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Toyota Yields To Apple Over Jailbroken Phones

Roblimo posted more than 3 years ago | from the typo-in-the-headline-is-embarassing dept.

Iphone 134

zakkie writes "Toyota has caved to pressure from Apple and pulled custom themes for jailbroken iPhones. According to ModMyi.com founder Kyle Matthews, a representative of Toyota's ad agency said that Toyota gave in to Apple's request in order to 'maintain their good relationship with Apple', and amounted to a direct attack by Apple on jailbroken iPhones."

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I hate Apple (-1, Troll)

ppptp (2037682) | more than 3 years ago | (#35768706)

And no I am not a zealot. I own an iPhone and I hate jailbraking it. It actually is harder and harder [tinyurl.com]

Re:I hate Apple (1)

linux_geek_germany (1079711) | more than 3 years ago | (#35768718)

nice goatse. i like...

Re:I hate Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35768730)

Parent is Goatse.

Re:I hate Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35768738)

i WAS eating lunch you ass!

Re:I hate Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35768748)

Asshole...

Ginormous asshole, in fact.

Could someone explain this? (2, Interesting)

Compaqt (1758360) | more than 3 years ago | (#35768788)

As a non-denizen of Steve J's reality distortion field, I have to ask:

Is the control freakiness so great that you cannot even install custom themes on your own iPhone?

You have to jailbreak the phone in order to install a custom theme?

By the way, has anyone been able to get OpenMoko [openmoko.com] to run on an iPhone, Android (like HTC or whatever), or a Palm Pre?

Re:Could someone explain this? (1, Troll)

davester666 (731373) | more than 3 years ago | (#35768856)

Other than "I was bored, so I did it", why would you bother with OpenMoko on say, an Android phone?

If you can jailbreak your phone [which has to be done to most Android phones, just like Apple] to install another OS, why not just install Android, which is years more advanced than OpenMoko, and is actively being worked on and probably has 5 or 6 orders of magnitude more apps and even developer tools for it [vs OpenMoko]?

If you get stuck on something, you are more likely to be able to get some help from someone else, your work, if you make it available, is more likely to be looked at and/or used by others.

To me, OpenMoko is Android, only without a large company developing and marketing it, and without any significant industry support for it.

Re:Could someone explain this? (0)

linux_geek_france (2037684) | more than 3 years ago | (#35768910)

Because android is half-assed broken fork of Linux. You can't compile anything linux based on it unless you work day and night for a week for each program... Its userspace totally sucks..

Re:Could someone explain this? (1)

Simon80 (874052) | more than 3 years ago | (#35769276)

Perhaps you should check out the Pandora [openpandora.org] project. There have been concerns about it being vaporware in the past, but they've been producing about 250 per week for the last two months, and I don't know of any other pocket-sized device with openly developed first-party firmware that is still around (please reply with examples that contradict this, I would appreciate them). For $500 you can order one that would be shipped to you 7 days after you order, and you'd have an easier time compiling Linux-based software on that than an Android phone.

Re:Could someone explain this? (1)

Compaqt (1758360) | more than 3 years ago | (#35768974)

Oh, you mean stock Android?

Is that available in a format which would be suitable for installing?

I've heard some stuff about Google holding back on certain of their changes to the kernel.

And is the UI stuff that runs atop the kernel also open source?

Re:Could someone explain this? (2, Interesting)

GNUALMAFUERTE (697061) | more than 3 years ago | (#35769000)

Because Android is not GNU/Linux. It's just a broken Linux kernel filled with privative drivers and blobs, with an absolutely awful userspace, and the worst pile of steaming shit on top: Java.

Re:Could someone explain this? (1)

CharlyFoxtrot (1607527) | more than 3 years ago | (#35769304)

But it's totally open*

(*) when and if Google says so, but they might give you "early access" if you're extra nice to them.

Re:Could someone explain this? (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 3 years ago | (#35771774)

Make sure to remind that next time someone counts Android in the next "Year of Linux on everything but desktop" story.

Re:Could someone explain this? (2)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 3 years ago | (#35769076)

Maybe Apple is trying to avoid something like this [tumblr.com]

Good FUCKING Grief. (1, Interesting)

Frosty Piss (770223) | more than 3 years ago | (#35769114)

Good grief! If you can't stand the Apple Walled Garden, don't sweat it, don't even THINK about it. MOVE ON to a platform that has the politics you like. Android? But CHRIST, is there anything more POINTLESS than Apple Hand-ringing?

Re:Good FUCKING Grief. (1)

zugmeister (1050414) | more than 3 years ago | (#35769180)

Yes. Hand wringing would not even serve the purpose of damaging your hands, therefore could be considered more pointless.

Re:Good FUCKING Grief. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35769400)

You're a 'tard. As in REtard. As in JACKass. As in LOSEr.

Jailbreaking to install a Toyota/Scion theme (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35769202)

... is there anything more POINTLESS than Apple Hand-ringing?

Jailbreaking an iPhone to install a Toyota/Scion theme?

Re:Jailbreaking to install a Toyota/Scion theme (1)

Frosty Piss (770223) | more than 3 years ago | (#35769530)

Yes. OK, yes.

Re:Good FUCKING Grief. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35769296)

Good grief! If you can't stand the Apple Walled Garden, don't sweat it, don't even THINK about it. MOVE ON to a platform that has the politics you like.

But, Frosty.. slippery slope and such!

Right now it's Apple telling Toyota they shouldn't release customizations for jailbroken iPhones and should instead go through the App Market with all the red tape that goes with it.

Tomorrow (of the proverbial kind) they'll be telling Toyota that they shouldn't release customizations for Android-based phones either. In the interest of maintaining their good relationship with Apple, see.

Day after tomorrow they'll be telling Toyota that all of their releases should be iPhone-exclusives. In the interest of maintaining their good relationship with Apple, see.

Already we've seen the whole subscription debacle where at first the suggestion was that you couldn't just link to your own website in order to let people purchase a subscription, but now Apple says that if you sell any subscriptions at all, even if you never refer to it in your app, you must also sell the subscription through app and thus the App Store and thus the whole 30% to Apple = 40% increase across the board whether you use an iProduct or not and bla bla bla.

Fact of the matter is that Apple's influence reaches -beyond- their own platform, so I can 'move on' to non-Apple all I want, I'd still get hit by the (side-)effects of Apple's policies.

Re:Could someone explain this? (3, Interesting)

qubezz (520511) | more than 3 years ago | (#35769634)

You have to jailbreak the phone in order to install a custom theme?

The Scion theme [macenstein.com] not only changes colors and wallpaper, but also has different icons. User-created themes could potentially extend their changes to a very different UI experience. This could complicate customer support for Apple 'geniuses' and phone support, as customers can no longer be walked through a consistent menu chain.

The other explanation is that nothing goes on an iPhone without Apple getting a cut of the profits. This would challenge the business model of a future iTunes theme store (remember, Apple is the company that would sell music you already purchased back to you [sprintusers.com] as a ring tone)

Wrong! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35768714)

...amounted to a direct attack by Apple on jailbroken iPhones.

I think they need to rethink the difference between an indirect and a direct attack. In a direct attack, they would do something to the phones or the users. Duh...

jobs and woz got their start doing blueboxes (1, Insightful)

decora (1710862) | more than 3 years ago | (#35768724)

now jobs tries to fucking put kids in jail for doing the same thing.

all you hackers out there should remember. this is what 'business success' means, this is your future in corporate america. putting a younger version of you in prison (or tortured to the point of suicide, like in China).

Re:jobs and woz got their start doing blueboxes (4, Insightful)

$RANDOMLUSER (804576) | more than 3 years ago | (#35768874)

While it IS an interesting point that Jobs & Wozniak got their start making/using blueboxes (which was sort of similar to jailbreaking Ma Bell - except it really WAS out-and-out theft), it's a step too far to say that Apple is trying to jail (or even more ludicrously, torture) people trying to jailbreak their phones. Suffice it to say that the Apple walled garden has concertina wire on top (which we all knew already) and leave it at that.

Re:jobs and woz got their start doing blueboxes (3, Insightful)

kimvette (919543) | more than 3 years ago | (#35768970)

Apple on their way to making Jobs rich: took blueboxing mainstream, promoting easy theft of services.

Apple now that Jobs is fabulously wealthy: stealing right of first sale from their own customers and discouraging customers from taking back functionality of their legally-owned product.

Re:jobs and woz got their start doing blueboxes (3, Informative)

$RANDOMLUSER (804576) | more than 3 years ago | (#35769040)

It was the Equire article that took blueboxing mainstream, I remember reading it when it came out, and there had been no public hint of the blueboxing underground before that. Made Captain Crunch a cult hero overnight.

Re:jobs and woz got their start doing blueboxes (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35769174)

Read, at the EFF site, all the docs about Apple trying to get the Library of Congress to not allow jailbreaking. They wanted the full force of law brought down on those who jail broke. That includes prison time.

Re:jobs and woz got their start doing blueboxes (1)

toriver (11308) | more than 3 years ago | (#35770234)

They wanted to use the DMCA to stop jailbreaking and the Library of Congress said that was not an option. But that holds for anyone that tries to misapply copyright law. That list is looong.

Re:jobs and woz got their start doing blueboxes (2)

Penguinoflight (517245) | more than 3 years ago | (#35771682)

I'd agree that blueboxes are a step above jailbreaking in that you are actually using infrastructure instead of just your own device; I wouldn't call it theft in the case of "Ma Bell" though. The infrastructure was paid for by the people, should they not be allowed to use it without paying a corporation with no investment again?

Re:jobs and woz got their start doing blueboxes (2, Insightful)

Shadowmist (57488) | more than 3 years ago | (#35768948)

Apple isn't putting anyone in jail. What they did...and did rightly was to tell Toyota to stop encouraging people to jailbreak thier phones and violating thier terms of use. And quite frankly since hackers in Russia are busy trying to squelch Livejournal to squelch out one of the few unified areas of actual free public discussion and dissent, I've long put aside any myths regarding hackers as misunderstood champions of freedom.

Re:jobs and woz got their start doing blueboxes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35769014)

Wasn't jail-breaking deemed legal? It's not like you're installing a cracked app or unlicensed theme.

Anyway, I'm sure Toyota wouldn't mind talking to you [toyota.com] about it (if you're into social media).

Can't interfere with other people's contracts ... (1)

perpenso (1613749) | more than 3 years ago | (#35769172)

Wasn't jail-breaking deemed legal?

Perhaps for the owner of the phone and with respect to copyright, patents, interoperability, etc.

However having a third party such as Toyota encourage someone to violate a contract with Apple is something entirely different. Interfering with a contract between others is something that is against the law in and of itself IIRC.

Re:Can't interfere with other people's contracts . (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35769378)

What makes you think it's illegal to "interfere with a contract between others"? That's how business runs! Let's say you have a contract to buy 10,000 widgets from me for $100 each, and some bozo comes along and offers them to you for $2 each. He's sure as hell encouraging you to hire a lawyer to find a way to weasel out of the contract with me. Are you saying that's it's illegal for that bozo to undercut me? Why would you even make something like this up?

YANAL. Don't pretend to be one.

Re:Can't interfere with other people's contracts . (2)

perpenso (1613749) | more than 3 years ago | (#35769734)

What makes you think it's illegal to "interfere with a contract between others"? ...

My Business Law textbook.

... That's how business runs! Let's say you have a contract to buy 10,000 widgets from me for $100 each, and some bozo comes along and offers them to you for $2 each. He's sure as hell encouraging you to hire a lawyer to find a way to weasel out of the contract with me. Are you saying that's it's illegal for that bozo to undercut me? Why would you even make something like this up? ...

"Competition is the essence of business. Successful corporation compete aggressively, and the law permits and expects them to. But there are times when healthy competition becomes illegal interference. This is called tortious interference with business relations. It can take one of two closely related forms - interference with a contract or interference with a prospective advantage."
Business Law, Samuelson and Beatty, Thompson Higher Education, 2007, p.143

"There is nothing wrong with two companies bidding against each other to buy a parcel of land, and nothing wrong with one corporation doing everything possible to convince the seller to ignore all competitors. But once a company has signed a contract to buy the land, it is improper to induce the seller to break the deal."
ibid, p. 144.

.. YANAL. Don't pretend to be one.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

Incidentally the reason we non-lawyers take a class in business law is so that we are aware of things like "interference with a contract" and try to avoid getting our own ass sued. Also to know enough to sign purchasing agreements that can be terminated at any time so that we are not locked into one deal should a better deal come along.

Re:jobs and woz got their start doing blueboxes (2)

Samantha Wright (1324923) | more than 3 years ago | (#35770086)

I think then perhaps you should stop using "hacker" as a blanket term and accept that many people mean different things by it. Obviously, lifehacker.com doesn't use the word the same way foxnews.com does. Just mentally replace it with "technically-capable and imaginative person with a disinterest in authoritarianism" and your problems will go away.

LEGAL !!111 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35770164)

Oh please... "Rightly"? Violating a terms of use isn't against the freakin' law. Jailbreaking is... *drum roll* LEGAL. Let me repeat.... LEGAL LEGAL LEGAL LEGAL...

In case you missed that... LEGAL. Which means you are FREE to do it. And who are the jailbreak developpers? Why, that'd be HACKERS doing things LEGALLY and are FREE to do yourself. Did I mention HACKER, FREE... and um, LEGAL.

So unbunch your fanboy panties and get back to work designing the iPhone 5 case. Thousands of minimalist design students have to have a subject for their midterm papers in the fall.

Re:jobs and woz got their start doing blueboxes (1)

TyFoN (12980) | more than 3 years ago | (#35772234)

Meanwhile I'm running Cyanogenmod with no restrictions on my DHD.

Re:jobs and woz got their start doing blueboxes (2, Interesting)

perpenso (1613749) | more than 3 years ago | (#35769132)

jobs and woz got their start doing blueboxes ... now jobs tries to fucking put kids in jail for doing the same thing.

Jobs is just trying to recreate the conditions that his generation's hackers evolved in. There has to be some risk involved. If there were no risk then jailbreaking is about as much of a hack as putting LEDs in a tower case and installing a transparent side panel.

Then again, given how wild of an exaggeration your "put kids in jail" comment is jailbreaking does seems closer to case mod 'ing than bluebox'ing. The actual risk to some "kid" jailbreaking his phone is more like having to explain to dad/mom that he bricked his phone. :-)

In Toyota's office... (-1, Troll)

gnasher719 (869701) | more than 3 years ago | (#35768742)

Manager A: "We got a letter from Apple. They ask is if we could stop distributing our custom themes for jailbroken iPhones".
Manager B: "What is a jailbroken iPhone?"
Manager A: Explains...
Manager B: "And what is a custom theme for a jailbroken iPhone?"
Manager A: Explains...
Manager B: And why do we make this custom theme for a jailbroken iPhone?
Manager A: Dunno.
Manager B: And what did it cost us to make it?
Manager A: Dunno.
Manager B: And how exactly do we benefit from this?
Manager A: Dunno
Manager B: So what I want to know is: Who signed off on this nonsense and how can we stop it right now?

Re:In Toyota's office... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35768772)

-1 Lame

Re:In Toyota's office... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35768780)

+1 LOL

FTFY (4, Insightful)

pavon (30274) | more than 3 years ago | (#35768786)

Manager B: And why do we make this custom theme for a jailbroken iPhone?
Manager A: To promote our Scion line of cars which embrace the idea of user customization.
Manager B: And what did it cost us to make it?
Manager A: Less than producing a single magazine ad.
Manager B: And how exactly do we benefit from this?
Manager A: Market research has shown that the demographic who is interested in jailbreaking their iPhone are prime advertising targets for the Scion as they share similar interests.
Manager B: So what I want to know is: Who signed off on this nonsense and how can we stop it right now?
Manager A: You did. You're call on whether it's worth fighting with Apple over.

Re:FTFY (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35768838)

You're call...

Awww... you were doing so well.

Re:In Toyota's office... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35768820)

They don't even have employee's who could use these phones. Only contractors who don't have corporate phones would even have an Iphone, let alone a jailbroken one.

They are still in 1995 and swear up and down they're modern by pulling stupid shit like this. Congratulations Toyota you have demonstrated your complete lack of understanding of the youth market yet again.

Re:In Toyota's office... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35769072)

Congratulations Toyota you have demonstrated your complete lack of understanding of the youth market yet again.

Really? If Apple didn't react how many people would know about another pointless theme and would we be talking about it now? There are many authorized car branded themes right now but my guess is only the enthusiasts care. I say bravo to Toyota's marketing folks for exploiting an expected knee-jerk reaction.

Sorry for the AC but I already burned some mod points.

Re:In Toyota's office... (1)

shentino (1139071) | more than 3 years ago | (#35768886)

Simple.

If Toyota doesn't play ball Apple's way, Apple throws a tantrum and kicks Toyota out of its walled garden.

Re:In Toyota's office... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35770314)

Yes, because Toyota has SO much to lose... Wait, they make cars, not apps. And they make a LOT of cars.. a HELL of a lot more cars than Apple makes phones. Apple has more to lose if Toyota started putting Android and Pandora in their radios. Toyota can do whatever they want. They could give a shit about the walled garden.

Re:In Toyota's office... (5, Insightful)

kimvette (919543) | more than 3 years ago | (#35769032)

Let us not forget that Toyota has become pretty hostile to real hot rodders and today's TRD products are a complete joke. Gone are the days of actively supporting the hot rodding and motorcrossing community with real performance parts for hot cars like the MR-2 (mechanicallt supercharged and later turbocharged) and Supra (Sequential twin turbocharged) sportscars.

Their idea of modding today is to sell body cladding and spoilers, and TRD decals. They have wholly embraced the ricer market segment, and actively discourage people from making real performance improvements. Should it really surprise anyone that Toyota would respect Apple's egomaniacal control over already-purchased iPhones?

I own my iPhones. Even if I dump AT&T today, I will maintain ownership of my iPhones. I am not renting nor leasing them, nor are they a work for hire under contract. They are commodity goods sold off the shelf, so therefore the first sale doctrine applies - along with bypassing DRM for the purpose of interoperability. Courts have upheld jailbreaking as a legal activity so why is Apple still fighting it? I am a jailbreaker, and yet I still buy apps from the app store, and even occasionally buy tracks through iTunes rather than dig out certain CDs to re-rip them.

Why do I jailbreak? So I can tweak the GUI. So I can run SBSettings, and so I can ssh to my iPhone and custom-build nagios so I can control servers from anywhere - and ssh into a box on the road when absolutely required. I don't use it for anything nefarious like "stealing"[sic] software or anything like that. So I can tweak settings a lot more than the default settings applet allows. So I can turn off phone or data separately with ease, and so I can have individual apps override screen brightness for individual apps rather than a single global setting Apple seems to think should apply to everyone for all situations - oh, and so I can disable rotation support quickly (for TomTom GPS for example - legally purchased through the app store well after I jailbroke my phone, by the way!) rather than distracting myself drilling down through a bunch of menus to disable it while driving.

Why jailbreak?? is that even a question? (4, Insightful)

E IS mC(Square) (721736) | more than 3 years ago | (#35769230)

>> Why do I jailbreak?

I don't have to justify it. It's simple. Because I refuse to be anybody's bitch. I own the fucking device. Steve Jobs, Apple, appholes can go fuck themselves.

Re:Why jailbreak?? is that even a question? (1)

Adam Appel (1991764) | more than 3 years ago | (#35769642)

You're right no justification needed; but please, you are someones bitch. WE ALL ARE. "I have six different bosses right now Bob" It's been that way since the first extended family of primates got together. Either you are the baddest mofo of the group or someone's the boss of you. Or easier to do: as IceT once said your either a pimp or a ho. The long game - Consider not paying for cell service at all if you don't want to be anyones bitch; take it all the way to living in a van with your own bio fuel. Wait you can take it further, live in the woods, squatting on public land in, gosh, the Amazon, somewhere you won't be noticed. Short game? - Have an ipod touch with a voip app and hop around from free hotspot to hotspot using IP spoofers and the rest of the needed toolbox.

Re:Why jailbreak?? is that even a question? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35769976)

Wait, so you paid for an iPhone, for which Apple does not officially allow jailbreaking, but you are not "their bitch"? Would you be "their bitch" if you didn't jailbreak your phone, then? What if one of their updates finally succeeds in preventing you from jailbreaking their phone and making full use of it? (I know they're not really trying right now, but that could change.)

Re:Why jailbreak?? is that even a question? (2)

toriver (11308) | more than 3 years ago | (#35770310)

Yeah, the assholes that researched, constructed, manufactured and shipped the device you for some strange reason chose to buy over a device using the far more open competition... Seriously, why did you buy it if you hate the entire concept it is built around?

You do own the hardware, and can do whatever you want with it. Software is a different issue. Do not expect the manufacturer to make it easy for you to use it in any other way than with the supplied operating system. Nor do you own the telephone service, so if AT&T (or whatever other carrier) suddenly should decide to block jailbroken iPhones from their networks you have an expensive iPod Touch with an extra radio.

Re:In Toyota's office... (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35769266)

You don't need to jailbreak for SSH. There's an app for that.

Re:In Toyota's office... (1)

CharlyFoxtrot (1607527) | more than 3 years ago | (#35769404)

I like my iDevices but I really wish Apple would provide an easy and legal way to jailbreak, maybe charge $50 to have people walk into an Apple store and do the jailbreak. After all I can buy an unlocked iPhone for more money, I should be able to buy one that's completely unrestricted too. Maybe we should ALL buy iPhones, then complain to the EU about Apple's monopolistic iPhone policy ;-)

That said, do we need another story like this on Slashdot ? You know it's just some marketeer counting on the Streisand effect.

Re:In Toyota's office... (2)

toriver (11308) | more than 3 years ago | (#35770316)

Why would they provide that? It is not even remotely in Apple's interest, or those of its carrier partners, to make it easy to jailbreak an iPhone.

Re:In Toyota's office... (1)

CharlyFoxtrot (1607527) | more than 3 years ago | (#35770448)

A man can dream, can't he ? Well maybe it will be in their interest one day when a competitor catches up with them.

Re:In Toyota's office... (1)

snookums (48954) | more than 3 years ago | (#35770648)

I own my iPhones. Even if I dump AT&T today, I will maintain ownership of my iPhones. I am not renting nor leasing them, nor are they a work for hire under contract. They are commodity goods sold off the shelf, so therefore the first sale doctrine applies - along with bypassing DRM for the purpose of interoperability. Courts have upheld jailbreaking as a legal activity so why is Apple still fighting it? I am a jailbreaker, and yet I still buy apps from the app store, and even occasionally buy tracks through iTunes rather than dig out certain CDs to re-rip them.

Sure you own the phone, but you don't own the software. You have a license for to use iOS on the device, so long as you abide by certain conditions (i.e. no jailbreaking). So you're completely free to jailbreak and install Android on your iPhone, but not to continue running iOS and using the App Store. You might not like it, but the legal concepts behind software licensing have held up pretty well in the courts so far.

In Steve's office... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35769208)

gnasher719:Steve, let me suck your balls.
Steve Jobs: Go fuck yourself.
gnasher719:Steve, let me suck your balls, please.
Steve Jobs: Go fuck yourself.
gnasher719:Steve, let me suck your dick, please.
Steve Jobs: Go fuck yourself.
gnasher719:Steve, let me suck your dick, then I will let you pound my ass.
Steve Jobs: Sweet! Get down on your knees, you bitch!

They a not the first to do that (-1, Troll)

linux_geek_france (2037684) | more than 3 years ago | (#35768768)

One worker was fired [freeblogspot.org] from his company for having a jailbroken iPhone. And no, that was his own private phone and it has no company info...

Link is goatse! (1)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 3 years ago | (#35768778)

Link is goatse!

Re:Link is goatse! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35768810)

Urgh...dammit, am I the only one thinking the goatse trolls are getting worse lately than they have been in the past five years? Are they gaming the mod system or something?

Re:Link is goatse! (1)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 3 years ago | (#35768836)

The guy has added several new accounts so far today. He uses 'data' tags in tinyurl links and also that freeblogspot link.

Re:Link is goatse! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35768824)

No, Link is an attractive young elf boy who spends his days rescuing princesses and saving Hyrule.

This being a lame (0)

NEDHead (1651195) | more than 3 years ago | (#35768808)

posting anyway, I wonder if the recent commenter who was looking for a man who cooks is still looking? Not about me, in case you were wondering, but I can give a link if you are interested.

Apple, U So Funny.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35768816)

I love how Apple will potentially burn a bridge over something that means less than 0% of anything on their total sales or value of their products. I know I'm sure going to miss those Toyota themes on my iPhone. Oh, wait, no I won't.

Non-free market (3, Insightful)

Omnifarious (11933) | more than 3 years ago | (#35769034)

Yet another example of how the idea of a 'free' market is an illusion with the way things currently work. I wonder how far a suit for tortious interference [wikipedia.org] by all the users of jail-broken iPhones would get? Probably not very far, or perhaps they would get coupons to the Apple App store.

Re:Non-free market (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35769216)

Yet another example of how the idea of a 'free' market is an illusion with the way things currently work.

An immediate and fleeting thought when I read that was “bullsht” quickly followed by another that said “aah, right” when I realized you were referring to the reluctance of free market proponents to consider inter-corporate bullying or conspiracy to the detriment of the consumer.

But I’ll still take a free market, warts and all, over a planned economy any day; that includes health care and retirement. I hope the exceptions will remain minimal and necessary, like government operated — or, at least funded — primary education.

Re:Non-free market (1)

zigmeister (1281432) | more than 3 years ago | (#35770064)

Right, because you HAVE to buy an iPhone and a toyota or hell a car and a cell phone for that matter. I know successful well to-do people with neither.

Re:Non-free market (1)

Omnifarious (11933) | more than 3 years ago | (#35770286)

*looks at you funny* Are you sure you scored well enough on reading comprehension to be able to qualify as literate?

It's a non-free market because basically Apple is able to throw their weight around and prevent another company from offering a perfectly valid and legal product. I have no desire for that product, but the world is a less interesting place overall because it's gone. There may be people who did want it.

You have to jailbreak an iPhone... (4, Funny)

s.whiplash (1810776) | more than 3 years ago | (#35769134)

You have to jailbreak an iPhone to put a custom theme on it? That seems pretty restrictive. Seems like a basic customization that you should be able to do on any smartphone.

Re:You have to jailbreak an iPhone... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35769256)

You have to jailbreak an iPhone to put a custom theme on it? That seems pretty restrictive. Seems like a basic customization that you should be able to do on any smartphone.

But then it wouldn't look the way Steve Jobs intended it to look. You should be grateful Steve lets you install apps (as long as he gets a cut of the money).

Re:You have to jailbreak an iPhone... (3, Interesting)

porl (932021) | more than 3 years ago | (#35771718)

You should be grateful Steve lets you install apps

not many people seem to remember that they originally didn't want you to do that. it was *after* the jailbroken phones started to become more popular with their ability to install 'custom' apps that apple opened it up.

Re:You have to jailbreak an iPhone... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35769272)

Welcome back! How was the rock you've been living under for the past three years?

This is what Apple do now.

Re:You have to jailbreak an iPhone... (1)

pla (258480) | more than 3 years ago | (#35771792)

Seems like a basic customization that you should be able to do on any smartphone.

Smartphone? Hell, my 10+ year old Nokia piece-of-crap had custom skins the user could select.

Or more to the point - Don't buy a phone that won't let you skin it, won't let you tether it, won't even let you make calls ya left-handed bastards... Just get an Android (Like the majority of non-Apple fanboys - can ya smell the coffee, Steve?).

Re:You have to jailbreak an iPhone... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35772232)

Can someone explain why this is modded Funny?

As a long time apple fan..... (4, Interesting)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 3 years ago | (#35769224)

I'm beginning to lose faith and have actually started considering an Android phone ( but to find something that is comparable that isn't locked down as bad by the carrier. )

I still have every aple device i ever owned, from my first apple ][, and I'm really getting tired of this. Its my "box", let me use it as i want. If you don't want to support/warrant me, fine..

I'm also worried about the long term future of the computer side of things, if it will end up in a similar locked down state.

Re:As a long time apple fan..... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35769372)

They do have a legit reason to lock it down as it's first and primary job is to act as a phone. Both AT&T and Apple tech support HAVE to support these devices when things stop working on them. For a smart user who knows what they are doing it's harmless to jailbreak, but for every intelligent jailbreaker, there are probably 1,000 others that are complete idiots that would install some sort of firewall or other app and adjust settings to the point where they fuck something up so bad it can't make phone calls anymore, and then they blame AT&T or Apple. When it comes to a cell phone it really has to be idiot proof, and the only way to ensure that is to approve the apps you can put on it.

As an original Iphone and a 3gs owner I jailbroke both of them, and then switched to Android simply because I hate having to use Itunes for everything. The android, however it also restrictive about what you can do on it, and many of the really good apps require rooting, which is basically the same as jailbreaking. So whether you have Iphone or Android, it still requires you to Jailbreak.

Re:As a long time apple fan..... (1)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 3 years ago | (#35769860)

No, they don't *have* to support it. Technically you broke the contract/warranty so they could easily add it to the EULA that they can simply say you are out of support and charge you full price for the phone since you 'damaged it' then cancel your contract on the spot. OR charge you a sizable fee to 'unbreak' it at one of their stores. ( reload/restore/etc )

And yes i do realize that the carriers want to/will lock them down, regardless of what OS, for a number of 'network protection' reasons. However it seems at least the manufactures of android phones are a bit more friendly than Apple at this point for those of us who do want to fully utilize their device, and did not get it to use as a phone as its primary function. For me being a 'phone' is just a side benefit for emergency use as i HATE talking on the phone. For me its a PDA that isn't chained to wifi ( which is the main reason why i switched from a palm T/X to an iphone )... Id even be willing to turn off the phone service if they offered 'data only' plans.

Re:As a long time apple fan..... (1)

Zebedeu (739988) | more than 3 years ago | (#35769686)

Have you looked at the Nexus S?

I have one and I'm really happy with it. I did have to unlock the bootloader in order to reset the colour temperature change Google did with Android 2.3.3.
The unlock was incredibly easy, and official (you get the intructions on how to do it when you try to flash the bootloader, and it's still locked).

From now on I'm sticking to the Nexus devices, until the vendors stop playing the cat-and-mouse lock games.

I'm now looking into getting an Android tablet. Rumours are that there will be a Nexus tablet, so I'll just wait for that one (no rush anyway, the tablets are still too expensive for my taste).

Re:As a long time apple fan..... (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 3 years ago | (#35771862)

I'm now looking into getting an Android tablet. Rumours are that there will be a Nexus tablet

A "Nexus tablet" exists - it's Motorola Xoom. The official terms for these is "Google experience devices". That basically means two things:

First, they have stock Google software, not modified by phone manufacturer or operator (Google does include some 3rd party stuff there, such as Facebook and Amazon MP3, but it's part of their "experience"). This means that your device will get updates much earlier than operator-controlled phones. This also means that you won't have "Install outside Market" chechbox disabled in settings, and other similar malarkey.

Second, it means that device does not have anything to prevent or complicate rooting or unlocking - you should be able to just do "fastboot oem unlock", and then root using any of the custom loaders.

The way you know if something is a "Google experience device" is if it has a Google logo on it somewhere. Xoom does that, and has both advantages above. It's also effectively the reference device for Honeycomb (according to Google, it's what they primarily used during development).

By the way, Galaxy Tab 10.1 will also be a Google device - it seems that Google is not keen on letting partners customize Honeycomb, so far at least.

Re:As a long time apple fan..... (2, Insightful)

maccodemonkey (1438585) | more than 3 years ago | (#35769710)

Apple isn't stopping you from using it however you want. You can do whatever you want with it.

What you are asking for is Apple to help you do whatever you want to do, which I don't think even the most nerdy of nerds would say Apple has to do. It is totally legal for you to jailbreak it and load whatever you want on there.

Apple didn't threaten to sue Toyota, they just asked them to stop distributing the theme, which from a business standpoint is totally reasonable. Toyota also could have said no. Nothing fancy going on here.

Re:As a long time apple fan..... (1)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 3 years ago | (#35769892)

Umm, they actively try to prevent jail breaking, so yes they are trying to stop you. They also have the 'right' to do this with their products. I also never said about it being illegal for me to do what i wanted with my device.

The point is just that its getting tiresome of having to "fight" to do what i want with it.

Re:As a long time apple fan..... (1)

maccodemonkey (1438585) | more than 3 years ago | (#35769958)

"Umm, they actively try to prevent jail breaking, so yes they are trying to stop you. They also have the 'right' to do this with their products. I also never said about it being illegal for me to do what i wanted with my device."

How so? I haven't seen them actively try to prevent jailbreaking since jailbreaking was declared legal under US law.

They won't support a jailbroken phone, either through hardware support or the update system, which is exactly what every other phone maker does. This is not Apple actively trying to stop jailbreaking.

Re:As a long time apple fan..... (2)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 3 years ago | (#35770398)

To me, until it doesn't require any 'tricks' to make it happen and becomes a simple 'press this button at your own risk' function they are actively trying to prevent it .

Remember too, that with each OS release they fix the holes that were exploited in the previous to accomplish it, so again i say they are making an effort.

Re:As a long time apple fan..... (2)

maccodemonkey (1438585) | more than 3 years ago | (#35770666)

"To me, until it doesn't require any 'tricks' to make it happen and becomes a simple 'press this button at your own risk' function they are actively trying to prevent it ."

Huh? This is horrible logic.

If I don't bring you your dinner tonight, am I actively trying to stop you from eating dinner?

"Remember too, that with each OS release they fix the holes that were exploited in the previous to accomplish it, so again i say they are making an effort."

Yes, because bugs that allow you to inject code on a device are security bugs. Would you rather Apple leave these issues open so that blackhats can use them as well?

Re:As a long time apple fan..... (1)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 3 years ago | (#35770796)

If i come to your house for dinner, bought a covered dish and then you hide the utensils on me, it would be a more accurate analogy.

Until they offer a supported way to do this, they are working to prevent it. This is a black and white issue, don't try to make it into something its not.

And no, i haven't ditched my iphone yet. But i guarantee you the day i cant JB a new version if iOS it goes into the garbage and i wont ever buy another apple product.

Re:As a long time apple fan..... (2)

maccodemonkey (1438585) | more than 3 years ago | (#35770824)

"If i come to your house for dinner, bought a covered dish and then you hide the utensils on me, it would be a more accurate analogy."

It's like selling you sandwich but not giving you utensils. If you want to eat your sandwich with a fork, I'm not going to stop you. But I'm not going to go out of my way to make my sandwiches fork friendly. This doesn't mean I'm actively trying to stop you from eating your sandwiches with a fork.

Re:As a long time apple fan..... (3, Insightful)

gnasher719 (869701) | more than 3 years ago | (#35770972)

How so? I haven't seen them actively try to prevent jailbreaking since jailbreaking was declared legal under US law.

Every jailbreak is based on some vulnerability in the OS. Each such vulnerability is an opportunity for some malware to break into your iPhone, and therefore must be removed. By removing a vulnerability, Apple hinders jailbreaking. How far this is intended, I couldn't say.

Re:As a long time apple fan..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35771758)

By keeping a key to your device so you can't load what you desire.

Re:As a long time apple fan..... (0)

LordLucless (582312) | more than 3 years ago | (#35770652)

Yeah, just like Big Tony didn't threaten to burn down Joe's Bar. He just asked him if he wanted some insurance. Joe could have said no.

Go figure. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35769788)

As a long time Apple hater, I've been considering an iPhone. Android's interface is pants, and I can't remove bullshit applications (Amazon? Nascar, FFS?) without rooting my phone.

Rooting my phone.

Yes, this is Slashdot, but do you hear me? Rooting my phone. Phone. Root.

It's a phone. The fact that I'm supposed to go geek out with a ... A phone? Just to stop my battery being drained by auto-running bullshit?

Steve Jobs' tyranny is looking better than the rest, I'll admit. At least the man assumed dictatorial powers with a clear purpose.

Toyota Marketing (5, Insightful)

chimerafun (1364591) | more than 3 years ago | (#35769238)

As someone who has worked on the digital end of a tremendous number of campaigns for some very (very) large clients, please understand that oftentimes the larger company is not aware of what is going on. Campaigns are pulled quite often for even smaller, sillier, brand infringments. The only reason anyone cares about this one is that Apple's walled garden is a hot button topic.

Relevant for how long? (1)

damn_registrars (1103043) | more than 3 years ago | (#35769326)

Toyota isn't doing very well as a company - first the unexplained acceleration issues, followed by plenty of other recalls, and now the earthquakes. Their stocks have taken a serious hit, I suspect they are starting to show up on other companies' lists for acquisition.

I for one expect that the most likely suitor will be none other than Sony. Laugh at it now, but you won't be laughing when Toyotas all have memory stick slots in the seat to remember the shape of the driver's ass...

Re:Relevant for how long? (2)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 3 years ago | (#35769436)

Go look at chimerafun's post above yours. This is really a non issue. Some 20 something marketing zombie thought it would be cool. Their 30 year old marketing manager droid didn't think it through completely. Since it was likely really low budget, it just got done, then slapped down.

Nobody else cares.

Re:Relevant for how long? (1)

im3w1l (2009474) | more than 3 years ago | (#35770926)

Or maybe, they WANTED exactly this to happen. They come out looking good to the people they want to sell to.

Re:Relevant for how long? (2)

herojig (1625143) | more than 3 years ago | (#35771522)

Exactly. Thousands of more eyes on a Scion that would have never seen it before, and all for free. Same goes for Cydia. A win for everyone (selling crap). I've got a jailbroken phone, and wall or no wall, everyone wants to sell me something. It's almost like phones are becoming the new advertising sections of the Sunday Papers of Olde...

COWARDS! (1)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | more than 3 years ago | (#35770852)

What a bunch of cowards!! Jailbroken phones are legal in the USA - one of the few places where that country still leads the world - even if it was a hard fight to get there.

I think less of Toyota for this retreat, not more.

Re:COWARDS! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35771778)

I'm also surprised at Toyota's retreat. I mean who knew they could put the brakes on anything

Fuck Apple (0)

Trogre (513942) | more than 3 years ago | (#35771700)

Fuck Apple.

That is all.

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