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Obama Administration Wants Your Old Email

Unknown Lamer posted more than 3 years ago | from the good-people-have-nothing-to-hide dept.

Privacy 639

Nemesisghost wrote to us with a story about attempts to reform the 1986 Electronic Communications Privacy Act. Under the act, messages left on a server are considered abandoned after six months and are trivially subpoenaed by law enforcement. A group of ISPs is lobbying to extend the protections afforded to locally stored messages to messages stored on third party servers, but the Obama administration is urging Congress not to reform the law.

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639 comments

Obama acomplishments (1, Insightful)

bongey (974911) | more than 3 years ago | (#35752048)

The only thing that Obama did good was get elected. Every single person except real left wing die hards are cursing him. What has he really accomplished? Obamacare was slim ball way to pass such a huge measure.

Re:Obama acomplishments (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35752066)

Come on, man. I agree with you, but we've had the same argument here a thousand times before, and will a thousand times more. There is nothing left to be said, let's spend our time arguing about the specifics of email abandonment instead.

HEY ASSHOLES FIX THIS %)# SHIT !! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35752438)

Yeah that's 503.. What the fuck is the matter with you idiots?? FUCK OFF !!!

Obama acomplishments (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35752470)

Yeah, burn the American flag [flagburningworld.com]

Re:Obama acomplishments (4, Insightful)

nomadic (141991) | more than 3 years ago | (#35752078)

Nope, completely wrong; the left wing die hards have been criticizing him for a while. It's the moderates who like him. I'm a little disappointed in how he's done, though even now he is still head and shoulders above GWB, or how McCain would have been.

Re:Obama acomplishments (1)

bongey (974911) | more than 3 years ago | (#35752106)

Don't like GWB either , their all the same. Just Obama sold me on being the same. So I am little pissed.

Re:Obama acomplishments (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35752146)

Yeah, Obama stopped the war and thank god he closed Gitmo! He's way better than G Dub!

Re:Obama acomplishments (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35752232)

Anyone who thought those items were even slightly possible drank waaay too deeply from the ultra-liberal kool-aide.

Delusional...

Re:Obama acomplishments (5, Insightful)

MBGMorden (803437) | more than 3 years ago | (#35752306)

Anyone who thought those items were even slightly possible drank waaay too deeply from the ultra-liberal kool-aide.

Delusional...

Anyone who thinks them impossible has become to brainwashed by the political tendency (by both parties) to keep saying something until people believe it.

Re:Obama acomplishments (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35752394)

Anyone who thought those items were even slightly possible drank waaay too deeply from the ultra-liberal kool-aide.

Indeed, it is delusional to think that any El Presidente/Commandant in Chief would dare to use his office-granted powers to call up Generals Fuckwit and Dicksmooch to tell them, "Hey, wankers, you know Afghanistan and Iraq? Tits or GTFO."

Too much money to be made in industry; too much power to be usurped from bedwetting twatwaffles who are afraid of them there 'brown' people.

Re:Obama acomplishments (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35752340)

Um...Gitmo is still open, and not only are we still in the two wars we started this term with, another one has been added.

Try living in reality, it's nice this time of year.

Re:Obama acomplishments (1)

Gofyerself (1709970) | more than 3 years ago | (#35752370)

Whoosh!

Re:Obama acomplishments (5, Insightful)

PeeAitchPee (712652) | more than 3 years ago | (#35752198)

he is still head and shoulders above GWB

We're still in Iraq. We're still in Afghanistan. He's started a third war in Libya. Gitmo is still open. Unemployment is still way too high. We're still broke and spending more than we ever have. The Patriot Act is still around and the Administration continues to press on with other initiatives which erode the rights of American citizens. So, exactly how is BHO "head and shoulders above GWB"?

Re:Obama acomplishments (3, Informative)

afidel (530433) | more than 3 years ago | (#35752228)

What war in Libya? We've basically done some live bombing practice and sent in a handful of trainers and some covert troops. We expended more resources arresting Noriega.

Re:Obama acomplishments (1)

areusche (1297613) | more than 3 years ago | (#35752358)

What war in Libya? We've basically done some live bombing practice and sent in a handful of trainers and some covert troops. We expended more resources arresting Noriega.

Yeah because it doesn't cost money flying those planes, shooting those missles, and running the logistical equipment needed to not only handle those troops on the ground.

Re:Obama acomplishments (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35752366)

b/c congress voted on it right... oh wait.

Re:Obama acomplishments (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35752396)

Perhaps you aren't familiar with the word "war", so here are definitions from Dictionary.com (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/war).

1. a conflict carried on by force of arms, as between nations or between parties within a nation; warfare, as by land, sea, or air.
2. a state or period of armed hostility or active military operations: The two nations were at war with each other.
3. a contest carried on by force of arms, as in a series of battles or campaigns: the War of 1812.
4. active hostility or contention; conflict; contest: a war of words.

Yes, expended more resources arresting Noriega, which was another unnecessary foreign entanglement.

Re:Obama acomplishments (1)

Gofyerself (1709970) | more than 3 years ago | (#35752398)

Uhhh.. Yeah. We bombed the hell out of them. An act of open war!

Re:Obama acomplishments (1)

electron sponge (1758814) | more than 3 years ago | (#35752472)

What war in Libya? We've basically done some live bombing practice and sent in a handful of trainers and some covert troops. We expended more resources arresting Noriega.

Just because we're doing it half-assed doesn't make it any better.

Re:Obama acomplishments (2, Funny)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 3 years ago | (#35752230)

So, exactly how is BHO "head and shoulders above GWB"?

Because...... change!

Re:Obama acomplishments (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35752276)

For one I would say Obama has a head above his shoulders.

Re:Obama acomplishments (2, Insightful)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 3 years ago | (#35752308)

You know I never really cared for GWB either but mocking the man's intelligence when he was smart enough to get elected Governor of one of the largest states in the Union and then beat the best the Democratic Party had to offer twice in a national election is pretty pathetic.

Re:Obama acomplishments (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35752356)

We nearly elected a senile old man and his bimbo VP to presidency. Intelligence is not a requirement for office. And if Obama is evidence of something, it's that intelligence is not necessarily a helpful trait.

Re:Obama acomplishments (1, Insightful)

Glock27 (446276) | more than 3 years ago | (#35752376)

You know I never really cared for GWB either but mocking the man's intelligence when he was smart enough to get elected Governor of one of the largest states in the Union and then beat the best the Democratic Party had to offer twice in a national election is pretty pathetic.

Not only that GWB has a MBA from Harvard. 0 has kept his records closed, why is that do you suppose? Don't the American people deserve to see the school accomplishments of the "smartest President ever"? What was his SAT/ACT score I wonder?

0 is an outright sham and disgrace.

Re:Obama acomplishments (-1, Troll)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 3 years ago | (#35752460)

Don't the American people deserve to see the school accomplishments of the "smartest President ever"?

I don't recall claiming he was the "smartest President ever". I recall saying that it's pretty pathetic to mock the intelligence of someone that was enough to navigate our political system to win the highest office in the land. I'd like to see you manage that same feat.

Re:Obama acomplishments (1)

airfoobar (1853132) | more than 3 years ago | (#35752392)

I'm pretty sure getting elected has little to do with intelligence and a lot more with campaign funding.

Re:Obama acomplishments (2)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 3 years ago | (#35752464)

If funding is all it took we'd all be talking about the accomplishments of President Perot.

Re:Obama acomplishments (0)

nomadic (141991) | more than 3 years ago | (#35752234)

We're not in Iran. Libya is not a war in the sense that Afghanistan and Iraq is. He's wrongfully kept too many of GWB's policies, but he hasn't instituted any new breathtaking stupid ones. That was the problem with GWB and Cheney, just when you thought they couldn't do anything worse than what they already came up with they'd come up with some new insanity.

Re:Obama acomplishments (2)

VAElynx (2001046) | more than 3 years ago | (#35752252)

Libya is a gross breach of international conventions and meddling with the affairs of a sovereign state.
You are right, this isn't like GWB, this is like Clinton., and his whole escapade into jugoslavija

Re:Obama acomplishments (1)

Unoriginal_Nickname (1248894) | more than 3 years ago | (#35752466)

VAElynx, just in case you were curious: having a high school diploma is great. I highly recommend it.

Re:Obama acomplishments (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35752238)

> So, exactly how is BHO "head and shoulders above GWB"?

He didn't create any of those messes, even if he hasn't been able to make much progress with cleaning them up. OTOH, I guess we still haven't seen how Libya is going to turn out, so I do still have some reservations.

Re:Obama acomplishments (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35752274)

We're leaving Iraq

We're using the resources that were foolishly devoted to Iraq on Afganistan. Hopefully we will be out of there soon.

And in Libya we went in with an international coalition so that we wouldn't once again be left holding the bag. We did it right for the first time in a long time.

What was the last internation coalition that George W Bush and John "Take 12 floors off the UN" Bolton lead?

Oh that's right, they would rather go it alone into an unnecessary and immoral quagmire like Iraq.

Now that George W Bush has left in disgrace revisionist historians stepped in to rewrite history. It may work with the Fox "News" / teabag crowd, but only a fool would not be able to tell the difference between George W Bush and Barack Obama

Re:Obama acomplishments (2, Insightful)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 3 years ago | (#35752348)

And in Libya we went in with an international coalition

Bullshit. The United States is doing the bulk of the heavy lifting. We went in with two allies making real contributions (France and the UK) and twenty five providing moral support (the rest of NATO). If that's a "coalition" then GWB arguably had one for Iraq.

Oh that's right, they would rather go it alone into an unnecessary and immoral quagmire like Iraq.

This is such an amazingly hypocritical position that it defies belief. Our stated reason for intervening in Libya is the protect the civilian population. Care to venture a guess as to how many Iraqis died at the hands of the Saddam regime? I don't recall Gaddafi ever using WMDs (gas) on his own people. I don't recall him invading two of his neighbors. I don't recall him trying to assassinate any former US Presidents.

You could at least be consistent about it. If you oppose intervention (as I do) then you need to condemn Obama's intervention in Libya. If you support humanitarian intervention then you can't very well condemn GWB for deposing Saddam. Only an idiot could claim the Iraqi people are worse off for having him removed from power and held accountable for his crimes.

Re:Obama acomplishments (1)

Gofyerself (1709970) | more than 3 years ago | (#35752442)

Libya is a "Humanitarian Mission". Just like our "humaitarian mission" in the Ivory Coast?

Re:Obama acomplishments (1)

cgenman (325138) | more than 3 years ago | (#35752290)

So, exactly how is BHO "head and shoulders above GWB"?

He has only gotten us in 1 war, which is reasonably tractable, and under completely truthful pretenses. He didn't establish "free speech zones," whereby protesters outside of free speech zones can be arrested. While he hasn't closed Gitmo, he hasn't opened any new ones either.

Re:Obama acomplishments (1)

Gofyerself (1709970) | more than 3 years ago | (#35752454)

Truthful pretenses? No we have huge interest in the oil in Libya, not the humanitarian interest the talking heads are spewing. If we were interested in human interest we would be getting in to most of the African conflicts.

Re:Obama acomplishments (2, Insightful)

MoonBuggy (611105) | more than 3 years ago | (#35752332)

I'm not a great fan of Obama, and I'm sincerely disappointed in his performance, but I'd agree with those who say he's much better than Bush.

Bush started the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan (absolutely unjustly, in my opinion), but having done so it would cause a greater mess to disappear and leave a power vacuum. Better not to have gone in in the first place, but now the troops are there, I agree with the decision to remain. Agree with it or not, Libya's a different situation: backing up something the local population started, rather than starting something at the behest of the US government.

As for Gauntanamo bay, I quite agree with you, he has absolutely failed in his promise to shut the place down; his administration's attempts to give the inmates fair trials have been hindered by congress (something I find absolutely astonishing), but nonetheless he made a promise he wasn't in a position to keep. Still, though - Bush actually started the place, and considered it a good idea, while Obama is having trouble in his attempts to shut it down; I'd call that a serious improvement, even if far from perfect (and, to be honest, well below even 'acceptable').

I'll admit to not being well enough informed on the current US economic situation to comment with confidence, but I do know enough to know that the major issues with the worldwide banking organisations early in Obama's presidency make direct comparisons to Bush's terms difficult.

As for the patriot act and general civil liberties: I basically agree with you, Obama hasn't lived up to what many of us hoped for, and that is a serious problem. Again, though, Bush was the instigator of many of these policies, and Obama's greatest crime has been not to repeal them - I know "ll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing", but there is still a difference between actively pushing for bad policies (not to say Obama hasn't done some of that too) and failing to remove the ones that already exist. On some issues (gay rights, for example) Obama has at least tried to make a stand, although he hasn't done anywhere near enough.

On balance, though, that still puts him ahead of Bush on some issues and as bad, or almost as bad, on others. Not a shining report, certainly, but still better than Bush.

Re:Obama acomplishments (1)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 3 years ago | (#35752434)

Bush started the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan (absolutely unjustly, in my opinion)

Afghanistan was unjust? Really? I take it you've never been to Lower Manhattan or Arlington, have you?

Re:Obama acomplishments (2, Insightful)

Archangel Michael (180766) | more than 3 years ago | (#35752456)

Unjustly, you mean by getting the consent and approval from congress, verses Obama, we're going to send planes to bomb a sovereign country without any provocation what-so-ever?

You may not like the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and that is fine. The war in Lybia is pure and simply a "war for oil", more so than Iraq ever was, but you seem to like it because the bombs have (D) on them and not (R).

Re:Obama acomplishments (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35752380)

Leaving Afghanistan was not a pledge; it was not something most Slashdotters desired to see happen either.

Re:Obama acomplishments (1)

Odin's Raven (145278) | more than 3 years ago | (#35752390)

So, exactly how is BHO "head and shoulders above GWB"?

I think the GP was engaging in a bit of hyperbole - while BHO is taller than GWB [wikipedia.org] , the difference is more comparable to a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. (Homer voice: "Mmmmmm...PB&J...")

Abe Lincoln vs James Madison - now that's head and shoulders. (Zombie voice: "Mmmmmmm...head and shoulders...")

Re:Obama acomplishments (1)

Mr. Underbridge (666784) | more than 3 years ago | (#35752474)

You forgot about actually expanding FISA (which he criticized) and greater use of direct-kill with UAVs (we don't need no steeeenkin' trials). He wants to expand surveillance programs to give the government ever more ability to monitor communications, financial transactions, and other things that one might prefer kept private. TSA has become an even bigger clusterfuck ("hey! free porn on this here monitor thingie!). Essentially, all that stuff he said in the election? Fuck that shit

But on the positive, he's returning to his roots and getting back to what he does best: campaigning.

Re:Obama acomplishments (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35752488)

You know what the first media complaint was when the US rejected the Libyan no-fly zone proposal?

"Oil apparently more valuable than human life."

You have your own opinion about Libya. The problem is, it's an unpopular one this time around.

Re:Obama acomplishments (1)

ayvee (1125639) | more than 3 years ago | (#35752206)

... even now he is still head and shoulders above GWB, or how McCain would have been

That's not saying a lot.

Re:Obama acomplishments (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35752294)

I've had enough ...
The office of president is not graded on a curve, they will be judged based on what they have or have not done. Not compared to what you think someone else might have done had they been elected.

It is ok to say you made a mistake or that you disagree with someone.... you don't have to rationalize or make excuses like "yeah well _______ was bad and all but at least he wasn't Attila the Hun or Winne the pooh or a drunken lemur." It does not make ______ or you look any better when you make comparisons that are silly and unverifiable.

This isn't a sports team you don't have to still be their fan when they suck.

O wait I forgot this is the internet where every conversation devolves to an argument and ends with "my dad can beat up your dad"

Re:Obama acomplishments (2)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 3 years ago | (#35752314)

It's the moderates who like him

Then why did they flee his party in droves in the mid term elections and hand the vast majority of battleground congressional districts to the GOP?

Re:Obama acomplishments (4, Funny)

Giometrix (932993) | more than 3 years ago | (#35752094)

I'm pretty sure real left diehards are cursing him too.

Re:Obama acomplishments (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35752124)

This is probably a troll but it's funny that you say "real" left-wing die hards, as opposed to the fake left-wing die-hards. I consider myself left and am not surprised at his behavior, he was centrist/sucking up to the republicans on the campaign trail. Perhaps one day in the USA we can have a run-off voting system instead of this inevitable two-party bullshit because of senior voters.

Re:Obama acomplishments (1)

man_of_mr_e (217855) | more than 3 years ago | (#35752268)

Real, in this case means "Really", as in "extreme", not "real" as in "The Real World" (which isn't really real either really).

Come on, get real, already and really join the real brigade.

Re:Obama acomplishments (1)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 3 years ago | (#35752270)

re-al
adjective
1. actually existing as a thing or occurring in fact; not imagined or supposed
2. informal complete; utter (used for emphasis)


Guess which definition he was using. Tip: it was #2.

Re:Obama acomplishments (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35752154)

He's worse than Bush. Bush may have been stupid, but he wasn't such a fraud.
If Obama had been president 10 years ago he would have gone to war as well. No doubt about it.

Re:Obama acomplishments (3, Informative)

nomadic (141991) | more than 3 years ago | (#35752246)

If anyone but Bush and maybe a handful of neocon politicians had been in office, we would not have gone to war in Iraq. It took active fraud and a bizarre and paranoid worldview to think that it was a good idea; 99% of Republicans and 100% of Democrats would have refrained from invading Iraq.

Re:Obama acomplishments (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35752372)

He probably would've gone to war in Afghanistan, but in Iraq? I don't think so.

Obama Brought back Jobs and Growth (4, Informative)

bit trollent (824666) | more than 3 years ago | (#35752216)

Look at this chart. [washingtonmonthly.com]

That chart shows that Barack Obama saved the economy from the Republican engineered disaster.

A decade of Republican policies brought us an economic disaster. Barack Obama brought us back to growth and put us on the path for prosparity.

We may wish it was faster, but every competent software developer already has a job, and the economy is only getting better. Err.. it was until the Republican party decided to shut down the government for the second time in as many decades.

The people who complain that our recovery isn't fast enough advocate the policies (of insane deregulation) that brought us the economic disaster in the first place. And now of course they are doing their best to kill the recovery before it reaches the rest of the country.

Just like they want to kill health care reform before it saves to many lives.

Re:Obama Brought back Jobs and Growth (3, Informative)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 3 years ago | (#35752288)

Actually we to kill health care "reform" because it takes away the individual right to choose and represents a frightening expansion of Government. Few people would argue in favor of the status quo. We just don't think a 2,200 page rube goldberg piece of legislation that claims the power to regulate economic inactivity is the best way to go about fixing what is broken.

Have you actually read the legislation that your party rammed down the throats of the American people? Did you know it makes it illegal to start up new hospitals? Did you know that it sets minimum standards of insurance that will preclude people from buying high deductible policies even if those policies make economic sense for them? Do you know they helped to pay for it by imposing excise taxes on medical devices (everything from pacemakers to breast implants) that will increase the cost of those devices and further inflate health care costs?

This legislation stinks. Sorry that you are too busy hating the GOP and gloating over your supposed victory to see that.

Re:Obama Brought back Jobs and Growth (1)

bit trollent (824666) | more than 3 years ago | (#35752336)

That's an awful long way of saying that you approve of uninsured freeloaders who get care when they get hurt, even if they can't pay. So much for personal responsibility...

If my hospital has to care for an uninsured person who gets into a car accident, then everyone has a responsibility to carry health insurance. It's the only fair way to deal with the unexpected illnesses that people can't afford.

Even people like you who value insurance company profits over human life should be able to see that.

Re:Obama Brought back Jobs and Growth (3, Insightful)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 3 years ago | (#35752404)

That same logic could be used to justify a repeal of the bankruptcy code and return to debtors prisons. Freeloaders whom can't pay their debts drive up borrowing costs for the rest of us.

Re:Obama Brought back Jobs and Growth (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35752432)

Oh, god. 'rammed down the throats of the American people'. Jon Stewart did a clip of Republicans/right wing commentators repeating that phrase over and over - try having an original thought. Obama made clear he was going to seek healthcare reform when he ran for office, and the American people elected him and a majority Democratic congress. Polling suggests that if anything a plurality of Americans are annoyed that they didn't go far enough.

Until you decide that it's not okay to let people die from illness when your society is being rich enough to heal them I personally think your human race membership card should be revoked.

Re:Obama Brought back Jobs and Growth (1, Insightful)

bongey (974911) | more than 3 years ago | (#35752296)

Can you please point to somewhat of unbias resource . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Washington_Monthly [wikipedia.org] is left leaning and was founded by someone who started in the peace corps. So yes you link is bullshit.

Re:Obama Brought back Jobs and Growth (1)

bit trollent (824666) | more than 3 years ago | (#35752316)

Do you have any information contradicting those numbers?

I didn't think so.

  Liberals don't spend all day lying, unlike Fox "News". A liberal newspaper isn't automatically false, and the Peace Corps is very honorable institution.

The linked numbers are accurate, so provide information to the contrary or kindly stfu.

Re:Obama Brought back Jobs and Growth (1)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 3 years ago | (#35752378)

Liberals don't spend all day lying

"I can make a firm pledge. Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes." -BHO, one of his first acts was to sign legislation increasing the Federal excise tax on cigarettes. The major achievement of his administration (if you can call it that) was the ACA, which contains new taxes on people that decline to purchase health insurance

“Both of us want to provide health care to all Americans. There’s a slight difference, and her plan is a good one. But, she mandates that everybody buy health care. She’d have the government force every individual to buy insurance and I don’t have such a mandate because I don’t think the problem is that people don’t want health insurance, it’s that they can’t afford it,” Obama said in a Feb. 28, 2008 appearance on Ellen DeGeneres' television show. “So, I focus more on lowering costs. This is a modest difference. But, it’s one that she’s tried to elevate, arguing that because I don’t force people to buy health care that I’m not insuring everybody. Well, if things were that easy, I could mandate everybody to buy a house, and that would solve the problem of homelessness. It doesn’t." -BHO successfully leveraging the individual mandate against HRC, he later signed legislation containing such a mandate

"To be clear: Barack will support a filibuster of any bill that includes retroactive immunity for telecommunications companies." -Obama for America spokesman Bill Burton. Senator Obama later voted in favor of telecom immunity in the FISA bill

Yep, I'm glad Liberals don't spend all day lying. They are totally different from the other corporate owned party in this regard.

Re:Obama Brought back Jobs and Growth (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35752320)

Obama's policies reversed job losses in the space of one month?

Clinton did not sign this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Reinvestment_Act#Regulatory_changes_1995

"By early 1995, the proposed CRA regulations were substantially revised to address criticisms that the regulations, and the agencies' implementation of them through the examination process to date, were too process-oriented, burdensome, and not sufficiently focused on actual results."

I guess by 'actual results' they mean giving as many housing loans as possible to poor people. Way to go Republicans.. oh wait

Re:Obama Brought back Jobs and Growth (1)

bit trollent (824666) | more than 3 years ago | (#35752354)

No, I'm talking about an insane level of deregulation of the financial industry, which Republicans pushed for and got.

The affordable housing act couldn't have taken down the whole economy if not for deregulation of the entire financial industry.

Re:Obama Brought back Jobs and Growth (1)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 3 years ago | (#35752418)

No, I'm talking about an insane level of deregulation of the financial industry, which Republicans pushed for and got.

If only we had a Democrat in office back in the 90s when all of that deregulation happened. He could have vetoed it or something.

Re:Obama Brought back Jobs and Growth (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35752328)

I like how you completely ignore the fact that Dems controlled the house and senate for two years before BHO took over, and the Fair Housing Act and associated Democrat legislation had a huge impact on the current economic instability.

"decade of republican policies brought us this disaster" my ass. A decade of liberal policies that went uncorrected and conservatives earmarking like it was going out of style brought us to where we are.

Look at the Obama adminstrations budget, projected deficits, and the amount of debt we've added to the national debt in two years. Republicans may have been caught red-handed about spending, but the liberals and their big-government, tax-heavy ideals combined with their equally reckless spending is the largest part of the mess our country faces.

Re:Obama Brought back Jobs and Growth (0)

bit trollent (824666) | more than 3 years ago | (#35752346)

The President matters. George W Bush was the worst President in recent history.

Are you suggesting that democrats should have changed every single law in the country before George W Bush finally left the Presidency in disgrace?

It takes time to fix disastrous Republican policies.

Pesident - Economy (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35752384)

As much as I disliked Bush and I prefer Obama, things are improving because of the business cycle. Presidents really don't have that much control over an economy.

Yeah, the Reps passed laws that greatly reduced regulation in the financial markets, but I'm not so sure they caused it - poured gasoline on the fire, but didn't start it.

Re:Obama acomplishments (1, Insightful)

errandum (2014454) | more than 3 years ago | (#35752284)

You guys are delusional.

From an international standpoint, your allies actually talk to you now.

From an economic standpoint, your economy is actually almost getting out of the hole republicans led you to

Yes, you're still in two wars. Two wars he did not start and he's been trying to end since he got elected

Did he do everything he said he'd do? No. Far from it. Way too many politics in the way of ideals. Too bad, some of those were actually good.

But can you honestly say he's been bad? I guess you'd prefer the side that says "3 is a better number for pi".

Re:Obama acomplishments (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35752350)

But can you honestly say he's been bad?

Did you not read the article? The man and his misadministration are effectively attacking the Constitution of the United States.

I'm sorry that you don't seem to comprehend that an assault on the fourth amendment is just as evil as anything Bush or any of the Republicans may have done. I'm sorry you don't understand the meaning of the word liberty; that you have no notion of this country's founding ideals.

I'm sorry that you're retarded.

I'm sorry for you. I'm sorry for me. I'm sorry for all of us, because you, sadly, aren't alone. No. You and your fellow sports fans are legion, waving your pennants and cheering for the blue team while the country burns down around us.

Re:Obama acomplishments (1)

errandum (2014454) | more than 3 years ago | (#35752482)

As opposed to the ones that were there before? Do you really want me to mention all the violations your "freedom" or "liberty" suffered during the Bush era?

And I was not commenting the news article, I was just talking about Obama's administration as a whole.

You talk big. But you sound like one of those guys that closes his ears, forgets his past and nitpicks at anything bad that Obama's done. Oh wait... I've had an epiphany...

Glenn Beck! Is that you?

Re:Obama acomplishments (5, Insightful)

sqrt(2) (786011) | more than 3 years ago | (#35752468)

Left-wing die hards ARE the ones cursing him! Obama is not a leftist, he is a socially moderate pro-business Democrat. Look at his handouts to the media industry (appointments of industry insiders to high positions in his administration) and favorable treatment to business with tax (they practically let GE write their own tax code). Even the much derided "socialist" Obamacare was in actuality a massive government give away to insurance and pharmaceutical companies. Real socialized medicine reform wouldn't have allowed those two players to have a seat at the negotiating table, it's impossible to balance their interests (profits) with the idea of covering everyone because the people in most need of care are the least profitable to insure. He does no better on foreign policy. He hasn't closed Gitmo, has made no real progress divesting us in the Iraq or Afghanistan adventures, and has in fact added a third mid-East country to our list of active military engagements; Libya--although that is only in an air-war capacity, similar to America's involvement in the war in the Balkans under Clinton.

I voted for him the first time. I wanted a real left-wing president to bring the US back on course after so many years of disastrous right-wing imperialist policies that nearly brought our economy to the point of utter collapse, increased inequality to points nearly as high as our nation has ever seen in its history, and squandered the good will of the world that we had just barely started to win back.

Obama is NOT a socialist, and that's a shame, because that's what the US needed. It is what we still need.

LOL! AMERICAN FREEDOM! LOL! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35752052)

LOL! American Freedom! LOL!

One good reason to avoid webmail. (4, Insightful)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 3 years ago | (#35752114)

Well here would be one big reason to avoid webmail or outsourced mail servers in general.

Although most people really aren't "geeky" enough to avoid having someone else handle their email server. This law is just attempting to take advantage of the average n00b's clueless and disorganized nature....

+...calling something at the bottom of that big pile on your desk "abandoned".

They should enforce a standard like that for out of print creative works...

It's all just a part of the Corporate/Individual double standard that both parties heartily embrace.

Re:One good reason to avoid webmail. (1)

alostpacket (1972110) | more than 3 years ago | (#35752180)

I think the implications go beyond email too. Imagine the RIAA not needing a subpoena to have a look at your Amazon-hosted music collection

Re:One good reason to avoid webmail. (1)

Unknown Lamer (78415) | more than 3 years ago | (#35752186)

I leave my mail on the IMAP server of the hosting cooperative I'm in (for easy access anywhere, they keep backups so I don't have to, etc), and it looks like I unknowingly abandoned the data! I trust the cooperative infinitely more than I would trust e.g. gmail, but it looks like law enforcement can just as easily request access to my old mail there.

Re:One good reason to avoid webmail. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35752318)

Not intentionally, it is because the law is old.

Cloud Computing (5, Interesting)

denshao2 (1515775) | more than 3 years ago | (#35752126)

Is my old data on a cloud based system considered abandoned if I continue to actively use the system but don't touch some items?

Re:Cloud Computing (0)

Master Moose (1243274) | more than 3 years ago | (#35752192)

Is their data on a cloud based system considered abandoned if I continue to actively use the system but don't touch some items?

There, fixed that for you

Re:Cloud Computing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35752330)

Good question - I was about to post effectively the same one myself. In my mind, if I regularly use an email account, then data in that account is NOT inactive, even if it is "antique" in internet time. I have messages in my gmail folders that are 6+ years old. They are there because a) it is convenient, and b) they still have value to me, for reference purposes if nothing else.

Re:Cloud Computing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35752338)

Wait, you're only just now thinking about the horrible implications of using cloud computing, months or years after you started doing so?

Thinking one move ahead... (0, Flamebait)

amightywind (691887) | more than 3 years ago | (#35752142)

Obama is indeed a pathetic joke. Let us bomb the terrorist Gaddafi so the terrorists take over the Libya! What an inspiration.

Re:Thinking one move ahead... (1)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 3 years ago | (#35752278)

In the interest of fairness, we're also bombing the rebels.

Not totally against this. (4, Interesting)

mywhitewolf (1923488) | more than 3 years ago | (#35752152)

So they would require an additional warrant to investigate additional email addresses for emails older than 6 months? if someone had a PO box and a residential post box, does the law require 2 warrants to search each of the post boxes? the legal requirement should match this.

However I disagree with the consideration that emails on a web server that are 6 months old on are abandoned.. i have 6 year old emails on the web that i still refer to occasionally, with a push to the more efficient cloud computing its important to recognize this, a web based email account should be considered the same as a PO box as far as privacy is concerned.

Re:Not totally against this. (2)

smurfsurf (892933) | more than 3 years ago | (#35752440)

> So they would require an additional warrant to investigate additional email addresses for emails older than 6 months?

Why would they need two warrants? They would need ONE warrant to access ALL emails. Currently, they need NO warrant to access old emails and ONE warrant to access new emails.

The initiative wants to get rid of the provision for warrantless access. More power to that.

The Daily Chimpout (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35752170)

Today, featuring Africans in Tel Aviv [youtube.com]

Re:The Daily Chimpout (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35752374)

Ha, I love that one!
 
  Look at all those big-nosed mustachioed Jews schlepping around, not out of hostility but curiosity, as if they were watching monkeys at the zoo.

Those who don't learn from history... (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35752172)

Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. The last time we elected a Republican house with a Democratic President the Republicans shut down the government.

Then we tried a Republican legislature with a Republican President. They took the country from a surplus to a deficit with tax givaways to the rich. They let their industry buddies poison the air and water. They drove the economy of a cliff. They were a national disaster.

After electing another Republican house majority we should have expected the government to be shut down.

Unfortunately people don't learn from history and the Republican party is again shutting down the government.

Please stop voting Republican. America deserves better.

Eerie feeling (2)

bongey (974911) | more than 3 years ago | (#35752190)

Just watch 'V for Vendetta' the other day, and got the feeling that governments around the world are becoming scary similar to British Government protayed in the movie. They are not killing people but it is truly scary the amount of invasion of the privacy the government wants to "Protect you from the terrorist " .

Abandonment Term (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35752196)

Let's increase this term to Life + 95 years for e-mails sent by people, 120 years for those sent by corporations (including works for hire). For e-mails that are in the outbox, drafts, or any other unsent mail, it's life + 95 years, or 120 years from the date of creation, whichever is shorter.

Re:Abandonment Term (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35752222)

I see what you did there.

Error 503 Service Unavailable (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35752224)

Get your shit together ass wipes. Not only does your redesign suck, but now all the user info is 503... What a bunch of lame dumbfucks you people are.

I LOVE IT! Bring back encrypted public BBS mail! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35752226)

I can't wait for the day where all my mail is viewable in the public and delivered through a peer2peer network or like MeshNET so that the mail is never actually readable before arriving to me and there is no server log to maintain.

What is mail or eMail actually? Is it a transmission like from a station or is it an enveloped (encrypted) postcard that is publicly readable yet means nothing to anyone not in The Know?

I will be using Spam Converter (Penis Enlargement Mod) to encrypt my eMail so everyone reads nothing but a nasty-advertisement despite actually being written in such a way to conceal my message to someone.

Technological equivalency (4, Insightful)

Compaqt (1758360) | more than 3 years ago | (#35752264)

If the people don't have the right to be secure in their papers and effects (by extension, computers and emails), what right does the government have (by extension) to
-buy weapons systems that didn't exist when the Constitution was written?
-set up a cyberspace command?
-use electronic money?

When interpreting the people's rights, it's always done to the letter. When interpreting the government's rights, it's done expansively. [/rant]

Is there a problem with login into slashdot? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35752360)

I can't login I am getting http 503. Anybody else have same problem?
       

Seriously Dude? (1)

Low Ranked Craig (1327799) | more than 3 years ago | (#35752388)

You've done not one good goddamn thing since you were elected. Gitmo closed? Nope. Healthcare reform? Nope (the law that was passed is NOT reform, since it addresses none of the real problems of the existing system - just forces everyone into the same broken system) Patriot Act still in force? Check. Making war on yet another Middle Eastern country (hey, at least Bush got congress to go along) Check. In bed with big business? Checkerino (see also GE / Jeffery Immelt) This is complete and utter bullshit. I use various gmail accounts and such to arvhive old client e-mails. It is certainly not "abandoned". I will be contacting my congressman about this immediately.

An itch to scratch (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35752402)

Now I feel like walking naked through an airport and blatantly farting while being searched.

Abandonment (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35752452)

My view, make email abandonment terms the same as copyright terms. Ownership is ownership.

The law needs to be changed (1)

aklinux (1318095) | more than 3 years ago | (#35752484)

I had forgotten about this, assuming I actually heard about it at the time. I think that with current technology, such as imap, the definition of "abandoned mail" needs updating. I personally think that after a certain period of no access, ISPs should be allowed (maybe even required) to purge the email. I don't think the government should EVER have free access to it. I don't care how long it's been. I think 6 months is probably to short a time, but I do think there should be a time set. I would also be willing to consider some sort of provision for access in the case of concern over the welfare of the account holder, again w/ appropriate safeguards.

The conservatives want servitude (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35752490)

Obama's administration may want your old email, but the Republican's want to subject you to servitude to the Industrial-Agricultural-Military Complex. The rich get richer, and then they get more tax breaks. And they continue to get laws passed that favor businesses with failed, outdated business plans.

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