking of such things, could we trust church dogma on their origin story?

I always liked the idea of a story where the demonic possessions are happening and are supernatural, not just misdiagnosed epilepsy, and yet a very effective exorcist is himself an unbeliever in the faith.

It also makes me think of a possibly apocryphal story....

LEGEND HAS IT that in the early 1920s one of Vladimir Lenin's fellow Bolsheviks asked him to justify the growing number of atrocities they were committing in the name of a socialist future. "If you want to make an omelet," Lenin insisted, "you have to be willing to break a few eggs." To which the Bolshevik replied, "Comrade, I see the broken eggs everywhere. But where, oh where, is the omelet?"

I see your demons but where is your God?

The Vatican has its own Satan worshippers... (1, Insightful)

jenningsthecat (1525947) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698968)

...who cover up the crimes of baby-raping priests in order to protect their own interests.

Not that I believe any of this God/Satan claptrap, but if you're gonna accuse others of Satanism, it's incumbent upon you to have a long, hard, honest look at yourself before doing so.

BTW, the Catholic church isn't primarily a religious institution, any more than the Mafia is primarily a waste disposal business. It's a huge financial and political entity - soul-saving and Satan-stomping are just tools to help maintain and consolidate the power base.

Isn't the reverse also true? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35698976)

If this logic makes sense, then the reverse should also be true. Shouldn't more people be turning to God because of catholicscomehome.org, religion.com, wikipedia religious information and the thousands of religious websites now available to people who may have never reached to a church until the Internet? For example, a Google search for United Methodist Church yields 11.7 million sites to explore, only 2.5 million for Satanism. So if we use the Internet as an excuse, shouldn't 5x more people be turning to God than Satan?

No no no no (2)

ewe2 (47163) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698990)

I'm certain that the Elders of the Internet [eldersoftheinternet.com] would never allow Satanism to flourish. Unless it hadn't been properly demagnetized...

re internet (1)

freddieb (537771) | more than 3 years ago | (#35698994)

Sounds like a good way to make some money!

On the rise, yes I thought so (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35699018)

An exorcist should be called when "the moral certainty has been reached that the person is possessed", said Father Nanni, a member of the Vatican's Congregation for the Causes of Saints. That could be indicated by radical and disturbing changes in the person's behaviour and voice, or an ability to garble in foreign languages or nonsensical gibberish. Father Gabriele Amorth said people who are possessed by Satan vomit shards of glass and pieces of iron, scream, dribble and slobber, utter blasphemies and have to be physically restrained

Dear Vatican,
 
My child has autism. She puts stuff in his mouth [asatonline.org] - anything. Most of the time she just speaks gibberish [medhelp.org] but she also does the echolalia [wikipedia.org] thing to the point some people think she speaks fluent Japanese [wordpress.com] ! One day, after ingesting some shards of glass and pieces of iron, she threw them up and started dribbling and slobbering. I suppose she was in pain or perhaps just upset because she was screaming [bellaonline.com] and uttering blasphemies [wrongplanet.net] too. This all happened at school and as she was uncontrollable, she was deemed to need to be physically restrained [orlandosentinel.com] .

Should I call an excorcist?

Love,
H.

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