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First Post (4, Funny)

digitac (24581) | about 3 years ago | (#35813466)

From Friday, April 15, 2011. PS, gas prices went up again.

Re:First Post (1)

electron sponge (1758814) | about 3 years ago | (#35813486)

Or to be more locally relevant to the story at hand:

  • Pollution still sucks and Beijing still censors the shit out of us

Re:First Post (5, Funny)

Cryacin (657549) | about 3 years ago | (#35813516)

So the chinese have invented the Frux Capacitor then?

Re:First Post (4, Funny)

rubycodez (864176) | about 3 years ago | (#35813556)

They actually stole the plans and modified them, along with the ones for their riced-up DeRorean.

Re:First Post (2)

RightwingNutjob (1302813) | about 3 years ago | (#35813792)

No, they got the plans for a bunch of pinball machine parts by mistake.

Re:First Post (1)

bornagainpenguin (1209106) | about 3 years ago | (#35814924)

No, they got the plans for a bunch of pinball machine parts by mistake.

Amazingly they were still able to manufacture a Derorean anyhow. Too bad it can't seem to hit above 60 mph without starting to lose bits and pieces...

Re:First Post (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35815130)

Re: your sig:

Reality: The realization that feminism and misogyny are now virtually indistinguishable by misogynists.

Fixed that for you.

Re:First Post (1)

teh kurisu (701097) | about 3 years ago | (#35815642)

Too bad it can't seem to hit above 60 mph without starting to lose bits and pieces...

I hear the number plates fall off all the time.

And 60 mph is an achievement for a Northern Ireland built DeLorean, a sports car that can be chased down by two Libyans in a VW Van.

No. (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35813694)

Their top researchers are too busy trying to figure out why ridiculous foreigners don't seem to comprehend that their language does, in fact, contain an 'L' sound.

Re:No. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35813776)

Their top researchers are too busy trying to figure out why ridiculous foreigners don't seem to comprehend that their language does, in fact, contain an 'L' sound.

and it is used anytime the english character "r" is spoken.

Re:No. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35813790)

Their top researchers are too busy trying to figure out why ridiculous foreigners don't seem to comprehend that their language does, in fact, contain an 'L' sound.

Yeah - I heard an early field test to see if someone was Chinese or Japanses in WW2 (to distinguish between friendly Chinese and japanese spies in the northern territory in Australia at the time) was to ask them to say "fried rice and lollipops". The answer would be either "fly lice and lollipops"- (chinese) or "Fri rice and rorri-pops" - (Japanese).

As for myself, I find it really hard to get the Japanese ra, re, ri,ro and ro sounds right when speaking Japanese - Im sure it sounds equally butchered. It's just what you get used to with your language sounds growing up, I guess.

Re:No. (1)

orkysoft (93727) | about 3 years ago | (#35813908)

It's just what you get used to with your language sounds growing up, I guess.

The phonemes of your native language are what your brain's speech recognition center is trained to recognize, and if an unrelated language has some subtly different phonemes, they can be really hard to distinguish, or reproduce.

Re:No. (1)

readin (838620) | about 3 years ago | (#35814346)

Checking for Japanese using a simple test like that has some sense, but testing for "Chinese" at that time with a simple test makes little sense because the Chinese spoke so many different languages at the time ("Chinese" is like "European" except that Europe was rarely united under a single tyrant the way China often was).

Also, Taiwan was still part of Japan during WWII and many Taiwanese had Chinese ancestry and spoke the same language as people from Fujian province so a Japanese spy from Taiwan could easily pass for Chinese.

Re:First Post (1)

VanGarrett (1269030) | about 3 years ago | (#35814032)

L-R is a Japanese thing. In Chinese, it's R-W. Or so I've been told.

Re:First Post (2)

readin (838620) | about 3 years ago | (#35814360)

"Chinese" is more complicated than that. First, there are many languages of China. Second, the official language (Mandarin) has far more sounds than Japanese. It is comparable to English in the number of sounds available - including a sound like an L and a couple sounds that resemble and R.

Re:First Post (1)

Appolonius of Perge (961983) | about 3 years ago | (#35814806)

(Mandarin) Chinese actually has a pretty restricted set of sounds, IMO (I speak it), but the raw consonants cover a lot of what English has, although it lacks a "th" or a "v" sound. Most of the awkwardness comes from the fact that it has a very restricted set of valid syllables, with no final consonants other than "ng," which makes it really hard for native Chinese speakers to pronounce western words with final consonants, and particularly consonant clusters. "Stockholm" is rendered as si-de-ge-er-mo in an attempt to cover all the consonants (and mapping er to ol because there's no final l).

Re:First Post (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35814436)

Mandarin has an initial L sound, but no final L sound. So a Mandarin speaker generally has no trouble distinguishing between "rice" and "lice", but finds it impossible to say the word "squirrel". For endless amusement, tell a Mandarin speaker to say "ell", then "luh".

Re:First Post (1)

readin (838620) | about 3 years ago | (#35814494)

Or ask a Japanese speaker to say "world".

When I was teaching in Taiwan I tried to teach a couple of older ladies (in their 60s now) their ABCs. They natively spoke Taiwanese of course (and at least one of them spoke Hakka natively too), but when Chiang Kai-shek showed up he made everyone learn Mandarin Chinese. I found interesting (and frustrating) that these ladies had no problem with the initial S sound for words like "Song"(not the music but the dynasty) and "san" (3) or even the mid-word S in "Cheesuu" (Cheese by someone who can't do a final S), but they could not say the letter "C". It always came out "she". All these years later and I still don't understand it.

The Japanese language is similar in that their S sounds are sa, shi, su, se, so. I don't know how much trouble Japanese people have saying "si" (C).

Re:First Post (1)

dominious (1077089) | about 3 years ago | (#35815494)

"si" and "so" are not the same sounds. Try "si" and think how your mouth moves, and then try "so" and see how your mouth moves.

Or they just play a practical joke :)

Re:First Post (1)

irving47 (73147) | about 3 years ago | (#35814728)

Chances are they stole the formula for the electrolyte. So when they travel in time, the capacitor starts leaking all over the time vehicle and they have little chance of returning.

(This might be just a little obscure even for slashdot. Google "Capacitor plague")

Re:First Post (1)

Meski (774546) | about 3 years ago | (#35814872)

Assume you had a working time machine, how would you deal with spares? Move from present to past, dropping a parts depot every 5 years or so? You'd need to make them rather secure, to prevent the natives from getting the technology prematurely...

Re:First Post (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35815440)

Chances are they stole the formula for the electrolyte. So when they travel in time, the capacitor starts leaking all over the time vehicle and they have little chance of returning.

(This might be just a little obscure even for slashdot. Google "Capacitor plague")

Woo! An obscure reference I recongnise! I feel special!

Re:First Post (1)

Bahamut_Omega (811064) | about 3 years ago | (#35813754)

Great, where's your local time lord when you need him? On the other hand; Imajin will be taking over China any day now.

It's not paradoxical at all but... (4, Interesting)

xMrFishx (1956084) | about 3 years ago | (#35813476)

I wonder if the Chinese traveled back in time to tell themselves to ban talking about time travel because it was possible. Will this prevent the discovery of time travel so that they can not warn themselves? The plot thickens...

Re:It's not paradoxical at all but... (1)

Psychotria (953670) | about 3 years ago | (#35813892)

I wonder if the Chinese traveled back in time to tell themselves to ban talking about time travel because it was possible. Will this prevent the discovery of time travel so that they can not warn themselves? The plot thickens...

Yes, that was my first thought also! The Chinese in the year 2096 discovered time travel. Upon discovering this and inventing a workable time machine, Emperor Chian `xon Choue's first reaction was to send emissaries back in time to have a chat and ban talking about time travel. This way the future Chinese could have the secret all to themselves; except that they forgot what the secret was in the alternate reality and now the details of the meeting are lost because although it happened it never happened. So simple it's brilliant!

Re:It's not paradoxical at all but... (3, Funny)

Walt Dismal (534799) | about 3 years ago | (#35813996)

Speaking to you from 2075 to let you know their ban was an utter failure. Also. Chinese take-out is still popular in regions where the Tsunami of 2040 didn't wipe out coastal populations. And the Internet has been replaced by the much better GkKLdfv^(0--18X... transmission interrupted by tachyon flux...

Re:It's not paradoxical at all but... (1)

FunkyRider (1128099) | about 3 years ago | (#35814202)

You stupid fake, 'the Big Tsunami' in 2040 actually wiped out the entire US west coast.

Re:It's not paradoxical at all but... (2)

Walt Dismal (534799) | about 3 years ago | (#35814336)

Well darn - I didn't want to alarm anyone! Pssst - buy beachfront property in Nevada now before the price rises.

Cunning Chinese Plan (1)

Roger W Moore (538166) | about 3 years ago | (#35814810)

The plot thickens...

Ever noticed that we seem to be getting more and more lawyers and fewer and fewer physicists? This is a very cunning plan by the Chinese to fix this. You pass the laws of physics as actual legislative laws and, by the time all those lawyers graduate law school they are actually trained as physicists. By this time next week 3x10^8 m/s won't be just a good idea it really will be the law!

scifi (3, Funny)

Weezul (52464) | about 3 years ago | (#35813480)

If you outlaw scifi then only criminals will have scifi,
meaning only criminals will go on to study physics.

Re:scifi (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35814330)

Because only lonely, virgin nerds go on to study physics.

Re:scifi (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35814696)

is this a trick question?

I actually (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35813496)

I actually read Chinese Sensors Crack Down on Time Travel ............my hopes were dashed.soon

NOooooooooo (2)

ae1294 (1547521) | about 3 years ago | (#35813518)

I was just getting ready to jump into my time machine and go back to kill Sun Yat-sen. How could they have known?

O... wait...

Wrong Target (1)

Lead Butthead (321013) | about 3 years ago | (#35814256)

I was just getting ready to jump into my time machine and go back to kill Sun Yat-sen. How could they have known?

You know, other than some rather sordid and scandalous private affairs, Dr. Sun was alright. Now if we're talking about Glorious Chairman Mou or Messianic Generalissimo Chiang, I am all for it.

Re:Wrong Target (2)

ae1294 (1547521) | about 3 years ago | (#35814996)

I was just getting ready to jump into my time machine and go back to kill Sun Yat-sen. How could they have known?

You know, other than some rather sordid and scandalous private affairs, Dr. Sun was alright. Now if we're talking about Glorious Chairman Mou or Messianic Generalissimo Chiang, I am all for it.

He rapes my wife three years from now...

Really Slashdot?!? Really? (5, Informative)

cosm (1072588) | about 3 years ago | (#35813544)

Another Samzenpus FacePalm. The /. title is seriously misleading. FTA:

With the way things are run, the state controls and monitors everything shown on your television or your computer. So yeah, China can randomly go back in time and say Marty McFly never existed. Scary, huh? The Doc would be furious. Fortunately, that's not what they're saying. But somehow the government has taken a sudden disliking to the idea of distorting certain historical events, things and people. (Cough.) ....The decision was made earlier this month, with the country's State Administration for Radio, Film & Television stating that "The producers and writers are treating the serious history in a frivolous way, which should by no means be encouraged anymore." What's wrong with these shows? They “casually make up myths, have monstrous and weird plots, use absurd tactics, and even promote feudalism, superstition, fatalism and reincarnation.”

So time travel comes in because the article decided to link the concept of time-travel to television and movies that convey alternative histories (Which, to the pedants, can include time-travel). But it the main theme discussed is regarding misrepresenting history. Nowhere does it say sitting in your back-yard and working on that warp-drive is verboten. It seems to me they want to cut down on media that strays from the government dictated and allowed 'historical context'. Far from a ban on time-travel. Censorship...Yes...Sensationalist...Unfortunately.

1984 (1)

sakdoctor (1087155) | about 3 years ago | (#35813624)

This is just a historical revisionism / always at war with Oceania / business as usual thing.
They even bothered to get a picture of the Delorean to go with the extremely tenuous headline.

Re:Really Slashdot?!? Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35813678)

You mean like stories where some one goes back in time and swaps Henry Ford for Mao and now China is 15 trillion in debt to the US?

Re:Really Slashdot?!? Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35813688)

fatalism and reincarnation

Children stories by Chan Buddhists are clearly the main target of this opinion of the administration. The culture revolution takes another step forward in destruction of Chinese culture before the retirement of the children of that revolution..

Re:Really Slashdot?!? Really? (2)

quenda (644621) | about 3 years ago | (#35813760)

Seems more like they have had a run of bad "historical" dramas using a cliched and awkward plot device.
The TV bosses have published guidelines to discourage more.

If the BBC director sent out a memo saying, "Please, for the love of God, no more airport documentaries, serial-killer dramas, or home make-overs.", would we get the same response on /.?

Re:Really Slashdot?!? Really? (1)

ShakaUVM (157947) | about 3 years ago | (#35813920)

>>Seems more like they have had a run of bad "historical" dramas using a cliched and awkward plot device.

Hmm? TVB's Step Into the Past series was pretty good, and even though it was a Hong Kong production, received a lot of support from the Beijing government in producing it in mainland China.

The plot of it is about a police officer that discovers a terra-cotta warrior that looks like him (hey, foreshadowing), and then time travels to the past to make sure the Qin win like they're supposed to. It's not a bad series, though I've only watched about the first half of it.

But anyway, my point is that Beijing obviously doesn't hate time travel dramas in general. Though there is a huge gaping hole of sci-fi in Chinese pop culture.

Re:Really Slashdot?!? Really? (2)

braindrainbahrain (874202) | about 3 years ago | (#35814126)

It's a good thing we (or some of us) live in the enlightened USA. In the US, we would never allow a law that forbade the interpretation of history and our collective past. Except for Florida [infoshop.org], that is.

Re:Really Slashdot?!? Really? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35814138)

Of course, it doesn't help if TFA is also totally wrong.
Chinese text from the original announcement:

If you understand Chinese, it doesn't mention time travel or history at all. The confusion comes from the term , when used in certain context, can mean time travel. But in general it just means travel to a different world. In the context here, it means to travel to a mythological world.

The are no mentioning of bans neither, it's just the dudes at State Administration for Radio, Film & Television doesn't like this particular show because it doesn't match their values and tell people to make better ones.

Re:Really Slashdot?!? Really? (0)

oldmac31310 (1845668) | about 3 years ago | (#35814378)

Exactly. And this dickishness just served to encourage the 'ha ha the Chinese are so stupid they can't even pronounce letters properly' idiots. Seriously, /. can be so lame sometimes.

Alternative history (4, Insightful)

Kell Bengal (711123) | about 3 years ago | (#35813552)

It seems to me that their real fear is people latching on to the idea that things could ever have worked out differently. If people explore alternative histories and conjecture what would have happened if the ruling regime didn't come to power, how things might have been changed... perhaps for the better.

Better to nip those flights of fancy in the bud and keep everyone's horizons nicely blinkered and focused on the factory assembly line.

Re:Alternative history (4, Interesting)

vivian (156520) | about 3 years ago | (#35813804)

No I think the real problem is they want to maintain their monopoly on making up history. If someone else starts doing it too, people might start getting the idea that perhaps all history they read isn't quite as true as they currently think it is.

Re:Alternative history (1)

readin (838620) | about 3 years ago | (#35814400)

Excelly point. Also they don't want people looking at the past and discoving that what they've been told is full of lies. And they don't want people looking at what the CPC did to destroy so much of China and kill so many Chinese people. Nor would they want people looking at the history of China's relationship with Taiwan and discovering that maybe Taiwan isn't part of Taiwan after all. Nor would they want people realizing that China has a history (both past and current) of imperialism just like the British whom they so love to hate.

Re:Alternative history (1)

readin (838620) | about 3 years ago | (#35814414)

Excellent point. Also they don't want people looking at the past and discovering that what they've been told is full of lies. And they don't want people looking at what the CPC did to destroy so much of China and kill so many Chinese people. Nor would they want people looking at the history of China's relationship with Taiwan and discovering that maybe Taiwan isn't part of China after all. Nor would they want people realizing that China has a history (both past and current) of imperialism just like the British whom they so love to hate.

(yes, I know this is nearly an exact copy of my previous post, but I didn't have the good sense to preview that one :P)

In Capitalist China, Time Travel is Banned. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35813558)

I think I smell the birth of a new meme.

Choice examples (2)

Ol Biscuitbarrel (1859702) | about 3 years ago | (#35813606)

A favorite SF story of mine is Walter Jon Williams's "Foreign Devils," which was part of an anthology of stories taking place in the setting of HG Wells's War of the Worlds, but taking place in other parts of the world. WJW's contribution depicted the reaction of China's royalty to the tripods etc. Not time travel per se but definitely cast the Chinese court in a less than favorable light.

That's as close as I can get to a story which might draw ire from the PRC; any others? According to TFA they're down on stories which “casually make up myths, have monstrous and weird plots, use absurd tactics, and even promote feudalism, superstition, fatalism and reincarnation.” All of those at once sounds quite entertaining, actually.

Re:Choice examples (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35813794)

A favorite SF story of mine is Walter Jon Williams's "Foreign Devils," which was part of an anthology of stories taking place in the setting of HG Wells's War of the Worlds, but taking place in other parts of the world. WJW's contribution depicted the reaction of China's royalty to the tripods etc. Not time travel per se but definitely cast the Chinese court in a less than favorable light.

That's as close as I can get to a story which might draw ire from the PRC; any others? According to TFA they're down on stories which “casually make up myths, have monstrous and weird plots, use absurd tactics, and even promote feudalism, superstition, fatalism and reincarnation.” All of those at once sounds quite entertaining, actually.

I don't like the bible either.

Re:Choice examples (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35814964)

Jade Empire (the video game) pretty much manages all of those from what I remember.

must be nice (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35813650)

to have someone like the US dumping billions into your pocket, then you can come up with crazy shit all day long cause you do not have a real concern anymore

How about disrespectful to its present government (1)

presidenteloco (659168) | about 3 years ago | (#35813662)

A government that does not tolerate free speech, including art that for example ridicules certain aspects of culture or history, is simply telegraphing the weakness of its power over its people, and the tenuousness of its legitimacy.

True power comes from the willing consent of the people.

Power that comes from applying the heels of jackboots is oh so shallow and fragile.

Re:How about disrespectful to its present governme (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35815444)

>True power comes from the willing consent of the people.

"(True) Power grows out of the barrel of a gun". --Mao Zedong (paraphrase)

Oh quit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35813664)

sucking the Chinese dicks. Please, they are not worth it.

Re:Oh quit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35814096)

What's wrong? Wasn't as fulfilling as you thought it would be?

in soviet Russia We remove people from time! (2, Funny)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | about 3 years ago | (#35813690)

in soviet Russia We remove people from time!

Re:in soviet Russia We remove people from time! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35814018)

If your going to do this, you need to have the title "In Soviet Russia .."

then in the body you have "we remove people from time!"

Now please go back and correct this.
thx

It's because China was founded by Biff from BTTF (1)

Timmy D Programmer (704067) | about 3 years ago | (#35813712)

Yep, he stole Marty McFlys time machine and conquered China long long ago. (or at least he will SOON?!!)

*Cough* (1)

anomaly256 (1243020) | about 3 years ago | (#35813744)

Bullshit. Just because someone tweets something doesn't make it news.

Re:*Cough* (1)

cosm (1072588) | about 3 years ago | (#35813778)

Hah! In this day and age I have completely given up on expecting any sort of journalistic integrity. We have been overridden by Twitterphilia, Facebookitis, and the social internet. The signal to noise ratio shinks every day, with good content on the internet slowly being diluted by every socialite's pingbacksand retweet. Oh Web 2.0, how I long for the Geocities days of yore. At least then you had to manually choose to visit crap like MySpace and the ilk; now it is forced upon us at every corner of the interwebs. I can't even comment on most news sites now because it's all Facebook Connect. End Rant.

Re:*Cough* (1)

sakdoctor (1087155) | about 3 years ago | (#35813840)

Thank goodness slashdot is different.
We have diligent human editors, working hard to make sure none of the twitter/facebook garbage, and digg-style democratically elected non-news, makes it to the hallowed front page.

I agree with the Chinese. (1)

Lord_of_the_nerf (895604) | about 3 years ago | (#35813762)

What would have happened in China if Bill S. Preston Esq. and 'Ted' Theodore Logan never returned Genghis Khan to the past?

Anarchy, that's what.

In Soviet Russia (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35813816)

They crack-down on travel ALL the time.

real history, future stopping here to right things (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35813818)

so we needn't be travelling far. even the much anticipated rebirth of antidisestablishmentarianism won't help the royals & eugenatics now, as we move on now to fatal friday. much less useful than even atharism, these chosen ones genocidal creeps still think they're god. sheesh it's all in the genuine native elders teepeeleaks etchings. the royals remain unrepentant, which is now the title of a feature film featuring their less than human features.

the usual tome;

disarm

leave

now

April 1 agian?! (1)

Neanderthal Ninny (1153369) | about 3 years ago | (#35813824)

or did Ground Hog Day and April Fools get combined now and I'm experiencing April 1 again and again.
Since they have essentially removed most reference of Mao Zedong from their history books now they are going after people attempt to change history. Even though I'm Chinese, but the communist Chinese always make me laugh with with their strange and bewildering policies with their people but their enforcement of certain laws against their are not funny.

Re:April 1 agian?! (1)

Stargoat (658863) | about 3 years ago | (#35814530)

If only it was more like Silvio Berlusconi. Now there is a political entity you can laugh at AND feel good about yourself.

Eschaton (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35813918)

"do not defy causality"

Mental Masturbation (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35813938)

Good for the China! Fictional plots involving time travel are nothing more than mental masturbation.

It's like this (1)

Enahs (1606) | about 3 years ago | (#35814690)

I saw it explained on another website like this, and as I have no access to Chinese television I can't confirm this. Apparently there had been this trend of making programs in which a character would, for one reason or another, travel back in time to Imperial China. There, they would discover that pre-Revolutionary China was...well...pretty nice. This obviously presents a problem for the government since, although they're fairly Western in the business world, their government is still officially "Communist".

how will they (1)

r00b (923145) | about 3 years ago | (#35814754)

How will they prevent their people from traveling to the future naturally?

Re:how will they (2)

plover (150551) | about 3 years ago | (#35814846)

How will they prevent their people from traveling to the future naturally?

They have a time-tested bullet related procedure that's highly effective.

Does that include (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 years ago | (#35814902)

books that paint such a brilliant, detailed, and lifelike picture of history, that while you're reading it, you're taken back in time?

Oh grow up (1)

MoeDumb (1108389) | about 3 years ago | (#35814976)

The more repressive the government the more sensitive it is to cultural 'insults.' The more inbred the people too.

Getting past the censors (1)

bkmoore (1910118) | about 3 years ago | (#35815138)

Maybe China is concerned about filmmakers using time travel to sneak non-state-approved ideas about China's history past the censors. It has nothing to do with cultural 'insults.' It has to do with China wanting to control their peoples' perception of their own history. I watched an East German Propaganda movie once about a condemned village in Bavaria being saved by the workers and farmers standing up to the evil gangster Yankees and the puppet-West German government and Catholic Church. The Americans wanted to bulldoze the village to build a nuclear bomber base. But when one thinks about the film at a deeper level, it could be a critique of the East German Government and their relations with the Soviet Union. The film maker knew he couldn't openly criticize his own government, so he set his movie in the west. I wonder how many East Germans saw the movie and thought that exactly the same thing is happening here, but in the West, the people had the freedom to protest and be heard.
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