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Free DARPA Software Lets Gamers Hunt Submarines

Unknown Lamer posted more than 3 years ago | from the why-pay-researchers dept.

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coondoggie writes "If you have ever wanted to go torpedo-to-torpedo with a submariner, now is your chance. The crowdsource-minded folks at the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency rolled out an online game that lets players try to catch elusive, quiet enemy submarines. According to DARPA the Sonalysts Combat Simulations Dangerous Waters software was written to simulate actual evasion techniques used by submarines, challenging each player to track them successfully."

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213 comments

Last Star Fighter? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35747686)

Any word on how well Kiano Reeves does at this game?

Nooo!! You need better commanders (1)

maroberts (15852) | more than 3 years ago | (#35748060)

Any word on how well Kiano Reeves does at this game?

How would Sean Connery or Jürgen Prochnow do? (or Clark Gable/Burt Lancaster or John Mills or....)

Re:Nooo!! You need better commanders (2)

blair1q (305137) | more than 3 years ago | (#35748528)

Or Ender Wiggin.

Re:Nooo!! You need better commanders (1)

maroberts (15852) | more than 3 years ago | (#35749334)

Why choose space commanders for underwater battles? Anyway, Bean claims he was the brains behind the outfit.

Re:Last Star Fighter? (1)

rhook (943951) | more than 3 years ago | (#35748690)

Greetings, Starfighter. You have been recruited by the Star League to defend the frontier against Xur and the Ko-Dan armada.

they should crowdsource real world data too (2)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 3 years ago | (#35747692)

let free range armchair analysts catch things they miss

Re:they should crowdsource real world data too (2)

Pharmboy (216950) | more than 3 years ago | (#35748734)

I was wondering what would happen if we were *really* in a war with someone like Russia, and you just THOUGHT you were playing a game, but come to find out you were really controlling some defense system, and just killed a few hundred people in the real world.

Yes, sounds more like a movie than real life, but we aren't that many years away (in a technical possibility) from when a "citizen militia" might control expendable drones for defense.

Re:they should crowdsource real world data too (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35748796)

*cough* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ender's_game [wikipedia.org] *cough*

Re:they should crowdsource real world data too (1)

Pharmboy (216950) | more than 3 years ago | (#35749130)

Doh, I should have known that. Orson Scott Card lives here in Greensboro, NC and writes articles for The Rhino Times [wikipedia.org] .

Re:they should crowdsource real world data too (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35748962)

I move to have submarines reclassified as large ocean living mammals, and then sic PETA and GreenPeace on anyone who attacks them.

Re:they should crowdsource real world data too (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35748986)

I was wondering what would happen if we were *really* in a war with someone like Russia, ....

If you were at war with someone like Russia, the only thing that you would be controlling would be a small stick and that is if you were not already vaporized or dying from radiation exposure.

Re:they should crowdsource real world data too (1)

jandrese (485) | more than 3 years ago | (#35749240)

Isn't that the plot to Ender's Game?

Miltary Recruitment (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35747704)

It almost seems like the military is trying to recruit some gamers. Possibly based on an online rating system?

Re:Miltary Recruitment (2)

Nethemas the Great (909900) | more than 3 years ago | (#35748332)

Perhaps, but more probably, they're just doing as they said. Gaining sample data for training their AI.

Re:Miltary Recruitment (1)

danbuter (2019760) | more than 3 years ago | (#35748336)

It's a great idea. I'm betting they have been planning this for a while. Actually, I think the Army has it's own online game but set for infantry combat.

Re:Miltary Recruitment (1)

amicusNYCL (1538833) | more than 3 years ago | (#35748466)

Sounds like Ender's Game to me. How would the player know if the data they are being fed is simulated or gathered from actual sensors?

Already been done. (2)

olsmeister (1488789) | more than 3 years ago | (#35747740)

I was pretty good at it [wikipedia.org] when I was a kid.

Re:Already been done. (1)

Kazymyr (190114) | more than 3 years ago | (#35748016)

You sunk my battleship.

Re:Already been done. (1)

dkleinsc (563838) | more than 3 years ago | (#35748958)

Isn't a more appropriate game Depth Charge [wikipedia.org] ?

Cool idea, actually... (2)

_0xd0ad (1974778) | more than 3 years ago | (#35747744)

At the end of your "mission" you're asked whether you'd like to submit your (anonymous) game to the DARPA for them to analyze your tactics and how well they worked out:

As you complete each scenario in the simulation you will be asked if you would like to submit data about your game play to our database for analysis. The data collected doesn't contain any information about you or your computer, or anything else outside of what you did with ACTUV and how well it worked. Good or bad, please agree to submit your data for analysis so that we can see what tactics work (or don't work!).

Who knows... somebody out there might come up with a strategy that nobody ever thought of before.

Re:Cool idea, actually... (2)

HomelessInLaJolla (1026842) | more than 3 years ago | (#35747866)

I couldn't find the online gaming link. Unless they donate a laptop to me, and provide for a diet so that I feel like lugging it around, then they will never know my strategy.

Re:Cool idea, actually... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35748452)

Are you implying that they should regard that as a loss? That you have a sub-finding strategy that's worth the cost of a laptop and a regular supply of food? If not, then why mention it?

Also, if you couldn't find the link in the first place, how would a laptop help you use it?

Re:Cool idea, actually... (0)

HomelessInLaJolla (1026842) | more than 3 years ago | (#35748634)

That you have a sub-finding strategy that's worth the cost of a laptop and a regular supply of food?

Compared to what you do for your money. I won't even do what you do for money. Given what you have demonstrated to be your money making "profession" I could pimp you off the corner for a nickel if your paycheck were ever cut off. Your manager should begin to exploit that. Knowing that your worst nightmare would be to be my ho, they begin to work you over for everything you're worth on your job.

Re:Cool idea, actually... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35748898)

Compared to what you do for your money.

You don't know what I do for money.

I won't even do what you do for money.

Again, you don't know what I do for money, so you have no idea if you already do it.

Given what you have demonstrated to be your money making "profession"

I haven't demonstrated that at all.

I could pimp you off the corner for a nickel

How?

if your paycheck were ever cut off.

My paycheck has been "cut off" before, and more often than not it has led directly to me getting a bigger paycheck. So you are objectively wrong about that.

Your manager should begin to exploit that. Knowing that your worst nightmare would be to be my ho, they begin to work you over for everything you're worth on your job.

Sorry, but my worst nightmares are limited to scenarios that are possible in reality.

Now I will repeat my questions, since you did not answer them:

Are you implying that DARPA should regard not knowing your gameplay strateegy as a loss? That you have a sub-finding strategy that's worth the cost of a laptop and a regular supply of food? If not, then why mention it?

Also, if you couldn't find the link in the first place, how would a laptop help you use it?

Re:Cool idea, actually... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35747928)

At the end of your "mission" you're asked whether you'd like to submit your (anonymous) game to the DARPA for them to analyze your tactics and how well they worked out:

As you complete each scenario in the simulation you will be asked if you would like to submit data about your game play to our database for analysis. The data collected doesn't contain any information about you or your computer, or anything else outside of what you did with ACTUV and how well it worked. Good or bad, please agree to submit your data for analysis so that we can see what tactics work (or don't work!).

Who knows... somebody out there might come up with a strategy that nobody ever thought of before.

Don't do it because if you do post a strategy nobody ever though of before, you will get visited by a general the next day and then woosh get beamed up to some spaceship built from alien technology.

Re:Cool idea, actually... (1)

Nidi62 (1525137) | more than 3 years ago | (#35748010)

Don't do it because if you do post a strategy nobody ever though of before, you will get visited by a general the next day and then woosh get beamed up to some spaceship built from alien technology.

You say that like it's a bad thing....

Re:Cool idea, actually... (1)

Palpatine_li (1547707) | more than 3 years ago | (#35748082)

why not? You don't like to lose all appetite towards the end of the game and then remorse the killing of trillions AND a planet, do you?

Re:Cool idea, actually... (1)

ae1294 (1547521) | more than 3 years ago | (#35748848)

Don't do it because if you do post a strategy nobody ever though of before, you will get visited by a general the next day and then woosh get beamed up to some spaceship built from alien technology.

You say that like it's a bad thing....

Agreed... If I recall that guy even got a hot alien girlfriend for a few weeks before she was murdered. Plus working with rush would be a pleasure compared to those I currently work with. Plus plus at least when you're told "we're all going to die if you can't get this alien server up and running again!!!" it wouldn't be a fucking exaggeration.

Re:Cool idea, actually... (1)

Barryke (772876) | more than 3 years ago | (#35748248)

Don't do it because if you do post a strategy nobody ever though of before, you will get visited by a general the next day and then woosh get beamed up to some spaceship built from alien technology.

+1 for SGU reference.

Re:Cool idea, actually... (1)

Plombo (1914028) | more than 3 years ago | (#35748418)

At the end of your "mission" you're asked whether you'd like to submit your (anonymous) game to the DARPA for them to analyze your tactics and how well they worked out:

As you complete each scenario in the simulation you will be asked if you would like to submit data about your game play to our database for analysis. The data collected doesn't contain any information about you or your computer, or anything else outside of what you did with ACTUV and how well it worked. Good or bad, please agree to submit your data for analysis so that we can see what tactics work (or don't work!).

Who knows... somebody out there might come up with a strategy that nobody ever thought of before.

Don't do it because if you do post a strategy nobody ever though of before, you will get visited by a general the next day and then woosh get beamed up to some spaceship built from alien technology.

Emphasis mine. How can DARPA send someone to meet you if they don't even track who you are?

Re:Cool idea, actually... (2)

amicusNYCL (1538833) | more than 3 years ago | (#35748510)

You don't think it's possible for an agency like DARPA to figure out who is using a particular IP? They say the data is anonymous because 1) it makes people feel better and 2) it is anonymous, at least until they want to put a name to your IP. If someone is beating all of their simulations, you better bet that they would want to contact that person and at least offer them a job.

Re:Cool idea, actually... (1)

ae1294 (1547521) | more than 3 years ago | (#35748900)

At the end of your "mission" you're asked whether you'd like to submit your (anonymous) game to the DARPA for them to analyze your tactics and how well they worked out:

As you complete each scenario in the simulation you will be asked if you would like to submit data about your game play to our database for analysis. The data collected doesn't contain any information about you or your computer, or anything else outside of what you did with ACTUV and how well it worked. Good or bad, please agree to submit your data for analysis so that we can see what tactics work (or don't work!).

Who knows... somebody out there might come up with a strategy that nobody ever thought of before.

Don't do it because if you do post a strategy nobody ever though of before, you will get visited by a general the next day and then woosh get beamed up to some spaceship built from alien technology.

Emphasis mine. How can DARPA send someone to meet you if they don't even track who you are?

It's a misquote, should read:

At the end of your "mission" you're asked whether you'd like to submit your data (to anonymous)and to the DARPA for them to analyze your tactics and how well they worked out:

"But they said" (4, Funny)

stonecypher (118140) | more than 3 years ago | (#35747850)

Anyone who's read Xenocide, by Orson Scott Card, is now fidgeting nervously.

Re:"But they said" (2)

MozeeToby (1163751) | more than 3 years ago | (#35748118)

Why? Xenocide was about a 3 intelligent species living together on a planet trying to prevent the evil humans blowing them up. Everyone knew what they were doing, most especially the captain with his finger on the trigger of the doomsday device.

Ender's Game on the other hand, that might cause a shudder.

Re:"But they said" (1)

InsertCleverUsername (950130) | more than 3 years ago | (#35748210)

Exactly. My first thought was "Hmmm... Is this Ender's Game meets the War on Drugs?" (See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narco_submarine [wikipedia.org] )

Re:"But they said" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35748616)

War on Drugs?

You're getting awfully close this: U.S. Border Patrol Spends $1 Million on Videogame [hispanical...ngnews.com] to simulate their job.

35.5 hours till the federal Romper Room closes.

Re:"But they said" (1)

dwye (1127395) | more than 3 years ago | (#35748328)

Ender's Game on the other hand, that might cause a shudder.

Or saw The Last Starfighter (IMDB=http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087597/ , wikipedia=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Starfighter).

Re:"But they said" (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 3 years ago | (#35748904)

Yea the first think I thought was Holly Last Starfighter Batman. Reminds me of a friend of mine that loved to play Red Storm Rising on his C64. We joked that he was going to have the Navy knock on his door one day.

Re:"But they said" (1)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 3 years ago | (#35748124)

That was my first thought -- "How do we know this isn't a trick like in Ender's Game?"

Re:"But they said" (4, Funny)

Jeremi (14640) | more than 3 years ago | (#35748286)

That was my first thought -- "How do we know this isn't a trick like in Ender's Game?"

Only because it's too obvious. When the government really wants people to unwittingly direct battles from afar, it releases the software under its other label, EA.

Re:"But they said" (1)

Rob Riggs (6418) | more than 3 years ago | (#35748294)

That was my first thought -- "How do we know this isn't a trick like in Ender's Game?"

I was going to say "because we have journalists covering it and would see reports in the media." But I see your point. Here in the U.S., our best news reports are on a comedy channel.

Re:"But they said" (1)

rhook (943951) | more than 3 years ago | (#35748758)

Do you really believe that the government doesn't control many aspects of the media? Ever notice how there's always some high-profile celeb story constantly on the news whenever there is something going on that the government doesn't want anyone paying attention to?

Re:"But they said" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35749196)

Ever notice how there's always some high-profile celeb story constantly on the news whenever there is something going on that the government doesn't want anyone paying attention to?

As opposed to when? (On both.)

Re:"But they said" (1)

Chris Mattern (191822) | more than 3 years ago | (#35749344)

Well, yeah. There's also always some high-profile celeb story constantly on the news whenever there *isn't* something going on. Welcome to television news. This must be your first time here.

Re:"But they said" (1)

Ruke (857276) | more than 3 years ago | (#35748434)

Because I'm going to crash my submarine into a cargo transport every chance I get.

First the drones... (2)

ItsJustAPseudonym (1259172) | more than 3 years ago | (#35747876)

From the article: "Gamers will be virtually driving one of DARPA's Anti-Submarine Warfare Continuous Trail Unmanned Vessels (ACTUV) - basically sea-going drones DARPA wants to have built to track down real submarines."

How long before the actual drones are carrying torpedoes (or are themselves torpedoes), and there will be armchair NAVY operators shooting at vessels from the comfort of a naval base? It has worked similarly with Predator drones.

Re:First the drones... (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 3 years ago | (#35747930)

sooner better then later. If we can get the advantages of a submarine, without having to staff the submarine, that's a good thing.

Re:First the drones... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35748062)

There's the little problem of transmitting a wireless signal through ocean water however. Salt water loves to absorb EM radiation.

Re:First the drones... (1)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 3 years ago | (#35748164)

The drones appear to have an antenna which sticks up above the surface of the water.

Re:First the drones... (1)

_0xd0ad (1974778) | more than 3 years ago | (#35748596)

If so, I don't think they're planning on using it much mid-mission. From the PDF [fbo.gov] on the drones (pg. 6):

Autonomy
    Independently deployable unmanned system
    Sparse shore-based remote supervisory command and control model
    Capable of autonomous risk-based mission continuation through command and control interruptions
    Adaptive constraint set based on strategic context, mission phase, internal state, and external conditions
    Compliance with the Convention on the International Regulations for Preventing Collisions at Sea (COLREGS) and maritime law
    High fidelity surface navigation and situational awareness sensors
    High fidelity internal state awareness and dynamic performance assessment

It seems like they're planning on launching these things and then having them operate completely autonomously - most likely it'll only communicate with its land-based handlers at the very beginning/end of its mission.

Re:First the drones... (1)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 3 years ago | (#35748968)

Hence the need for sophisticated AI.

Re:First the drones... (2)

_0xd0ad (1974778) | more than 3 years ago | (#35748048)

These drones will be underwater, which means it'll be very difficult to make radio communication with them. Also you have to keep in mind that underwater tracking and evasion depends very highly upon stealth. It probably wouldn't be broadcasting anything to avoid giving away its presence.

I find that interesting because it implies that the intelligence required to navigate the sub and track enemies will probably have to be built in to the sub's on-board computer rather than having someone control a dumb drone remotely like the unmanned aerial drones. This will probably be much more autonomous.

Re:First the drones... (1)

cavreader (1903280) | more than 3 years ago | (#35748584)

Bingo! Why do you think they are looking to aquire a large dataset to feed into the onboard computers? The more data the better. From totally stupid tactics and moves to ones that verge on master level strategies. I'm wondering why they have not come up with a similiar plan for the next generation of arial drones. The people who design these types of systems are some of the best scientist and engineers on the palnet and while you might not agree with them using their intelligence to create weapons the fact is they do a damn good job and are willing to employ novel strategies to accomplish their goals. I remember seeing an early documentary on the F-22 design process and they actually recruited kids to help layout the cockpits and control arrays. The head engineer stated they would bring in a new kid and put him in the cockpit (simulated) and see if he could figure out the controls without any instruction. He said the average time from novice to pro was 20 minutes and then the kids would then turn around and make suggestions on how the control layouts could be improved.

Re:First the drones... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35748798)

No, players that submit winning strategies will be cored out of their meaty package and put inside one of the drones. Or is that only obvious to me?

Re:First the drones... (1)

rhook (943951) | more than 3 years ago | (#35748844)

Re:First the drones... (2)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 3 years ago | (#35748928)

Way too low of a bandwidth for any type of remote control.

Re:First the drones... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35749264)

Useful for sending orders to a drone sub hiding out in the middle of the ocean (even if said instruction is just to surface for a satellite transmission with the real data), but not so useful for the continuous data required for actual remote control, and it still doesn't solve the problem of the drone communicating back to base. It's not exactly going to be able to do ELF transmissions discreetly.

Obligatory (1, Funny)

mysqlrocks (783488) | more than 3 years ago | (#35747880)

In Soviet Russia, Submarines hunt you!

Re:Obligatory (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 3 years ago | (#35747962)

In Soviet Russia, Commanders have Scottish accents.

never gonna let you forget! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35748202)

The penis is evil!
The gun is good!

No thanks! (1, Insightful)

gmueckl (950314) | more than 3 years ago | (#35747886)

So I'd be helping them with building better weapons (even unmanned killing machines!) by playing games? No thanks!

Re:No thanks! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35747954)

Shush!!

The download link is getting slashdotted about now. DL bandwidth is already below 100kB/s... People, stop downloading!!!

Re:No thanks! (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 3 years ago | (#35747986)

Yes, it's far Superior to use old weapons that kill more people whoa rent intended target.

Re:No thanks! (1)

Clsid (564627) | more than 3 years ago | (#35748886)

Kind of hard to target the wrong sub.

Re:No thanks! (2)

christurkel (520220) | more than 3 years ago | (#35748178)

If you are a US taxpayer, you already are.

Re:No thanks! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35748324)

Change your name to Ender, then you'll be all set!

Re:No thanks! (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 3 years ago | (#35748972)

Yea because nobody else is building weapons. It is a nice fantasy land you live in too bad that it isn't real.

"Shall we... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35747908)

...play a game?"

Does this sound like... (1)

ELitwin (1631305) | more than 3 years ago | (#35747938)

Enders Game to anybody else? Maybe DARPA is just telling us that this is a simulation

Looks Like DARPA... (0)

mholve (1101) | more than 3 years ago | (#35747952)

...Took "to the cloud!" a little too literally.

"Yeah, um, those enemy subs are... Simulations." ;)

Greetings Starfighter (4, Funny)

JoeMerchant (803320) | more than 3 years ago | (#35748014)

You have been selected [wikipedia.org] to defend the Frontier from Xur and the Ko-Dan Armada.

Re:Greetings Starfighter (1)

mdielmann (514750) | more than 3 years ago | (#35748526)

Yeah, this seems more likely than the Ender's Game scenario - at least at this point. After all, in Ender's Game, they didn't start the 'simulations' until they'd passed rigorous training.

Now, if someone comes up to you, after a few successful months, and says, "We'd like you to come work on some simulations," I'd be a bit suspicious. But it could be a great job opening.

Glorious Exposition, Comrade! (1)

atari2600a (1892574) | more than 3 years ago | (#35748174)

Anyone know how it compares to American Army?

Someone at DARPA watching The Last Starfighter... (2)

spagthorpe (111133) | more than 3 years ago | (#35748190)

I wonder who shows up at your door when you get really good?

Re:Someone at DARPA watching The Last Starfighter. (1)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 3 years ago | (#35748340)

What Would Jimi Do?

Take too many drugs, choke on his own vomit, and die.

Are you sure you're choosing the right person to emulate?

Do you want to play a game? (1)

MoldySpore (1280634) | more than 3 years ago | (#35748214)

How about, Global Thermonuclear Submarine Warfare?

Re:Do you want to play a game? (1)

blair1q (305137) | more than 3 years ago | (#35748422)

The only way to win is to drain the tub.

Re:Do you want to play a game? (1)

El Torico (732160) | more than 3 years ago | (#35748794)

Nuke it from orbit; It's the only way to be sure.

Go hog wild (1)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 3 years ago | (#35748222)

Just don't ask me not to say "I told you so!" when the kids that are really good at this "game" start mysteriously disappearing!

Based on Dangerous Waters (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35748246)

This is based on the SCS:Dangerous Waters game you can buy I steam. I've owned a copy since it came out in 2006. It is a great game, although the multiplayer had a few bugs and the publisher (strategy first) went out of business. SCS makes the sims the US navy uses, so the realism in this game is quite good.

real math, science 'different' than chosen ones (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35748274)

hugh probably knows that. chosen ones holycost eugenetic 'science' leaves out a future for most of us, & requires total blind faith as the #s don't match anything. for example;

previous math discardead; 1+1 extrapolated

deepends on how you interpret it. chosen ones holycost georgia stone freemason 'math'; the
variables & totals are objective oriented; oranges: 1+1= not enough,
somebody's gotta die. people; 1+1=2, until you get to .5 billion, then
1+1=2 too many, or, unless, & this is what always happens, they breed
uncontrolled, naturally (like monkeys), then, 1+1=could easily result in
millions of non-approved, hoardsplitting spawn. see the dilemma? can
'math', or man'kind' stand even one more League of Smelly Infants being
born?

there are alternative equations being proffered. the deities (god, allah,
yahweh, buddha, & all their supporting castes) state in their manuals that
we needn't trouble ourselves with thinning the population, or being so
afraid as to need to hoard stuff/steal everything. chosen people? chosen
for what? to live instead of us? in the case of life, more is always
better. unassailable perfect math. see you at the play-dates, georgia
stone editing(s) etc... babys rule.

exploding babys; corepirate nazis to be caged
there are plans to put them, (the genetically, surgically & chemically
altered coreprate nazi mutant fear/death mongerers (aka47; eugenatics,
weapons peddlers, kings/minions, adrians, freemasons etc...)) on display
in glass cages, around the world, so that we can remember not to forget...
again, what can happen, based on greed/fear/ego stoking deception.

viewing/feeding will be rationed based on how many more of the creators'
innocents are damaged, or have to be brought home (& they DO have another
one) prematurely.

source of du rounds, tear gas, land mines secret?

secret mystery of god providing aimlessly? seems as though our rulers get them by default, then, arm the (soon to be) armless/lifeless? yikes. whois in charge of all this madness?

oppressed pop. worldwide receiving arms shipments

many of the newer subscription issues include the even newer miraclemorph prosthetic devices, so that the advanced weapons may be operated by the armless of every discipline, race, motive etc... being fair to all is truly disarming.

censored? chariots? honestly?

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this is the part (here, now) where real math science & history kick in all at once.... meeting the need

Re:real math, science 'different' than chosen ones (1)

Loomismeister (1589505) | more than 3 years ago | (#35748402)

What in the shit just happened

Dear Slashdot mods: demand original source links. (5, Interesting)

goodmanj (234846) | more than 3 years ago | (#35748350)

The Slashdot post is about a cool game website. It has a link in it. Where does it go? Not to the game, but to Network World's article describing it. This happens ALL THE TIME, and it's is no coincidence: article authors are using Slashdot to drive traffic to their own sites. Network World in particular does this *constantly*.

Refuse to play along. Slashdot moderators should reject articles which don't link to original source data. "Scientists publish interesting paper" should link to the Nature journal article, not to Bob's Science Blog. "Company releases new geek toy" should link to the vendor's website, not myawesometoyblog.com. Make Slashdot an information source, not a spam factory.

Re:Dear Slashdot mods: demand original source link (1)

ItsJustAPseudonym (1259172) | more than 3 years ago | (#35748490)

Mod parent up!

Re:Dear Slashdot mods: demand original source link (3, Insightful)

Ruke (857276) | more than 3 years ago | (#35748554)

I don't necessarily see a problem with this. Certainly there are abuses; I'll grant you that. However, I don't have a subscription to Nature, and I don't have the experience necessary to interpret Biology that "Bob" does. If the article linked has a decent analysis of the subject matter, I'd say that it's often more valuable to me than just the source data.

NCD (1)

blair1q (305137) | more than 3 years ago | (#35748382)

No can do.

The acronym isn't l33t enough.

That other one they mention, though, the "Experimental Crowd-derived Combat-support Vehicle"? Which any normal editor would shorten to "ECDCSV", but DARPA's uber-h4xx0rs turned into "XC2V"? That's the one I want to drive into the valley of the shadow of death and fuck some charlie up with. Virtually, of course. Because if I care about its fucking acronym I'm not the type to be putting my fleshy mass in harm's way for some shit like freedom and rights and shit.

Taken to it's logical conclusion.... (1)

Above (100351) | more than 3 years ago | (#35748384)

...can't they pipe real time sensor data into the internet, and let the gamers directly control the countermeasures? Why have a trained, staffed military when you can just start a new "battle" online that contains real data, rather than computer made up data for once? The gamers never even need to know!

Re:Taken to it's logical conclusion.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35748544)

Why have a trained, staffed military when you can just...

Because they don't want their drones destroyed when the gamers stop to heat up a Hot Pocket.

Re:Taken to it's logical conclusion.... (1)

dominious (1077089) | more than 3 years ago | (#35748622)

The gamers never even need to know!

They don't!

Re:Taken to it's logical conclusion.... (1)

cavreader (1903280) | more than 3 years ago | (#35748696)

The ultimate in virtualizing warfare without all the death and destruction. If only we could get countries to actually treat the results of the virtual war like you would a regular war but alas that would be asking too much.

Re:Taken to it's logical conclusion.... (1)

Plombo (1914028) | more than 3 years ago | (#35748710)

Because gamers are unreliable. What are they going to do if someone decides in the middle of a game that he's bored and goes to eat some cookies?

And such a game would have to be missing pause functionality for obvious reasons. Risking loss of control of military equipment because some random person wants to answer his cell phone is not a very smart risk.

Too big of a coincidence (1)

ItsJustAPseudonym (1259172) | more than 3 years ago | (#35748474)

First, we learn that Richard Branson plans a "Virgin Oceanic Submarine". In the same day, we learn that DARPA has released a game that allows users to simulate hunting submarines.

I'm forced to conclude that somebody at DARPA really hates that Branson guy.

hmmm... (2)

Charliemopps (1157495) | more than 3 years ago | (#35748660)

Ok, this thing looks cool and I totally wanna try it out, but there's no way in hell I'm downloading an executable from DARPAs website and running it on my PC. I suspect what they are really testing has absolutely nothing to do with submarines.

Re:hmmm... (1)

ae1294 (1547521) | more than 3 years ago | (#35749042)

Ok, this thing looks cool and I totally wanna try it out, but there's no way in hell I'm downloading an executable from DARPAs website and running it on my PC. I suspect what they are really testing has absolutely nothing to do with submarines.

Does it run on linux?

Why is it so hard? (2)

thePowerOfGrayskull (905905) | more than 3 years ago | (#35748750)

Is it really so hard to post to the actual source of this type of information? Instead submitter links to networkworld... which for some reason links to the leaderboard, but not the download site. For those wondering, here's the download link: http://www.darpa.mil/VideoFiles/ACTUV/DARPA%20ACTUV%20Game.zip [darpa.mil]

Welcome!! (1)

Nov8tr (2007392) | more than 3 years ago | (#35748850)

Well I for one welcome our Submarine Overlords!

GlobalThermoNuclearWar (1)

tunapez (1161697) | more than 3 years ago | (#35749290)

Shall we play a game?
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