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The Vatican Lauds Hackers

CmdrTaco posted more than 3 years ago | from the papal-soldering-gun dept.

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angry tapir writes "Internet hackers have acquired a dubious reputation for piracy, sabotage and the spilling of sensitive secrets, but an authoritative Vatican publication appears to rehabilitate them and traces parallels between hacker philosophy and the teachings of Christianity. The charitable view of hackers was expressed by the Jesuit priest Father Antonio Spadaro in an article for the fortnightly magazine Civilta Cattolica, the text of which is vetted by the Vatican Secretariat of State prior to publication. Hackers should not be confused with crackers, Spadaro wrote, citing a definition penned by technology writer Eric S. Raymond: "Hackers build things, crackers break them.""

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Hackers=christians?? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35733566)

Hackers are more like heretics. Trying to uncover the hidden truths. The church has a long history of trying to hide the truth.

Re:Hackers=christians?? (4, Informative)

AvitarX (172628) | more than 3 years ago | (#35733654)

FTFA:

For all the common ground between Christians and hackers over the concepts of sharing, creativity and idealism, Spadaro acknowledged there were problems of compatibility between the Catholic Church's hierarchical organization and its focus on a "revealed truth" and the hackers' rejection of authority and of any hierarchy of knowledge.

Re:Hackers=christians?? (1)

clang_jangle (975789) | more than 3 years ago | (#35733980)

Yeah, but you have to love the terminology: "Internet hackers". "Your honor, I swear -- I never hacked the internet!"

Re:Hackers=christians?? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35734078)

Furthering poverty is a sin.

Therefore, creating technological, economical, and social landscapes in which the wealthy entrenched powers are less able to do that, is good.

Makes sense to me.

Re:Hackers=christians?? (3, Funny)

grub (11606) | more than 3 years ago | (#35733686)

Hackers are the altar boys. Crackers are the altar boys who sue.

Re:Hackers=christians?? (1)

DriedClexler (814907) | more than 3 years ago | (#35734266)

... for having their "cracks" attacked.

Re:Hackers=christians?? (2, Insightful)

O('_')O_Bush (1162487) | more than 3 years ago | (#35733742)

The Church is a political institution, mostly unrelated with the teachings of Christianity. What the Church does has little influence on the religion or its values. It has influence on the culture of the people that it tries to influence, but not the religion itself. After all, it only represents one branch of hundreds, most of which disagree with what it (the Church) does.

Re:Hackers=christians?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35733998)

You should spend more time reading actual church documents. Or looking into encyclicals, instead of watching the The Da Vinci Code.

Re:Hackers=christians?? (1, Informative)

digitig (1056110) | more than 3 years ago | (#35734040)

I've spent time reading encyclicals (and very tedious they are, too). O('_')O_Bush is right.

Re:Hackers=christians?? (3, Insightful)

danguyf (631016) | more than 3 years ago | (#35734166)

It's not "one branch", it's the trunk. Those "branches" didn't exist for the first millennium and a half of its existence; its existence and authority pre-date the Bible, the component parts of which it authored, preserved, evaluated, and the canon of which it certified. Trying to claim that the Church is a political institution that tries to influence a culture, and not the guiding force throughout time in exploring, refining, and teaching the religion itself is laughable.

Re:Hackers=christians?? (3, Informative)

Chibi Merrow (226057) | more than 3 years ago | (#35734326)

It's not "one branch", it's the trunk.

The Copts would disagree with you. As would several ethnic Christian groups in the far-East that were founded by Apostles other than Peter. Catholicism is as much a branch as they are.

Re:Hackers=christians?? (2)

jythie (914043) | more than 3 years ago | (#35733758)

That was my basic thought..... As the AvitarX points out this is kinda covered in the piece,.. but to describe this as 'a problem' is kinda like saying 'well, the sun would make a great vacation spot, but we acknowledge the problem of all that heat'. It is a pretty overriding 'problem'.

Re:Hackers=christians?? (4, Funny)

M. Baranczak (726671) | more than 3 years ago | (#35734154)

You can go in the winter, when it's cooler.

Re:Hackers=christians?? (4, Funny)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 3 years ago | (#35733936)

Plus hackers use the Internet, which encourages satanism!

Re:Hackers=christians?? (1)

supersloshy (1273442) | more than 3 years ago | (#35734080)

[citation needed]

Re:Hackers=christians?? (5, Insightful)

characterZer0 (138196) | more than 3 years ago | (#35734098)

The church has a long history of trying to hide the truth.

The Catholic Church as a religious organization has a long history of trying to find and understand the truth, theologically. The Catholic Church as a political organization, as with any political organization, has a long history of trying to hide the truth of the politics of the church. In these writings, the comparison is made to the former, not the latter.

Re:Hackers=christians?? (3, Insightful)

Tom (822) | more than 3 years ago | (#35734314)

The Catholic Church as a religious organization has a long history of trying to find and understand the truth, theologically.

Which suffers from the presupposition that something like a theological truth exists in the first place. If it is all a made-up pile of crap, all that "truth-seeking" is simply mental masturbation.

Re:Hackers=christians?? (1)

Svartalf (2997) | more than 3 years ago | (#35734120)

Don't confuse the faith with the religion (which're differing things...). Every "church" has that sort of long history (and in some cases a worse history...) of trying to hide the truth.

Re:Hackers=christians?? (2)

ableal (1502763) | more than 3 years ago | (#35734230)

"The truth will set you free", and all the historical universities the Church founded, would not convince you otherwise, I suppose. Oh, well. Can't have mere facts shaking beliefs. Carry on.

Not cool anymore (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35733576)

Religion stated it was good so naturally all these atheist hackers have to stop now or become mainstream.

Re:Not cool anymore (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35733650)

I was just thinking that hacking is one of the few topics the church can comment on without egg or bodily fluids on their face.

Science.. no
Pedos.. no
History.. no
Morality.. no
Sex... no

Re:Not cool anymore (2)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 3 years ago | (#35733870)

What, the church can't comment on pedophilia? They certainly have enough experience with the subject to be able to have an informed opinion on the matter. Science... no, not so much.

Re:Not cool anymore (2)

peragrin (659227) | more than 3 years ago | (#35734140)

That's the point the church's comments on Pedophila would be dishonest at best with how they actually treat those who commit those crimes.

The only reason it has gotten as big as it has is because of standard church policy to assume that ALL men of god are above the law of men.

If the church didn't try to hide it but instead ostracized the priests involved at the time no one would say a thing. It is currently called the striesland effect. Trying to hide the truth unveils more of it.

Apocalypse (5, Insightful)

Talderas (1212466) | more than 3 years ago | (#35733580)

So the Vatican gets the difference between hacker and cracker before the general populace...

We have entered the beginning of the end.

Re:Apocalypse (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35733612)

I thought "cracker" just meant "white person."

Re:Apocalypse (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35734276)

You sir, owe me 1 monitor and 1 keyboard.

Re:Apocalypse (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 3 years ago | (#35733682)

Do you really believe for a second that the Vatican doesn't understand what it's doing? I mean, besides the whole child-rape thing, that's failure of sphincter control.

The Catholic church has been a vehicle for a variety of political ends throughout history. We know of many ways in which this is true; with the Church's reputation for secrecy it may be assumed that it is true in ways which are not common knowledge as well.

The Vatican has always been one of the organizations that understands what it is doing; it's fighting a war.

Re:Apocalypse (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 3 years ago | (#35733694)

Almost. a crackers doesn't 'break things'.

so you can hold off on the announcement of any Ahackalypse.

heh.

Re:Apocalypse (2)

TrentTheThief (118302) | more than 3 years ago | (#35733824)

I'm amazed. Truly amazed. For a mainstream organization to define hacking and cracking in nice, black and white terms is somehow very satisfying.

It's been what, 2000 years or so, and they've finally done something okay. I honestly applaud their common sense on this.

Re:Apocalypse (1)

TheSpoom (715771) | more than 3 years ago | (#35733952)

Yeah, me too. Honestly, the Vatican would have been the last place I'd have guessed to get it right.

Re:Apocalypse (1)

gad_zuki! (70830) | more than 3 years ago | (#35733910)

Except they don't understand it at all.

Hacking culture is incredibly anti-authoritarian. That's not going to work in Xtianity which is nothing but an appeal to an authority (authors of the bible, jesus, etc).

Hacking is about solving problems in a quick and dirty manner. Its the "bazaar" of open ideas and religion is, you guessed it, the "cathedral" of top down closed ideas controlled by an elite and followed by an credulous public.

On the plus side, I see the Vatican's PR people are doing a good job. Front page slashdot? Nice. Gotta fill them pews.

Re:Apocalypse (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35734214)

Christianity, as originally practiced, is very anti-authoritarian. Catholicism not-so-much. Jesus and the original disciples very much bucked authority except for God himself.

Re:Apocalypse (1)

SharpFang (651121) | more than 3 years ago | (#35734254)

Interestingly, "not quite". It is doubtful the real, conservative institution of church would ever agree with it, but the Church as it should be - by enlightened, ethical and wise people (yes, there are few in there, if not all that many), does agree with it.

The church (as it should be) has the ultimate priority of some moral goals. Commonwealth. Cooperation. Peace. Wisdom. These pretty much agree with ultimate goals of hackers.
It also has some means to achieve these goals. Authority. Blind faith. Rituals that appeal to lesser minds. Rigid structure and deep traditionalism. These methods are completely in conflict with all Hackers represent by themselves. Still, as long as the ultimate goals are pursued, the church should be perfectly fine with alternative means, with people doing the Good Thing not in the name of God. Different methods, different target audience, same goals. This has been recognized.

Of course we're not talking about "the real Church" here - the megacorporation that controls vast material wealth, suppresses all opposition, fights dirty for political influences and so on. The institution has long lost its original sense of purpose. But still, there are people there who still remember the original goals and speak up from time to time (even if to buy some positive PR). In this case, the hackers really are friends of "Church As It Should Be". Gathering people to whom the Church has no appeal and getting them to do the same good stuff the Church tries to get all the rest to do.

WTF (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35733582)

Software engineers build things.

There is terminology confusion because coming up with a quick fix non-ideal solution is called a hack, but in general hackers break into things rather than build things.

Vatican please stick to theology & leave the IT to those who know a little about the subject.

Re:WTF (1)

O('_')O_Bush (1162487) | more than 3 years ago | (#35733664)

Software engineers are paid to build things in software. Hackers build things for ideological reasons. Crackers break things.

Also, it has nothing to do with IT.

Re:WTF (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35733750)

Software engineers build things.

Software engineers design things.

After all ... (5, Funny)

PPH (736903) | more than 3 years ago | (#35733600)

... Jesus Christ hacked Christianity out of Judaism.

And Martin Luther wrote the open source version.

Re:After all ... (1)

Sponge Bath (413667) | more than 3 years ago | (#35733624)

Where does that leave Steve Ballmer? Burning in a lake of fire?

Re:After all ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35733752)

Oh no, he was busy throwing the thrones in the pyramids.

Re:After all ... (1)

crow_t_robot (528562) | more than 3 years ago | (#35733918)

And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves, And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.

USURERS, USURERS, USURERS! *throws chairs, flips tables*

Re:After all ... (1)

PPH (736903) | more than 3 years ago | (#35733988)

"Users, users, users! " -- BOFH

There. Fixed it for you.

Re:After all ... (1)

TheoMurpse (729043) | more than 3 years ago | (#35734036)

In an obscure coptic codex it was discovered a mysterious, heretofore unknown passage of Revelation: Aeternum Stephanus sellam in gehennae mittit.

Classicists have long puzzled over who Stephanus is, and why he is eternally throwing chairs in hell.

*Funny thing about Slashdot and my computer: It turns the AE ligature into A with umlaut when I hit "preview." No idea why; in the TEXTAREA box, it appears as the correct ligature...

OS X*us delenda est!

*Would the Romans have called OS X "OS 10"?

Re:After all ... (2)

digsbo (1292334) | more than 3 years ago | (#35733928)

This is funny, but at the same time you have to recognize it's a Jesuit writing it. Jesuits are very much the intellectual rebels of the Catholic Church. Still, I'm pleased to see that the Catholic Church is not virulently anti-Internet, as are many of the conservative Protestant churches in the USA today. It is odd to observe that in many ways the Catholic Church is more progressive than [some] of the Protestants today.

Re:After all ... (0, Troll)

Tom (822) | more than 3 years ago | (#35734108)

Still, I'm pleased to see that the Catholic Church is not virulently anti-Internet,

Of course not! After all, as our politicians tells us all the time, the Internet is great for finding child porn.

Re:After all ... (1)

Rostin (691447) | more than 3 years ago | (#35734232)

as are many of the conservative Protestant churches in the USA today.

Such as? This is news to me as a conservative Protestant.

Re:After all ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35734318)

Catholic Church has many faces. This one looks nice but we've got to cope with few ugly ones in Poland.

Re:After all ... (4, Funny)

chemicaldave (1776600) | more than 3 years ago | (#35733968)

The Romans did not approve of his breaking of DRM so they crucified him. This tradition has endured even today.

Re:After all ... (1)

Tom (822) | more than 3 years ago | (#35734242)

I know the christian tradition likes to label the romans as the evil ones, but truth is that in matters of religion (as in many other things), the Roman Empire was very progressive. In fact, if anything can be compared to an "Open Source Religion", then it's definitely the roman gods prior to the corruption to christianity. There you had a religion where you could bring your own god and have it accepted in the next release of the upstream branch. Try doing that with christianity.

Re:After all ... (3, Interesting)

drb226 (1938360) | more than 3 years ago | (#35734058)

And Martin Luther wrote the open source version.

More like Tyndale [wikipedia.org] reverse engineered it from assembly (Latin) and open sourced it.

Re:After all ... (1)

PPH (736903) | more than 3 years ago | (#35734204)

Martin Luther was an early day RMS? That explains a lot.

wtf (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35733638)

Hackers are smart people, Christians are fucking dumb, i don't see the parallels...

Captain Obvious. (-1)

geekmux (1040042) | more than 3 years ago | (#35733662)

"...Hackers should not be confused with crackers, Spadaro wrote...

Thank you there Captain Obvious. Gee, it's not like we've only been trying to clarify the difference between the two for the last decade or three...

Re:Captain Obvious. (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 3 years ago | (#35733716)

Dude and how many people still don't get it?
Why complain when someone gets it correct?

Re:Captain Obvious. (1, Insightful)

MyLongNickName (822545) | more than 3 years ago | (#35733718)

Thank you Captain Jerk. Slashdot can't even keep the difference straight using the terms interchangeably. Now you are criticizing a non-technical individual for actually pointing out the difference in the terms?

Why do you feel the need to be a jerk about this?

Re:Captain Obvious. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35734238)

Why do you feel the need to be a jerk about this?

The greater internet fuckwad theory.

You keep using that word.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35733756)

...I don't think it means what you think it means.

Re:Captain Obvious. (1)

O('_')O_Bush (1162487) | more than 3 years ago | (#35733768)

I think it is good that he clarified. I mean, just look at the first line in the FA. If he hadn't, the media would have had a field day.

Re:Captain Obvious. (3, Insightful)

nedlohs (1335013) | more than 3 years ago | (#35733990)

So you've been trying to clarify the difference but you insult people who clarify the difference.

Re:Captain Obvious. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35734102)

"...Hackers should not be confused with crackers, Spadaro wrote...

Is someone tries to clarify the issue to some people that may not know the difference he is Caption Obvious?

Thank you there Captain Obvious. Gee, it's not like we've only been trying to clarify the difference between the two for the last decade or three...

Thank YOU Caption Obvious for you work in the last two or three decades!

Therefore Julian Assange +1, Seditious (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35733666)

is a hacker AND a Christian because his actions help BUILD government transparency.

Thanks in advance.

Yours In Chelyabinsk,
K. Trout

Re:Therefore Julian Assange +1, Seditious (1)

MyLongNickName (822545) | more than 3 years ago | (#35733732)

No. your logic is incredibly week. Just because someone draws a parallel between the ethos of a hacker and the ethos of a Christian does not make them the same.

Re:Therefore Julian Assange +1, Seditious (2)

MyLongNickName (822545) | more than 3 years ago | (#35733754)

Almost as weak as my spelling of "weak".

Re:Therefore Julian Assange +1, Seditious (1)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 3 years ago | (#35733906)

He meant that the logic took 7 days to parse.

Noooo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35733684)

I'm satanic!!!!!
(y mi patrona dicen que es Santa Tecla)

Optimism (1)

sandytaru (1158959) | more than 3 years ago | (#35733692)

The Vatican tends to be a fairly conservative in its approach to technology (remember the fight over the confessional iPhone app a little while back?) and there is no doubt going to be much quibbling over hacktivism and other related activities for the next couple of hundred years. Who knows, maybe in 2300 we'll hear the future Pope say, "Oops, we were wrong when we called the iConfessional sacriligious. Also, we've begun the canonization process for a martyred Anonymous member today for his contributions in the war against false religions. Miracles have been reported near the town of New Clearwater, FL, which was rebuilt in 2220 after Hurricane Michael smited it."

Re:Optimism (1)

ciderbrew (1860166) | more than 3 years ago | (#35733880)

You give an iphone example?!? :(

>The Vatican tends to be a fairly conservative in its approach to technology...
How about, the fucking telescope :) They didn’t like the earth "not the centre of the universe" thing much, bless.

So who wants to join? (1)

squidflakes (905524) | more than 3 years ago | (#35733706)

That's it, I'm starting a new church with an old name. Join me, won't you, for the first meeting of the Church of Jesus Christ, Computer Programmer. Free kool-aid and cookies this Sunday.

Re:So who wants to join? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35733940)

Oh! oH! I can be the Jesus dude!

Re:So who wants to join? (4, Funny)

Alsee (515537) | more than 3 years ago | (#35733960)

Church of Jesus Christ, Computer Programmer. Free kool-aid and cookies this Sunday.

Shouldn't that be Mountain Dew and Pizza?

-

Re:So who wants to join? (2)

YodasEvilTwin (2014446) | more than 3 years ago | (#35733976)

DON'T DRINK THE KOOL-AID

Re:So who wants to join? (1)

ciderbrew (1860166) | more than 3 years ago | (#35734068)

Sure how are you with the age of the world? I was looking at the Andromeda Galaxy and can't work out the new speed of light I need to work with. For a universe of 6k years what speed does light travel now to get to earth.
I just tried to think about the unobservable light of the universe needing to be much slower than the observable light; but I can't express it let alone thing about it. I need to scale 13.5 billion years down to 6k years I guess.

Religious post on /. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35733712)

Smithers release the trolls!

Re:Religious post on /. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35733890)

Do my worst, eh? Smithers, release the robotic Richard Simmons!

Interesting (4, Informative)

bigsexyjoe (581721) | more than 3 years ago | (#35733734)

Well the Catholic Church is a large organization and it is good to remember that there is a plurality of opinions in it, even among it's leaders. It isn't just a cabal of child molesters. The Catholic Church has in the past condemned both capitalism and communism in their extreme forms.

Re:Interesting (1)

aintnostranger (1811098) | more than 3 years ago | (#35733916)

Mod parent up. The catholic church is so far from being a monolithic institution.

Anonymous (1)

netdigger (847764) | more than 3 years ago | (#35733740)

I really believe that the work of Anonymous and Wiki leaks has given hackers a bad name. The general public and the media are really foucsing on the negative things that some of us are doing. Most of us use our abilities to make things work better for us. I am glad that the Vatican sees that we all are not pirates.

Re:Anonymous (1)

O('_')O_Bush (1162487) | more than 3 years ago | (#35733836)

Try the work of Mitnick and the thousands of exploits in the 90s during the .com bubble. Media calling hackers bad guys isn't exactly a recent trend.

Eh... (2)

Lose (1901896) | more than 3 years ago | (#35733748)

FTFA

"To create the biggest collaborative encyclopedia of Internet it is estimated that it took around 100 million hours of intellectual work, which is the equivalent of the time the citizens of the United States spend watching advertising on TV in a single weekend," Spadaro wrote.

Dude, what?

Re:Eh... (1)

O('_')O_Bush (1162487) | more than 3 years ago | (#35733862)

I can't tell if his math is wrong by an order of magnitude or if he's saying that US citizens spend most of their weekend not working intellectually.

I suppose both are true.

Re:Eh... (1)

mcmonkey (96054) | more than 3 years ago | (#35734034)

What's wrong with the math?

300 million (roughly) citizens of the USA. 100 million hours means an average of 1/3 an hour of TV per citizen.

Do you really have trouble believing US citizens average 20 minutes of TV for a weekend?

Re:Eh... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35734146)

I think 300 million Americans spend more than 20 minutes watching ads (each) in a weekend.

(from 2009) The average American watches approximately 153 [nielsen.com] hours of TV every month at home.

So that should probably say "watching advertising on TV in a single day.

Re:Eh... (4, Informative)

Alsee (515537) | more than 3 years ago | (#35733996)

100 million hours of intellectual work, which is the equivalent of the time the citizens of the United States spend watching advertising on TV in a single weekend,"

The math works out to about ten minutes per person per day. Considering that a typical one-hour show has about twenty minutes of commercials, the 100 million hour figure is probably about right.

-

Aren't Hackers Terrorists? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35733778)

This must mean the Vatican now prefers bazaars over cathedrals.

Download? (1)

MyLongNickName (822545) | more than 3 years ago | (#35733780)

Anyone else getting a download dialog when clicking on the link?

And I swear it was an accident... I wasn't trying to read the article, honest!

Welcome! (0)

Jahf (21968) | more than 3 years ago | (#35733790)

I for one welcome our long-haired, beared, techno-guru saviors.

Fuck the Vatican (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35733794)

No, really... fuck the Vatican.

Re:Fuck the Vatican (1, Insightful)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 3 years ago | (#35733974)

I'm sorry Dave, you can't do that...

However, you can become an altar boy and get fucked _by_ high ranking residents of the Vatican.

Other important ESR quotes (1, Interesting)

BitHive (578094) | more than 3 years ago | (#35733812)

It's Victory in Iraq day today. The good guys -- Western civilization, the Coalition of the Willing, the United States, and the people of Iraq -- won this war. The bad guys -- Saddam Hussein's regime, al-Qaeda's jihadis, all their allies and enablers -- lost it. The entire world will be a better place because of this victory. And that is a proper thing to celebrate.

In the U.S., blacks are 12% of the population but commit 50% of violent crimes; can anyone honestly think this is unconnected to the fact that they average 15 points of IQ lower than the general population? That stupid people are more violent is a fact independent of skin color.

I think all teachers, day-care staff, and other adults in loco parentis for groups of children should be required to carry firearms on the job. Maintaining continued proficiency at rapid-reaction tactical shooting should be a condition of their continued employment. Their job is to protect children; if they are not physically, mentally, and morally competent to do that job, they donâ(TM)t belong in it.

Iâ(TM)m what PUAs call a âoenaturalâ, a man who figured out much of game on his own and consequently cuts a wide sexual swathe when he cares to. Not quite the same game theyâ(TM)re playing, however. For one thing, Iâ(TM)ve never tried to pick up a woman in a bar in my entire life. College parties when I was a student, yes; SF conventions, neopagan festivals, SCA events, yes; bars, no.

Also, and partly as consequence of where I hang out, it has been quite unusual for me to hit on women with IQs below about 120 â" and it may well be the case that Iâ(TM)ve never tried to interest a woman with below-average intelligence. (Er, which is not to say they donâ(TM)t notice me; even in middle age I get lots of IOIs from waitresses and other female service personnel. Any PUA would tell you this is a predictable and unremarkable consequence of being an alpha male.)

Vatican does the right thing... (1)

FithisUX (855293) | more than 3 years ago | (#35733832)

and as an orthodox I demand the ecumenical patriarch to do the same.

Christian hackers are TOTAL crackers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35733864)

It doesn't get any whiter than this, folks.

The Vatican speaks and misses! (1)

Nyder (754090) | more than 3 years ago | (#35733866)

I had a nice clever put down for the vat and the pope, but fuck it. Why take the time to type it, when they won't see it, nor understand it if they did.

The Vatican is like the mentally ill homeless dude who talks to himself and shouts crap all day.

Some entertainment value, but nothing here, keep moving.

Re:The Vatican speaks and misses! (1)

Tom (822) | more than 3 years ago | (#35734160)

Except that the homeless dude doesn't have millions of idiots who not only believe in, but are willing to interfere with your life because of the crap he shouts.

And he probably doesn't have a few billions dedicated to inserting his crap into the laws and rules of society.

UHA president says (1)

chronoss2010 (1825454) | more than 3 years ago | (#35733876)

UHA president says, actually to be truthful we make and break stuff all time , that is also how code works and one needs to have ht greatest understanding of a thing to actually be wise at creation. This sometimes means you must CRACK , wreck or pull apart like a lego building to get the design right. My view is that piracy also is not harmful in that it actually spreads ideas , thoughts and such, the only real piracy that is harmful is one at the barrel of a gun. So what happens when we get the day were we have a food replicator( food copy machines ?)will farmers demand FOODRIGHT while people starve? I applaud the Vatican being kind for a change to people with technology however. I do hope for a better world too, no matter what religion i profess.

Look out Script Kiddies! (1)

Njoyda Sauce (211180) | more than 3 years ago | (#35733932)

You've got the Vatican's attention.

Oh no! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35733934)

Eric S. Raymond and his mongoloid face and his retarded politics needs to shut up.

Not the first time this point is made (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35733966)

"tracing parallels between hacker philosophy and the teachings of Christianity."

See at Linux.com "Free Software's surprising sympathy with Catholic doctrine" (2005) http://www.linux.com/archive/feed/49533

Eleutheros Manifesto (2006) http://www.eleutheros.org/en/documents/manifesto/

that made my day (0)

Tom (822) | more than 3 years ago | (#35733992)

He has got no idea what he's saying there.

Hackers should make the church very, very afraid. We're the guys who don't accept the mantra from up high. We build our own stuff and we question things, including doctrine and even reality. We dream of a better world, but not necessarily your version of it. Most importantly, we know how to use our brains and aren't afraid of doing so.

Make a survey, and I'm sure you'll find atheism rampant among hackers, definitely at least twice the percentage as in the general public.

And our main thought regarding your gods and his son and his miracles isn't "wow, I believe!", but "I wonder how he did that and if I can copy it..."

You're definitely sucking up to the wrong people here, childfucker.

Putting the cart before the horse (2)

jenningsthecat (1525947) | more than 3 years ago | (#35734044)

From TFA: "Under fire are control, competition, property. It's a vision that is ... of a clear theological origin"

I guess it never occurred to Spadaro that putting control, competition, and property "under fire" might have had something to do with the origins of theology, rather than the other way around.

New Hacker anthem? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35734134)

Onward Christian Hackers?

Geez, The Theology of St Raymond? (1)

david.emery (127135) | more than 3 years ago | (#35734226)

So what is the difference between a religion and a cult, anyway?

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