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Don't worry. (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35782252)

(to the submitter):
You're not the only one who hasn't heard this news before; Apparently the editors, even though this was on /. two days ago, also didn't hear of it before...

Good riddance to bad rubbish (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35782276)

n/t

Re:Don't worry. (4, Insightful)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 3 years ago | (#35782520)

Original slashdot article - Groklaw Declares Victory, No More Articles [slashdot.org]

You can see the crapfloods Florian Mueller makes there about how PJ isn't a real person (even though she worked for ODSL, and Steven J Vaughan-Nichols wrote that he met her several times, etc.), or hop over to LWN and hear him complain about how HE is more deserving of recognition.

May 16th is Red Dress Day, in honor of Pamela Jones.

Re:Don't worry. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35783250)

hop over to LWN and hear him complain about how HE is more deserving of recognition.

He's right. He has received many major awards and is constantly being consulted by world leaders for opinions on free software, software patents, string theory and the meaning of life. He has saved the world many times over and is also popular with the ladies. So you should all stop talking about PJ who has achieved NOTHING and talk about me^Whim instead.

Re:Don't worry. (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 3 years ago | (#35784042)

May 16th is Red Dress Day, in honor of Pamela Jones.

For some of us, Red Dress Day comes after I Drank So Much I Don't Remember What Happened Night you insensitive clod. For others of us, we fondly call that day, Wednesday. Don't judge me!

Tinfoil hat? (0, Flamebait)

ron_ivi (607351) | more than 3 years ago | (#35782258)

Does this re-enforce the conspiracy theories that Groklaw may have been a hired work by one of the parties in the SCO suit?

If anything, F/OSS legal issues are even more interesting now than ever (with lots of activity around Android, Oracle buying Sun, etc).

I can see why PJ might be tired and might want to sell/hand-off groklaw to others interested in continuing the fight. But to just shut down when the SCO case closes. Makes me curious.

Re:Tinfoil hat? (4, Insightful)

Jurily (900488) | more than 3 years ago | (#35782310)

"You simply cannot invent any conspiracy theory so ridiculous and obviously satirical that some people somewhere don't already believe it."

-- Robert Anton Wilson

Re:Tinfoil hat? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35782426)

"You simply cannot invent any conspiracy theory so ridiculous and obviously satirical that some people somewhere don't already believe it."

-- Robert Anton Wilson

Corollary: "You simply cannot invent any nigger joke so mild and obviously nonmalicious that some people somewhere aren't already offended by it."

-- A.C.

Really the easily offended are ruining the world with their sterile clean-room interpretation of life and their strong desire to make everyone conform to it. Oh wait I might be distracting you from this: "THAT ASSHOLE, he said nigger. Quick, MOD HIM DOWN you can't do that fast enough noooo how dare he offend me..."

Re:Tinfoil hat? (4, Funny)

Odin's Raven (145278) | more than 3 years ago | (#35782500)

"You simply cannot invent any conspiracy theory so ridiculous and obviously satirical that some people somewhere don't already believe it."

Hah, that's just what they want you to believe.

Re:Tinfoil hat? (2)

DrXym (126579) | more than 3 years ago | (#35782852)

And the amazing thing is Alex Jones is the curator for most of them.

Re:Tinfoil hat? (1)

Archangel Michael (180766) | more than 3 years ago | (#35785252)

Before Alex Jones, it was Art Bell

Before Alex Jones it was Bill Cooper. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35786428)

Alex Jones arrived on the scene like a fear-monger and did more to divert attention away from Bill Cooper, whereas by association and cunning re-hash it was proven that Alex Jones is simply a pre-payed bullhorn that engauges in yelling matches of mindless parasding of pre-compiled material that I still find mostly true but just without any rememdy and recourse because it has no actio: Jesse Ventura has a presentation style similar, yet these guys are just two half-full cups of piss that nobody has been able to influence to do a better job at getting-rid of their adversaries because there is more evidence that they are the damage-control function planted by their adversaries to mediate between the public and th ecorrupt governments.

As for Art Bell when that pederast was around, he had 2 competitors where the strange(but spirited) one was Mary Sutherland and the original substitute to the actual show was none-other than Rolley James, yet George Noory was the poorly-chosen replacement to pederast Art Bell.

Re:Tinfoil hat? (1)

uninformedLuddite (1334899) | more than 3 years ago | (#35801998)

Stop reading my mind

I don't know (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35782676)

I just know that I hate the word "decidedly."

It is the kind of word that people just use to sound smart. It doesn't seem to mean what it is used to mean. It is klunky and awkward.

Re:I don't know (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35782840)

I just know that I hate the word "decidedly."

It is the kind of word that people just use to sound smart. It doesn't seem to mean what it is used to mean. It is klunky and awkward.

Thanks for sharing.

I hate the word cabbage, but since no one used that word in the comment I'm replying to, my feelings about it are hardly relevant to the discussion we're having.

Re:Tinfoil hat? (3, Insightful)

Eggplant62 (120514) | more than 3 years ago | (#35782940)

When PJ started this, it was to defend Linux, which at the time didn't have much in the way of large financial support, and only a very few outfits openly using it. The tides have simply turned. SCO no longer poses a threat since they're no longer able to do business in any capacity. They've sold their assests, their money is gone, their management team that brainstormed this whole mess has been scattered to the winds, and PJ wants to move on and go about her life. I think the mission of Groklaw has come to its fruition. Let the lady have her peace.

If anything, this further deconstructs the theories that there were big influences behind this small lady. Big influences can keep things going. PJ needing to step down and being willing to say so just confirms that there are no big interests pushing her to keep on.

Re:Tinfoil hat? (0)

SnarfQuest (469614) | more than 3 years ago | (#35784474)

PJ wants to move on and go about her life.

She's already working on other projects. She was last seen in Hawaii, sneaking out of a hospitals records room while holding a small signed piece of paper, and evilly laughing "They'll never find this now!"

Re:Tinfoil hat? (1)

GooberToo (74388) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783856)

Does this re-enforce the conspiracy theories that Groklaw may have been a hired work by one of the parties in the SCO suit?

Blathering morons stand unitedly proud...The 9/11 Truthers are buying tickets to hear you in concert.

Re:Tinfoil hat? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35783868)

Those of us on the inside of the suit were *convinced* the whole thing was a fake. This isn't helping refute such a claim. The hordes of people that site helped mislead? It's a classic astro-turf ploy we'll surely see again.

(yeah. Anonymous. I don't need the crunchies waving torches outside my apartment)

Re:Tinfoil hat? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35784848)

Those of us on the inside of the suit were *convinced* the whole thing was a fake.

Even on the outside we could tell that; SCO's claims were laughable.

Quick (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35782262)

Quick - somebody inform Florian Mueller. He won't want to miss the opportunity to add some kind words.

Re:Quick (5, Insightful)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 3 years ago | (#35782690)

Oh, he'll be by. Just like he was on LWN and zdNet and here and everywhere else, pushing the whole "PJ is not a real person" and "groklaw deletes comments." (Groklaw, a moderated blog, deletes comments? Quel scandale!).

His moaning and groaning on LWN [lwn.net] is typical

The word "her" needs citation. There was an avatar named "PJ", who claimed that "PJ" meant "Pamela Jones", but there was never any verifiable track record, such as past and current employers, and "PJ" never presented "herself" in public. I just explained in another comment here that this lack of transparency wasn't reasonable.

But assuming that "PJ" is a person, I don't know what you mean by "talent". "PJ" claimed to be a paralegal, admitted not to have programming knowledge, and very apparently failed to understand the world of business. In other words, we talk about a person who apparently would have liked to become a lawyers but failed to get there, and who missed some other important perspectives that "she" would have needed to provide holistic analysis of the issues "she" covered.

What a load of crap, considering
1. not only that Mueller is not a lawyer, but has done his best to give the impression he is, and not corrected it when people fell for it
2. has always been aware that PJ is a real person - he posted his crap on SJVNs blog at zdnet, the same Steven J Vaughan-Nichols who wrote that he's met PJ.

3. when I pointed out to this piece of work on the weekend that PJ had spoken with SJVN and RMS, he didn't ask for any citation for SJVN, just RMS. He already had seen the SJVN article. He's such a bad liar.

Of course, what can you expect from someone who is trying so desperately, and failing so badly [slashdot.org] , to re-invent themselves as a mouthpiece for hire for somebody ... ANYBODY ....

He's just another amateur troll, one of those "useful fools" we occasionally hear about ...

Re:Quick (1)

harlows_monkeys (106428) | more than 3 years ago | (#35809960)

It's interesting how Mueller was widely praised in the free software world for his work in fighting software patents, and given financial support by major free software companies like Red Hat, right up until he started criticizing IBM for their use of software patents and their unbridled enthusiasm for them (IBM told the Supreme Court that software patents were necessary for free software!), and then suddenly a huge anti-Mueller FUD campaign started. Coincidence?

Re:Quick (1)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 3 years ago | (#35813084)

Mueller has also gone on record to say that RedHat's business model destroys value, and that RedHat is a parasite (his words [blogspot.com] ).

It's the whole "broken windows" economic fallacy.

The anti-Mueller campaign started on slashdot when he tried to BS a bunch of us on the weekend over TurboHercules, got caught in a bunch of misrepresentations, and tried to weasel out of them. There were more than a dozen of us who jumped in, because what he was saying was a huge distortion of history, as well as misrepresenting the instant situation.

I remember it because before then I didn't know the guy from a hole in the ground - I figured he was just one more idiot spouting nonsense. Then I find out that people think he's some sort of "authority", a lawyer (that I trashed immediately by pointing out that even the stupidest lawyer in the world wouldn't be making some of the statements he made since they had zero basis in law anywhere on THIS planet (I can't speak about Mars, or whatever :-), and if he's really a lawyer he should be disbarred, etc. - sure enough, he wasn't a lawyer, he just encouraged people to think he was, and never corrected the mistake when he had an opportunity.

The only "coincidence" was that he tried to continue elsewhere (as well as to some extent here), but people were now willing to challenge him head-on, and had the links to prove he was just spouting nonsense.

The whole groklaw thing was really pitiful - the guy who was the actual maintainer of the Hercules hardware emulator (istr his name was Jay Maynard) got stuck in the middle, made the mistake of assuming that the claim that IBM was threatening to sue the Hercules project was true (it wasn't), and really, REALLY put his foot into it.

TurboHercules (not the Hercules project) wanted to have IBM customers make unlicensed copies of IBM's mainframe OS to run on other machines, atop the Hercules hardware emulator. When that didn't fly, TurboHercules (again NOT the Hercules project) tried to claim it would be only "transferring" the OS to a second machine, for "recovery purposes."

But even under that scenario (again, not permitted under the license, since you'd still have 2 copies of the OS floating around, even if you weren't using both at the same time, and the OS is licensed to a specific machine because the fee is based on work units), at some point you'd have to have 2 copies running, to transfer updated data back to the mainframe.

TurboHercules then tried to pick a fight with IBM by asking what patents might be infringed by Hercules, and IBM sent them a list. All of a sudden, TurboHercules and Mueller are claiming that IBM is going to to sue the Hercules project for patent infringement, based on IBM's response to their request.

See the problem here? Then ask yourself if it's a coincidence that TurboHercules took money [pcworld.com] from Microsoft [eweek.com] .

Pile on the FUD he pushed over supposed Android violations of the linux kernel, etc., and you have a clear agenda: The guy did what he could to worm his way into FLOSS territory so he could attack from inside, like a wolf in sheeps clothing, and it almost worked.

The problem is, when it comes to trolling on sites like slashdot, he's a rank amateur :-)

Wow (0)

Flipstylee (1932884) | more than 3 years ago | (#35782298)

I can't be bothered with snagging a link, but this was just discussed here recently. REPOST.

Re:Wow (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35782396)

No, Beavis, it wasn't. The prior article was about Groklaw closing. This article is about one person's opinion on groklaw closing. It might be silly, but it isn't a dupe.

Re:Wow (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35782418)

But this was all over Facebook , grandpa! Nobody cares about the ooooooooooold parts of the not-Facebookosphere network before the Perfect Order came in! Thus, it is obviously new news and The Almighty Zucker is noble and good.

Re:Wow (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#35782598)

Facebook? Isn't that MySpace with less child porn?

Re:Wow (1)

NatasRevol (731260) | more than 3 years ago | (#35782726)

And more prom porn.

Because it needs to be said. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35782354)

On behalf of everyone who isn't a FOSS zealot or GNUtard, fuck that stupid bitch. Either she was crazy for devoting so much of her life to FOSS or she was a whore for blogging on behalf of IBM. Either way, good riddance. Hypocritical cunt deleted comments to silence the opposition.

Re:Because it needs to be said. (2)

bmo (77928) | more than 3 years ago | (#35782876)

BGE spotted.

(bitter groklaw exile)

Emphasis on the "bitter"

Even _Arthur has gotten over his exile, why can't you?

--
BMO

And in the end.. (4, Insightful)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 3 years ago | (#35782404)

After Right won out, the soldiers returned to their homes, their fields and their shops. Preference for talk of the long bloody battle faded and was replaced by the need for a coat of paint on the house, the weather and cracker barrel politics. A memorial was placed somewhere, where those who remember the dark days could pay homage, but soon too the grass grew high and the leafs of Autumn covered it, all while a new generation ran with boundless energy in the park nearby and soon the heroes were forgotten, with what had passed before living on in the result of deeds.

And the perfect setting for a new battle to foment on yet another front.

Repost? (0)

RandomMonkey (908328) | more than 3 years ago | (#35782412)

Re:Repost? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35782456)

Isn't this a repost of a link that's already linked right in the article itself?

Re:Repost? (1)

RollingThunder (88952) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783684)

Not really. It's not about groklaw shutting down, per se, but that some people have mixed feelings about it shutting down.

grok what? (1)

magarity (164372) | more than 3 years ago | (#35782458)

Look, it isn't called grok sco, it's called grok law. Why not re-purpose toward legal issues in general or at least some broad subcategory?

Re:grok what? (3, Informative)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 3 years ago | (#35782516)

Look, it isn't called grok sco, it's called grok law. Why not re-purpose toward legal issues in general or at least some broad subcategory?

Well, if you read her mission statement [groklaw.net] , she clearly said it was for SCO related stuff.

While we all appreciate the work that PJ has done ... she's free to follow other pursuits. She's invested 7 years in it; maybe she feels it's time to move on.

Re:grok what? (2)

PyroMosh (287149) | more than 3 years ago | (#35782914)

I never really read Groklaw, but from what I understand, they cover lots of issues outside that scope as well. In fact, it says so on the link you just posted.

While anyone can respect her desire to bow out (she's put tremendous effort over the years into the project), it seems wasteful to just say "It's over, I'm closing the site" rather than to say, look to name a successor if she wants to move on.

Other sites could spring up to cover the overlap of tech and legal issues, but why not use a site that's already recognized for leading in this area? She doesn't have to be involved, but I do hope that the folks who are / were close to her within the project have urged her to consider turning the site over to someone else.

Re:grok what? (1)

_Sprocket_ (42527) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783346)

It would seem that the site isn't going away but rather winding down the process of updating. They will complete their backlog of documents, publish, and then call it good. Book done; send it to print.

I see value in that. PJ did her thing by putting Groklaw together. It served its purpose and made its place in history. And as long as it stays online, people can come back to it as a reference. Passing on the reigns of the site to someone else would risk Groklaw becoming something different than what PJ had created. It could lead to obscuring that reference; damaging a view in history.

Such a risk is worthwhile when the organization itself offers value in the consolidation of resources. But on the Internet, the next Groklaw is a blog site away. It doesn't take Groklaw to do what Groklaw did.

Re:grok what? (1)

RobertLTux (260313) | more than 3 years ago | (#35784096)

The Idea of Groklaw has basically been handed over to the community. As far as the current site i think the number of Law|Business courses that reference the site would like to have a fixed site to reference. Plus i think running the site has come very close to killing PJ.

Re:grok what? (5, Informative)

fwarren (579763) | more than 3 years ago | (#35782614)

PJ pretty much says it all. In 2001 the battle was SCO fronted by Microsoft trying to destroy Linux. SCO was attacking IBM, but was also trying to take out Linux with FUD such as the $699 per cpu Linux license. The battle was on the desktop and in the server room. Groklaw was there, and combat the FUD and the community was able to defend Linux from SCO.

Now the battle is in the cloud and mobile space. Microsoft, no matter what conduit they work through is an attack on Google. Google is a large company with plenty of brains and money. They can take care of themselves.

There is truth to this, Groklaw relied on our collective memory of computer history from the 1970s to the end of the 1990's. If enough of us looked over the details SCO presented, we would notice where they got the facts wrong. This "community" will not be nearly as useful in the battle over the smartphone and the cloud.

All I can say is I enjoyed the site, it was quite a ride. Thanks PJ for keeping us geeks in the loop.

Re:grok what? (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35783002)

I'm actually relieved. How many focused advocacy groups, when their cause has won its primary battle, face the same choice, and instead say, "what can we do with this new-found power we (think we) have gotten for ourselves?"

A group that comes to mind right now fitting this is MADD, but so many groups kind of turn into activist HeLo cancers - they just won't die, and go on and on fighting at real or imagined windmills perpetually. MADD has won the war, but fights the battle still, going after smaller and smaller problems (or strawmen arguments) that in their mind are as big, if not bigger (today), than the original problem, even if they really aren't by most sane and sober evaluations.

But maybe this is the normal way of humans - we get the prize, and want more MORE! Is it enough for Altoids to have curiously strong peppermint candies? No, so they create curiously wintergreenier mints, curiously cinnamonnier mints, etc.

The Cold War is dead, so we need to create a new terrorism threat (that, honestly for the west, was far worse in the 70's and early 80's) to replace the Soviets & the Red Menace...

ohh bulll oney (1)

decora (1710862) | more than 3 years ago | (#35784900)

look. PJ was posting about the Hotz case only a few days ago. She was digging into details of Caliornia vs New Jersey computer law because Sony was trying to sue Hotz in California even though he lives in New Jersey.

Now she just vanishes?

There is -more going on here-. we might not be able to know about it, for years. but something smells wrong. Someone who is as brilliant and inquisitive as PJ doesn't just dump everything for no apparent reason. The site is not called 'SCOvsLinux', it is not called 'scoville' or some other witty name, like so many other 'cause' based sites are (Operation Clambake). It was called Grok Law - > Grok the Law.

PJ obviously had a deep intellectual interest in matters of Law, Patents, and Copyright, and open source software, as well as writing and explaining it to the rest of us. That interest has not disappeared, it is like saying that Mick Jagger decided to give up singing or something. (OK, so actually some artists do stop, like Joni Mitchell. But show me anything where PJ has decided to become a painter or something).

Re:grok what? (1)

operagost (62405) | more than 3 years ago | (#35786266)

A group that comes to mind right now fitting this is MADD

I heartily concur. MADD is now a temperance union whose policies appear to be designed to progressively create a new de facto prohibition era, while creating a veritable police state through the use of checkpoints and mandatory breathalyzers.

Let's be honest, none of us understood it anyway (-1, Troll)

jaypaulw (889877) | more than 3 years ago | (#35782552)

I have no idea who the audience was for that.

this is rare (5, Insightful)

gothzilla (676407) | more than 3 years ago | (#35782592)

It's common for people to create an organization to solve a problem when no solutions exist. Most of the time though those people keep going even after the problems have been solved. Greenpeace and PETA are examples. Their original goals were met and instead of going "ok we won", they just kept going. As they searched hard for relevance, their organizations become more radical and extreme in the process until they get to a point where they become a new problem.

It's nice to see someone actually be able to quit when there's no reason to still exist. I'm afraid groklaw would take the same route as it tried too hard to remain relevant.

Re:this is rare (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35783086)

I agree with your sentiment, but how can you even compare Greenpeace and PETA? Greenpeace is still relevant and still fighting for the same goal they originally started out with. I'd say they are more relevant than ever.

Maybe you meant Sea Shepherd, a PETA like organisation started by some people that got kicked out from Greenpeace because they were to radical?

Re:this is rare (1)

bmo (77928) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783272)

>Greenpeace is still relevant

It became irrelevant when the French stopped nuclear testing in the Pacific. Now they're just attention whores.

--
BMO

Re:this is rare (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35784676)

This isn't Reddit. Use <quote>, not >.

If you're going to be a critic at least get your facts straight. The French nuclear testing in the Pacific was in the mid 1980's - 14 years after Greenpeace was founded.

Sure this was a success but ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35784702)

The battle isn't over at all, Greenpace is no single topic organization. There are left a lot of problems o address

Re:this is rare (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35783224)

nice try, but groklaw existed before the IBM/SCO/Linux lawsuit.

Re:this is rare (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35784346)

It's common for people to create an organization to solve a problem when no solutions exist. Most of the time though those people keep going even after the problems have been solved. Greenpeace and PETA are examples.

Oh? I didn't realize they had succeeded in ending factory farming, fur farming, animal testing, and animals in entertainment. Silly me.

Re:this is rare (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35784836)

As others have said, Greenpeace and PETA are horrible examples. Try the March of Dimes and the Rural Electrification Administration

Re:this is rare (1)

gmhowell (26755) | more than 3 years ago | (#35788310)

As others have said, Greenpeace and PETA are horrible examples. Try the March of Dimes and the Rural Electrification Administration

I vote for NOW and MADD.

It was also "all over" Slashdot...last week... (0)

xxxJonBoyxxx (565205) | more than 3 years ago | (#35782700)

It was also "all over" Slashdot...last week. Is this what happens when editors go on vacation?

I posted about this yesterday.... (2)

bmo (77928) | more than 3 years ago | (#35782836)

... but it's worth posting here, but without the aliens.

Go on over to LWN and look at Florian's continued meltdown about how PJ isn't relevant and he is.

http://lwn.net/Articles/437650/ [lwn.net]

There's a lot said there that exposes Florian's true colors.

He heaps praise on the people who spread the most FUD about Linux. Robert Enderle, MOG, Dan "Lyin'" Lyons, and Ed Bott led the charge in the media against Linux. The only person he left out to praise was Rudy De Haas ("Paul Murphy" pseudonym). I'm sorry, but the list of above people have nothing worth listening to and his defense of them shows what side of the fence he's on.

--
BMO

Re:I posted about this yesterday.... (1)

RotateLeftByte (797477) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783382)

Ah yes. FM is there in force.
Does he not realise that by always having to get the last word in weakens his position?

Then he has the gall to call Linus just plain Torvalds. IMHO, every time he writes that it must be through gritted teeth.
(There is not need to reply FM. You really don't have anything worthwhile to add to the debate. It has been said already.)

Re:I posted about this yesterday.... (2)

HBI (604924) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783448)

Florian's just a paid shill. who cares what he has to say? Hell, the people he listed are all paid shills. If you can't determine who is paid to feed you company propaganda and who is not, the battle is lost with you anyway.

If someone had told me in 1994 that Microsoft was responsible for the destruction of productive new technologies to preserve their bottom line, I wouldn't have believed them and would have disbelieved everything and anything they said afterward. There was tons of data out there already documenting just this. I just hadn't seen it and didn't want to search it out. They were crushing IBM, then the heart and soul of closed, high cost computing. Why try to think badly of them?

Nowadays, the scales are off the eyes of those who are paying attention. You still have to care, though. Same with Apple and Google et al.

Re:I posted about this yesterday.... (1)

quacking duck (607555) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783708)

Nowadays, the scales are off the eyes of those who are paying attention. You still have to care, though. Same with Apple and Google et al.

Indeed. I'm an Apple fan and have been with them since the late 80s, but not so much a fanboi that I'm blind to their issues.

Bottom line: A big, massive organization with any significant influence and/or moving lots of money must always, always be watched. Apple, Google, Microsoft, MADD, the Gates Foundation, hell even the Red Cross and various multinational charity organizations. And of course government at all levels.

Thanks for the laugh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35787322)

It doesn't quite reach the heights of entertainment Jeff Merkey used to bring but certainly adds to the pantheon of interesting personalities who hang around Free Software.

Re:I posted about this yesterday.... (1)

Ant P. (974313) | more than 3 years ago | (#35787436)

He seems to have no shortage of free time to sandbag most of that thread with ego-stroking PR and vapid credential assertions.

I find it more informative to look at which comments he doesn't respond to. Not even to say "that's false". The silence is deafening.

Thanks P.J. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35783376)

On a job well done. Many times the case was a PR campaign, and Groklaw painted the picture plainly from the legal briefs. Time to celebrate the victory, and victory it is, Its sad that a rogue bunch of idiots burned SCO to bankruptcy, as well as wasted a lot of time and money instead of improving a non-microsoft brand. But Groklaw stood as a beacon of clarity.

Thanks again, in honor of what you have done, and the standard you have set for others to follow.

Sad day (1)

applematt84 (1135009) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783462)

It's a sad day ... There's no other resource like groklaw.net. I remember when the site first went up ... Any suggestions on similar resources?

Re:Sad day (1)

schestowitz (843559) | more than 3 years ago | (#35788056)

If you wish, http://techrights.org [techrights.org] covers similar subjects.

Re:Sad day (1)

RMS Eats Toejam (1693864) | more than 3 years ago | (#35789354)

Like the true asshole we know you are, pimping your own websites here on Slashdot. It seems the apple really doesn't fall far from David Gerard's tree. Little FYI for you, Roy. I'd never set foot in the faggot infested slum known as England, but if I did, I'd punch you in your tiny little cock. That's a promise.

Groklaw's end will leave a hole (1)

Julie188 (991243) | more than 3 years ago | (#35784508)

Anyone can understand why P.J. would want to move on, but it's a shame! The legal complexities surrounding FOSS and patents and games that Microsoft and Google play seem to be getting more complicated, not less, than the days when SCO made it's bold and ridiculous claims. (At the point that SCO started its anti-Linux campaign, that company was already starting to whither.) There's some good work going on at Silicon Flatirons in Boulder by lawyers interested in tech. Maybe one of them will pick up the hole that Groklaw will be leaving.

Julie Bort
Open Source Subnet [networkworld.com]

Now she's going into anti-nuclear activism? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35786276)

It's my understanding that, after Fukushima, she's going into anti-nuclear activism. Can anyone confirm this?

It's just a rumor, but she did say something about the events in Japan "deeply affecting" her and wrote a comment on one of the nuclear stories about how the designers of the plant should have to be part of the cleanup crew.

My thoughts (1)

Lost Penguin (636359) | more than 3 years ago | (#35788536)

PJ was gracious enough to give us all many years or her life to increase public awareness of the truth, I suspect she is still quite overwhelmed with her famous anonymity.

I hope she is moving on to do something fun, and not being made "an offer she can't refuse".
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