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Sony's Case Against Geohot Has Been Settled

Soulskill posted more than 3 years ago | from the peace-returns-to-the-land dept.

PlayStation (Games) 469

matt_gaia writes "According to Sony Computer Entertainment America, they have reached a settlement with GeoHot (George Hotz), where Hotz has consented to a permanent injunction, but still denies any wrong-doing in the whole affair. Sony said, 'Our motivation for bringing this litigation was to protect our intellectual property and our consumers. We believe this settlement and the permanent injunction achieve this goal.'" I wonder if Anonymous will proceed with their anti-Sony campaign.

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Oh, stuff it. (5, Insightful)

intellitech (1912116) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783154)

'Our motivation for bringing this litigation was to protect our intellectual property and our consumers.'

If SCEA was ever interested in protecting consumers, they never would have brought suit against GeoHot in the first place.

Re:Oh, stuff it. (4, Insightful)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783196)

If SCEA was ever interested in protecting consumers, they never would have brought suit against GeoHot in the first place.

That part is so they can act like part of the motivation is so people don't write hacks to their modded systems that lets them cheat at the on-line games.

I'm of the opinion that it's 99% protecting of their IP/locking down the console, and 1% protecting consumers ... and even that only as a PR thing.

Re:Oh, stuff it. (1)

do0b (1617057) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783710)

The consumers they speak of aren't the endusers.
They're the third party developers.

Re:Oh, stuff it. (1)

grub (11606) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783248)

You and I agree, but read the comments on TFA. They're the complete opposite of most slashdot-type posts.

Re:Oh, stuff it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35783282)

Because it's full of rabid fan boys.

Re:Oh, stuff it. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35783360)

As opposed to Slashdot, which isn't?

Just because you agree with them doesn't mean they're NOT rabid fanboys.

Re:Oh, stuff it. (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35783602)

No, it's because they're people who have spent large amounts of money on a PS3 so that they can do one particular thing with it: play fucking video games. Nothing Hotz has done has helped them in any way, and most of it has hurt them. His original hack led to the OtherOS removal. Most of these people didn't really care then, although some pretended to.

Then came the real working hack. First we got slews of updates as Sony tried to stay one step ahead, which was just a giant headache for people who just wanted to play a damn game. Then cheating became rampant in all the major online games, something we used a console specifically to avoid. Then the Anonymous DDoS against PSN which meant we couldn't even sign in.

Now, you could (rightfully) claim that Hotz wasn't responsible for any of this. Sony removed OtherOS, Sony pushed out the endless updates, other wanna be crackers wrote the cheats, and Anonymous ran the DDoS without Hotz consent. But as a gamer, I don't give a fuck. A system that I truly enjoyed has become a greater and greater headache, and it all ties back directly to Hotz. And I, like a lot of gamers, just want it to go away.

Re:Oh, stuff it. (-1, Flamebait)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783730)

Booo-fucking-hoooo. My giveadamn is broken. Worse, I have no sympathy for sniveling cry babies like yourself. "I just want to play a game! There aren't any other games, I want THIS game, from THIS company!" FFS, grow up, junior.

Re:Oh, stuff it. (1)

GWRedDragon (1340961) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783450)

It wouldn't surprise me if Sony had a few employees whose sole job was to write favorable comments...

Re:Oh, stuff it. (2)

the simurgh (1327825) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783514)

they don't they outsource it. i once applied for a job at a company that shocked me when i was told what they told me my job was to be. the company existed solely to go from message board forum to forum posting favorable comments, padding fan pages and editing wiki entry's favorably for companies or high profile individuals who were clients. hence why i scream astroturfing at the one comment that is not in the stream of hate that the other 19 are.

Re:Oh, stuff it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35783670)

It is from a Playstation blog. The type of people who would likely go there and make comments are pro-Sony/PS3 by default, and closer to that mindset.

Re:Oh, stuff it. (0, Troll)

aristotle-dude (626586) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783298)

'Our motivation for bringing this litigation was to protect our intellectual property and our consumers.'

If SCEA was ever interested in protecting consumers, they never would have brought suit against GeoHot in the first place.

Why don't you stuff it? They are interested of course in protecting their own IP and the IP or their partners and looking out for their consumers. The average consumer is not affected by the lack of linux or not being able to run hombrew/pirated games. Let use be honest here, most people bothering to hack their PS3 are interested in pirated games. That is their primary motivation. Consumers "consume" by buying games and media which earns Sony and their partners money.

Let us also admit that GeoHot does not represent the average consumer either.

Re:Oh, stuff it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35783356)

>The average consumer is not affected by the lack of linux

You may say that now, but in the grander scheme of things, linux is about freedom and freedom affects all of us and future generations.

Re:Oh, stuff it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35783378)

He doesn't have to be average to be allowed to do what he wants with his hardware, now does he? The average commuter doesn't use a bicycle, scooter, or their feet to get to work, they use a car, nevertheless the minority users' rights and ability to do something the average person doesn't give a crap about is protected.

It doesn't matter if Hotz was an average user.

Re:Oh, stuff it. (4, Insightful)

CelticWhisper (601755) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783380)

Their motivation doesn't matter. The principle remains - Sony is trying to keep people from using their hardware how they want. While it's completely within Sony's rights to deny use of their network, the fact is that they flat-out stole a feature that was advertised as a major selling point for the hardware and are trying to blame one hacker for their own misdeeds.

I've made this analogy before but I'll make it again. If someone buys a hammer and files the ends down into sharp spikes, then goes out and starts hitting people in the head with their weaponized tool, you prosecute them for causing bodily harm to other people, not for the act of modifying a hammer. Maybe you can take the modification into account as evidence of premeditation for the actual crime, but you don't treat it as a crime itself. Same thing with the PS3. If people modify their PS3s and then use the modifications to play pirated games, game makers can go after them in civil court for pirating games. However, it should never be permitted to pro^H^Hersecute people for modifying what they own.

Re:Oh, stuff it. (1)

jtownatpunk.net (245670) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783518)

Your analogy doesn't work. In some cases, it is illegal to modify something you own. Going with the weapon theme, a sawed-off shotgun comes to mind. Even if you have a legitimate reason to make the modification, it's still illegal, in the US, to reduce the length of a shotgun to less than 26" overall and an 18" barrel. Doesn't matter if such a modification could make the weapon more useful during legal use.

Re:Oh, stuff it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35783384)

So will other hackers protect their IP by using Tor and stay hidden.

Re:Oh, stuff it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35783682)

Tell me about the consumer and the 5 clusters of PS3s that I run for computational experimentation and chemical processing.

Re:Oh, stuff it. (1)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783772)

You're way off target. The question is, who owns a playstation when it leaves the store? I say, if Geohot, or anyone else pays for it, it is THEIRS. And, Sony has no rights whatsoever to dictate how it might be used.

Stuff it? Good idea, get to stuffing.

Re:Oh, stuff it. (0)

GooberToo (74388) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783778)

Hardly surprising that about one of the only posts which actually have anything to do with reality gets troll moderated.

Holy shit has slashdot fallen...and with it, the average IQ...

I'd honestly be surprised if the average IQ of the slashdot readership is above mid 100s these days. And based on posts I seriously doubt the average poster has an IQ above low 90s.

Re:Oh, stuff it. (1)

Golddess (1361003) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783786)

Let use be honest here, most people bothering to hack their PS3 are interested in pirated games. That is their primary motivation.

If we're going to "be honest here", it should be pointed out that what finally motivated the right people to irrevocably break open the PS3 was Sony removing the OtherOS feature.

Re:Oh, stuff it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35783304)

I wonder if Anonymous will proceed with their anti-Sony campaign.

I certainly hope so, unless they also drop their various other cases against software freedom liberators.

Re:Oh, stuff it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35783338)

Consumers = licensees, content developers

Re:Oh, stuff it. (4, Insightful)

kimvette (919543) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783412)

I responded many years ago before the rootkit by not buying Sony products and by recommending Samsung, LG, or even Vizio screens for clients who need large wall-mounted screens in their offices, conference rooms, etc.

I started avoided Sony when I found their replacement parts costs to be obscene when I wanted to repair my DVP-S360 DVD player - I paid a premium for the Sony for the feature set (mainly the full-feature front-panel controls) and it turned out the entire run was bad and became known for failing just after warranty. I priced out replacement parts but by then competitors were offering DVD players that could play various mpeg4 videos and the part I needed cost more than competitor offerings, and I could even get a Sony DVD player for a few dollars more.

Another thing is in a lot of Sony products they use resistors in place of fuses, making troubleshooting more time consuming. Between that and cold solder joints in their televisions, it was obvious Sony decided to just start phoning it in, earning sales now based on their past reputation for being innovators and a quality manufacturer.

Now they engage in shameless malfeasance (installing rootkits on hard drives of legitimate paying customers), engage in fraud (sell product based on features, e.g., OtherOS, and then take it away) and then attack the consumer directly when they try to take back control of their own hardware and help others enjoy their right of first sale.

Then, in various products (from MP3 players to notebooks to cameras) they kept pushing their stupid MemoryStick form factor, despite the existence of very workable existing standards (CF, MMC/SD, or even XD), an obvious means to increase revenue through their own costly proprietary (yet slow and low capacity) sole-sourced accessories.

When did this pattern start? Remember when Sony used to be pro consumer (e.g., sony walkman, VCRs and the betamax case, dual deck cassette systems, etc)? Did their anti-consumer agenda start when Sony bought up music labels?

Frak Sony. They're not too large to fail and if enough people say ENOUGH, they will either fail or they will change their ways and bring back the Sony we once knew.

Re:Oh, stuff it. (1)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783654)

in the 70's and 80's, sony was a respected hardware maker. their audio gear ranged from cheap to very very fine. they made a lot of high end pro audio gear, too.

in the 90's they started to lose themselves.

in the 00's, they totally jumped the shark and I've been avoiding them and their products since.

the brand is dead to me as much as possible. I can't control any internal sony parts or chips but I can at least avoid paying for sony gear that is branded sony.

my life has not suffered one bit. there isn't one thing sony makes that ONLY sony makes. not one thing that affects my life, at least (I don't game and wouldn't know a ps1 from a ps2 from a ps3, fwiw). maybe you gamers need sony but I can't think of anything else that they have any real ownership in any tech area. you can live a sony-free life pretty easily.

Only Sony makes Rickrolls (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783766)

here isn't one thing sony makes that ONLY sony makes.

Only Sony makes "Never Gonna Give You Up" by Rick Astley.

you can live a sony-free life pretty easily.

How do I go into a grocery store without hearing Sony music?

Re:Oh, stuff it. (1)

blackC0pter (1013737) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783714)

I completely agree. The way Motorola is going with locking down their phones, they will soon become the next Sony. Why can't we just use the products we buy any way we want to?

Re:Oh, stuff it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35783746)

Please stop saying "Frak" - it's fucking stuipid.

Re:Oh, stuff it. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35783476)

I think they have every right to go after him. He used his modded Ps3 to steal from the psn. I know that was only mentioned in the court case. But he stole. Sure he did break the tos by exploiting the security key. But most of all he used it to take digital property from Sony without paying.. if thats ok I suppose if I get a copy of your house key I should be able to take whatever I want.

Re:Oh, stuff it. (2)

adam.dorsey (957024) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783540)

Parent post brought to you by Sony Computer Entertainment America, Inc.

Re:Oh, stuff it. (4, Insightful)

poetmatt (793785) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783510)

Sony could help but dismiss as fast as possible once they realized they didn't even have a shred of a case in california. I'd bet money the settlement involves paying off all of Hotz's legal fees.

It cracks me up that they state that hotz accepted a permanent injunction as a "loss" but it doesn't even say what the injunction was for.

So Sony basically ran the hell away on this. I'm actually quite surprised if Hotz agreed to keep this settlement private, as it would do wonders to not have it private.

Re:Oh, stuff it. (1)

Zoidbot (1194453) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783782)

shut up. PS3 gamers don't want hackers like that idiot ruining the system. Sony were protecting consumers, your pro-GeoHot (or more likely, pro Microsoft) comments certainly aren't.

If you want to talk about fucking over consumers, lets talk about Microsoft's "ship it anway and we can sell them a new one in a couple of years time" strategy for the Xbox360.

50m consoles sold to 25m gamers.....

Wow.... (4, Interesting)

grub (11606) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783170)


I'm amazed at the comments on the linked Playstation page.

Some folks are (almost) calling for Hotz' head. And people think Apple's fans drink the KoolAid...

Re:Wow.... (1)

discord5 (798235) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783234)

Some folks are (almost) calling for Hotz' head. And people think Apple's fans drink the KoolAid...

And I'm pretty sure that Sony isn't posting comments on their own website. Right? They would never do such a thing.

Re:Wow.... (5, Insightful)

Shimdaddy (898354) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783310)

I don't think it's Sony astroturfing. I think it's just gamers who see action like GeoHotz's as a gateway to piracy -- if they spend a good deal of their time in online games (which can be totally ruined by cheaters), I think their comments are understandable (though I still don't agree with them).

Re:Wow.... (2)

Narishma (822073) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783760)

It's not just the PS Blog. Go to just about any gaming website and read the comments about this story and you'll see the vast majority support Sony. It's just on tech websites like /. or ars technica that you see a lot of people against Sony.

Re:Wow.... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35783292)

I'm amazed at the comments on the linked Playstation page.

Some folks are (almost) calling for Hotz' head. And people think Apple's fans drink the KoolAid...

You see people identify with products all over the place - and if you look closely at your life, you may be doing it too.

I've seen people base their identities on what they have; which is quite a childish thing to do if you ask a developmental psychologist - basing your identity on what you do means you're stuck in adolescence by the way.

Go to a photo site and you'll see people get all riled up if you say anything against "their" brand of camera. Same goes for power tools - you'll see Ridgid and DeWalt fanboys.

Cars - same thing.

Apple's fanboys have nothing on the Harley Davidson fanboys.

Re:Wow.... (2)

kimvette (919543) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783642)

Go to a photo site and you'll see people get all riled up if you say anything against "their" brand of camera. Same goes for power tools - you'll see Ridgid and DeWalt fanboys.

So true - go to any Nikon forum and you'll see Canon fans posting crap, go to Canon forums and see Nikon fans posting crap - usually in the form of gross misinformation to "prove" their choice of camera is better, completely ignoring the fact that they're just tools and there is no one single BFH that works for all situations.

It seems every market has that kind of blind follower - be it cars (okay admittedly my username includes my favorite car, but I don't make excuses for GM. GM sucks and should have been allowed to fail, IMHO), computers (witness Windows vs. Mac vs. Linux crap here on a daily basis), phones (witness iPhone vs. Android crap here on a daily basis), sports (Sox suck! No, Yankees suck! No, you suck! No, you suck!), and so on. People like something and raise them to the level if idols and worship them for some reason. They forget sports is just entertainment, that technology is just tools, and cars are tools with an artistic shell.

  I hate most Mercedes vehicles, but that doesn't mean I need to go trolling about how much greater the cars I like are better than Mercedes - because the cars I choose for my purposes would not fit the purposes or tastes of the next person. Likewise, in the past I have chosen vehicles I HATED because they were practical for my purpose and at the time 99% of my driving was for business, and no matter how you try, you simply can't haul a load of servers in a sportscar or even a sports sedan.

Irrational people will be irrational, douchebags will be douchebags, and rational people will be rational (although generally rational people may on occasion seek irrational enjoyment from mocking douchebags and trolls). Some people feel the irrational need to support the idea that the product/team/person/thing/place they like/bought/watch/live is best, and therefore everyone else makes the wrong decision because their choice sucks.

But, let me wrap this up by saying that Sony sucks - and I am not being irrational here. ;)

Re:Wow.... (2, Insightful)

elashish14 (1302231) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783424)

All the commenters have PSN accounts and are reading what appears to be the official PS blog. In other words, they must be in KoolAid up to the ears.

Re:Wow.... (1)

flimflammer (956759) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783474)

The reason they're so out for blood is because they don't actually understand what was happening or what this case was really about.

They all assumed that Hotz was basically allowing games to be hacked and crap, ruining their online experience, when Hotz work actually had nothing to do with it.

Ignorance is leading the farmers with pitchforks and fire, like it always does.

Re:Wow.... (1)

MrHanky (141717) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783552)

It's just that those people don't care about the fact that they don't own what they've bought -- they're more afraid of being owned when playing games. The console is theirs in that they get to keep it permanently, and apart from that it's just a gateway to a games service. They were never going to use it for anything but further consumption of things they don't own. Come to think of it, Sony and Apple are pretty much the same in that regard.

Re:Wow.... (3)

Sir_Sri (199544) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783648)

In their defence, the whole purpose for the vast majority of users when buying a PS3 was to have a gaming machine and some semblance of fair competition in multiplayer. The forums are naturally more full of fanboys than anywhere else. Any PS3 hack directly interferes with the notion of a fair playing session against other people. As much as it got Sony free press, PS2 linux... I'm sorry PS3 linux was only ever there to try and skirt around EU import tariffs. It didn't work. Sony really doesn't want you using PS3's for astrophysics clusters or airforce research (I helped build a cluster for astrophysics work). They sell at a loss because they want you to buy games. I'm sure the airforce cluster is great press, but the vast majority of the research just costs them money they don't get a tax break for.

All MMO's go after botters. Shouldn't I be able to run whatever software I want on my own machine?

The olympics go after people who have too much cold medication or whatever else. Shouldn't you be allowed to take whatever your doctor recommends for your health?

The US congress thought steroid use in baseball was so important they dragged barry bonds and co. to washington to talk to them. This is when they are trying to deal with a trillion dollar deficit, they're willing to waste days of peoples time on steroids in baseball. And you think sony fanboys are overreacting to a hack? At least the sony fanboys are actually participating in, and affected by cheaters directly.

Not that Sony is blameless. They should never have allowed 'other OS linux' on the PS3 in the first place, they should not have gone around threatening to sue everyone under the sun who might have been intrigued by geohot. But if you're a MMO player, you're glad to see the banhammer go out to gold farmers, botters etc. Sony is trying to balance on one hand the developers and hardcore gamers (who roughly have aligned interests in terms of security), and hacker types who should be free to toy with their own stuff, but not at the expense of the network experience of everyone else.

Lets be honest. Sure, a PS3 jailbreak hack lets you run homebrew games, and may re-enable partially functional PS2 emulation, and brings back linux support. But it also lets you mess with the memory state of your machine and hack the game as you're running and it lets you pirated games. Homebrew has no real value on a PS3. PS2 emulation, I'm not sure on, I'm betting sony didn't just take it out for the fun of it, it's probably really hard, if not impossible to do properly and provide a good experience. Linux... well it shipped with linux so I guess they should still support it. But that goes into the next problem, which is the whole network experience of 40 odd million players (obviously not all of whom actually use the network functionality) can be easily disrupted by even a handful of people hacking which is really a serious problem. Avoiding that is sort of the point of having a console in the first place, and being able to steal stuff from the playstation store isn't exactly something I support either. I don't think pirated games (blu-ray/DVD) is a huge issue, though I could be wrong, I suppose once the hack is out here some cheap PS3 game knockoff manufacturers could pose problems if they want to get into that business.

On Anonymous (1)

trollertron3000 (1940942) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783190)

I'm sure Anonymous will now go away. They're known for being lenient in cases like this. Oh wait, no. You gonna get raped.

Re:On Anonymous (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35783218)

Oh wait, no. You gonna get raped.

Indeed. Such cruel, inhumane measures as a 1-day boycott will be carried out without mercy.

Re:On Anonymous (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35783324)

I'm thinking they'll still turn up for the sit-in but when they realise they have noting to protest, it'll turn into a shopping trip.

Re:On Anonymous (1)

jbonomi (1839286) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783410)

I don't think "anonymous" has proven effective against anything but Scientologists. I don't think Sony has much to worry about.

Re:On Anonymous (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35783668)

Haven't you heard from Tunisia, Egypt and a few other Arab/Muslim countries?

Re:On Anonymous (1)

CarsonChittom (2025388) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783700)

Actually turning out for honest-to-God protests is pretty much the opposite of anonymous.

Re:On Anonymous (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35783764)

He couldn't, their internet was down due to a DoS.

money back! (1)

SuperDre (982372) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783208)

So do people who donated money for Geohotz defense now get their money back? because this settlement isn't what people donated money for, the money was for going through to the end so a real verdict was set.

Re:money back! (2)

CarsonChittom (2025388) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783246)

My guess would be no. You shouldn't give money away without a contract unless you're okay with it vanishing into thin air.

Re:money back! (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35783274)

It was stated from the start that any unused donations would go to the EFF, actually.

It's a pity he settled, but given the corruption of the USA's court system compared to the free world's, and the USA's imaginary property tulipmania, it's understandable.

Re:money back! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35783284)

He did say that he'd give any left over to the EFF, so no, but don't worry, it's for a good cause.

Re:money back! (1)

Scott64 (1181495) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783344)

He had already stated that funds not needed for his case would be donated to the EFF.

Unsuccessful discovery? (4, Interesting)

Dachannien (617929) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783212)

Dollars to donuts says that SCEA's ridiculous discovery campaign (under the pretense of a jurisdictional dispute) either already turned up less than they'd hoped or was starting to draw enough opposition from the subpoena targets to make this an extremely expensive battle that could never possibly achieve their desired result.

Re:Unsuccessful discovery? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35783596)

Dollars to donuts says that SCEA's ridiculous discovery campaign (under the pretense of a jurisdictional dispute) either already turned up less than they'd hoped or was starting to draw enough opposition from the subpoena targets to make this an extremely expensive battle that could never possibly achieve their desired result.

So why would geohot agree to settle if he didn't feel they had anything on him?

Re:Unsuccessful discovery? (1)

characterZer0 (138196) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783640)

Maybe the settlement involved Sony paying him to make him go away while looking like they won?

Re:Unsuccessful discovery? (2)

melikamp (631205) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783716)

Why not? He doesn't get anything out of the prolonged litigation. The permanent injunction is not a loss, but just a way for Sony to save face. It's almost a way of paying Sony for crediting him and publicizing his discovery to such a wide audience. Basically a victory for Hotz and everyone who wanted to mod their hardware.

Dear Sony staffer (4, Interesting)

CarsonChittom (2025388) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783214)

Dear Sony staffer whose job is to make "Yay Sony! Boo Geohot!" comments on that press release posting:

It's clear from a cursory examination of the comments on that press release that you exist. Does it hurt having your soul sucked out?

Love,
Carson

Re:Dear Sony staffer (1, Offtopic)

CelticWhisper (601755) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783478)

And they're active here too, modding your comment down.

Re:Dear Sony staffer (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35783662)

Or maybe there's actually some people who dislike GeoHot? Don't assume that everyone is on your side.

So... win/win right? (2)

dleemaas (2035220) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783228)

It seems to me that this is the best possible outcome, honestly. Sony gets to keep their closed system (for now) which is, like it or not, what they want; and GeoHotz doesn't get the wrath of some huge fine levied against him, which is probably what Sony would have done if they could have.

Re:So... win/win right? (4, Insightful)

3vi1 (544505) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783300)


>> Sony gets to keep their closed system

Right. Because when Hotz settled, all the keys magically disappeared from the systems of the hackers who had already downloaded them - and fail0verflow ceased to exist.

Re:So... win/win right? (1)

dleemaas (2035220) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783762)

Right, that's what the "(for now)" was about. Companies should realize that they can never "build the best lock" as it were. Someone will always pick the lock.

Re:So... win/win right? (-1, Redundant)

Blakey Rat (99501) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783354)

What about all the donations GeoHot collected for his legal defense when he assured people he wouldn't settle out-of-court? Is he going to give them back?

I mean, no love for Sony, I hate those asses. But GeoHot's scamming people here, too.

Re:So... win/win right? (2)

CarsonChittom (2025388) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783370)

Per an earlier Slashdot comment, unused funds will be donated to the EFF.

Re:So... win/win right? (1)

Overzeetop (214511) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783404)

I suspect that his legal bills may or may not be completely covered by donations (don't know how much he actually collected). A full legal battle would have bankrupted him, almost certainly. I consider this a win, of sorts, and - as someone who donated - would be happy if he turned over any remaining funds to the EFF.

Re:So... win/win right? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35783418)

How much should I donate?
Put it this way, Sony has 5 lawyers, I have 2. I'd like to level the playing field, and really get some hard hitters in there. I have already racked up over 10k in legal bills; donate whatever you feel like. Leftover donations at the end of all this will be donated to the EFF.

Re:So... win/win right? (1)

sadness203 (1539377) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783550)

Like it was said in earlier comment. All the unspent money is going to EFF. So, there's no scamming. :)

permanent injunction? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35783230)

The Horse is out of the barn, now we are going to nail the door shut. Or am I missing something?

Re:permanent injunction? (1)

tophermeyer (1573841) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783620)

Or am I missing something?

Probably something like sending a message to the other horses in case they were thinking about getting out too.

Having an injunction in this highly publicized case might make it easier for them to sue the next hacker into oblivion.

And the comments on the Sony web site... (1)

jgreco (1542031) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783254)

Wow, what a bunch of Sony fanbois.

Re:And the comments on the Sony web site... (1)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783526)

Wow, what a bunch of Sony fanbois.

Well, given that it's a self-selected sample of people who have signed up for a Sony website, and probably have accounts on the PSN, are you surprised?

I mean, if I go onto an Xbox Live forum where I'd need to have an XBox Live account (and therefore quite likely an XBox) ... I would expect fanbois to be all over that as well, and the prevailing belief would be that it's the Best Thing Ever.

It was never going to be an unbiased group, not on playstation.com -- I suspect if you went on there and repeatedly bashed the Playstation they'd ban your account.

Re:And the comments on the Sony web site... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35783606)

Really reinforces the notion that a lot of consumers are just dumb sheep who readily believe anything big corporations tell them. To some extent it's quite funny actually. It's also fairly normal. Why do you think so many vote for corrupt, lieing politicians? People are stupid and love to be lied to.

Re:And the comments on the Sony web site... (1)

tophermeyer (1573841) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783652)

Wow, what a bunch of Sony fanbois.

Well yeah. It's an official Sony blog that requires you to be signed in with your PSN tag to post. There would be no reason to go there if you weren't a fan of the products. It's like calling attendees at a Star Trek convention or customers in an Apple store fanbois.

permanent injunction? (1)

softWare3ngineer (2007302) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783264)

obviously this mean that he cant write any more ps3 hacks, but does it also extend to writing about the issues involved. e.g. holtz is never again able to write / talk about anything with the word Playstation in it?

The legal system is not your private investigator (1)

zill (1690130) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783278)

What about all the IP addresses that Sony managed to collect? When will a settlement be reached for that?

Think of the children! (2)

Mister Fright (1559681) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783306)

Sure, it's protecting your intellectual property. But how is something like this protecting consumers? From what?

Bullied into settlement. Nice. (3, Insightful)

erroneus (253617) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783308)

When you have a super-heavyweight company like Sony coming after you, issues such as "merit" simply don't matter as much as how much hurt they can put on you.

Meanwhile, Sony wouldn't have settled so easily if they didn't have something to lose in all of this. I hope our "hero" Geohot was aware of this. It was kind of like our hero, "Lindows" who fought back against Microsoft and won, for the most part, by threatening Microsoft's trademark over Windows. So I have to wonder if anyone else can pick up this ball where Geohot left it. It's not like the secret isn't out.

Re:Bullied into settlement. Nice. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35783502)

If Anonymous was worth a shit, they'd have done something to help Geohot fight the legal battle until he won on the merits, instead of just throwing a tantrum at a Sony server.

Re:Bullied into settlement. Nice. (2)

CarsonChittom (2025388) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783610)

I'm sure there are probably some stand-up folks who are "Anonymous." But I tend to think that for the most part Anonymous lacks the courage of their convictions—if they believed in the causes they trumpet, they would do so openly.

Re:Bullied into settlement. Nice. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35783666)

If Anonymous was worth a shit, they'd have done something to help Geohot fight the legal battle until he won on the merits, instead of just throwing a tantrum at a Sony server.

If Anonymous were composed of adults rather than whiny children (including whiny children trapped in adult bodies), maybe they would have done something other than thrown a tantrum.

What Sony Really Said (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35783316)

[COMPELLED TRUTH=ON]'Our motivation for bringing this litigation was to protect our intellectual property from our consumers.’[/TRUTH]

Pretty nice actually (0)

rsilvergun (571051) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783326)

Geohot doesn't suffer any real financial penalties (I hope) and Sony plugs a leak in a nice way. I'm sure they'll be lots of teeth-gnashing here but overall I think they handled this alright. It reminds me of Bleem. So long as it wasn't a commercial product Sony left the emulators alone. I think people forget the role easy piracy played in killing the Dreamcast. Anyone remember the Famicom Disk System :(.

Re:Pretty nice actually (4, Informative)

chammy (1096007) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783508)

Sony didn't plug any leak. The ps3 master keys don't go away with a ruling by some court. Softmods, homebrew, etc will still continue coming out like they were prior to the settlement. Some people might be scared but others probably still have an axe to grind.

Re:Pretty nice actually (4, Funny)

PRMan (959735) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783594)

I went to Fry's this weekend and asked the guys at the desk for hand sanitizer when I realized that I had accidentally touched a Sony product.

looking for these? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35783330)

erk: C0 CE FE 84 C2 27 F7 5B D0 7A 7E B8 46 50 9F 93 B2 38 E7 70 DA CB 9F F4 A3 88 F8 12 48 2B E2 1B
riv: 47 EE 74 54 E4 77 4C C9 B8 96 0C 7B 59 F4 C1 4D
pub: C2 D4 AA F3 19 35 50 19 AF 99 D4 4E 2B 58 CA 29 25 2C 89 12 3D 11 D6 21 8F 40 B1 38 CA B2 9B 71 01 F3 AE B7 2A 97 50 19
    R: 80 6E 07 8F A1 52 97 90 CE 1A AE 02 BA DD 6F AA A6 AF 74 17
    n: E1 3A 7E BC 3A CC EB 1C B5 6C C8 60 FC AB DB 6A 04 8C 55 E1
    K: BA 90 55 91 68 61 B9 77 ED CB ED 92 00 50 92 F6 6C 7A 3D 8D
  Da: C5 B2 BF A1 A4 13 DD 16 F2 6D 31 C0 F2 ED 47 20 DC FB 06 70

Re:looking for these? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35783438)

My eyes! The goggles! They do NOTHING!

Re:looking for these? (2, Funny)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783534)

Mod parent down. There's no point in modding it up, because now that Sony has 'achieved [its] goal' no one will possibly be able to read the parent post nor make use of its contents, no matter how high it is moderated.

Re:looking for these? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35783720)

Heh... "Achieved it's goal" is to try to make an EXAMPLE of GeoHot- which they only sort of succeeded at.

Re:looking for these? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35783638)

Out of date, a patch issued ages to prevent these keys.

Abragsa Jahsmas (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35783398)

jizzaloo wizzaloos cummalo wummalos

Donations (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35783442)

I donated $50 to fight sony, not to settle with them. I hope geohot passes these funds on to someone who has some balls.

Re:Donations (1)

SeNtM (965176) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783500)

I wonder how much Sony gave him...

Re:Donations (1)

blair1q (305137) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783522)

Interesting point.

Probably about 10^6 less than if he'd gone to them before releasing the codes.

I want my donations back (1)

future assassin (639396) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783582)

I was hoping for some serious Sony whoop ass and was willing to donate more but looks like Sony saw the writing on the wall and "agreed to settle" to save face. Oh well back to not buying anything with Sony on it.

I can sort of understand why he settled... (1)

anomnomnomymous (1321267) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783584)

I can sort of understand why he settled: Hell, I'd settle if I realised it would likely take years of my life, if not thousands of dollars to fight.
But still, the rant, as seen on Geohot's site [geohot.com] , still gives me a bit of a feeling of dealing with a hypocrite.

Then again, I'm a big hypocrite for wanting someone else to pursue something, which I would probably also settle as soon as possible.

"settlement"? under duress! (1)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783636)

He got an offer he couldn't refuse.

Intimidation vs. precedent (2)

fprefect (14608) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783742)

I'm sure if Geohot hadn't been so diligent about his methods and avoiding the various license traps, they'd have gladly pushed this through to the bitter end and made an example out of him.

Clearly Sony is happy to use the legal system to intimidate modders, but isn't interested it taking this case far enough to establish a legal precedent that runs contrary their own interests. Must be nice to have deep enough pockets that you can throw lawyers at a problem until it goes away, or you lose interest and "settle".

Congrats? (1)

Chewbacon (797801) | more than 3 years ago | (#35783744)

Seems like a waste of everyone's time. Worst lawsuit EVER!
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