Beta
×

Welcome to the Slashdot Beta site -- learn more here. Use the link in the footer or click here to return to the Classic version of Slashdot.

Thank you!

Before you choose to head back to the Classic look of the site, we'd appreciate it if you share your thoughts on the Beta; your feedback is what drives our ongoing development.

Beta is different and we value you taking the time to try it out. Please take a look at the changes we've made in Beta and  learn more about it. Thanks for reading, and for making the site better!

XBMC Gets a Dedicated Remote

CmdrTaco posted more than 3 years ago | from the keep-'em-dedicated dept.

Input Devices 87

Malard writes "XBMC users can rejoice, developers from the team have partnered with Motorola to re-develop their previously announced Nyxboard remote with RF, programmable IR and full support on Windows, Mac, Linux and Original Apple TVs."

Sorry! There are no comments related to the filter you selected.

Motorola?! = Locked Bootloader (2)

earls (1367951) | more than 3 years ago | (#35719864)

Without a doubt, I'm sure it will ship with a locked bootloader. How am I suppose to root and flash my remote with such nonsense? COM'ON!!11

Re:Motorola?! = Locked Bootloader (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35719882)

I dont care as long as it works (with MythTV too).

Re:Motorola?! = Locked Bootloader (1)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 3 years ago | (#35719910)

This. I'd love to replace that craptastic mceusb remote...

Re:Motorola?! = Locked Bootloader (1)

earls (1367951) | more than 3 years ago | (#35719946)

I wish XBMC would get native TV Tuner support. :(

Re:Motorola?! = Locked Bootloader (1)

BLKMGK (34057) | more than 3 years ago | (#35720682)

The HDHomerun is supported. For more than that and particularly DVR support you'll need to run a Myth backend. No way are the devs going to reinvent THAT wheel! They have stated this more than once BTW.

Re:Motorola?! = Locked Bootloader (1)

ArhcAngel (247594) | more than 3 years ago | (#35720850)

Does it work with the newer HomeRun Dual? [silicondust.com] At $129.00 it is very tempting.

Re:Motorola?! = Locked Bootloader (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35721016)

AFAIK, the newer homerun is fully compatible with the older one, so: Yes!

Re:Motorola?! = Locked Bootloader (1)

BLKMGK (34057) | more than 3 years ago | (#35721054)

It should, I have the old Dual Tuner model that used two inputs and it worked - each tuner is addressed separately.

That said, I have not been using my tuner for awhile so before jumping in with both feet check out the forums and make sure folks aren't bitching. XBMC is still maturing for stuff like this so be sure that all features you want are there. The HDHomeruns are pretty cool devices no matter what - especially considering the price! I'd like to get a good Myth setup going and use one as a DVR backend for my XBMC boxes. Currently I just pull from my TiVO :-)

Re:Motorola?! = Locked Bootloader (-1)

clang_jangle (975789) | more than 3 years ago | (#35720132)

I already have a much better remote for my HTPC -- also commonly called a wireless keyboard with trackball. Gives me way more control and is much easier to use than some consumer-grade doodad with a hundred tiny buttons with labels too small to read.

Re:Motorola?! = Locked Bootloader (1)

snowraver1 (1052510) | more than 3 years ago | (#35720868)

You have an industrial grade wireless keyboard? Cool.

Re:Motorola?! = Locked Bootloader (1)

daid303 (843777) | more than 3 years ago | (#35721176)

You have an industrial grade HTPC? Cool.

Re:Motorola?! = Locked Bootloader (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35721380)

You have an industrial grade HTPC? Cool.

What the hell is a 'hot top pc' ?

Re:Motorola?! = Locked Bootloader (1)

ottothecow (600101) | more than 3 years ago | (#35720966)

I have one of those lenovo wireless keyboards with trackball. It is great for controlling my XBMC box (especially when I hit \ to drop out of XBMC and go do some browsing)

I would still consider something like this though. My keyboard can't control my TV or receiver so I still need another remote or two. I have an older harmony but the interface is a little laggy compared to the original remotes and I have yet to get an IR dongle for my ion-based XBMC box.

If this can do the basic TV functions (honestly the only thing I use is the power switch...all my content comes from XBMC unless it is some live televised coverage that I want to see) and assuming that the programmable IR can also be made to turn on and control the volume on my receiver...this would be better than the harmony.

Re:Motorola?! = Locked Bootloader (1)

clang_jangle (975789) | more than 3 years ago | (#35721728)

My keyboard can't control my TV

Doing it wrong. A "TV" is akin to a "console stereo". All you need is a good monitor, a tuner, and a computer. And a wireless keyboard with trackball. And a good amp and speaker system. Okay, and you need (healthy) snacks too. And weed. Don't forget the weed!

Re:Motorola?! = Locked Bootloader (1)

b0bby (201198) | more than 3 years ago | (#35723208)

The ashtray, the paddle game, and the remote control, and that's all I need... And these matches.

should not every citizen have armed robot escort (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35719874)

just to be fair/safe? it would also need to be able to convert itself into a bunker, ark, sub-orbital vehicle, condominium etc.., as needed, to be safe, from the ever expanding chosen ones holycostal depopulation schemes? didn't we already pay for them (personal robots)?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDVt_hSo_EU&feature=player_embedded

Re:should not every citizen have armed robot escor (1)

Hatta (162192) | more than 3 years ago | (#35720200)

Yes, and they should be controlled by XBMC remotes.

Re:should not every citizen have armed robot escor (1)

camperdave (969942) | more than 3 years ago | (#35720614)

Holycostal? What is that, the shores of the Vatican?

Excellent! (4, Interesting)

chill (34294) | more than 3 years ago | (#35719898)

I've been looking at the XBMC wiki for how to program a Logitech Harmony -- or any other universal remote -- and was thinking "they have to be kidding". Modify the keyboard.xml file by hand?

I've been using the Android app and my phone as a remote, but it is limited. This will save a bunch of headaches.

Re:Excellent! (3, Informative)

rylin (688457) | more than 3 years ago | (#35719970)

Seriously?
Plex (XBMC fork) has had full support for Logitech Harmony for ages now.

Re:Excellent! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35720184)

No not seriously. Only half serious. If you are like me and have a Windows Media Center ir receiver and ubuntu(there are many kinds but I just happen to have a WMC one) you just load up LIRC and done. Then you can configure the remote using Logitech's Harmony remote software to your liking. Now if you wanna get funky (or awesome depending on your mood) with your set up... the more power to you.

Re:Excellent! (2)

chill (34294) | more than 3 years ago | (#35720474)

That was not my experience.

I purchased a WMC remote w/IR receiver and was using XBMC Live (Ubuntu-based) that was then loaded to the hard drive. LIRC is on there.

The WMC remote maybe has 6 keys that worked off the bat. Unfortunately, "back" wasn't one of them. Up, Down, Left, Right, Stop and Play yes but I can't navigate back out of a menu.

If the WMC worked right, then yes I could use it to teach the Harmony and all would be right with the world. But it was barely functional out of the box.

Re:Excellent! (1)

JDAustin (468180) | more than 3 years ago | (#35722162)

That was not my experience.

I purchased a WMC remote w/IR receiver and was using XBMC Live (Ubuntu-based) that was then loaded to the hard drive. LIRC is on there.

The WMC remote maybe has 6 keys that worked off the bat. Unfortunately, "back" wasn't one of them. Up, Down, Left, Right, Stop and Play yes but I can't navigate back out of a menu.

If the WMC worked right, then yes I could use it to teach the Harmony and all would be right with the world. But it was barely functional out of the box.

I had the exact opposite results. I had XBMC running on WinXP and had to do a bunch of regedits to get a WMC remote to work. When I reinstalled with XBMC Live, the remote just worked.

Re:Excellent! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35720314)

Am I looking at the wrong Plex here: http://www.plexapp.com/pc.php [plexapp.com]
"Plex Media Server seamlessly connects your Plex clients with all of your local and online media."

So it can use a windows system as the server, but you can only watch the media on:
          Plex Media Center for the Mac.
          iPad, iPhone and iPod touch devices via the Plex iOS app.
          Android devices via the Plex for Android app.
          2011 LG Netcast enabled HDTVs and the LG Smart TV Upgrader.

I'll stick with XBMC and use my bluetooth keyboard and windows media center remote.

Re:Excellent! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35720220)

You'll get much better answers in the forum than the wiki. Depending on what OS you're running there are numerous solutions that don't involve editing the keyboard.xml file. Of course if you want to get the absolute most from your setup this gives you the most power.

http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?t=95063

Re:Excellent! (1)

SScorpio (595836) | more than 3 years ago | (#35720378)

It depends on the IR receiver you are using, but I'm using a Windows MCE receiver and I have the Harmony setup as a standard MCE remote all of the mappings for the Live CD version worked correctly without modifying any of the configs.

Re:Excellent! (1)

chill (34294) | more than 3 years ago | (#35720512)

Then I have to try that again, because the WMC remote w/IR that I bought didn't work out of the box. Only a few buttons worked and "back" wasn't one of them.

I'll see about programming the Harmony as a Windows MCE and see what happens.

I am using the Live CD version, installed on HD.

Re:Excellent! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35722188)

The WMC remote seems to have been recently targeted by LIRC to "Just Work", as far as I can tell. Mine works great with my Ubuntu Desktop with XBMC.

Re:Excellent! (1)

NFN_NLN (633283) | more than 3 years ago | (#35720514)

I've been looking at the XBMC wiki for how to program a Logitech Harmony -- or any other universal remote -- and was thinking "they have to be kidding". Modify the keyboard.xml file by hand?

I've been using the Android app and my phone as a remote, but it is limited. This will save a bunch of headaches.

It's a little work but well worth it.

I picked up the Sony Bluetooth Remote (PS3) on sale for ~$16 and a Bluetooth dongle for ~$7.
The result is awesome. Works no matter where I am in the house and the button layout on the remote is nice. I just modified "slow step" "forward/backward" to be the volume control.

The PS3 remote is unbeatable for the price!

Re:Excellent! (1)

Tek12 (969515) | more than 3 years ago | (#35723418)

Except that with Bluetooth, the device never sleeps unless you configure it to sleep after x minutes to save battery life. I've had the PS3 remote with a Kensington USB Bluetooth dongle on Mac & Plex running for a while now and this is my biggest complaint. The batteries die seemingly within days. If I instruct it to sleep after x minutes to save battery life, then you need to mash keys on the remote to wake it up in Plex which is annoying as well. I've bought Remote Buddy for Mac to use the remote with Mac software.

Re:Excellent! (1)

NFN_NLN (633283) | more than 3 years ago | (#35726680)

Except that with Bluetooth, the device never sleeps unless you configure it to sleep after x minutes to save battery life. I've had the PS3 remote with a Kensington USB Bluetooth dongle on Mac & Plex running for a while now and this is my biggest complaint. The batteries die seemingly within days. If I instruct it to sleep after x minutes to save battery life, then you need to mash keys on the remote to wake it up in Plex which is annoying as well. I've bought Remote Buddy for Mac to use the remote with Mac software.

I use XBMC over Windows along with "PS3 Application" to control the remote. At one point I do remember a bug where the program didn't sleep the remote. It works now, just a programming issue.

Re:Excellent! (1)

BLKMGK (34057) | more than 3 years ago | (#35720618)

Duh, program it to use MCE keycodes, no XML required. I have programmed two Harmony using an old MCE remote and they work well.

That said, 2x of these new remotes will likely follow me home soon :-)

Re:Excellent! (1)

Marble68 (746305) | more than 3 years ago | (#35722310)

THIS THIS THIS..

Re:Excellent! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35720710)

Uhm, you don't need to anything in XBMC for a logitech remote. Just add the MCE remote device into the logitech remote and it works!

Re:Excellent! (1)

cdh (6170) | more than 3 years ago | (#35720752)

I've been using Harmony remotes (550s) with my 2 XMBC installs (one Mac, one Windows) for about 2 years and have yet to touch a keyboard.xml file. If you select a Windows Media Center setup for the Windows one it just works. The only thing that doesn't seem to work is "page up"/"page down" (which does work on the Mac, but I don't remember what I have that setup as).

Re:Excellent! (1)

IronChef (164482) | more than 3 years ago | (#35722114)

I didn't have to modify the keyboard config file by hand to use my Harmony... But I did have to spend a long time f'ing around with EventGhost. (My Harmony-compatible IR receiver is a USB-IRT, which I bought ages ago to use with SageTV.)

Last I looked the xbmc wiki was way out of date or simply silent on some topics. The forums were the best source of info, but also the most newb-hostile forums I had ever seen. Newcomers were often referred to sticky threads that were out of date. Development moved quickly and you had to be an xbmc enthusiast to keep up with the changes.

It's an awesome package though, and worth the time to figure out.

Re:Excellent! (1)

Marble68 (746305) | more than 3 years ago | (#35722302)

No, not serious.

I use my Harmony with XBMC and have ZERO issues and programming was a breeze.

Just tell the Harmony it's using a MCE keyboard. Then, in the Harmony SW you can modify the buttons to your liking.

It couldn't be simpler. Start here http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?t=77519 [xbmc.org]

Re:Excellent! (1)

DedTV (1652495) | more than 3 years ago | (#35731228)

I buy whatever the cheapest remote/IR Receiver combo I can find at the time (can usually find one for under $15), toss the remote, keep the receiver for use with a Harmony.

To maximize what you can do with the Harmony, without digging into the keymap.xml file and keeping everything simple and easy, just set up both "MCE Remote" and "MCE Keyboard" as devices in the Harmony software.
(Computer > Media Center PC > Microsoft > Then Enter "MCE Remote" or "MCE Keyboard" as the model in the Harmony Software).

Then when programming your activity to control XBMC, customize the buttons to use a mix of the two with the media center remote functions handling most of the basic things like play, pause and fast forward and the MCE Keyboard to send XBMC Keyboard Shortcuts [xbmc.org] for things like bringing up the OSD and context menus or to fix anything that the MCE Remote functions don't do right.

It won't let you do any of the more advanced things you could do by digging into the keymap file, but it works fine for all the basic functions you'd likely need on a day to day basis and is a snap to set up.

XMBC? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35719918)

What's so XBMC about this?

I've been looking for a programmable universal remote, with RF for modern stuff (e.g. Wii or PS3) - which rules out the Logitech Harmony range (unless that's changed recently), and some kind of PC remote control (Audacious, Mplayer).

Is this what I'm looking for? I do not own, and do not plan to buy an Xbox.

Re:XMBC? (4, Informative)

Anaerin (905998) | more than 3 years ago | (#35720010)

XBMC is no longer (Officially) on the XBox, it has had a Linux branch for a long time now, and now also has OSX and Windows versions. It's also the codebase that Boxee and Plex were forked from. I'd suggest you take a look at it, as it's truly an awesome media center.

Re:XMBC? (1)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 3 years ago | (#35720012)

As I understand it, XBMC is pretty much a misnomer these days. Unless I'm thinking of a different project, I believe it runs on HTPCs as well, sort of as a less convoluted MythTV alternative without Live Tuner support.

Been considering ditching LinHES since Comscat keeps moving all the good channels to digital-only...

Re:XMBC? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35720202)

The newer Logitech remotes do support RF, but do not support native RF to the Wii. The PS3 doesn't natively support RF, only Bluetooth, all the devices that use RF (like the Rockband/Guitar Hero instruments) require a dongle. There is a Logitech PS3 adapter that allows you to control the PS3 with a Harmony, but I believe it's IR between the remote and the adapter.

Finally... (1, Insightful)

MoldySpore (1280634) | more than 3 years ago | (#35719974)

...I can get rid of the crappy remote I was using. Since my harmony didn't work with it well I was using a standard Meritline special, that basically just did mouse and keyboard inputs. Got the job done, but I would much rather have the full functionality of XBMC in my hand instead of the work around method I was using. This will really turn XBMC into the all-in-one media front end it was meant to be. It will also be much less daunting of a task to control for some of the less tech-savvy out there, such as my parents. They have no issues using the keyboard/mouse combo, but a remote that has all the functions you need built in (such as being able to bring up all the various menus) will make like easier for a lot of people.

Meh (1, Interesting)

hcdejong (561314) | more than 3 years ago | (#35719986)

And another remote that tries to confine a computer UI into the classic TV remote. Granted, adding the keyboard is a nice touch, but it's still too limited.

I've been using a mediacenter computer for a few years now. The remote control solution I use:
- keyboard
- mouse
- Griffin Powermate

1. a mouse makes for a much better pointing device than a four-way button
2. the keyboard and VLC's configurability gives me dedicated buttons for VLC's functions, like very short jump/short jump/medium jump/long jump; crop/aspect ratio; subtitles. Much better than the buttons on this remote which are straight copies from a VCR UI.
3. the best way to control volume is a rotary knob. The Powermate is ideal for this. I never want to go back to the incredibly annoying +/- buttons on a remote.

Re:Meh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35720238)

VLC's functions, like very short jump/short jump/medium jump/long jump

Luckily XBMC doesn't have these features so a simple remote is fine.

Re:Meh (0)

Colonel Korn (1258968) | more than 3 years ago | (#35720310)

VLC's functions, like very short jump/short jump/medium jump/long jump

Luckily XBMC doesn't have these features so a simple remote is fine.

It had those features 8 years ago and still has them today. FUD.

Re:Meh (3, Informative)

MoldySpore (1280634) | more than 3 years ago | (#35720670)

Most of the higher quality HD skins for XBMC (Aeon, etc) are designed specifically to not use the mouse. Once you remove the mouse from the equation, a remote like they are offering becomes a complete solution for controlling your media center. With all its plugins, there is really never a reason to ALT+TAB out of XBMC unless you need to use a browser for something unrelated to media (there are even gmail plugins for XBMC).

Re:Meh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35722072)

lol,

WTF does this have to do with VLC? And is not one keyboard the same as any other(special keys aside)?

I have to agree on power knobs, but this is hardly new, and millions have no troubles using + or - for volume using remotes with decent repeat rates. Not only that, you just suggested using 3 interface devices totalling almost 3x the cost of this, something that will neither pass budget for a remote for an HTPC, but most certainly will not pass the WAF factor.

Incredibly annoying is having to use 3 devices to do what one can comfortably.

My beef with this thing is...Moto? Friggin really? This hunk of design retro turd looks like it jumped straight out of 1960! There's no excuse for this crappy design...how's it feel to be bested by whoever designed the boxxee box remote?

Very nice (1)

HalAtWork (926717) | more than 3 years ago | (#35720006)

Just using a standard Xbox remote receiver with a DirecTV RCA remote and it works very well, but an RF remote with a keyboard on the back? That's perfect. Ever since I saw the Boxee box I wanted to get one just so I could have the remote, but this is even better. The only other thing I could ask for on this remote would be a trackpoint -- or even better -- an analog slider a-la PSP/3DS that works as a trackpoint.

It's interesting... (4, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 3 years ago | (#35720080)

It is always a bit surprising how expensive and/or limited remotes have continued to be. The hardware for implementing IRDA (at least when purchased in USB dongle form) costs peanuts(and, while ordinary remote control IR is somewhat different in operation, it has fairly similar part count and less demanding data rates, plus much higher volume, so it could hardly cost more) on the PC side, BT HID peripherals start fairly cheap as well, and have fairly standard support in most OSes for all normal keycodes, some extended multimedia ones, as well as mouse position and button state information. Ample.

The only real complication would be dealing with the assorted wacky IR codes used by random consumer electronics. Even there, though, an IR receiver for 'learning' or a small abuse of the HID spec for allowing a utility program to download premade device control sets would be neither difficult nor expensive.

And yet, we still have just a few classes of remote: the 'free in the box, impossible to obtain a replacement' device specific ones, the dollar-store 'universal' ones(universality may vary), the MCE-yes-the-computer-is-MCE-enabled-out-of-the-box-but-it-still-comes-with-this-ghastly-USB-dongle ones(all of which seem to have hit every branch while falling out of the ugly tree), or the extremely expensive basically-an-entire-PDA fully programmable universal ones.

Re:It's interesting... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35720174)

That's not enough remote choices? What is it you're looking for here?

Oh I see, an entire PDA remote for basically nothing! Check the app store (Android or Apple), and move on with your life. Please.

Re:It's interesting... (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 3 years ago | (#35720492)

Almost exactly the contrary, in fact.

My point was that BT HID peripherals are cheap. Way, way, cheaper than the full-featured PDA-with-volume-control ones(which are justifiably expensive, given their spec). The BOM to implement IR output is also quite small(as is the one for input)

My surprise is that, as best I can tell, there isn't a class of remotes that puts these facts together, along with the low cost of microcontrollers with just a few extra GPIO pins. You can get BT HID peripherals for cheap, which will generate pretty much all the keycodes and mouse events that a computer could need; but are in desk-friendly form factors and don't have IR. You can get IR remotes for cheap, which will control home theatre type gear, and have a form factor suitable for couch use; but tend to be either clunky(with 3rd party IR receivers and some configuration) or useless for PCs. What you can't seem to get are BT HID peripherals, in couch-friendly sizes, with just a couple extra GPIO lines driving an IR unit, and a simple code programming interface over the BT HID connection. No fancy screen, no 800MHz ARM core, no WiFi, no App support, just a boring bluetooth peripheral that can also generate IR control output.

Re:It's interesting... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35721382)

The first link says:

One remote

This universal remote can control your TV thanks to the built in programmable IR.

iPhone (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35720118)

I've been using the XBMC Remote app for the iPhone for a long time and it works great. Plus, since it's all a touch screen the remote is 100% customizable.

MCE Remote (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35720252)

a cheap MCE remote, and the easily installed MCE Remote add-on (it rewrites the remote section of the registry) works perfectly for XBMC. Maps all the buttons and works seemlessly. It lacks a keyboard, which I find I need once in a blue moon... no need to edit any files by hand, its a simple 2 mintue setup and works like a dream.

Re:MCE Remote (1)

EmagGeek (574360) | more than 3 years ago | (#35723630)

Does this work for Netflix when XBMC launches IE to play the movie? I've yet to get any remote to work in IE/Netflix in XBMC.

"Info" button? (1)

dbc001 (541033) | more than 3 years ago | (#35720254)

I'll buy one. Would really appreciate it if it had an "Info" button though - that screen is such a pain to get to with most remotes.

Re:"Info" button? (1)

rasherbuyer (225625) | more than 3 years ago | (#35720602)

FFS if you bothered to look at the pictures in TFA, don't read it obviously, you'd have seen a nicely placed info button...

Re:"Info" button? (1)

BLKMGK (34057) | more than 3 years ago | (#35720662)

All of the MCE remotes I have support an Info button as I recall. They're cheap but often contain buttons you don't need. The best ones give you direct access to Movies and Music with dedicated buttons. I'll be ordering a pair of these myself though as I'd prefer RF, we'll see how they work out...

awesome (1)

pak9rabid (1011935) | more than 3 years ago | (#35720256)

I will definitely be buying this once it's out. And to those who think a keyboard/mouse is good enough...you've got to be kidding me. That is such a fugly setup for a HTPC that it's not even funny.

Slide out! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35720352)

The slide-out remote on the newer Vizio TV's seems like a much more elegant solution. You can use the keyboard while still retaining access to the other buttons. I wish more remotes were available this way.

IR v WiFi? (1)

alostpacket (1972110) | more than 3 years ago | (#35720368)

What is the advantage of IR v WiFi (if any)? XBMC would seem like a relatively natural thing for a smartphone to control, no? I think Boxee has an API for WiFi remotes you can use. There is some code explaining some of it here: http://code.google.com/p/boxeeremote/wiki/AndroidUDP [google.com]

Re:IR v WiFi? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35720826)

IR is much more power friendly.

Re:IR v WiFi? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35720952)

What is the advantage of IR v WiFi (if any)?

What about power consumption? Why would you want a remote control constantly connected to the wireless network when it's only in use for a minute fraction of the time?

You also lose any tactile feedback when using a phone.

Re:IR v WiFi? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35721258)

Uh, this device is IR capable, but also includes an RF remote, so line of sight isn't a problem. And the benefit is cost. Any WiFi capable device will be MUCH more expensive.

If you really want WiFi (which, personally, I do) and have a decent smartphone (Android at least, think someone above said iPhone too) you can get the XBMC remote which will control your XBMC machine via WiFi. It event adds viewing of movie info from your XBMC database onto the phone (or tablet too, kind of). Works really well on my Droid X.

wouldn't work for me (1)

LordKronos (470910) | more than 3 years ago | (#35720376)

I understand that people use devices differently and that for a lot of people this will be great, so I'm not trying to threadcrap here or anything. However, this remote wouldn't work for me for a couple of reasons.

1) Gyroscope that makes only one side active at a time, depending on orientation. This wouldn't work for me because I use my remotes in all sorts of orientations depending on how I happen to be sitting/laying. Often instead of pointing it at the TV, I have it in my hand, upside down (ie: my hand on my chest), with the IR signal bouncing off the back wall. In this orientation, the remote would think I'm using the keyboard.

2) Button layout. It seems so many of the remotes these days put the number keys at the very bottom of the remote, and the transport keys (play, rewind, etc) at the very top of the remote, with tons of stuff in between. This doesn't work for me because I love to use mythtv's arbitrary skip feature, where you can hit (for example) "1 - 2 - forward" to skip forward 12 minutes. I use this sort of thing all the time...mostly to deal with skipping commercials on programs where commercial detection is flaky (like shows with lots of black scenes).

Harmony 880 works fine (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35720442)

I use a Harmony 880 and it works great if you spend a little time programming it. Set it up as a keyboard, and go to town customizing it how you like. I can't remember what guide I finally followed, but the 1st few attempts I made ended up w/ a very slow-response remote. Once I found that guide it was smooth sailing. The "Info" button even works like it should, and I didn't have to modify any xml file. I also have an IR MS full-size keyboard/thumb-nub-mouse that I pull out on occasion if I need to do more on the PC besides XBMC.

I hope they learn from the Boxee remote's mistake and make this new remote have back-lighting.

Open (1)

Malard (970795) | more than 3 years ago | (#35720738)

For anyone wondering, the whole implementation will be open source, so you can port the remote to work on any other media centre, Myth, Plex, Boxee (if they want!)

I use JP1 remotes instead (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35720838)

The keyboard looks nice, but I've been using a JP-1 [hifi-remote.com] programmable remote (URC and now ATLAS based) to control my media-center for years. They provide most of the features of a Harmony (macros, punch-through, full remapping) at a fraction of the cost. That, along with the huge database of keycodes, including discrete power means that it is very easy to have a single button turn on all equipment and set the tuner properly, or to turn everything off with a single press. With XBMC, I've not found a need for the keyboard at all. However, there aren't any Bluetooth, Wi-Fi, or RF JP-1 remotes that I'm aware of, so it's getting harder to deal with some newer devices.

Configuration is pretty complicated though, so it is certainly not for the faint of heart.

most people who setup xbmc... (1)

roubles (716740) | more than 3 years ago | (#35721000)

...probably have a universal remote. What xbmc really needs is just a USB receiver. I wonder if they sell that receiver separately.

Also, from a hardware design perspective that receiver looks rather small. I think you would want to build this to have a very wide IR receiving angle. I would be interested in seeing this thing get tested in the real world.

Even with this remote, you may or may not be able to turn off/on your xbmc system from it. That depends on your motherboard/BIOS/processor.

I think, what XBMC really needs is official hardware, with a built in RF, IR receiver.

XKCD?.. I'm confused.... (1)

SJ (13711) | more than 3 years ago | (#35721074)

I read the the headline and thought... what the fark does an internet comic need a remote for?

Love tequila! Just love it.

Re:XKCD?.. I'm confused.... (1)

stillnotelf (1476907) | more than 3 years ago | (#35721198)

Perhaps you are conflating XKCD and SMBC (Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal)?

Gyroscope? (1)

gregthebunny (1502041) | more than 3 years ago | (#35721078)

FTA:

The feature with the coolest potential is a gyroscope, which tells the remote which side is facing upright. That means you can hammer away at the miniature keyboard without triggering an unintended volume change from the buttons on the other side.

Except when I'm laying in bed watching TV and I want to use the remote upside-down. I think I'll keep my AVS Gear [newegg.com] infrared remote for now, kthx.

That's nice for the multi-remote people... (3, Interesting)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 3 years ago | (#35721214)

I really prefer my Crestron remote and system. I talk to the XBMC dedicated box via tcp/ip and get two way info so that my Touchscreen remote displays elapsed time, show info, etc....

Glad to see that a XBMC specific remote is coming out with a keyboard on back to make IR remote users life's easier for searching or entering info.

and no, I'm not filthy rich.. I am using outdated Crestron gear that I bought for near nothing on ebay. you can have rapper and sports legend level home integration if you simply put the effort out there to find what is affordable and not have a "it's used, thats ooky" response to used gear.

Re:That's nice for the multi-remote people... (1)

hirschma (187820) | more than 3 years ago | (#35722588)

This sounds great. Can you give some more details about your setup? Like, what hardware, how you're doing the TCP/IP stuff, etc?

Re:That's nice for the multi-remote people... (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 3 years ago | (#35734634)

search google for crestron. or go to crestron.com

also search google for XBMC tcp-IP control. both are incredibly documented.

finally search for crestron XBMC module and you will find a great module that someone wrote and open sourced to make it super easy.

fank gawd for that (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35722184)

about time. i gave up with xbmc and bought a popcorn hour (yes popcorn hour. back before the support forums expected to LOG IN just to READ whats bloody wrong with it) after arsing around with keyboard.xml and eventghost and the like for what seemed like an eternity

but it does look a little boxee (boxy?)

Bah! (1)

Brad_McBad (1423863) | more than 3 years ago | (#35722306)

If this came with a dedicated VFD it'd be a ton better. That said, getting the mplay blast VFD / IR receiver working under ubuntu brought new meaning to the words "suck" and "pain", so embedded / native support might be nice...

Home Theater Master MX-500 Universal remote (1)

Dan667 (564390) | more than 3 years ago | (#35723078)

love it. Been using it for years with a MythTV and other devices (bluray player, etc) and have not found anything I have liked better as far as macros, remote learning, and button feel. Only thing I have really wanted is to be able to do RF as well for a dish network receiver, but have not found anything that will do both IR and RF.

Does it control anything besides XBMC/media pl (1)

Requiem18th (742389) | more than 3 years ago | (#35723322)

For a while I've been looking forward to getting this http://www.amazon.com/Portable-Wireless-Keyboard-Rechargeable-Notebooks/dp/B003UE52ME/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1298676916&sr=1-2 [amazon.com]

For half of the price, you get a keyboard+touchpad combo in a very compact package, and it has a backlight which I admit to needing most of the time. It's even more stylish, so while I agree that a dedicated remote layout is a good idea, the price, and the availability of very good alternatives make me doubt it will have that much success.

Yes, it works as a universal IR remote (1)

buchanmilne (258619) | more than 3 years ago | (#35730374)

Does it control anything besides XBMC/media pl

From one of the articles:
"The Nyxboard Hybrid supports IR to function as a universal remote for your TV and includes an RF adapter for operating your home theater device without line-of-sight."

When it launched just over a year ago, it was going for $90 ...

you get a keyboard+touchpad combo in a very compact package, and it has a backlight which I admit to needing most of the time. It's even more stylish, so while I agree that a dedicated remote layout is a good idea, the price, and the availability of very good alternatives make me doubt it will have that much success.

You weren't clear on the subject of your last sentence, but I currently have a cheap (15 GBP) RF remote for XBMC, and 4 other IR remotes (amp, TV, DVD/HDD player/recorder, Satellite receiver). While I can use the amplifier's remote for most of the functions on the TV and DVD player, I still need at least the DVD player's remote for some features (switching between HDD and DVD etc.), the bluetooth-only solution won't help me, and neither will a Logitech Harmony (currently), but the Nyxboard Hybrid remote for XBMC etc. may just ...

We just need more details on how programmable the IR portion is.

Xbox support? (1)

Kosi (589267) | more than 3 years ago | (#35724266)

I hope they ship a IR dongle for the Xbox with it or how else is this supposed to work?

btw, it's a shame that they still call it XBMC. They should have dropped that name when they ceased to make it work on the Xbox, so the few guys who continue the development for the Xbox wouldn't have had to use the rather stupid name XBMC4Xbox.

Re:Xbox support? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35724968)

Its an RF dongle, just get an xbox controller port to USB adaptor and it will/should work fine

Can I horizontal scroll now then? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35724900)

XBMC on PC is broken for me (on any OS) as you can't use a mouse to scroll within an audio track.
Okay if you're a teenage girl listening to singles on shuffle, pretty sh1tty if you're trying to listen to audio-books or lectures.

Sticking with my xbox1 until my CRT TV dies. Then I'm screwed.

Almost perfect. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35725176)

It would have been perfect, if only they had created a Bluetooth connection instead of an IR connection. Now I will have to keep working with my mini-Bluetooth keyboard and my PS/3 remote. Not that I have a PS/3, and that thing is from Sony and I want to completely boycott them. Oh well, there is no such thing as perfection.

Is it backlit? (1)

bobstreo (1320787) | more than 3 years ago | (#35725576)

The thing I hate about most remotes that come with devices (except strangely my DVR remote) is that they aren't really handy
in the dark. Yeah I'm looking at you Logitech, Seriously? Google TV keyboard, awesome, Not Backlit? WHY?

I think maybe it would be nice if everything was just wifi, With bi-directional communications your remote could actually maybe
know that the device powered down or the output was changed to another device. With IR mostly you get the "ok I tried doing what you
told me to do but I have no idea if it happened" effect.

XBMC best media room app (1)

hindumagic (232591) | more than 3 years ago | (#35730110)

Great to hear that they'll have their own dedicated remote - a necessary tool for a media PC, IMO. The tactile feel of the buttons is important and a dedicated remote should make setup a breeze.
What I love is the flexibility: I setup lircd from scratch, using my stereo receiver's remote. It took a few hours to configure since I had to teach it my remote's buttons, but the results are fantastic. One remote for the stereo, TV, and XBMC. That's all that's needed.

Check for New Comments
Slashdot Login

Need an Account?

Forgot your password?