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Anonymous Launches Attack On Sony

samzenpus posted more than 3 years ago | from the attack-of-the-month-club dept.

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RedEaredSlider writes "The hacker collective Anonymous has made good on its threat to attack Sony, having launched a distributed denial-of-service attack on Wednesday afternoon. The attack is revenge for the legal action taken against another hacker who modified a PlayStation 3. Sony Computer Entertainment America filed suit against George Hotz, also known as Geohot. Hotz had released a firmware modification that allowed a Sony PlayStation 3 to run other operating systems. Sony had removed that functionality some months before. The suit is still pending."

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I approve of these actions. (2, Interesting)

EkriirkE (1075937) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739304)

Am I now part Sony's subpoena to get user IPs from ./ who comment on Sony stories?

Re:I approve of these actions. (1)

dstyle5 (702493) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739388)

Since you approve of the actions, I wouldn't be surprised. Now if you were to condemn the hackers actions, vigorously defending all that is Sony, they would probably just ad you to the "watch them" list.

I don't approve of the DDoS (4, Insightful)

ZorinLynx (31751) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739704)

DDoS accomplishes nothing and makes those who support hacking consoles look like criminals. This is just more ammunition for Sony to use in court.

We need to get a ruling that hacking your own hardware is legal. It's not ever going to happen with these guerilla practices.

Re:I don't approve of the DDoS (3, Insightful)

Travelsonic (870859) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739830)

...and makes those who support hacking consoles look like criminals.

I disagree - to some extent - yes, they do tarnish the image, but I feel the largest amount of tarnishing comes from media ignorance, and ignorance on the part of the non-technical.

Re:I approve of these actions. (1, Offtopic)

zill (1690130) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739416)

I know it's not likely, but here's a hoping they'll use SQL to store the comments.');DROP TABLE Comments;--

Re:I approve of these actions. (1)

tobiah (308208) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739466)

ha! that never gets old

Re:I approve of these actions. (1)

h0dg3s (1225512) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739736)

I've never heard that one before, did you make it up yourself?

Re:I approve of these actions. (1)

Renraku (518261) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739446)

Alright, here's how it's going to work. Sony will threaten Slashdot with a lawsuit unless they cough up user IPs. If Slashdot doesn't, then they'll be aiding/abetting/participating in whatever nasty Sony is trying to say has been committed. Sony has a bigger legal budget than Slashdot, so without a technically competent judge (there aren't many), Slashdot loses. Unless they turn over the IP data.

Millions spent in legal defense, or giving up an IP address, which will they choose? As a car analogy, you can tell me all about that hitchhiker you picked up and dropped off last week or I can take your car/house/children/bank account/etc.

Re:I approve of these actions. (2)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739868)

But my IP address is not really my IP address.

I had no interest in hacking a PS3 until Sony started this attack on Geohot.

Now I've got a nice used PS3 just for that purpose. I struggled with whether or not buying a used console actually put money into Sony's hands, but I got it from a girl on Craig's list who had thrown her unemployed boyfriend out and was selling all his stuff. Fifty bucks.

Re:I approve of these actions. (1)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 3 years ago | (#35740040)

I've got a nice used PS3 just for that purpose. I struggled with whether or not buying a used console actually put money into Sony's hands, but I got it from a girl on Craig's list who had thrown her unemployed boyfriend out and was selling all his stuff. Fifty bucks.

You just admitted to knowingly purchasing stolen property (and potential conspiracy). I am not a lawyer.

Re:I approve of these actions. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35739454)

Dear Sony. I am are gonna hax the PS4 the day you release it!
Come and get me you cocksucking bastard fucks! --V

Re:I approve of these actions. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35739650)

Me too! YIPPEE!

Re:I approve of these actions. (1)

flyneye (84093) | more than 3 years ago | (#35740114)

I'll testify you were only defending yourself from all the attacks SONY has made on the world, freedom and mankind, through monopoly, corrupt government officials,abusing the TAX PAYERS courts,and that funny coating on all their electronic devices that probably makes you believe their crap is good and they are righteous dudes. I.P. this SONY, your garbage is garbage,your artists mediocre and your mama dresses you funny. You don't scare me, I'm well armed, heavily sedated and know where you go to cheat on your wife.

Sony had this coming a long time (0)

Killjoy_NL (719667) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739350)

Ever since the rootkits, lik sang and the most recent scuffles.
This may not be the legal way to retaliate, but I approve anyway!

Why DDOS? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35739360)

Isn't there a better way to get back at Sony then DDOSing there web page? Granted it works, the general public/politicians are made aware but why not do something more sinister? Spread investor rumors that cause their stock price to crash or disable their corporate email system. Something to truly cripple them would be the most effective way at getting back.

Re:Why DDOS? (2)

msauve (701917) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739412)

Why not just avoid buying Sony products? Let the free market operate. Granted, this doesn't compensate for Sony's removal of the "other OS" feature, but there's an ongoing lawsuit [groklaw.net] over that, too. It's interesting how disingenuous Sony is being, claiming different things in the two lawsuits - that should (hopefully) get them in big trouble with the courts, which don't like weasels.

Re:Why DDOS? (3, Insightful)

click2005 (921437) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739474)

Not everyone wants a $10 off voucher for some Sony product as compensation for losing an important feature (to some).

The legal system doesn't work when going up against large corporations.

Re:Why DDOS? (1)

brain_lapse (114771) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739524)

This is off topic but your signature quote got me thinking.

  He may not be DRM'd or RFID'd but he sure as hell was UID'd.

Re:Why DDOS? (-1, Troll)

pnewhook (788591) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739550)

Yes, let the free market decide, not a bunch of teenage vigilantes trying to push their own sense of morality on another company Nazi style. I like Sony product, they work for me so I'll continue to buy them.

Re:Why DDOS? (2)

Wild_dog! (98536) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739614)

Do you know they are teenage vigilantes?
How exactly is this Nazi?
Glad you like sony products and they work for you.
I won't be buying another one after 30 years as a customer of sony.

Re:Why DDOS? (1, Insightful)

pnewhook (788591) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739698)

Do you know they are teenage vigilantes?

They act like little criminal children. I doubt they are upstanding citizens.

How exactly is this Nazi?

They dont like the way a company behaves due to their own set of morals so they punish that company. This is a small group of people forcing others to their will. Bunch of freakin Nazis. Like the OP said - let the free market decide. If people dont like the company attitude then they will let them know through their purchases.

Re:Why DDOS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35739742)

way to go to diminish the 6 million jews that died during the holocaust!

Re:Why DDOS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35739932)

Bunch of freakin Nazis.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Re:Why DDOS? (4, Interesting)

Bacon Bits (926911) | more than 3 years ago | (#35740020)

They're not Nazis. They're anarchist bullies. Nazis are authoritarian, totalitarian, nationalistic, socially corpratist fanatics interested in eugenics. In other words, exactly not anarchists. SCEA has a lot more in common with Nazism than Anonymous does.

Re:Why DDOS? (5, Insightful)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 3 years ago | (#35740074)

How exactly is this Nazi?

They dont like the way a company behaves due to their own set of morals so they punish that company. This is a small group of people forcing others to their will. Bunch of freakin Nazis.

Anonymous is acting like a vigilante group, not Nazis. Enacting their revenge on Sony because they believe - and rightly so - that Sony will not be brought to task for their actions by any authority. Not enough people know about Sony's shenanigans to make a difference to their bottom line so Anonymous wants to let Sony know they are not willing to just "take it" or stand idly by as Sony persecutes GeoHot for what he did to his own hardware.

Your definition of 'Nazi' can easily be applied to local police in small communities, political groups on a national scale and even Sony's board of directors (they are punishing GeoHot because they don't like the way he behaved due to their own set of greedy, rat bastard morals). I have extended family that were killed by the Nazis - in their homes, in the war and even some in concentration camps. I must say that I am offended by your casual and ignorant use of the term 'Nazi'.

Re:Why DDOS? (1)

cheeks5965 (1682996) | more than 3 years ago | (#35740080)

Godwin's principle aside, I think you're right on the mark. It's scary that such a small group of people has enough power to shut down parts of the web at will, and will use this power so capriciously. It's easy to smirk when it happens to big evil people, but what happens if/when they shut down slashdot, for example?

Re:Why DDOS? (1)

mywhitewolf (1923488) | more than 3 years ago | (#35740166)

If people dont like the company attitude then they will let them know through their purchases.

, because "companies" that engage in unethical behaviour are very informative to the public about said behaviour.

using your nazi analogy, this is along the same lines of "if hitler was so bad, why didn't the Jews just leave?" of course this is a poor analogy, but so is equating commercial espionage performed by political activists to the genocide of millions of people.

the hive mind is a magical thing.

Re:Why DDOS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35739618)

You mean like how a stampede decides not to run a cowboy over?

Re:Why DDOS? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35739592)

It's not a free market while copyright and patent monopoly laws are distorting it. Face it, the free market won't sort it out, because sony has been rendered largely immune to free market effects by government-granted imaginary property monopolies.

Re:Why DDOS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35740102)

the free market can sort it out, if the market were truly free. you just described why the market isn't free.

Re:Why DDOS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35740116)

government-granted imaginary property monopolies.

Amen. We need to stop pretending that ideas can be owned.

Re:Why DDOS? (3, Insightful)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739692)

Why not just avoid buying Sony products?

Sheesh! You gonna avoid the iPhone 5 [techtree.com] also?

Just stop it.. Okay? Don't be an idiot.. If you want to boycott Sony, you're gonna have to boycott everything... Maybe even toilet paper. Then you can learn what the left hand is really for..

Re:Why DDOS? (1)

zill (1690130) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739732)

Maybe even toilet paper.

I know you were just kidding, but look what google found [gizmodo.com] .

Re:Why DDOS? (1)

russotto (537200) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739978)

Don't be an idiot.. If you want to boycott Sony, you're gonna have to boycott everything... Maybe even toilet paper.

Don't be ridiculous. My TP is made by by Mitsubishi, not Sony. Look for the three diamonds on the label.

Re:Why DDOS? (1)

cheekyjohnson (1873388) | more than 3 years ago | (#35740058)

If you want to boycott Sony, you're gonna have to boycott everything

Not really. You can do it one (or a few companies) at a time. Assuming the strategy works, of course. But then again, I think I do a good enough job of giving any of these companies my money.

Re:Why DDOS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35740046)

Boycotts have a documented history of limited effectiveness, but I wouldn't say they're not worth encouraging. Some people say this latest Anonymous action is not an appropriate solution to this matter, but it does have a couple of beneficial aspects. Public awareness is one, a feeling of empowerment and control for a limited segment of the population is another. Both are things that may not be directly responsible for change, but they are often seeds that make grass roots movements into dominating forces. At this stage, corporations and their lobbyists have more control in Washington than the voting public. We're stuck in a situation where all three branches of government, Executive, Legislative, and Judicial, are subservient to private not public interests. Big trouble with the courts? They don't like weasels? I'm sorry but I don't think that's a realistic viewpoint at all. Call me a pessimist, call me a skeptic, but we've entered a new era and it's not pretty for the commons.

Re:Why DDOS? (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35739492)

Keep quietly assassinating senior sony execs until the company falls apart. Make sure to make the killings look like accidents.

Re:Why DDOS? (2)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 3 years ago | (#35740094)

I'm afraid this plan will only make them successful and allow them to make good products. If you want to ruin the company, scare the execs, but find a way to force them to stay. Paranoid megalomaniac sociopaths will do more damage than their absence would do.

Re:Why DDOS? (1)

kelemvor4 (1980226) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739516)

You sure it's just the web page? My friends and I cannot login to PSN right now with our ps3's.

Re:Why DDOS? (1)

phaethon2k (1138139) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739688)

likewise... :(

Re:Why DDOS? (1)

Digital Vomit (891734) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739644)

Isn't there a better way to get back at Sony then DDOSing there web page?

I recommend fire -- and lots of it.

al3x (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35739374)

Anonymous are not fucking hackers - it's fucking stupid to call them that - they are mearly script kiddies who DDOS and think they're cool.

Re:al3x (1)

Robadob (1800074) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739406)

Given the fact that it has been seen that botnets (not #hivemind) have joined a fair few of the ddos attacks i would bet that there are a few people who are more than just script kiddies joining some of the actions.

Re:al3x (1)

unity100 (970058) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739420)

it is stupid to think that there are not quite elite hackers among them. such causes attract such hackers like bees to honey.

Re:al3x (2)

Wild_dog! (98536) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739628)

HB Gary might disagree after getting themselves pants'd then wedgied.

Re:al3x (0)

mywhitewolf (1923488) | more than 3 years ago | (#35740190)

that's like saying "Americans aren't military experts". mostly true, however it only takes a couple of military experts to lead the masses to cause some serious harm.

Bit useless ddosing corporate servers (2)

Robadob (1800074) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739378)

Wouldn't it be far more effective to ddos their psn servers.

Re:Bit useless ddosing corporate servers (1)

www.sorehands.com (142825) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739430)

But if they did that, wouldn't they need to insert trojans into the Play Station 3s to be real effective. Oh you, you can't hack them anymore. Never mind.

Re:Bit useless ddosing corporate servers (1)

History's Coming To (1059484) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739520)

And far harder. It's a system specifically designed to handle massive numbers of constantly running connections.

Re:Bit useless ddosing corporate servers (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35739578)

Wouldn't it be far more effective to ddos their psn servers.

They are targetting PSN. It's been down for at least 24 hours and Netflix won't run without logging into PSN. I just went out and bought an Apple TV because of this - and I'm not missing the PS3.

Re:Bit useless ddosing corporate servers (1)

flimflammer (956759) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739678)

This is disrupting the PSN service.

Re:Bit useless ddosing corporate servers (1)

Verunks (1000826) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739700)

Wouldn't it be far more effective to ddos their psn servers.

they actually did that, I had a hard time trying to login today to play online, so fuck you anonymous cowards

Re:Bit useless ddosing corporate servers (1)

im_thatoneguy (819432) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739774)

And disrupt most Anonymous participant's Killzone 3 evening? I think not.

Re:Bit useless ddosing corporate servers (1)

PRMan (959735) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739910)

Based on my experience this morning, they may have done that...

Re:Bit useless ddosing corporate servers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35739924)

psn servers are servers

anonymous is made up of decentral, self-organizing, voluntary cells...
of course one of them had the idea to take care of the psn servers..

That's preposterous! (5, Interesting)

marcello_dl (667940) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739394)

They dare to put offline servers owned by sony???
Don't they understand the concept of private property???
Would they like it if Sony did the same and one day decided to put a rootkit on its cds to make them difficult to copy, or issued a firmware upgrade that disables capabilities which were sold and advertised on its consoles? huh? HUH?

seriously, a boycott is safer and makes more sense. It would need to be extended to the banks that probably own sony, so it boils down to getting new hardware only when sorely needed.

Re:That's preposterous! (1)

kelemvor4 (1980226) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739464)

Boycotts almost never work. Unless perhaps every single person everywhere participated all at once and sales stayed absolutely at zero for a while (not effing likely). Great principle but they would just attribute the loss of sales to other reasons most likely and never "get it".

Re:That's preposterous! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35740082)

Well, my personal boycott of SONY may not stop them from peddling their shit, or cause them to behave any differently, but it will keep SONY out of my household, and that is sufficient for my needs.

Re:That's preposterous! (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35739506)

They dare to put offline servers owned by sony???
Don't they understand the concept of private property???

Sony is preventing people from using a feature on something they own.
The people are preventing Sony from using a feature on something they own.

Re:That's preposterous! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35739810)

This isn't about being safe, this is about publicity and pointing out to the sheep the atrocities slipping right past them. This is about Anonymous standing up for you. The media machine is an insanely powerful device if you know how to leverage it correctly ;-)

Re:That's preposterous! (1)

cheekyjohnson (1873388) | more than 3 years ago | (#35740092)

"Slipping right past them"? I'm sure that happens to some people, but even if they hear about it, will they actually care? Some of them even side with Sony.

Re:That's preposterous! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35739908)

Boycotts don't work. They have NEVER worked. History classes like to gloss over that fact because the truth usually involve extremists breaking the law.

Re:That's preposterous! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35740064)

Unfortunately, their sabotage of my PS3 has already turned me off of their products permanently. I can't boycott them any harder in retaliation for their conduct towards George Hotz. Not saying that vigilante vandalism is the answer but, hey, serves them right.

hacker collective? (1)

demonbug (309515) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739398)

More like cracker collective.

Mmm, crackers. Now I just need a wine collective and a cheese collective.

Re:hacker collective? (5, Funny)

kelemvor4 (1980226) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739476)

Cracker collective? Isn't that like the KKK?

Re:hacker collective? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35739708)

Not that actually made me laugh. +1 mod the above funny please!

Re:hacker collective? (1)

ElKry (1544795) | more than 3 years ago | (#35740044)

I was *this* close to spitting my tea all over the keyboard. An that's not a euphemism.

Ironic if (4, Insightful)

www.sorehands.com (142825) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739400)

It would be sweetly ironic if hacked Play Station 3s were used as part of the attack.

Sony astroturfers out in force (1, Troll)

DCFusor (1763438) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739402)

Or truly ignorant gamers. See the comments on this article at the Inquirer. http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2041179/anonymous-takes-playstation-website-playstation-network [theinquirer.net] Either there are a lot of very stupid gamers who forget the sony rootkit incident, and who also need to get a life, or this is Sony's class of counterattack. Sadly, Sony will be able to use this against GeoHot, as in "all those hackers are alike, see?" Gheesh.

Re:Sony astroturfers out in force (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35739494)

They have a valid opinion just as you do you bigoted ass, and you would see some of their comments here as well if you wouldn't be censor happy as you accuse Sony to be.

Re:Sony astroturfers out in force (1)

flimflammer (956759) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739706)

Looks like one of them made their way here!

Re:Sony astroturfers out in force (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35739510)

That is really really funny and sad at the same time. But it is like that everwhere these days.

Re:Sony astroturfers out in force (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35739852)

That is really really funny and sad at the same time. But it is like that everwhere these days.

It always has been and always will be, its just documented online now.

Re:Sony astroturfers out in force (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35739856)

I was thinking the exact same thing after reading the gamefly article on this. So much ignorance, and none of them realize a DDoS is the electronic equivalent to a picket line outside of an office. Either Sony has astroturfers like woah, or their customers really are just that dumb.

Re:Sony astroturfers out in force (1)

poity (465672) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739888)

Condemn Sony rootkit; condemn anon DDoS -- people with intellectual integrity are astroturfers?

Re:Sony astroturfers out in force (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35739964)

Oh... god. The comments here are some of the saddest things I have heard in a WHILE. So... many.... ignorant people!

Re:Sony astroturfers out in force (1)

znerk (1162519) | more than 3 years ago | (#35740008)

Sadly, Sony will be able to use this against GeoHot, as in "all those hackers are alike, see?"

"You may stop this individual, but you can't stop us all... after all, we're all alike." -Hacker Manifesto

Re:Sony astroturfers out in force (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35740108)

what if those users where created by "Sony reps" to post support message to themselves?
Gosh....paranoia... =)

Predicting Idiocy in 3... 2... 1... (0)

Travelsonic (870859) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739478)

How much do you want to bet the idiots defending Sony - being those who go beyond supporting SONY but defending them with ignorance of the facts [law, how hacking works, how the firmware hack works, the law, etc], slander / libel, and in some cases death threats to GeoHot and his supporters - pin GeoHot for this?

Re:Predicting Idiocy in 3... 2... 1... (1)

oracleguy01 (1381327) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739798)

It is happening. In a comment above someone posted a link to an article about it on The Inquirer and the comments are funny and sad. People are really upset that they can't play their call of duty.

A lot of the comments indicate people are suffering from a severe case of not knowing all the facts. But that shouldn't surprise anyone. They can't see the big picture and understand that their anger should be directed at Sony. I'm not saying DoSing the PSN is the best approach but it would be effective if people were actually upset at Sony. Based on the comments on that article people think GeoHot is a criminal that should go to jail.

Re:Predicting Idiocy in 3... 2... 1... (1)

Travelsonic (870859) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739882)

Just read the article - and am reading the comments - my brain just threw up trying to comprehend the idiocy.

This was not revenge for GeoHotz at all. (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35739542)

This move by Anonymous was not an act of revenge directly related to the GeoHotz debacle at all. Everybody assumes the two are directly related, when in fact they are not.

Anonymous has taken measures against Sony because of the clear abuse of the judicial system undertaken by the company which has been bordering on the violation of the rights of US citizens. It is apparent to Anonymous that Sony has overextended their reach, and are getting away with it based on their size, power and financial status. It is a clear exploitation of the legal system by a greedy corporate entity.

While I do not agree with Anonymous' methods, their point still stands, and what they have done is an unfortunate but neccessary eye opener for large companies that think they are above the law when faced with similar circumstances.

Re:This was not revenge for GeoHotz at all. (1)

pedropolis (928836) | more than 3 years ago | (#35740028)

This move by Anonymous is revenge for the soul sucking Star Wars Galaxies "updates" known as CU and NGE by SOE marketing suits.

Corbantis server... HEAR ME!!!

Fine with me (1)

jhoegl (638955) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739590)

Sony has yet to apologize for the way they have handled their SOE arm of the business.
Terrible company, just terrible.

Re:Fine with me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35740206)

They raped Infantry Online; the single greatest multiplayer game ever created.

Its business as usual (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35739642)

Its been my experience that unless people are inconvenienced they seem to overlook the misdeeds of corporations. And to reel them back in just wait until something goes on sale. This is a mere passing event..............until the next sale.

Only the informed practice what they preach with their wallets. The uninformed........well they have not been inconvenienced yet!!

another hacker? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35739728)

Calling 4chan "hackers" is like calling the kids in special ed "rocket scientists".

This hurts GeoHot (2)

schnikies79 (788746) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739788)

I don't own a single Sony branded product and likely never will, but this sad temper-tantrum that so-called Anonymous is throwing is doing nothing to help GeoHot and everything to hurt him. Lets not do anything, like stop buying their products or telling your friends why they shouldn't be buying them. Let's just egg their house instead!

This isn't the kind of people I want on my side during a court case of the this magnitude. DOSS attacks are for the lazy.

If that's all he did... (2)

Duradin (1261418) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739800)

"Hotz had released a firmware modification that allowed a Sony PlayStation 3 to run other operating systems."

If that's all he did I wonder why Sony is so mad at him. It's not like he leaked their secret or anything. If he did that then I could see Sony breaking out the big legal hammer.

Or perhaps the summary is trying to paint St. George in a better light to inspire some sympathy from those who don't know better.

Re:If that's all he did... (1)

Travelsonic (870859) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739860)

He released firmware modification, and how he figured it out - which includes, IIRC a code that is on the PS3's packaging and some basic algebra.

Re:If that's all he did... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35740084)

Yeah, it's a bit odd. fail0verflow [fail0verflow.com] broke most of the trust chain and the playing of "backups" was already possible using their work [youtube.com] ... that wasn't their goal, they just wanted to have homebrew, but inevitably that level of control enables piracy. Hotz built on that and provided another way to do it, but really the PS3 was already broken top to bottom. Maybe it's just that i)he did the first partial "break" albeit a highly impractical fat-only hardware timing attack, which lead to the removal of OtherOS, and ii)the fact he boasts about his h4x0ring and released this work as "jailbreak.zip".

Nonetheless, he has publicly violated the DMCA then painted a big target on himself under his real name. The DMCA is of course bullshit, nonetheless he should have expected to be sued. If he thought that the "cellphone jailbreaking is OK" decision would protect him, that was a little naive.

Re:If that's all he did... (2)

Travelsonic (870859) | more than 3 years ago | (#35740216)

If he thought that the "cellphone jailbreaking is OK" decision would protect him, that was a little naive.

You say that like it's a fact [that said ruling won't protect him] - how about we wait for the actual trial?

While I'm not sure I agree with DDoSes... (3, Insightful)

bhtooefr (649901) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739834)

...they're as close to a sit-in as you can get, as far as non-violent but effective protest goes.

Often, illegal things have to be done to right wrongs, especially when the laws are written by those doing the wrongs.

(If the wrongs are severe enough, extremely illegal things may be morally OK, on the other hand. As in, using the second amendment to defend oneself against violations of rights.)

Easiest way to have a profound effect on SONY (1)

Phizzle (1109923) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739886)

Is to go online and slam them in reviews on every site they advertise their wares, services, etc. Millions of potential customers base their purchasing decisions on these metrics. Sites like Amazon, Newegg, Google Products, Yelp (SONY Stores), and so on. Of course these would have to be honest reviews about products actually purchased, services actually experienced and stores actually attended.

semantics (1)

MarkvW (1037596) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739936)

Hotz=hacker
Anonymous=cracker

Summary shouldn't lump both together as hackers.

Re:semantics (2)

haderytn (1232484) | more than 3 years ago | (#35740014)

Hotz=hacker
Anonymous=cracker

Summary shouldn't lump both together as hackers.

You have presented assumptive generalization of both Hotz and Anonymous....something about lumping together...

How much damage? (2)

Zandamesh (1689334) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739946)

I'm curious, how much damage does something like turning off PSN for 24 hours do in actual money? They had to hire a security firm so it can't just be a little bit. What variables play a role?

stupid (1)

Charliemopps (1157495) | more than 3 years ago | (#35739950)

Just read that article... it's just garbage. A splinter group of anonymous? How could they have a splinter group? 3 posts in an IRC channel that everyone in the world has access to mean they did it? I could ddos Sony and post it in that IRC channel. Next time there's a major earthquake I'm going to log into a channel called OpQuake claiming Anon is activating its earthquake machine... bet it makes CNN. People are stupid.

Sony is in Japan (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35740038)

Don't attack Sony right now.
The Japanese need their games.
Have a heart.

2 minds (1)

mywhitewolf (1923488) | more than 3 years ago | (#35740086)

I'm of 2 minds over this subject, on one hand, i can hardly consider vigilantism appropriate. but as someone who was burnt by sony, i feel a personal justification of "serves them right".

on the other hand though, this is bringing a lot more attention the case, which is exactly what is needed for the "free market" to do its job properly. Even if its being gone about the wrong way, the attention of the masses to the court case and the nasty tactics that are being employed by sony is really important.
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