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What comes next (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35808788)

The A6?

Re:What comes next (2)

goombah99 (560566) | about 3 years ago | (#35809230)

A6? you cant get rock hard abs in 6 minutes. it's 7 minute abs.

Re:What comes next (1)

jd (1658) | about 3 years ago | (#35809788)

Don't see ab excercises [wikipedia.org] on the list.

Re:What comes next (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35810678)

Don't see ab excercises [wikipedia.org] on the list.

No, but I do see A6, or A (musical note) above soprano C, the highest note written or acknowledged as musical in classical music - just in case Apple is pining for the good old days when the OS was codenamed Harmony, Rhapsody, etc.

And then when the A7 processor comes out they can have a live event with Avenged Sevenfold (abbreviated to A7x)

Wild Guess... (5, Funny)

MarcQuadra (129430) | about 3 years ago | (#35808792)

The real question now is what comes next.

Here's a hint: It will be faster, and it will probably be called 'A6'. Just a guess.

Re:Wild Guess... (2)

rjstanford (69735) | about 3 years ago | (#35808888)

Or possibly the A5.1, OSX being what it is.

Re:Wild Guess... (1)

MarcQuadra (129430) | about 3 years ago | (#35809184)

2012: "Powered by the new Apple Rattlesnake chip!"

2014: "Powered by the new Apple Cobra chip!"

2016: "Powered by the new Apple Water Moccasin chip!"

Re:Wild Guess... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35809516)

Knowing Apple and the type of user they cater to, it should be called Trousersnake.

Re:Wild Guess... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35810338)

Just hope they don't ever have to resort to "Trouser Snake"

Re:Wild Guess... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35810608)

You forgot thinner

The real question now is what comes next. (2)

wiredog (43288) | about 3 years ago | (#35808818)

The A6 Quattro?

Re:The real question now is what comes next. (1)

M4n (1472737) | about 3 years ago | (#35808836)

The A6-3D Quad Core Infinichip

Re:The real question now is what comes next. (1)

Pax681 (1002592) | about 3 years ago | (#35809460)

the A6 Quad Core Walled Garden - Higher Wall Edition

Awful article (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35808838)

The authors of the article and the editor who approved it should be ashamed of themselves. Five pages saying exactly nothing.

Re:Awful article (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35808906)

If I had mod points I'd vote you up in a second. That was one of the worst written things I've ever tried to read.

Re:Awful article (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35809118)

Ah, ah, ah. Not five pages saying exactly nothing. Five pages of saying exactly nothing about Apple. This makes it far more important and trendy than all the other pages of nothing in the world.

Re:Awful article (1)

oldhack (1037484) | about 3 years ago | (#35809250)

Mod the parent up - I ran out of mod points.

That was five minutes of my life I'll never get back.

Re:Awful article (1)

thsths (31372) | about 3 years ago | (#35809330)

> Five pages saying exactly nothing.

True. But if I also block CmdrTaco, there will not be anything left to read on Slashdot...

And to be fair, usually his stories are at least worth looking at.

Re:Awful article (0)

BitZtream (692029) | about 3 years ago | (#35810192)

And to be fair, usually his stories are at least worth looking at.

That was true a few years ago, now ... not so much.

Re:Awful article (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35811524)

I used to come here for the comments...but you're all getting so bitter :(

Video acceleration (1)

edxwelch (600979) | about 3 years ago | (#35810316)

Not really. The article says that the extra blocks in the A5 will probably be for video acceleration

Re:Awful article (2)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | about 3 years ago | (#35810928)

The authors of the article and the editor who approved it should be ashamed of themselves. Five pages saying exactly nothing.

They did very little work and generated lots of ad views. They should be pumping their fists in the air with the Final Fantasy victory tune playing.

To be fair, here is link with ads (-1)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 3 years ago | (#35808840)

You may want to read the version with ads:

http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4215094/A5--All-Apple--part-mystery [eetimes.com]

To help support the site, as much as I appreciate linking the print view version in it's really not fair to the site owner.

Re:To be fair, here is link with ads (4, Insightful)

DanTheStone (1212500) | about 3 years ago | (#35808914)

It's not the advertisements that tend to make people link to the print version, it's when they spread the article out over several pages. I don't mind advertisements at all, but I hate the online equivalent of turning to several different newspaper pages to finish a single article.

Re:To be fair, here is link with ads (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35809000)

There are plugins that will take care of that for you. Safari has a "reader" button by default that loads all the pages of an article into a single view.

Re:To be fair, here is link with ads (1)

XxtraLarGe (551297) | about 3 years ago | (#35809254)

There are plugins that will take care of that for you. Safari has a "reader" button by default that loads all the pages of an article into a single view.

Safari's reader feature is great, when it works--and it does with this article. Often times, it will only load the first page, or omit graphics, which makes it a little unreliable. Still, I always try reader first before hitting the print version.

Re:To be fair, here is link with ads (0)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 3 years ago | (#35809228)

I wasn't saying that was why they linked to the print version, as much as ethically you SHOULD at least give the site a chance to present ads.

From there astute readers have mechanism to read articles in one block they split across many screens (I dislike that also). But at least give the site one shot at ad presentation.

On a more practical and selfish note if people all over start linking to print versions we will start to see the print versions vanish.

Re:To be fair, here is link with ads (2)

Dishevel (1105119) | about 3 years ago | (#35809530)

Or we will see site operators that do not fluff up a 1 paragraph story to 5 pages then spread those 5 pages out to present you with ads 5 times,
Fuck the operator that does that. I hope their sites fail. That way the cream can rise to the top and the shit heads can starve.

Re:To be fair, here is link with ads (0)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 3 years ago | (#35810268)

That, although overly profane, is actually the best counter-argument to my point I have seen so far, as I don't really disagree with your point and it is making me re-consider my point.

But I would still say that if you wanted to do that simply don't link to them rather than "stealing" (not really stealing but sort of the moral equivalent) from them.

Re:To be fair, here is link with ads (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35811074)

not really stealing but sort of the moral equivalent

Not looking at the ads on a site that does a bait and switch with an article with an interesting headline and absolutely no content is in no way the "moral equivalent" of stealing.

I'm surprised at you, Kendall for even suggesting such a thing. I know you know better.

Re:To be fair, here is link with ads (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 3 years ago | (#35812612)

I'm surprised you lack morals. Go steal candy from little children then instead of stealing impressions from webmasters. At least you can see the crying directly and understand the impact you are having.

I always thought a sense of morality was ingrained. Between my down-moderation on this issue and your response, I realize now that in fact a sense of morality is something you must fight to keep in place, a fight some apparently gave up on long ago.

At least what I got out of this is knowing I'm a damn sight better person than a lot of Slashdot posters and moderators.

I mean, if I'm going to get modded down anyway I might as well speak truth to moral equivalence. Mod away, but you know in your heart something is wrong with re-formatting a site in a link you send to thousands of people.

I think for instance the same thing when I see an XKCD or Oatmeal comic embedded in some other site displaying their own ads. There is no difference here. It is pulling a lot of data down from the server with zero monetary return from the site. I also think it's bullshit spreading out fluff content across several pages; In that case I wouldn't link to them. If I chose to do so I'd do the honorable thing and send viewers to the page the thing was on.

You may have the last response; you'd only steal it for yourself anyway.

Re:To be fair, here is link with ads (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35813036)

You are living evidence that long-term exposure and indoctrination to the Steve Jobs distortion field effect causes severe and irreparable neurodegeneration.

Re:To be fair, here is link with ads (3, Insightful)

MightyYar (622222) | about 3 years ago | (#35808952)

I might side with you if there were any content. The article consisted of some micrographs and a lot of "duh" speculation. I came away with very little new information. It took them a huge block of text to tell me that they don't know what 60% of the chip does.

Re:To be fair, here is link with ads (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35809042)

It's merely a well planted Apple advertisement. A5 is SO powerful, so amazing, that even if you're not impressed with iPad 2, you'd be silly to actually consider an alternative instead of waiting for A6.

We've been seeing a lot of this stuff, lately. I wonder why Apple's so worried that their zombie masses will snap out of it.

Re:To be fair, here is link with ads (1)

JesseDegenerate (936699) | about 3 years ago | (#35810288)

I hate people like you, everything is a conspiracy that apple made against humanity. Hitler was actually a iMac G4 prototype. And i know, apple killed your mother and ran over your dog. i'm so freaking over it. Just use what you like.

Re:To be fair, here is link with ads (1)

Splab (574204) | about 3 years ago | (#35810502)

Perhaps because Apple can't actually supply equipment for said masses - they need to keep them hungry while they figure out their supply chains.

Re:To be fair, here is link with ads (1)

vlm (69642) | about 3 years ago | (#35809052)

I might side with you if there were any content. The article consisted of some micrographs and a lot of "duh" speculation. I came away with very little new information. It took them a huge block of text to tell me that they don't know what 60% of the chip does.

60%... dual core ... what an interesting ratio... build 5 cutting edge cores and as long as at least 2 of the cores pass testing, ship it...

Re:To be fair, here is link with ads (3, Informative)

TheRaven64 (641858) | about 3 years ago | (#35810698)

Not so much. The two ARM cores are pretty easy to identify on the chip, as are some of the other components. The rest is... something. No one cares enough to work out exactly what. Oh, and the two ARM cores are well under 40% of the total die size. The GPU takes up a reasonable amount of space, and then there are controllers for the various peripherals (network, audio, USB and so on), interrupt controllers, and so on.

Re:To be fair, here is link with ads (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35809050)

To be fair, I'd rather not be subject my subconscious to brainwashing... er... marketing.

I understand websites need revenue. I am also a webmaster. I have ads on my website. And I hate them and completely support visitors blocking them. It's a necessary evil, and I don't fault visitors for fighting that evil.

Let the people choose (0, Redundant)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 3 years ago | (#35809504)

I am also fine with visitors blocking ads, though I consider it somewhat unethical as well and so don't do it myself (beyond blocking Flash which at this point is just a usability necessity).

What I object to is someone presenting an article, making the choice of ad and content presentation for the user, and for the site. A site aggregator like Slashdot should let each side proceed using whatever choices they want to make about how to present the article. What Slashdot is doing in theory is pretty similar to overlaying their own ads on another site (since Slashdot also is presenting ads and then giving a link to ad-free content).

And after that? (5, Interesting)

Lunaritian (2018246) | about 3 years ago | (#35808900)

"The A[3+n] processor will be included in Apple iPad [n], which will be released in [2009+n]."

I just saved you the trouble of thinking

Re:And after that? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35809062)

Hey ! Only Steve Jobs is allowed to do that !

Re:And after that? (1)

Lunaritian (2018246) | about 3 years ago | (#35809076)

Oh, by the way, could someone create a clever Perl script which produces an endless stream of news from this? Bonus points if you can make it look like the Apple logo.

Graphics Performance (0)

sunfly (1248694) | about 3 years ago | (#35809018)

As the article noted, using such a huge die was strategic decision to differentiate their products. Have read (too lazy to find right now) that the graphics performance provided on the A5 is not available on any other ARM chip, and therefore not available to any Android tablets.

Re:Graphics Performance (1)

teh31337one (1590023) | about 3 years ago | (#35809154)

A5 uses the PowerVR SGX543 GPU. The graphics performance is pretty decent (much improved over the PowerVR SGX535 used in iPhone 3gs and A4 SoC), and easily bests the Tegra 2. But that's because Tegra 2 is an old chip now, while 543 is a new chip. Apple don't have exclusivity on the chip, heck, a quad core 543 is used in NGP.

A5 is top of the GPU performance heap for now, but it will be bested by newer chips.

Knowing apple.... (3, Insightful)

Lumpy (12016) | about 3 years ago | (#35809040)

In about 2 years a new line of Desktops and laptops will be announced that used the new A10 processor, this processor will be used to get rid of all those ooky older intel based devices by having the new OS not compatible with it. Thus purging the world of the old product forcibly. Just like how those disgusting old G5 quad core towers still linger about now...

Using old hardware makes Jobs angry.... you wont like him when he's angry....

Re:Knowing apple.... (-1, Offtopic)

Higaran (835598) | about 3 years ago | (#35809298)

Using old hardware makes Jobs angry.... you wont like him when he's angry.... Then he wouldn't like what me and my friends did on sunday. We were walking in the mall in Orland Park, IL so just for fun we go into the apple store and change the back grounds on about half a dozen laptops to the microsoft logo, and the homepages to microsoft.com. Yes we are all nerds.

Re:Knowing apple.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35809540)

Joke's on you- all those machines are running Deep Freeze. A single reboot (control+command+eject) and your changes go to /dev/null.

Re:Knowing apple.... (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35809590)

You're not "nerds," just idiots. And those come in all sorts of varieties,

Re:Knowing apple.... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35809852)

Reminds me of the days when I used to do things like that. I was eleven. I gave myself so many laughs!

Re:Knowing apple.... (2)

JonJ (907502) | about 3 years ago | (#35811432)

We were walking in the mall in Orland Park, IL so just for fun we go into the apple store and change the back grounds on about half a dozen laptops to the microsoft logo, and the homepages to microsoft.com. Yes we are all nerds.

Fuck you, you're not nerds. Astroturfers and stupid MS-fanboys maybe, but you're not nerds. Go buy yourself a decent operating system. [freebsdmall.com]

Re:Knowing apple.... (2)

grub (11606) | about 3 years ago | (#35809332)


Apple would be cutting its own throat to move the Mac line to non-Intel chips.

They could include a simulator/emulator much like how Xcode already has. Or embed an A-whatever chip on the boards as a secondary processor for that type of thing.

Re:Knowing apple.... (4, Insightful)

UnknowingFool (672806) | about 3 years ago | (#35809778)

The move to Intel was more for logistical reasons as opposed to a dick move to screw people. At the time both Motorola and IBM had problems supplying Apple with enough CPUs. Despite being a big name customer, Apple was really a small customer (in terms of volume) ordering a custom part for both companies. No one wants to carry excess inventory so when Apple kept ordering more chips the two companies had trouble keeping up. By switching to Intel, the supply of chips would be more reliable because the part was now a stock part. If Apple upped their forecasts and didn't end up buying chips, Intel could sell to one of their other customers.

Re:Knowing apple.... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35811642)

I thought it had to do with the fact that IBM etal couldn't build a low power version of the G5 that wouldn't melt a laptop. Leaving the Powerbook woefully underpowered compared to competing windows machines.

Re:Knowing apple.... (1)

painandgreed (692585) | about 3 years ago | (#35811862)

That and that they wanted Apple to take on more and more of the cost of developing new chips which were already lagging behind the x86 ones.Not enough parts. Not enough quality in the parts they were getting. Increasing costs with diminishing returns. They all added up to switching to the same chips that everybody else was using and went from a small customer using custom chips to the largest customer they had in a large market.

Re:Knowing apple.... (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | about 3 years ago | (#35812180)

Mobile chip performance was another reason but the underlying cause was the same. IBM could have competed with Intel on mobile if they were willing to put on time, effort, and money. The main reason they didn't was all of that R&D would be for one customer and a custom part. It wasn't as if IBM could have used that technology for many other customers.

Re:Knowing apple.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35813014)

That and the fact that Freescale couldn't build dual-core or 64-bit CPUs at all. Their 32-bit offerings were not keeping up either, and neither Freescale nor IBM were willing to bend over quite as far as Apple would have liked them to.

Re:Knowing apple.... (0)

Dan East (318230) | about 3 years ago | (#35810362)

In about 2 years a new line of Desktops and laptops will be announced that used the new A10 processor, this processor will be used to get rid of all those ooky older intel based devices by having the new OS not compatible with it.

Using old hardware makes Jobs angry.... you wont like him when he's angry....

I don't think it's very likely that Jobs will be around in 2 years, which regardless if you love him or hate him, will result in the tech industry being a little less interesting.

TFA is pretty clueless. (2)

teh31337one (1590023) | about 3 years ago | (#35809058)

There was however one recent article suggesting Apple implemented hardware video accelerators in the A4.

The comment seemed almost too easy in light of the above discussion. If this is in fact true one might question whether this is somehow associated with Apple's stance on Flash for its iOS devices. However, such an accelerator would have been one of the digital blocks. Does this imply it was also present on the S5PC110?

Yes, Samsung do have hardware video accelerators in their hummingbird processor. It supports mpeg4, H.264, H.263, Sorenson codec, DivX HD/ XviD, VC-1 and the video formats 3GP (MPEG-4), WMV (Advanced Systems Format), AVI (divx), MKV and FLV.

It's a JOKE! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35809162)

The iPad 2 is a friggin piece of shiny garbage. Here is the proof!

http://bit.ly/dI3hcF
 

Re:It's a JOKE! (1)

alobar72 (974422) | about 3 years ago | (#35810290)

What I find interesting about that, is that apple is blamed for not basically revolutionising the Market with every revision of their product. I never heard a reviewer blaming dell that a new product line of notebooks was just lighter, more powerful etc. I find that totally in order . The iPad 2 is a new revision of a well received product. That is totally normal. I think that everybody who expects a revolution from apple every single year has fallen more for the "apple fanboyism" the the so called fanboys :)

possibility: r/t video encoding real estate (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35809172)

Apple is feature set driven, the A5 had to make a deadline, they probably threw silicon at one of the new/"hard" problems. FaceTime comes to mind, the expansion was probably to handle R/T video encoding, size possibly driven in order to avoid someone else's elegant solution (and IP). As long as the yields weren't impaired, this would be a perfectly good decision. There could be some support for network packet movement (for video) as well.

By A6 this should be crammed down via proper (and time consuming) sidestepping of conflicting IP.

Another possibility is Thunderbolt support, we'll know in the next release of iOS.

Re:possibility: r/t video encoding real estate (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35809284)

Unlikely since they already do r/t video encoding on the iPhone4, the iPad2 does not have a higher resolution camera it's doing nothing new.

Bored (3, Interesting)

Tigger's Pet (130655) | about 3 years ago | (#35809328)

I've been a /. reader for over 8 years now and have noticed the change in the type of story discussed here. I keep seeing people saying things like "Why are we talking about FB - this is suppsed to be a techie site and we should discuss techie things". I tend to find myself agreeing with them most of the time.
Then a story like this comes along - which should be "manna from heaven" for Nerds and Geeks and I try to read TFA - only to find myself yawning and giving up coz it's dry, tedious and badly written.
I can't even win in an argument with myself anymore - must be a sign that I'm getting old.

Re:Bored (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35809652)

You might want to give Phoronix a try: dumbed down Linux kernel+X.org & friends + compilers and graphics cards discussion, featuring your favorite Gnome Vs. KDE flamewars, kernel component discussion and why you need (to hate) them. Also some sporadic BSD, Haiku and ReactOS...

Apple's New Plant in Brazil (1)

ColeonyxOnline (966334) | about 3 years ago | (#35809350)

Apple opens up a new plant in Brazil. Production could start as early as November. Perhaps then, we could see the new IPad 3.

Source:
Report: Apple Part Maker Foxconn to Open Brazil Plant [pcmag.com]

Re:Apple's New Plant in Brazil (1)

gnasher719 (869701) | about 3 years ago | (#35809974)

Apple opens up a new plant in Brazil. Production could start as early as November. Perhaps then, we could see the new IPad 3.

Your reading ability seems rather low. The report that you quote says "Apple Part Maker Foxconn to Open Brazil Plant". Foxconn, not Apple. On the other hand, if that is indeed the title of the report, then that is clueless as well. Foxconn doesn't make parts for Apple. Foxconn assembles complete devices.

Re:Apple's New Plant in Brazil (2)

BitZtream (692029) | about 3 years ago | (#35811076)

Foxconn doesn't make parts for Apple.

No, Foxconn makes parts for A LOT of technology companies, not just Apple, and they also do some assembly of devices as well.

I doubt you'll find a motherboard made that doesn't have Foxconn components on it like the back panel ports for instance are almost certainly Foxconn components regardless of who assembled your computer, yourself or Dell.

Re:Apple's New Plant in Brazil (2)

UnknowingFool (672806) | about 3 years ago | (#35810096)

I don't see Apple releasing an iPad 3 just 8 months after releasing the iPad 2. They might release an iPad 2 with more storage in time for the holidays as this would require changing one chip on the board, but not a whole new product. At the moment Apple and their suppliers seem to have enough problems manufacturing enough iPad 2s much less starting a whole new line.

How fast? (1)

DesScorp (410532) | about 3 years ago | (#35809370)

Since Apple's products seem to be merging somewhat... OS X Lion will incorporate some of the features from the iPad and iPhone... how fast do they think these "A chips" will get? Will they eventually replace Intel chips in whatever passes for an iMac one day? Will we see the day when Apple makes most of the parts that goes into their products themselves, rather than subbing out major systems? Will the PowerPC fanboys that so loudly cried foul! when Apple "sold out" and went to Intel rejoice? Is an ARM-based chip "think different" enough from Intel for their liking?

Security Dongle (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35809532)

The A5 is nothing more than a large security dongle...

A lot of speculation, very little thinking (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35809690)

They speculate that Apple could have added x, y, and z and never bother to look at the functioning iPad 2 to see if there is evidence of it.
Evidence suggests that apple has added hardware acceleration to common routines to improve battery life as the size/weight of the iPad 2 has decreased (implying the same size or smaller battery), speed has increased, and the battery life has stayed the same. This implies efficiency gains, likely in the CPU/GPU. See no reverse engineering required.

Re:A lot of speculation, very little thinking (3, Informative)

UnknowingFool (672806) | about 3 years ago | (#35810184)

The battery is actually slightly bigger in terms of capacity. It is 25 kWh whereas the old one was 24.8 kWh. The battery appears much larger only because it is wider but it also is thinner than the old one. As for the A5, another thing Apple did is to make the cores variable speed. They run at a max of 1GHz but clock down depending on usage probably to conserve power.

Re:A lot of speculation, very little thinking (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35811802)

The battery is actually slightly bigger in terms of capacity. It is 25 kWh whereas the old one was 24.8 kWh.

Much as I'd like to live in a world with battery technology good enough to put a 25 kWh battery in something the size of an iPad, I suspect it's actually 25 Wh. :)

What's next? A tearful showdown... (1)

BearRanger (945122) | about 3 years ago | (#35811682)

Between A5 and its creator, Steve Jobs, who had to audacity to impress his own memory engrams on the new chip. Due to his ongoing "personal issues" the chip became unstable and slaughtered its opponents Motorola, Samsung, and RIMM. Jobs will remind A5 of how great they both are before playing dead and waiting for HP to join the fray...

Jobs also made a point of sending his regards to Captain Dunsel. AKA Steve Ballmer.

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