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Wozniak: I Would Consider Returning To Apple

Roblimo posted more than 3 years ago | from the we-all-bow-before-the-mighty-Woz dept.

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Google85 writes "Steve Wozniak told Reuters he would consider returning to an active role at Apple, the company he co-founded, and believes the consumer electronics giant could afford to be more open than it is."

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Has he done anything after that? (3, Interesting)

toQDuj (806112) | more than 3 years ago | (#35767578)

Sorry to be obtuse, but has he done anything of note recently? I only know him from his achievements in the distant past...

Re:Has he done anything after that? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35767628)

Well isn't that acute...

Re:Has he done anything after that? (5, Funny)

rolfwind (528248) | more than 3 years ago | (#35767656)

Yes, he's a member of a Segway Polo team.

Re:Has he done anything after that? (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35767658)

From tfa:

"There's just an awful lot I know about Apple products and competing products that has some relevance, some meaning. They're my own feelings, though," said Wozniak, who is currently chief scientist of storage start-up Fusion-io.

Post Apple Career [wikipedia.org] .

Stop being obtuse.

Re:Has he done anything after that? (2)

jdpars (1480913) | more than 3 years ago | (#35768086)

Looks like all he's done is use his old Apple connections to "start up" several companies that all later closed.

Re:Has he done anything after that? (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35767828)

His engineering skills are clearly obsolete by several decades, but he can be an advisor, as he uses other tech, unlike the current leader of the cult. He is a man that can mend bridges. Apple's bubble won't last forever, and like Sony, they're building an army of haters and pissed off consumers that are fed up with the lock-in on their toys/phones.

Re:Has he done anything after that? (1)

macs4all (973270) | more than 3 years ago | (#35767872)

His engineering skills are clearly obsolete by several decades

Wrong.

Re:Has he done anything after that? (1)

clang_jangle (975789) | more than 3 years ago | (#35768234)

Apple's bubble won't last forever, and like Sony, they're building an army of haters and pissed off consumers that are fed up with the lock-in on their toys/phones.

They turned me into a newt! I got better...

Re:Has he done anything after that? (-1, Troll)

Trip7 (2037612) | more than 3 years ago | (#35767890)

Well he worked for [tinyurl.com] Microsoft for a while.... So just like Nokia CEO?

Re:Has he done anything after that? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35768276)

Well played, sir. Well played.

Goatse URL (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35768282)

Haven't seen that guy in a while

Re:Has he done anything after that? (1)

Bitch-Face Jones (588723) | more than 3 years ago | (#35768220)

You know Kathy Griffin? Yeah, he tapped that.

Why tell the world? (1)

jordanjay29 (1298951) | more than 3 years ago | (#35767594)

And not Apple? This sounds more like a PR stunt than a serious offer, or an off-the-cuff remark he offered in an interview that some reporter's sensationalized. If Woz had intentions of returning to Apple, he'd probably phone up Jobs or another company exec, and not Reuters.

Re:Why tell the world? (5, Informative)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 3 years ago | (#35767632)

FTFA:

"I'd consider it, yeah," the 60-year-old computer engineer said in an interview, when asked whether he would play a more active role if asked.

Someone asked him the question so he answered it.

Re:Why tell the world? (-1, Troll)

jordanjay30 (2037614) | more than 3 years ago | (#35767912)

He also said that current closed Apple stategy harms [tinyurl.com] Apple

Re:Why tell the world? (3, Insightful)

contrapunctus (907549) | more than 3 years ago | (#35767966)

just post the damn url, i'm not going to click on a tinyurl link and get goatse'd or something...

Sure, sorry! (-1, Flamebait)

FudRucker1 (2037616) | more than 3 years ago | (#35768042)

full link [freeblogspot.org]

Re:Why tell the world? (1)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 3 years ago | (#35768314)

Turn on tinyurl preview and you won't. It's one of the few safer URL shorteners.

Re:Why tell the world? (1)

fbartho (840012) | more than 3 years ago | (#35768324)

http://tinyurl.com/preview.php [tinyurl.com] -- you can turn on previewing for tinyurl, so at least you know where the first hop leads to...

Re:Why tell the world? (1)

fbartho (840012) | more than 3 years ago | (#35768364)

Doh! One has to also recognize data urls. *sigh*

Re:Why tell the world? (2, Informative)

517714 (762276) | more than 3 years ago | (#35768294)

Many consumers like Apple products because they make it easy to buy and consume content without glitches, but the closed system that makes this possible locks customers and media and software providers into Apple's proprietary iTunes online store and iOS operating system. Some critics compare it to Microsoft in that regard.

Nobody asked the question, the reporter just made it up.

Re:Why tell the world? (1)

FooAtWFU (699187) | more than 3 years ago | (#35767670)

Yeah; if he's saying "it could afford to be more open" it sounds like he has a little bit of an agenda there which may not be aligned with the current direction Apple is going or its shareholder's best interests. So, despite other qualifications, he might not be the best guy for the job.

Re:Why tell the world? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35768296)

I don't know if Apple were a little more open I would probably own a Mac-book, an Ipod, and maybe even occasionally use Itunes.

As it stands I'm a Linux Mint user who buys from system76 and builds my own and I get my media from Pandora radio and Jamendo.

Re:Why tell the world? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35767802)

You are a fucking moron. Even if you couldn't be bothered to actually read the interview before you posted your hare-brained speculation, a moment thought would have led you to the reasonable guess that he was ASKED the fucking question during an INTERVIEW. Jeez are you an idiot.

Re:Why tell the world? (4, Informative)

macs4all (973270) | more than 3 years ago | (#35768300)

And not Apple?

1. Who says he hasn't?

2. Knowing Woz since 1978, I can tell you that he is one of the most OPEN persons on the planet. If you ask him a question, he will answer, unless the answer requires divulging a secret R&D project, and then he can hardly contain himself! I remember having some phone conversations back around 1979 regarding some work on what was to eventually become the Lisa (yes, the article was dead wrong. He worked on the Lisa project, as well as the pretty much only designer of the Apple 1 and ][, as well as the principal naysayer regarding the reliability-killing overcomplexity of the Apple /// design!). And, everyone forgets that he is the principal designer of the Apple ][ gs; a machine that was sadly just a little too late to the party, but a DAMNED fine update!

And knowing Woz for as long as I have, I can also tell you that his answer was NOT "off-the-cuff". He puts thought into every question in every situation. That's just the the "engineer" in him.

Great! (1)

Grindalf (1089511) | more than 3 years ago | (#35767600)

Digital Beige Box here we come! Muahahahahahahahaahahaha!

Right on Woz! (2, Insightful)

MoldySpore (1280634) | more than 3 years ago | (#35767614)

See? Not everyone associated with Apple has the same mantra as Steve Job's closed off bricks of user inaccessibility and locked down interfaces that tell the user they can't modify their own hardware or software without voiding a warranty. It took the judicial system to rule that it was legal to jail break an iPhone. I have a feeling that if Woz was still a major player in Apple's development and ways of thinking, this would have never been necessary. I say kick that turtle-neck wearing skeleton outta there and reinstate Woz as new Apple overlord! ;)

Re:Right on Woz! (2, Insightful)

metaomni (667105) | more than 3 years ago | (#35767654)

Yeah! Apple totally should entirely change its business model. I mean, it's not like they've gone from almost-dead to the second-largest market cap company in the United States under Steve Jobs.

Re:Right on Woz! (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35767798)

Yeah! Apple totally should entirely change its business model. I mean, it's not like they've gone from almost-dead to the second-largest market cap company in the United States under Steve Jobs.

Yeah! Who would have ever guessed that if you buy 10's of thousands of slaves you can drive your profit margins through the roof?

Give me as many slaves as Steve Jobs owns in China and I'll build you a better fucking computer, guaran-fucking-teed.

Re:Right on Woz! (1)

NiceGeek (126629) | more than 3 years ago | (#35767838)

Please don't pretend that every other electronics/computer manufacturer doesn't do exactly the same thing. It doesn't justify Apple's actions, but until I see you ranting about Dell or HP, I'll consider you a hypocrite.

Re:Right on Woz! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35768354)

But Apple builds the same old crap as every other computer manufacturer, most of which actually do build a better fucking computer. Capitalism isn't about who makes the best product, it's about who is the best at making a shitty product look appealing.

Re:Right on Woz! (3, Insightful)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#35768102)

You do realize that if they hadn't chosen an inept business model in the first place that we'd likely be complaining about Apple's monopoly over the desktop market, right? There were a lot of inept decisions which led to the near demise of Apple, but being too open wasn't really one of them. (Depending upon how you count allowing other manufacturers to make hardware that could run their OS

One of the reasons that Apple lost out was the lack of openness to the platform, there were other problems, but that wasn't helping them any.

Re:Right on Woz! (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 3 years ago | (#35767700)

See? Not everyone associated with Apple has the same mantra as Steve Job's closed off bricks of user inaccessibility and locked down interfaces that tell the user they can't modify their own hardware or software without voiding a warranty.

I agree with you that jailbreaking should be legal but are you stating that Apple or any manufacturer should honor their warranties regardless of what modifications you made? Doesn't that set an unreasonable expectation of support? By logic, does Ford have to service your engine even if you've replaced it with a Chevy engine?

Re:Right on Woz! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35767726)

Apple or any manufacturer should honor their warranties regardless of what modifications you made?

If the problem causing a warranty return is hardware related and all I've modified is software then yeah.

Re:Right on Woz! (1)

HelioWalton (1821492) | more than 3 years ago | (#35767762)

Let's put this in to a car analogy:

A person gets his car remapped. This can include things like unlocking a maximum speed set by the company. Consider this as the "jailbreaking" of the car. It is possible that the car company put that limit there in order to prevent excessive wear due to crazy speeds.

"But all I did was modify the software!". Nope, no warranty, since you put the engine outside of it's expected engine parameters. Maybe going extra fast made the engine really hot and melted it into a molten block of metal.

Same thing here.

Re:Right on Woz! (3, Insightful)

russotto (537200) | more than 3 years ago | (#35767846)

"But all I did was modify the software!". Nope, no warranty, since you put the engine outside of it's expected engine parameters. Maybe going extra fast made the engine really hot and melted it into a molten block of metal.

The burden of demonstrating that the failure was due to the modification is on the car maker, however.

Re:Right on Woz! (0)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 3 years ago | (#35768080)

No it isn't. Most warranties are agreements and as such they define what is and is not covered. They also spell which actions may void the warranty. Significant modifications not done at an authorized center voids the warranty. Normally modifications (if needed) must be also be done at authorized service center for liability reasons. If you take your car to any repair person, the maker cannot guarantee the modification was done the right way. If an authorized center consistently botches work, the maker can revoke their certifications until they fix whatever problems. You can probably sue but if the modification was not done by an authorized center, it doesn't matter if the modification did any damage at all; the warranty was already voided.

Re:Right on Woz! (1)

russotto (537200) | more than 3 years ago | (#35768174)

No it isn't.

Yes, it is. Look up the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act, and the case law surrounding it.

Significant modifications not done at an authorized center voids the warranty.

This is specifically prohibited by 15 USC 2302(c).

Re:Right on Woz! (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 3 years ago | (#35768256)

Did you read the whole thing?

(c) Prohibition on conditions for written or implied warranty; waiver by Commission No warrantor of a consumer product may condition his written or implied warranty of such product on the consumer's using, in connection with such product, any article or service (other than article or service provided without charge under the terms of the warranty) which is identified by brand, trade, or corporate name; except that the prohibition of this subsection may be waived by the Commission if - (1) the warrantor satisfies the Commission that the warranted product will function properly only if the article or service so identified is used in connection with the warranted product, and (2) the Commission finds that such a waiver is in the public interest.

Re:Right on Woz! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35768394)

So has the Commission granted such a waiver to Apple/Ford/ACME/whoever you two were talking about?

Do they have a reasonable case that might be expected to "satisfy the Commission that the warranted product will function properly only if the article or service so identified is used in connection with the warranted product"?

Or are you just bringing up a clearly irrelevant exception to avoid admitting you're wrong?

no a better car analogy is with the radio (1)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 3 years ago | (#35767886)

no a better car analogy is with the radio and they say be changing the radio the engine warranty is void or they can say you went to jiffy lube and not the dealer for a oil change.

Re:no a better car analogy is with the radio (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 3 years ago | (#35768094)

Most car companies consider an oil change maintenance and not a modification. And replacing the radio yourself does void the warranty on the radio. Unless the OP has specific instances of how hardware or software changes should not void the warranty, generally significant modifications do void warranties. Replacing the OS with another should delay any repair until the original OS is restored.

Re:Right on Woz! (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 3 years ago | (#35767938)

Depends on what you consider a modification. Installing or removing apps is not considered voiding the warrant. Changing the configuration using standard methods like the UI does not void the warranty. Replacing the OS with one that the technician has no experience and Apple has not tested with their hardware should void the warranty. Remember that some modifications could damage hardware. That innocuous setting that overclocks the processor migh inadvertently fry it if run too long. The problem is Apple can no longer guarantee that the device is running as designed.

Re:Right on Woz! (1)

fast turtle (1118037) | more than 3 years ago | (#35768192)

Software should have no possibility of fragging hardware and thus if the hardware is failing, then it should be covered under warranty. Of course, we all recall the LG Burner fiasco don't we? That's the one where LG was doing something screwy and not following the specs and people were fragging their burners under Linux.

In the case of support, if it's not a supported software configuration IE: linux on a Dell windows box, then I can see software support being unable/unwilling to help as it's an unsupported configuration and the user is on their own but if it is a supported configuration (sold that way) then there should be no reason for the support department to waffle about providing support although they may be incompentent at it.

Re:Right on Woz! (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 3 years ago | (#35768318)

Software should have no possibility of fragging hardware and thus if the hardware is failing, then it should be covered under warranty. Of course, we all recall the LG Burner fiasco don't we? That's the one where LG was doing something screwy and not following the specs and people were fragging their burners under Linux.

With software and hardware, any foolproof system can be defeated by ingenious fools. There's a reason why lawnmowers have warnings on them that you should lift while the thing is running. It seems like common sense but some idiot will think he can turn his lawnmower into a hedge trimmer. Of course lawnmowers could, at great expense, be designed so that keep idiots from cutting their hands but they would be so expensive that no one would buy them.

When you make modifications, you should be prepared that you may ruin your system.

In the case of support, if it's not a supported software configuration IE: linux on a Dell windows box, then I can see software support being unable/unwilling to help as it's an unsupported configuration and the user is on their own but if it is a supported configuration (sold that way) then there should be no reason for the support department to waffle about providing support although they may be incompentent at it.

The problem may not know exactly what you did or how it affects the device. They didn't and can't test every scenario. They can only support configurations that they know about.

Re:Right on Woz! (2, Informative)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 3 years ago | (#35767930)

No.

Woz is an engineer, not a manager.

Besides, the closed off mentality only came about during iOS. OSX is still very much open. Hell, the kernel is open sourced!

possibly (1)

William Robinson (875390) | more than 3 years ago | (#35767626)

Dear Steve,

Everything is forgotten. Come back and take charge of 'iPod killer' division.

Steve Ballmer

That would be interesting (2)

FudRucker (866063) | more than 3 years ago | (#35767646)

1. Steve jobs retires or dies from his poor health.

2. The woz takes over at apple, rebuilds the OS licensed as GNU/FOSS.

2. ???

3. Profit!!!

Re:That would be interesting (2)

tokul (682258) | more than 3 years ago | (#35767714)

1. Steve jobs retires or dies from his poor health.

Or he dies in car accident when his car accelerates uncontrollably for some unknown reason.

Re:That would be interesting (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35768038)

The car accelerated due to an unlicensed modification to the stereo system.

Re:That would be interesting (1)

AHuxley (892839) | more than 3 years ago | (#35767780)

3. Apple gets real TRIM for all supported SSD. (based on his past interest in the disc/storage areas)

Re:That would be interesting (1)

macs4all (973270) | more than 3 years ago | (#35767944)

3. Apple gets real TRIM for all supported SSD. (based on his past interest in the disc/storage areas)

I believe that is coming in OS X 10.7 (Lion), and if you're a bit handy (pun intended), you can enable it now in 10.6 [groths.org] (Snow Leopard).

apple needs to be open to more hardware choice (2)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 3 years ago | (#35767680)

apple needs to be open to more hardware choice.

What is so bad about makeing it easier to swap the HDD in the imac / mini?
What is so bad about desktop a system with imac power levels without a build in screen?

If apple does not want mini towers then lower the price of the base mac pro to $1500-$2000 or have a bigger mini system with a 7200RPM HDD at least (320GB-500GB) or SDD. Better video then on board video / intel video. AMD new on board video system in the cpu may be ok and desktop ram with 4gb at the base. Also have at least a desktop i5. NO i3 or i3 on board video.

But if apple where to have a mini tower have it with desktop i5 or i7, 2-4 HDD slots / bays, 4-6 ram slots (based on what chip set is used), pci-e X16 video slot + pci-e X16 slot (X4 speed) or TB port. Maybe have a higher system with room for dual video cards or just X16 + X16 (does not need to full X16 speed) + TB port.
and 1-2 ODD bays.

or just open OSX to non apple hardware.

Re:apple needs to be open to more hardware choice (1)

zlogic (892404) | more than 3 years ago | (#35767720)

What is so bad about makeing it easier to swap the HDD in the imac / mini?

Because Apple can earn a couple hundered bucks. And also charge more for the Apple-certified HDD.

What is so bad about desktop a system with imac power levels without a build in screen?

There is one, it's called Mac Mini.

If you want a tower, get a Mac Pro.

the mini is weak and under powered with on board (1)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 3 years ago | (#35767904)

the mini is weak and under powered with on board video that uses it's low base 2gb ram.

And if apples goes to the i3 cpu on board video it will be slower then todays mini. DID YOU READ what I posted?

Re:apple needs to be open to more hardware choice (2)

macs4all (973270) | more than 3 years ago | (#35767992)

If you want a tower, get a Mac Pro.

Ya know, I've been an Apple fan (not fanboi!) and owner since the Apple 1, and I'm with the GP on this one. I'd LOVE to have an affordable Mac mini-tower with a few PCIe slots (3 would probably do), that cost closer to the iMac than the Mac Pro.

However, having said that, I'm pretty sure that when Thunderbolt catches on, we'll all (well, not ALL, this IS /. afterall!) start thinking OUTSIDE of the box...

Thunderbolt can not replace video cards / cpu / ra (1)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 3 years ago | (#35768050)

Thunderbolt can not replace video cards / cpu / ram and it's bandwidth it like only pci-e x4.

So a mini with a weak cpu with low end on board video will make for a poor system and only 2gb base ram is to small at least 4gb is needed.

Thunder is good for EXT video IN, EXT HDD's and other stuff.

Re:Thunderbolt can not replace video cards / cpu / (1)

macs4all (973270) | more than 3 years ago | (#35768372)

Thunderbolt can not replace video cards / cpu / ram and it's bandwidth it like only pci-e x4.

So a mini with a weak cpu with low end on board video will make for a poor system and only 2gb base ram is to small at least 4gb is needed.

Thunder is good for EXT video IN, EXT HDD's and other stuff.

Stop thinking about the first-gen (CopperBolt, if you will) limitations.

While I agree that TB is not quite there yet for external video cards, there are a LOT of applications that could benefit from the technology right now, that would alleviate SOME of the need for a Mac Pro-class tower for SOME users. Actually, a LOT of users.

Re:apple needs to be open to more hardware choice (1)

superdude72 (322167) | more than 3 years ago | (#35767782)

The last time they licensed the operating system to non-Apple hardware it nearly killed the company.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macintosh_clone

I'd expect them to license the OS again approximately when hell freezes over.

As a tech support professional who supported a mixed environment of Mac clone desktops, Windows 95 desktops, and Sun Solaris servers in the mid-90s, however, I hope I'm wrong about this. That environment was a tech support full-employment act! We had four full time staffers doing tech support for an office of 30 employees! Good times.

Re:apple needs to be open to more hardware choice (1)

superdude72 (322167) | more than 3 years ago | (#35767866)

I should add, we assembled many of the desktop systems ourselves to save money. Woo-ee! What a tech support full-employment act!

Re:apple needs to be open to more hardware choice (1)

Registered Coward v2 (447531) | more than 3 years ago | (#35767956)

The last time they licensed the operating system to non-Apple hardware it nearly killed the company.

It probably would be worse this time around since Apple now essentially uses industry standard hardware. Clone makers could take advantage of the economies of scale to introduce less expensive, and possibly higher perfuming, machines. They probably would not have quit the build quality of Apple but could get close enough that Apple would find it hard to maintain any significant price premium. OS sales probably wouldn't make up for the lost revenue to maintain development of OSX at its current level; so licensing it would make even less sense today.

In addition, Apple has been big on developing a closed, tightly integrated eco system - clones would threaten this as design proliferate and Apple can't be sure of what hardware the OS is using; making it harder to maintain that "power on and it works" design mantra.

Finally, they've been wildly successful to date and companies generally don't change when they are on a roll. That doesn't mean they'll still be around in 10 years but it is hard to argue against success.

well apple can $100-$500 from there system price a (1)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 3 years ago | (#35768056)

well apple can $100-$500 from there system price and still have nice systems.
The mac pro should be $1500-$2000.

Re:well apple can $100-$500 from there system pric (1)

Registered Coward v2 (447531) | more than 3 years ago | (#35768204)

well apple can $100-$500 from there system price and still have nice systems. The mac pro should be $1500-$2000.

Why? They clearly sell well at the current prices, and if you assume all the price cuts came from margin Apple would need to increase sells dramatically (2x, 3x, 5x?) just to make the same profit at the reduced margin.

perfuming? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35768336)

"Clone makers could take advantage of the economies of scale to introduce less expensive, and possibly higher perfuming, machines."

Perfuming? Are you trying to imply something?

Re:apple needs to be open to more hardware choice (1)

macs4all (973270) | more than 3 years ago | (#35768014)

The last time they licensed the operating system to non-Apple hardware it nearly killed the company.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macintosh_clone

I'd expect them to license the OS again approximately when hell freezes over.

As a tech support professional who supported a mixed environment of Mac clone desktops, Windows 95 desktops, and Sun Solaris servers in the mid-90s, however, I hope I'm wrong about this. That environment was a tech support full-employment act! We had four full time staffers doing tech support for an office of 30 employees! Good times.

Boy, did YOU guys have the PHBs snowed!

And what percentage of your support was the Macs? And did you have any REAL Macs? What was the support percentage of THOSE machines?

Inquiring minds want to know...

Re:apple needs to be open to more hardware choice (4, Insightful)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 3 years ago | (#35768228)

apple needs to be open to more hardware choice.

There is an ongoing debate about the paradox of choice [wikipedia.org] . Apple has chosen less choice. It simplifies their product line for them. Remember Apple is selling to consumers in general and not specifically to geeks like you.

What is so bad about makeing it easier to swap the HDD in the imac / mini?
What is so bad about desktop a system with imac power levels without a build in screen?

The problem is you are only seeing from you, you, you. From Apple's perspective they have to compete in a very competitive market with Lenovo, Dell, HP, and others. They have distinguished themselves by picking which products and subsets of the market that will ensure they have customers. It's probably the reason they stopped making Xserves; they just wasn't enough market for them. Remember they have to employ engineers, support engineers, etc for every product. As a business they make product lines where they can have success and not ones where a small percentage like slashdot geeks care about.

If apple does not want mini towers then lower the price of the base mac pro to $1500-$2000 or have a bigger mini system with a 7200RPM HDD at least (320GB-500GB) or SDD. Better video then on board video / intel video. AMD new on board video system in the cpu may be ok and desktop ram with 4gb at the base. Also have at least a desktop i5. NO i3 or i3 on board video.

A Mac Pro is not a mini-tower desktop. It is a professional workstation. There's quite a difference between the two. A Mac Pro is designed for professionals to author photos, video, sound, graphics, etc. While you can write book reports in Word on them, that's not their intent. It's like asking why a heavy duty truck isn't good for transporting 6 people around. Different purposes, different designs.

But if apple where to have a mini tower have it with desktop i5 or i7, 2-4 HDD slots / bays, 4-6 ram slots (based on what chip set is used), pci-e X16 video slot + pci-e X16 slot (X4 speed) or TB port. Maybe have a higher system with room for dual video cards or just X16 + X16 (does not need to full X16 speed) + TB port. and 1-2 ODD bays.

Basically you've described a system that every computer manufacturer makes. Why should Apple compete in a crowded market where the margins are pretty thin just to make you happy.

Re:apple needs to be open to more hardware choice (1)

WCguru42 (1268530) | more than 3 years ago | (#35768388)

What is so bad about makeing it easier to swap the HDD in the imac / mini?

Get a NAS box [newegg.com] and call it a day.

counterpoint (1)

Hazel Bergeron (2015538) | more than 3 years ago | (#35767686)

1. Wozniak is a damn smart guy and knows what Jobs is about;

2. Wozniak also knew this when he worked for Jobs;

3. Wozniak continued and continues knowing this as his Apple wages/shares provide him a tidy sum.

It's easy to play the respected but impotent preacher. Especially useful when you are gain from what you preach against. Sorta like reading one of the tabloids go on a rant about exploitation of young girls and foreigners while the owner of the newspaper group publishes porn and employs lots of low wage immigrants.

It's great to control one side of the argument. It's better to control both.

Re:counterpoint (2)

macs4all (973270) | more than 3 years ago | (#35768052)

3. Wozniak continued and continues knowing this as his Apple wages/shares provide him a tidy sum.

I agree with your first two statements; but the one about the money is absurd.

Even when he worked full-time at Apple, he INSISTED that his salary be no more than one of their typical engineers.

His millions has come primarily from Apple stock, and some shrewd investments he has done over the years.

Too bad he didn't get that Gulfstream deal like Jobs, though; he would've gone for that one!

Apple is a marketing company (4, Insightful)

Trip6 (1184883) | more than 3 years ago | (#35767706)

Woz is a technical guy and is no longer needed there. Jobs only ever cared about the user experience and that's why Apple dominates.

Re:Apple is a marketing company (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35767778)

Hey, newsflash: _every_ company is a marketing company.

Re:Apple is a marketing company (-1, Troll)

Osgeld (1900440) | more than 3 years ago | (#35767788)

apple dominated, threw it away, disappeared for 30 years, and now makes consumer gadgets for over-privileged ypuuies, and while they might dominate that niche market, apple has been nothing but a smoke n mirrors producer who really should have died back in the 90's with every other walled garden propitiatory tech company

Re:Apple is a marketing company (2)

Jarik_Tentsu (1065748) | more than 3 years ago | (#35768060)

Where the fuck are you living?

Niche market? In the last 10 years Apple have seen their share price rise ~3200%, in the last quarter they were the 3rd biggest company in the world by market capitalization according to the FORBES 500 beaten only by ExxonMobil and PetroChina.

They brought science fiction style gadgets people dreamed of in the 90s to become the 'norm' to the point where you're almost expected to have an iPhone and an iPod. People are surprised when you don't have one. Apple entered a market that *was* niche to nerds and a few executives and made it 'cool' and mainstream, to the point where everyone got into it.

Re:Apple is a marketing company (0)

Osgeld (1900440) | more than 3 years ago | (#35768278)

where I live there is only 1 person I know that has a ipod, he says eh its ok but I wouldnt buy another

maybe that is because I live in reality

Odd man out (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35768412)

You have some odd friends, you're probably not mainstream yourself. iPhones are everywhere now.

The majority of people I see, private and business, now have either an iPhone or some Android device. Most people I meet now have iPhones (Scandinavia).

The iPod, iPhone and iPad prove you wrong in terms of Apple's worth and technology. What a foolish man you are, blinded by some outdated theory and hatred of a company.

Re:Apple is a marketing company (0)

macs4all (973270) | more than 3 years ago | (#35768172)

apple dominated, threw it away, disappeared for 30 years, and now makes consumer gadgets for over-privileged ypuuies, and while they might dominate that niche market, apple has been nothing but a smoke n mirrors producer who really should have died back in the 90's with every other walled garden propitiatory tech company

So, the Mac Pro is a "consumer gadget"?

Re:Apple is a marketing company (1)

Osgeld (1900440) | more than 3 years ago | (#35768274)

so your convinced that since a marketing team threw pro at the end of a name that it is not?

Re:Apple is a marketing company (2, Insightful)

macs4all (973270) | more than 3 years ago | (#35768408)

so your convinced that since a marketing team threw pro at the end of a name that it is not?

Are you really going to sit there and call THIS [apple.com] a "consumer gadget"?

You're retarded. Hand in your geek card and delete your slashdot account immediately.

Re:Apple is a marketing company (1)

DadLeopard (1290796) | more than 3 years ago | (#35767792)

I have to agree with everyone that thinks the Woz wouldn't be a good fit for the current "Apple Way", since the man that was so devoted to the "User Experience" turned into the "Big Brother" that he railed against at the start, and now has his Users doing the "Lock Step" in chains!

Re:Apple is a marketing company (1)

Registered Coward v2 (447531) | more than 3 years ago | (#35768022)

I have to agree with everyone that thinks the Woz wouldn't be a good fit for the current "Apple Way", since the man that was so devoted to the "User Experience" turned into the "Big Brother" that he railed against at the start, and now has his Users doing the "Lock Step" in chains!

Springtime for Apple and iOS

MacOS is happy and gay!

We're marching to one user interface

Look out, the iPhone is taking its place!

Springtime for Apple and iOS

The Valley's is our place once more!

Springtime for Apple and iOS

Watch out, Seattle

We're going for more!

Re:Apple is a marketing company (1)

Raenex (947668) | more than 3 years ago | (#35768078)

the man that was so devoted to the "User Experience" turned into the "Big Brother" that he railed against at the start, and now has his Users doing the "Lock Step" in chains!

Yes, but they're golden chains. Take the blue pill. You'll feel better.

Re:Apple is a marketing company (1)

macs4all (973270) | more than 3 years ago | (#35768200)

I have to agree with everyone that thinks the Woz wouldn't be a good fit for the current "Apple Way", since the man that was so devoted to the "User Experience" turned into the "Big Brother" that he railed against at the start, and now has his Users doing the "Lock Step" in chains!

As I said in a previous post, above: He would actually be an effective "cut the bullshit, Steve!" foil against Jobs' more "closed"-architecture tendencies.

Re:Apple is a marketing company (0)

FudRucker1 (2037616) | more than 3 years ago | (#35767936)

If they were a bit more open, they would have much more customers. It was proved many times [tinyurl.com]

Re:Apple is a marketing company (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35768114)

Don't click the link! Goatse wannabe.

Re:Apple is a marketing company (3, Interesting)

macs4all (973270) | more than 3 years ago | (#35768166)

Woz is a technical guy and is no longer needed there.

Your statement makes it sound like all he can do is design circuitry and code.

Although he is a brilliant designer/developer, his return would also breathe new life into the company's other engineers, and would, quite frankly, make the stock market a little less jittery about "what will happen to Apple" in Jobs' absence.

I think he should return in his prior role as "Apple Fellow", and do what he does best at this point: Spread good will, and provide a "You can't fire me!" foil to some of Jobs' more "form over function" product design decisions. For example, there is NO WAY the iOS devices would have escaped from the R&D lab without an SD slot and mini USB connector, and without stereo Bluetooth headset support. I'm speculating about the USB and SD slot stuff; but Woz has even personally bitched about the BT lack-of-stereo support thing to me a couple of years ago in an email.

I have only about 6 months' less experience with Apple products than the Steves do, and I'm quite sure that Apple would benefit greatly from his engineering expertise, creative insight, and especially his attitude and ambassadorship.

Re:Apple is a marketing company (2)

Trip6 (1184883) | more than 3 years ago | (#35768308)

Woz has even personally bitched about the BT lack-of-stereo support thing to me a couple of years ago in an email.

Woz bitched to you over email about the lack of a specific feature? Brush with greatness!!!!!!

Re:Apple is a marketing company (3, Interesting)

Kjella (173770) | more than 3 years ago | (#35768236)

That is why Apple dominates now, but it's not why it dominated then. I remember watching a documentary about the early Apples and Woz was a genius at reducing hardware cost to bring them down to budgets people could afford. He took what would normally cost thousands and cut chips and optimized software to make it cost hundreds. He was by far more essential to Apple then than Jobs' ideas of the user experience.

Today, that's simply not one of Apple's strengths - it probably hasn't been one since sometime in the 80s. There's plenty companies that can match Apple on producing an equivalent hardware platform. In fact, many have been technologically superior to Apple, they just haven't been nice to use. It's not the CPU or GPU or touchscreen or whatever that makes the iPhone/iPad a success and the Macs have gone native with the same Intel processors as most PCs. There's nothing on the technical side that will make or break Apple. I'm sure Woz could do a good job there at something, but he'd never be a very important man.

Bring back Jean-Louis Gassee! (1)

Vinegar Joe (998110) | more than 3 years ago | (#35767708)

He's a lot cooler than Woz.

Re:Bring back Jean-Louis Gassee! (1)

macs4all (973270) | more than 3 years ago | (#35768182)

He's a lot cooler than Woz.

Yeah; but he blew it when he went postal about BeOS.

monster beats (-1, Offtopic)

beats headphone (2037600) | more than 3 years ago | (#35767760)

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Why... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35767816)

...would they want the guy that actually did something, instead of the "idea guy"? Come on!

woz, torvalds, stallman, native americans panel (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35767826)

to help (along with other previously unchosen citizen taxpayers, mommys etc..) review why we're in such fatal disarray & seemingly on some never ending, constantly needing to be unproven 'mission', to improve other countries' political systems/prosperities, whilst protecting us from invisible 'enemies', who the endless 'hunt' for, has resulted in 10's of 1000's of unproven deaths of completely innocent formerly provable people, & a population who is scared of... their maniacal uncle sam? inbreeding? religon? the math sucks. what?

thanks for you guys getting invited to help with all this (think this is whack, wait'll the hymen hearings begin?), & all the other completely unselfish stuff you are continually doing.

Slashdot only allows anonymous users to post 10 times per day (more or less, depending on moderation). A user from your IP has already shared his or her thoughts with us that many times. which is 500

Uhh... (1)

JMJimmy (2036122) | more than 3 years ago | (#35767850)

Honestly, who cares! Apple has horrid business practices and poor quality products for the price. Who cares who eventually runs them into the ground?

Re:Uhh... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35768138)

ROFL. Nearly every Apple product in the last 5 years (excluding the 2009 stick-of-gum iPod shuffle) was considered top of class in their respective categories. No one can make a tablet as cheap, the iPod dominates entirely because it's better, and not even super-cheap Dell could match the iMac screen/CPU combo for the same price AT ALL. They weren't even close in price.

Anyone who hates Apple out of principle are morons (insert any company name there really). If you don't like the product because it doesn't meet your needs, fine. But don't sling useless FUD because your antivirus is begging for a badly needed renewal.

Re:Uhh... (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#35768226)

I'm hoping for Darl McBride, I think that should be good for a few LULZ as all the Apple fanbois stroke off.

If apple decides to open up their devices.. (-1, Troll)

nanotux (2037608) | more than 3 years ago | (#35767852)

If they open the device, I am their fanboy instantly. They do make great hardware and software but the locks they impose aren't humane. And their app policy? Just frustration... I did some development [tinyurl.com] for iPhone. Will never do that again.... unless they open things up

Woz Jobs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35767914)

What a non-story. Woz is an old engineer who never held a position anywhere close to what Jobs has held and exceeded at. While I don't like the policies of Apple they are successful in their own way due to Steve Jobs. Woz was just the right guy, in the right place, at the right time with the right partner... Steve Jobs.

I think Woz has no agenda here. He's a simple guy who pretty much says what he thinks. Heck, he has FU $$$ and can do it.

But would he bring back the Apple 2? (1)

mark-t (151149) | more than 3 years ago | (#35768128)

Granted... it would have to be seriously updated to be a viable computing platform in today's market... to the point that it would effectively be an entirely new machine... but I dunno... there's something about the idea of Woz going back to Apple that makes me wax nostalgic... there was a time back when Wozniak was last working with Apple where they were saying "Apple 2 forever". I can't help but think it'd be kinda neat to see that name come back.

How bad was his accident? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35768142)

I know Woz had an aircraft accident that resulted in brain damage. I have only ever found interviews and videos of him AFTER that accident. Does anyone know what he was like BEFORE the accident and how big a change in personality/problem solving he experienced?

Google! (1)

Randwulf (997659) | more than 3 years ago | (#35768366)

I'd rather see him get hired by Google, given some resources, staff, and autonomy, and see what he makes of it.
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