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GNOME 3 Released

samzenpus posted more than 3 years ago | from the check-it-out dept.

GNOME 353

Blacklaw writes "The GNOME Desktop team has sent its latest creation into the wild, officially launching GNOME 3.0 — the biggest redesign the project has enjoyed in around nine years. 'We've taken a pretty different approach in the GNOME 3 design that focuses on the desired experience and lets the interface design follow from that,' designer Jon McCann explained during the launch. 'With any luck you will feel more focused, aware, effective, capable, respected, delighted, and at ease.'"

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lol wut (1, Offtopic)

Alex Belits (437) | more than 3 years ago | (#35738966)

Ooooops. Something is not here.

The page you tried to access was not found.

Re:lol wut (5, Informative)

slaxative (1867220) | more than 3 years ago | (#35738988)

Re:lol wut (4, Informative)

mmj638 (905944) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739222)

Why can't I click any links in slashdot comments anymore? I'm using Firefox 4. Can't even right click.

Any why is that yellow box overlapping everything when I'm previewing a message? Slashdot seems a bit messed up

Re:lol wut (1)

headkase (533448) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739268)

I'm using IceWeasel 4.0 and also can't left-click a link but I can right-click them and open in a new tab.

Re:lol wut (1)

Antidamage (1506489) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739300)

It's happening in Chrome too.

Slashdot: making us all glad we're better at our jobs than them.

Re:lol wut (0)

Squeeonline (1323439) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739894)

Not for me, all normal here. ubuntu 11.04b Chrome 10.0.648.204

Re:lol wut (1)

Lennie (16154) | more than 3 years ago | (#35740052)

It actually works for me in the latest nightly build of Firefox, so maybe someone is working on it. :-)

Re:lol wut (1)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739302)

I can click links, but I can't activate the "post anonymously" button. I can post anonymously with the old form, so it's not my karma. The preview yellow box is fucked up, too.

Re:lol wut (1)

mmj638 (905944) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739434)

You're right, the "post anonymously" checkbox is unclickable for me too. In fact I guess that explains why that last comment was posted under my name ...

Re:lol wut (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35739436)

Double right clicking seems to work for me in Firefox 3.6.15.

You can thank frustrated clicking for this development.

Re:lol wut (1)

AaronLawrence (600990) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739480)

Same for me.
So I've gone back to the old comments system (again)... without the javascriptiness it seems fine.

Re:lol wut (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35739640)

Yeah, left-click and middle-click don't work any more, but right still does (for now) - Firefox 3.6. I really don't know what to say about this. *Headdesk* just about sums it up I suppose.

Re:lol wut (1)

spitzak (4019) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739696)

Same here, neither click works on the links. It now seems consistent that the clicks do nothing. That is a slight improvement over a week ago where the clicks would scroll back to the first comment, making it difficult to find the link I was interested in again! Right-mouse and picking "open in a new tab" on the menu always worked however.

Really this is very bad performance by Slashdot.

Oh yea it appears I can't check "Post Anonymously" either.

Re:lol wut (1)

howardd21 (1001567) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739784)

Why can't I click any links in slashdot comments anymore? I'm using Firefox 4. Can't even right click.

Any why is that yellow box overlapping everything when I'm previewing a message? Slashdot seems a bit messed up

Same here in Chrome, FireFox 4, and IE 9 on Windows. Also does not work on Mac in Chrome.

A quick check of element in the inspector shows:
<a href="http://www.xfce.org/" title="xfce.org" rel="nofollow" id="aeaoofnhgocdbnbeljkmbjdmhbcokfdb-mousedown">Xfce</a>

That does not look right to me...

This is really a hassle. Can somebody that actually manages the site please at least try to read the comments here?

Re:lol wut (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35739028)

They ran out of features to remove from GNOME itself so they just took down the website.

Re:lol wut (1)

johnsnails (1715452) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739210)

bhahahaha! And in contrast look at how beautiful the kde.org website is!

Re:lol wut (5, Insightful)

Noitatsidem (1701520) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739486)

I actually emailed the press team. Here's what I wrote:
"I think a thank you is in order from the XFCE team, as the release of GNOME3 has urged me (and many others) to switch to XFCE. With XFCE 4.8 released, the featuresessentiallymirror those found in GNOME2. With that being said, I think you can confidently send the XFCE team a "you're welcome" message for addingnumerousnumbers of people to their user base. Remind them that without the GNOME team ignoring the myriads of complaints about thedirectionof the GNOME project, none of this would of happened.

Thank you very much for reading"
Anyone here should feel more than welcome to use this message, no credit needed. Spread the word, the XFCE team NEEDS to thank the gnome team for all of their hard work removing everything we needed, and giving us everything we didn't.

Re:lol wut (1)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739876)

Not that I doubt you're right, but out of curiosity, what did they take out now? All I have are production machines now and I wasn't going to mess with beta releases of any software that tends to be beta quality after it's been out for 8 years...

Perhaps they didn't release it (3, Funny)

mangu (126918) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739144)

Maybe it just escaped.

Outragous (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35739162)

Burn the GNOME flag [flagburningworld.com]

Re:lol wut (2)

homey of my owney (975234) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739212)

"more focused, aware, effective, capable, respected, delighted, and at ease." Wow! If it also made me more continent, gas free, fresh, and leave me with cleaner hair, it would be perfect!

Re:lol wut (1)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739526)

"more focused, aware, effective, capable, respected, delighted, and at ease." Wow! If it also made me more continent, gas free, fresh, and leave me with cleaner hair, it would be perfect!

Forget the hair, I think it's cleaner air that you need.

Xfce (5, Informative)

Moderator (189749) | more than 3 years ago | (#35738968)

There's always Xfce [xfce.org] for those of you who still want a traditional, stable environment. Uses the same Gtk+ themes that Gnome used, and the panel is flexible enough to emulate Gnome 2.x, KDE/Windows, or CDE.

I know, they turned their back on the *BSD's with Xfce 4.8, but it's still the only desktop environment worth using anymore.

Oh yeah, and they plan on sticking with Gtk+ 2.2 for the next couple of years.

Mac OS X (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35739060)

And for anyone who wants to use an operating system that actually, you know, WORKS. Skip gnome, kde, xfce, ghrdx, efjiwc, and all the other unpronounceable crap that passes for code in the open sores world.

Here's all you need. [apple.com]

Think different.
Think better.
Think APPLE!

Re:Mac OS X (1)

WorBlux (1751716) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739096)

Think different.

Yes, let's all flock to a company that thinks that having improper grammar in it's slogan is hip and cool.

Re:Mac OS X (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35739192)

That’d be “its”.

Re:Mac OS X (1)

Edmund Blackadder (559735) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739344)

You do realize that apple had to use some of that unpronounceable "open sores" (HAHA) code to make their operating system work. They did not have a decent operating system until they lifted huge chunks of BSD (hard to pronounce, I know) code.

Re:Mac OS X (2)

melikamp (631205) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739772)

You do realize that you are probably replying to a bot?

Re:Mac OS X (0)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739554)

And for anyone who wants to use an operating system that actually, you know, WORKS. Skip gnome, kde, xfce, ghrdx, efjiwc, and all the other unpronounceable crap that passes for code in the open sores world.

Here's all you need. [apple.com]

Think different. Think better. Think APPLE!

The problem with the Mac is that I really, really don't like who I'd have to thank for it. I prefer not to support blatant sociopaths without a good reason. And lots of gratuitous eye candy isn't a good reason.

I'll stick with my various revs of Windows and Linux, thank you very much.

Re:Xfce (5, Interesting)

arth1 (260657) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739104)

I'm seriously considering switching from Gnome.
The main reason is that I use remote logins and lots of VMware. Gnome shell won't even work unless you have hardware acceleration, so you can forget a consistent UI, and have to fall back to Gnome 2. So you now need both.
Never mind getting the file manager to work remotely. I still remember with fondness how easy it was in IRIX to just enter "fm ." in a remote session, and get the file manager for whichever directory you were in. Try that with cutter or nautilus.

So, yes, I expect I will be migrating. But not to Gnome 3. I'll migrate to something functional, and Gnome ain't it.

Re:Xfce (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35739358)

"nautilus ." from the command line.

Re:Xfce (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35739738)

nautilus --no-desktop .

Re:Xfce (4, Insightful)

arth1 (260657) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739740)

Doesn't work as advertised. It's a horrible piece of shit, to bhe honest. Unless you have the exact same version of gnome on your local X server as the remote, and the remote also has a head, you get gdbus errors and lock-ups with gvfs, not to mention that the process never exits - you have to ctrl-c it or kill it from a shell.

Is a file manager that works over a straight X tunnel to any X server too much to ask?

Re:Xfce (1)

arth1 (260657) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739930)

"nautilus ." from the command line.

Also, I though nautilus was gone with Gnome 3.0?

Re:Xfce (1)

Noitatsidem (1701520) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739556)

I'd really recommend XFCE 4.8, imo it's pretty near feature parity with Gnome 2, which is 10x more than I can say for gnome 3.

Or LXDE (Re:Xfce) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35739450)

LXDE is also a lightweight traditional alternative.

Re:Xfce (1)

jmv (93421) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739864)

Thanks for reminding me. I think I'll try Xfce when I upgrade my distro (and get gnome2 replaced by gnome3). From experience with gnome and kde, it always takes them ~2 years to get a new release right and kde4 is probably still a bit too new. I still don't understand this idea that "rewriting the code with about half the features is a good thing".

not excited (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35738970)

Not very excited about this release.

It works! (5, Funny)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 3 years ago | (#35738986)

I _do_ feel more focused, aware, effective, capable, respected, delighted, and at ease... of course, that might just be the Ritalin...

Re:It works! (1)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739572)

I _do_ feel more focused, aware, effective, capable, respected, delighted, and at ease... of course, that might just be the Ritalin...

Personally, I go for Valium: it doesn't make me particularly focused, effective, capable or respected, true. But I am delighted and very much at ease.

Re:It works! (1)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 3 years ago | (#35740010)

There is an inverse relationship between quality/usefulness and the number of marketing buzzwords used.

I don't like the originals of the Mac knockoff bits. I doubt I will like them any better force fed to me by Gnome or Ubuntu.

Official site (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35739002)

Here's a link to the official GNOME 3 site [gnome3.org] .

To me it looks more like a smartphone interface (nice for a tablet PC), but errrr.... quite a paradigm change for notebook and desktop users.

Ooooops. Something is not here. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35739006)

Ooooops. Something is not here.

blah... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35739008)

the UI is more of the bland crap. Nothing innovative or compelling. Window decoration is awful, with wide gray bars. Is that the best theme they could show off?

Re:blah... (3, Insightful)

MrHanky (141717) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739040)

Actually, the UI is fairly unique. Well, sure, it still uses windows, and it's entirely true that the window decorations are awful with far too wide grey title bars, but I'm pretty sure the menu system is different from any other desktop and tablet.

Sadly, I still find it ugly! (2)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739030)

Now, before I get flamed for what I have written, let me remind everyone that what I have written reflects my personal opinion...and I am entitled to that.

And remember...I am not alone. When will these GNOME folks produce a shell that is a beauty to look at by default?

Re:Sadly, I still find it ugly! (2)

intellitech (1912116) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739046)

You're certainly not the only one, and your words were rather kind, considering some of the other criticism I've read.

Re:Sadly, I still find it ugly! (2)

kat_skan (5219) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739140)

Hopefully sooner than later considering they took out even the ability to change the color scheme.

Re:Sadly, I still find it ugly! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35739206)

Genuinely curious: can you point to an interface you DO consider beautiful?

I was just admiring it; it looks clean and very slick. It's one of the few things I actually like about the change.

Re:Sadly, I still find it ugly! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35739422)

Mac.

Re:Sadly, I still find it ugly! (1)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739588)

Mac.

Personally I find the Mac garish and overdone. But hey, that's just me. I still use the command line every day.

Re:Sadly, I still find it ugly! (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739296)

and we are entitled to mod you down to hell!

hah!

Re:Sadly, I still find it ugly! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35739822)

Well, you aren't anymore...

Re:Sadly, I still find it ugly! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35739312)

They are just trying WAY too hard to be apple.

I mean, even look at the home page and how they describe the features.

Gnomes (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739346)

Give them a break, they're short on time.
Gnome body Gnomes the trouble they've seen!
At least they have decided on a Gnomenclature.

and so on...

Re:Gnomes (2)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739632)

At least they have decided on a Gnomenclature.

Yes, you can read all about it in the Necrognomicon.

Sorry, GNOME Devs, I know you tried hard.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35739036)

Too bad the default theme still looks like shit, and it's not the only thing they won't ever be able to get right. Everybody can tell you that GNOME developers have no sense for aesthetics, and all in all, it always ends up coming out like a 8 year old's monthly art project. I might be critical, but look at KDE. They've steadily improved the presentation of their desktop and controls throughout their entire lifetime. Look at the distributions that usually put their own look on GNOME because they can't stand the way it looks by default. I bought a Mac recently, but even when I was using linux, I ran KDE before I made the switch. I quit using GNOME a long time ago, and I'm definitely not the only one.

Go ahead, overzealous moderators, feel free to mod this troll, but I have the satisfaction of knowing it won't hit my karma today.

Re:Sorry, GNOME Devs, I know you tried hard.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35739634)

Why waste mod point? You already start at 0, nobody read your shit. Fuck off!

How To Tweak GNOME 3 (4, Informative)

supersloshy (1273442) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739068)

I wrote a blog post all about how to tweak GNOME 3's hidden settings to be more like how you want it to be. You can read it at my blog, here [wordpress.com] . To summarize, I explain how to go back to GNOME 2, install extensions, change themes, and much more. However, I do want to note that I don't even use my own tips; GNOME 3 so far has been nearly perfect for me and I see very little need to change the settings I mention, or even use any extensions. In fact, I wrote another blog post [wordpress.com] detailing the 10 things that I love about GNOME 3 in a sort of mini-review.

To summarize my latter post, I love how GNOME 3 "puts me in the driver's seat". There's no annoying, blinking lights, there's no "are you sure?" dialogs, the design is minimalist and takes up very little screen space, and it only gives me things like the window list, application list, and even notifications when I explicitly ask for them. If I don't want notifications I just mark myself as "busy" and check up on them at my leisure. If I want to switch a window I just tap the Windows key and click the one I want; fast and simple! Yes, that's "one more step", but it takes barely any more time than any persistent window list would take up (and less screen space, too). I love how easy and fast searching for applications and places in the Activities search bar is (you don't even need to click it; just start typing!), which gives it a GNOME Do vibe. Regardless of the search, I also love how easy it is to launch applications with the favorites list on the dashboard. GNOME 3 lets me add extensions as well just like any modern web browser so I can customize it or add features as I choose. No other desktop combines empowerment, distraction-free working, extensibility, and simplicity like GNOME 3 does and I have to say that it is the greatest desktop environment I've ever had the pleasure of working with so far. Even better, it looks like it will only get more awesome as time goes on!

Congrats, GNOME team, for your amazing work! :)

Re:How To Tweak GNOME 3 (1)

kvvbassboy (2010962) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739122)

Well, it certainly looks cute, and seems packed with "features". I just hope that the ones I need are still there, namely a way to handle 10 - 15 windows.

Re:How To Tweak GNOME 3 (2)

supersloshy (1273442) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739142)

Alt+Tab and the Activities overlay. If that's not enough, Alt+` lets you switch between windows in an application and the alternate-tab extension in my blog post restores the old Alt+Tab behavior for those who preferred it. Enjoy!

Re:How To Tweak GNOME 3 (1)

arose (644256) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739186)

Do you know if the ability to show all workspaces at once is gone for good? That was the best part about the earlier gnome-shell previews.

Re:How To Tweak GNOME 3 (1)

supersloshy (1273442) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739274)

Just press the activities key (Windows/Super/Meta) and move your mouse to the right. All of them are right there, and they auto-generate when you need more. If you need to move a window to another workspace, just click and drag. Double-click the workspace to zoom in or click the specific window you want. You can also scroll the workspaces using the mouse wheel on the workspaces list (very handy) or dragging the middle of the screen up or down (useful for touch screens). Don't forget that you can switch workspaces with Ctrl+Alt Up/Down as well! :)

Re:How To Tweak GNOME 3 (1)

arose (644256) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739448)

What I loved was the ability to see all windows at once, seems like I'll have to keep better track of which workspaces I put them on now.

Re:How To Tweak GNOME 3 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35739902)

Just press the activities key (Windows/Super/Meta) and move your mouse to the right.

Is this a new type of joke or troll that I'm just not smart enough to understand?

Or is there honestly someone out there stupid enough to imagine that three-button keyboard chords combined with a mouse gesture is a good idea?

Re:How To Tweak GNOME 3 (1)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 3 years ago | (#35740030)

> Just press the activities key

In other words its more Mac wannabe nonsense that doesn't actually work better in practice.

Re:How To Tweak GNOME 3 (5, Insightful)

O(+inf) (2033618) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739584)

To summarize my latter post, I love how GNOME 3 "puts me in the driver's seat".

My problem with GNOME 3 is that it does put you into the driver's seat alright - that of a train on a single track.

Re:How To Tweak GNOME 3 (0)

supersloshy (1273442) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739778)

I would much rather have a desktop that only allowed the most efficient ways to do things than one that gave me a bunch of configuration options and told me to "figure it out for myself", in a sense. *cough cough*...

Re:How To Tweak GNOME 3 (2)

Haeleth (414428) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739980)

Yes, a magical desktop that only allowed the most efficient ways to do things would be a truly wonderful thing.

Unfortunately we live in the real world, where perfection is not quite so simple to attain. There's a reason why societies tend to propsper when they encourage diversity, and to stagnate when they enforce conformity -- and it's not because any committee has ever been able to identify the most efficient way to do everything.

If GNOME 3 happens to coincide with the ways of working that you find most efficient, then congratulations: you are a very lucky person. Enjoy the productivity while it lasts -- you have about three years before they start the next ground-up rewrite that will replace the interface you love with something you will almost certainly consider an unwieldy abomination, and you will suddenly find yourself begging for that bunch of configuration options.

Re:How To Tweak GNOME 3 (5, Interesting)

techno-vampire (666512) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739840)

To summarize my latter post, I love how GNOME 3 "puts me in the driver's seat".

That's not what I see in your review. What I see is a new interface that's designed with the assumption that there's One True Way to configure a desktop and that there's no reason to let mere users decide for themselves how they want things to work. As an example, that "feature" of showing the desktop when you move the mouse to the top right corner of the desktop is the first thing I got rid of when I started using Compiz because I personally find it obnoxious and repellent. If this is how you want your desktop to look and work, enjoy the new Gnome. Personally, I'm in the process of abandoning Gnome altogether and moving both my laptop and desktop to XFCE.

That, I might add, is one of the reasons I use Linux, not Windows: when Microsoft comes out with a new "look and feel" for Windows, you have no choice but to learn how to use it; with Linux, if you don't like one DE, you're free to try a different one.

I feel more respected already! (2)

pushing-robot (1037830) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739094)

"With any luck you will feel more focused, aware, effective, capable, respected, delighted, and at ease."

So... they're outsourcing their marketing to Taiwan?

"with any luck"-- No such luck. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35739098)

Respected? Right. "The reason we take away all the UI for configuring options is because we respect you. It certainly wouldn't be because we feel you're too dumb to decide how you want your own desktop configured or because we worry that users, if left to themselves, might configure their software to work the mundane way they want it rather than the superior way we UI elite have envisioned."

*yawn* (2)

Ritz_Just_Ritz (883997) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739158)

Changing the user experience for the sake of "changing the user experience" doesn't do it for me. Gnome3 is a downgrade for me and a nudge to check out KDE.

I guess you can't please all the people all the time, but this effort is headed in the wrong direction.

Best,

Re:*yawn* (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739278)

nothing says wrong direction then trying to create a better user experience.
Oh noes! he might check out KDE! quick appease the power user, appease HIM!

Why haven't you checked it out already? I'm not saying its better or worse, but in most environment I have used it's pretty easy to set up Gnome and KDE.

Re:*yawn* (1)

Draek (916851) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739996)

You hate changing the user experience for the sake of changing the user experience, so you'll change your user experience to a completely different one that doesn't even pay lip service to the one you switched from, and which recently changed the user experience for the sake of changing the user experience as well.

Your logic is astounding.

"Hosted by Canonical" (1, Informative)

supersloshy (1273442) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739182)

I just noticed that on gnome.org it says "Hosted by Canonical" at the bottom. Isn't it great how they're getting along, what with all the drama? :)

Re:"Hosted by Canonical" (2)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739616)

I just noticed that on gnome.org it says "Hosted by Canonical" at the bottom. Isn't it great how they're getting along, what with all the drama? :)

Yes, it is. Of course, I notice that there's no Ubuntu release on their download page ...

Re:"Hosted by Canonical" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35739760)

I just noticed that on gnome.org it says "Hosted by Canonical" at the bottom. Isn't it great how they're getting along, what with all the drama? :)

Yes, it is. Of course, I notice that there's no Ubuntu release on their download page ...

????

Copyright © 20052011 The GNOME Project
Optimised for standards. Hosted by Red Hat.

What problem does Gnome 3 solve? (4, Insightful)

Duncan J Murray (1678632) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739196)

I am all for rethinking the desktop paradigm, but I'm not sure whether Gnome 3 is a complete rethink or a desperate attempt to break out of the Windows 95 mould (which I think most linux users, given the popularity of mint and pclinuxos, would grudgingly admit is a sensible way of organising a desktop).

When I moved from Win XP to Gnome 2, I appreciated the rapid access the upper and lower bars gave me to applications, places, open applications, control of access, desktop, shortcuts, other panels and a full calendar - something that greatly improved productivity. Gone were the days of clicking on the same spot in the lower left, and then trying to manoeuvre your mouse around the nested menu upon menu just to find the setting or application you were after, which often led to the mouse losing focus and frustration all round. I feel like Gnome 3 is a step back in this regard, channelling almost all operations through the same spot in the corner could create exactly the same sort of inefficiency and bottleneck.

When I can get Gnome 3 to work properly on my setup, and give it a go for a decent period of time, maybe I'll change my mind. But I think it's more likely I'll find the answer to my own question, and realise that the problem is Linux struggling to clearly define it's niche and uniqueness between Mac OS X and Windows 7.

Re:What problem does Gnome 3 solve? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35739330)

According to gnome 3 developers, it solves the problem of you being too stupid to run gnome 2, kde, xfce, cde, windows, and osx. Since everyone knows the biggest problem everyone has is we are all drewling idiots compared to the gnome developers, seems we can all thank them and finally start to use computers now.

Horay! We're all idiots and can now dare enter a room with a computer!

Re:What problem does Gnome 3 solve? (4, Insightful)

Just Some Guy (3352) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739376)

Complacency. Gnome users haven't had to re-learn their desktop in a while, and the devs are helpfully breaking those users out of their rut.

Re:What problem does Gnome 3 solve? (1)

subk (551165) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739874)

Since 1999 I've said "I will be using Enlightenment 0.16 until it won't compile anymore." Over a decade later, it's still everything I need and want. Gnome does nothing but get in the way and slow my box down. However, I still support Gnome anyway I can. It's a clear-cut winner over KDE (IMHO), and a great starting place for anyone who has ever used a point-and-click computer of any sort. Anyway, my point is, if GNU/Linux is ever gonna end up on the desktops that "Joe Middleman" or "Susie Q. Receptionist" use, Gnome is the vehicle. Power-users should revel in the fact that they CAN rip it out and load something more to their liking, and spend less energy bashing Gnome for not fitting into their "uber" world. The fact is most people just don't care how many clicks it takes to get somewhere or how many pixels of real-estate they are losing to some widget. They just want the computer to do its job consistently and not require too many brain cells to navigate.

You've got to ask yourself one question: (3, Funny)

hduff (570443) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739200)

'With any luck you will feel more focused, aware, effective, capable, respected, delighted, and at ease.'" ... "Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk? " -- Dirty Harry

Is this the reason API docs are horrific now? (1)

oGMo (379) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739238)

Is the new page for GTK2 docs [gnome.org] a horrible textvomit for anyone else? Did they break this specifically for this release?

Re:Is this the reason API docs are horrific now? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35739968)

Holy fuck, that's awful. It's just one mistake after another with the GNOME devs these days.

Yeha but (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739248)

Gnome 3 and 4 will be held until the ransom is paid.

What about the morning after installing it... (1)

dstyle5 (702493) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739276)

... will I still feel respected then?

Note to editors-- broken link in summary (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35739318)

Maybe the developers finally regained good sense, and Gnome 3 got recalled back to the drawing board :p

Apple OS X clone (1)

tobiah (308208) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739390)

It looks like they decided to stop copying Apple indirectly by copying Windows, and start directly mimicking Apple's OS X. The universal search, the dock, and the integrated settings all look like OS X, without the fancy quartz graphics.

Re:Apple OS X clone (2)

diegocg (1680514) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739676)

I'm afraid you are wrong. I wish Gnome 3 would look and feel like OS X.

Compared to Gnome 3, OS X is a OS for geeks that love to change settings and personalize their desktops.

mod +5 funny, +6 insightfull (1)

Anne Honime (828246) | more than 3 years ago | (#35740036)

Really, you nailed this one fair and square.

Here we go (1)

PenisLands (930247) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739586)

Now they've messed GNOME up, I'll switch to XFCE while still using various GNOME programs like eog. I expect this means I'll eventually run into problems with GTK3 apps using different themes and not fitting in well with XFCE, which is apparently going to stick with GTK2 for a while yet. I hope I'm wrong.

Yawn... (1)

sl3xd (111641) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739610)

Slow news day...

Live CD with Nvidia drivers (0)

neuro88 (674248) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739636)

I know there are live CD's out there, but can someone tell me where I can find a Live CD with the proprietary nvidia drivers (haven't had too much luck with google)? I know there are legal issues, but folks have made linux live CD's in the past that shipped with the closed drivers in the past. Nouveau (sic?) probably won't work for me since I have a GTX 580.

I'm a huge KDE fan (since kde 2). Once it got past the development releases (4.3?), I liked KDE4, I love KDE4.6. With all the constant whining even about recent KDE4 releases which I personally think are great, then I figure gnome 3.0 is at least worth a shot with all the hate it's getting. :)

Re:Live CD with Nvidia drivers (1)

armanox (826486) | more than 3 years ago | (#35740048)

I'll be giving it a shot in a VM. Normally I install stuff like that on my old laptop (1,7Ghz Celeron M, ATi Xpress 200M), but I haven't been a big enough fan of GNOME to install the hole thing. Also, I agree with the KDE4 releases being better then people give them credit for.

As a CentOS user... (1)

supremebob (574732) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739716)

I look forward to using this new version of GNOME sometime around 2014.

Mmm... (1)

Dragon_Punch (1899538) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739734)

It does kinda look arousing... Or is it just me?

Great NOW only if. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35739854)

The pulse audio server is easier to remove or modify how it handles cards. Several of the best and most popular sound cards have been wrongly configured by pulse for ages...Namely the M-Audio gems that have great support everywhere except with Gnome Pulse! Pulse audio you have alienated me and are the only reason why I hate to install Gnome, I then must get rid of pulse and thereby multimedia support in Gnome!

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