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1Gbps Fiber Optic Network For Rural Britain

timothy posted more than 3 years ago | from the saves-on-petrol dept.

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cylonlover writes "Economies of scale mean that densely populated cities have generally been the ones to benefit from the roll out of superfast broadband networks, while those in rural areas have missed out. Following Google's recent announcement that it will build and test 1Gbps fiber-to-the-home (FTTH) networks in selected cities with between 50,000 and 500,000 residents in the US, starting with Kansas City, Kansas, Fujitsu has unveiled plans to create a similar superfast FTTH broadband network for five million homes and businesses in rural Britain to bridge the digital divide between city and country."

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Cost? (3, Funny)

Lunaritian (2018246) | more than 3 years ago | (#35826474)

Here in Finland you have to pay €15,000 just to have a wired connection in some areas.

Re:Cost? (3, Funny)

hcpxvi (773888) | more than 3 years ago | (#35826518)

Darn. I could have got First Post if I wasn't in a rural area of Britain.

Re:Cost? (2)

jimicus (737525) | more than 3 years ago | (#35826980)

Here in the UK the (former) monopoly telco is legally obliged to provide a telephone line anywhere in the country, and IIRC they're not allowed to charge you extra just because you live in the middle of nowhere.

This obligation goes back years - they have no obligation to ensure you can get ADSL over that line. And if you run up something like Firebug, you'll soon discover that pretty much nobody today is developing websites with a view to ensuring they're useable over dialup.

I daresay you might get away with dialup if you use NoScript, block images, flash etc. But I wonder how many useable websites will be left if you do that?

Re:Cost? (1)

xaxa (988988) | more than 3 years ago | (#35827042)

From the article:

However, the plan is dependent on BT Openreach meeting the conditions imposed by the independent communications regulator Ofcom that it provide access to its underground ducts and telegraph poles "on fair, reasonable and non-discriminatory terms."

So it's not just end-users the former monopoly is obliged to provide service for.

Re:Cost? (1)

isorox (205688) | more than 3 years ago | (#35828210)

I daresay you might get away with dialup if you use NoScript, block images, flash etc. But I wonder how many useable websites will be left if you do that?

http://m.website.com/ [website.com]

geocities web developers were the best (1)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | more than 3 years ago | (#35829572)

And this is why Geocities web devs were the best. They almost always provided a lo-fi and hi-fi version of their content. They look out for their customers.

Re:Cost? (1)

AmiMoJo (196126) | more than 3 years ago | (#35854454)

they have no obligation to ensure you can get ADSL over that line

I wish they would do something about that. There must be a lot of people whose lines either get pathetic speeds or can't use ADSL at all, even though they live in a city. My line is like that but there won't be any fix until BT decides to roll out FTTC in my area. All the focus is on rural areas but there are plenty of black spots in urban areas too.

Re:Cost? (1)

jimicus (737525) | more than 3 years ago | (#35854508)

If you're in an urban area and the problem is the line itself rather than the route it has to take to get to the exchange, order a second line then have the first disconnected ;)

Ingenious plan... (2)

faulteh (1869228) | more than 3 years ago | (#35826482)

Like the rollout to rural areas of the NBN in Australia, smart and powerful people are rolling out fast FTTH broadband so IT people can live the dream, move to the farm and give up on the city rat race. You don't need to live in the inner city to write code.

At least until the apocalypse.

Re:Ingenious plan... (1)

commlinx (1068272) | more than 3 years ago | (#35826502)

I'd never thought about it that way. I thought it was all about the tech community giving a little fiber to those that give us fibre.

Re:Ingenious plan... (1)

Freaky Spook (811861) | more than 3 years ago | (#35826932)

When you think about it, it does make sense.

Rural towns can suddenly become attractive to businesses looking to expand their IT Infrastructure.
Land prices are cheaper for data centres, Rent/Property is cheaper for employees and there is a decent quality of life.

A National/Multi-National can put their IT Centre out of a city without the massive expense of backhaul.

Ingenious plan... to ruin my retirement plans. (4, Funny)

hey! (33014) | more than 3 years ago | (#35826950)

Which went like this:

I'd buy a dilapidated old gamekeeper's hut high up on the moor. Every morning, fortified by a heart-stopping fry-up I'd pull on my Wellies, don my tweed coat and cap, and grab my blackthorn walking stick for brisk walk down the moors to the village pub, we're I'd hear the news. Hour after hour, pint after pint I'd join in the general complaining about the state of the government, the weather, and the livestock. I'd then make my tipsy way back to my hut, falling exhausted into bed for nine hours or so of dreamless sleep, then wake up and do it again. This would go on until one day I drunkenly wandered into the fatal mire on the way home. Then, as I was sucked down to be preserved as a curiosity for future generations of archaeologists, I'd pull out my emergency hip flask of gin. I'd pour a stiff shot into the chrome flask cap, then toast a life of dogged utility crowned by one brief, glorious interlude of useless, low-tech pleasure.

Now I know I'll never get down to the pub, because I'll be checking Slashdot "before I go out". Soon I'd be ordering liquor off the Internet, because "it was more convenient". I might as well spend my declining years back here in the States in a high rise apartment block.

Re:Ingenious plan... to ruin my retirement plans. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35828844)

That's ok - the village pub went out of business after the smoking ban anyway.

And the 'fatal mire' (we'd call it a bog or marsh though :s) would've been dredged, flattened and turned into a tesco's superstore - or an ikea [shudder /]

Re:Ingenious plan... to ruin my retirement plans. (1)

Alioth (221270) | more than 3 years ago | (#35830064)

On a point of pedantry, you are actually more buoyant in any kind of sinking mud/quicksand than in water (because liquefacted mud and quicksand is much denser than water) and it is extremely hard to sink underneath. So even if you were completely stuck and no one rescued you, you wouldn't really get preserved because quite a lot of you would still be sticking out into the open air.

Also if you know how to free yourself from sinking mud, it's usually not all that hard.

BLIMEY !! CAN'T GET DENTISTS BUT CAN GET FIBER ?? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35826484)

What luck these ruralites have, fiber and no dentists.

Re:BLIMEY !! CAN'T GET DENTISTS BUT CAN GET FIBER (4, Informative)

hcpxvi (773888) | more than 3 years ago | (#35826660)

Can we get rid of this stupid meme about the British having bad teeth? It may have been true in the 1950s but an entire generation has been brought up on Fluoride toothpaste since then. As a result the old drilling, filling and extracting business has dried up to such an extent that dentists are desperately trying to stay in business by bleaching teeth to an un-natural #ffffff white, giving Botox injections etc. The meme may come from a Simpsons episode but the British can like the Simpsons without believing that Americans are all made of yellow plastic.

Re:BLIMEY !! CAN'T GET DENTISTS BUT CAN GET FIBER (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35826748)

You tell them yanks, Jeeves!

Niles Bottomworthapoundsurely, DDS

Re:BLIMEY !! CAN'T GET DENTISTS BUT CAN GET FIBER (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35827012)

Sounds more like the germans to me. Don't the english always get on them for their unshaven women? I saw a german once. Hairy arm pits like an italian. She sang "99 ballons". Nena schwarzenwood sounds about right.

Re:BLIMEY !! CAN'T GET DENTISTS BUT CAN GET FIBER (1)

pr0nbot (313417) | more than 3 years ago | (#35826760)

Brits may have good oral health but looking into the average adult's mouth is like staring into a box full of piano keys. We just don't seem to have the culture of paying a lot of money to give our kids braces here; or at least, if we do then there's a generational lag that's preventing me from seeing the results, and it'll get better over time.

It's about the money, but not how you think (2)

Kupfernigk (1190345) | more than 3 years ago | (#35826868)

In the UK dentists only normally fit braces to deal with actual problems, because they can have very unpleasant long term side effects - the FSM didn't design us to walk around with continued sideways pressure on our teeth. In the US, dentists expect to get rich, so they perpetuate the idea that every child needs braces for perfect teeth.

I've been told this by my last two dentists, both of whom have been very good. My present one says he prefers to feel good about his profession rather than promote unnecessary work, and recently spent an hour carefully rebuilding a tooth rather than fit a crown because he "wanted to keep as much of the original as possible, and besides crowns can take a long time to settle down". That's probably why, at well over 60, I still have all the teeth that I had at 18.

Re:It's about the money, but not how you think (2)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 3 years ago | (#35826998)

I read an article a few years ago that suggested that the American obsession with British teeth was due to the public health system. In the UK, dental work of this kind is covered on the NHS (or, at least, used to be - it's getting increasingly hard to find an NHS dentist). If you needed braces, you got them. If you wanted them for cosmetic reasons, you probably got them but most people who could get away without them didn't bother because they were uncomfortable and looked ugly.

In the USA, dental care is expensive. Dental insurance is considered an important incentive for a good job, and is expensive otherwise. As such, having dental work done becomes a status symbol, and eventually the perception grows that anyone who doesn't have perfect teeth is poor / socially inferior.

Re:It's about the money, but not how you think (1)

isorox (205688) | more than 3 years ago | (#35828234)

That's probably why, at well over 60, I still have all the teeth that I had at 18.

After 26 years of drinking cola I can say the same thing. I keep mine in the attic.

Re:BLIMEY !! CAN'T GET DENTISTS BUT CAN GET FIBER (1)

Xest (935314) | more than 3 years ago | (#35827048)

"We just don't seem to have the culture of paying a lot of money to give our kids braces here;"

This makes no sense, dental care in the UK is free whilst you're in full time education, so usually up until the age of 18, and at worst 16, so there's no issue of paying money to give kids braces.

It's only after that you pay, but it's NHS subsidised and there are fixed costs for treatments. The most expensive treatment course bracket is IIRC around £135 and covers things like root canal and other more complex procedures. Most treatments are much cheaper than that- around £30 I believe.

This is also why I don't really understand America's obsession with British teeth- far more people here have access to good dental care than in the US proportionally. Presumably it's something from the pre-NHS days i.e. much of the 1940s or before.

Re:BLIMEY !! CAN'T GET DENTISTS BUT CAN GET FIBER (1)

Inda (580031) | more than 3 years ago | (#35827134)

£16 for the first session
£47 for fillings, root canal, tooth removal.
£204 for the major work.

Re:BLIMEY !! CAN'T GET DENTISTS BUT CAN GET FIBER (1)

Xest (935314) | more than 3 years ago | (#35827780)

Cheers, gone up a bit from when I last had any work done then, but still not too bad, specifically I didn't realise root canal was only in the middle band.

Looked up the full details here:

http://www.nhs.uk/chq/pages/1781.aspx?categoryid=74&subcategoryid=742 [www.nhs.uk]

Didn't realise the treatment course period lasted 2 months either.

Re:BLIMEY !! CAN'T GET DENTISTS BUT CAN GET FIBER (1)

Pax681 (1002592) | more than 3 years ago | (#35827052)

Brits may have good oral health but looking into the average adult's mouth is like staring into a box full of piano keys. We just don't seem to have the culture of paying a lot of money to give our kids braces here; or at least, if we do then there's a generational lag that's preventing me from seeing the results, and it'll get better over time.

erm.. children under 16 or even up to 18 do not pay for dental care. the NHS pays for it.

Kupfernigk is also spot on in what he says too

Re:BLIMEY !! CAN'T GET DENTISTS BUT CAN GET FIBER (1)

Pax681 (1002592) | more than 3 years ago | (#35827056)

*up to 18 if still in full time education...

Re:BLIMEY !! CAN'T GET DENTISTS BUT CAN GET FIBER (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35827508)

Or it's just our crap system. My dentist ordered braces for my teeth when I was a child. It took so long for the follow-up appointment on the NHS that they couldn't fit the braces they wanted, then with the rest of the faffing around, British indecisiveness and lack of proactivity in the medical professional here, I never had any fitted. Thankfully my teeth aren't too bad, but there are still some slightly larger than desirable gaps and angles that encourage plaque formation.

I just got back from a decade living in Canada. Bad teeth in this country are noticeable after N. American living, as is the number of people with halitosis. My brother even suggested to me that going to the dentist every two years was probably over-kill. Thanks, but I've learnt that getting them cleaned professionally every six months makes my mouth much happier.

So yes, things have improved, but they're still not great.

Re:BLIMEY !! CAN'T GET DENTISTS BUT CAN GET FIBER (1)

Alioth (221270) | more than 3 years ago | (#35830152)

Additionally, in the USA there is an awful lot of bad teeth, dentistry in the United States is an order of magnitude more expensive than (private) dentistry in Britain, and it shows especially in rural areas where salaries aren't great and many don't have insurance and people just can't get any form of dental care. (There was even an article a few years back in AOPA Pilot, a flying magazine for AOPA-USA, about dentists who fly around the Appalacians in an ancient DC-3 basically pulling rotten teeth out of the locals).

I've lived in both countries, and I've seen plenty of very bad teeth in the United States in relatively young people.

Re:BLIMEY !! CAN'T GET DENTISTS BUT CAN GET FIBER (1)

jez9999 (618189) | more than 3 years ago | (#35826766)

What luck these ruralites have, fiber and no dentists.

At least they shouldn't have too many digestive problems.

The catch... (4, Insightful)

Nick Fel (1320709) | more than 3 years ago | (#35826486)

...is that they want £500m from the government to build it, which is almost all of the money set aside to provide rural broadband. That may well be worth it (I know people in rural areas who would probably think so), but I'm not sure if it's a good idea for Fuijitsu to have no competition.

Re:The catch... (1)

DeathToBill (601486) | more than 3 years ago | (#35826492)

Also depends on BT offering a decent price for access to existing underground cable routes. BT doing the right thing? Hmmmm...

Re:The catch... (1)

Shimbo (100005) | more than 3 years ago | (#35826612)

Also depends on BT offering a decent price for access to existing underground cable routes.

If they drag their feet too hard, Ofcom will slap them down. At least, that's how it's meant to work.

Re:The catch... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35826716)

Yeah, but it will take Ofcom at least 5 years to slap them, meaning 5 years of foot-draggery and we're still no better off.

Re:The catch... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35826720)

Oh yeah, those badasses at OFCOM never let telecoms companies get away with any shit.

Re:The catch... (1)

xMrFishx (1956084) | more than 3 years ago | (#35827306)

Generally it does work. As far as I can tell, Ofcom have been kicking some of the ISPs into shape over their operation, marketing and business practices. Ofcom is one of the few government regulators I actually have some respect for. I think they were the cause of Local Loop Unbundling in the first place, which opened up a whole lot more competition for BT and Virgin, and made them get their act together - well, they've improved a little.

Re:The catch... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35827516)

... *If* you aren't rural. If you are there are plenty of not-yet-unbundled exchanges around. And, from personal experience, the exchange sitings aren't always that favourable either - it can be a looong way to your nearest exchange, and 10km of copper does nothing for your ADSL.

The latest BT promotion - 'vote for your exchange to be upgraded to fibre' - also sounded great. Turns out that there are exchanges that were deemed too small to vote. *That* didn't make their publicity, funnily enough.

Re:The catch... (1)

InsurrctionConsltant (1305287) | more than 3 years ago | (#35828536)

Fujitsu’s proposal is described (FTFA) as a wholly independent network to BT’s, though whether it’s route-independent as well as fibre-independent is unclear.

Re:The catch... (1)

Mouldy (1322581) | more than 3 years ago | (#35826650)

IIRC, the gov's target was 2Mbps broadband to every household. It's pretty good going if Google can give 1Gbps in the same budget.

Re:The catch... (1)

AmiMoJo (196126) | more than 3 years ago | (#35826814)

The fibre would be open for other companies to use, similar to how BT's lines and cable ducts are open now. I would still prefer a 100% publicly owned network but if it is a choice between that and getting this kind of speed then I'll take the speed.

Even though it is for rural areas hopefully it will spur BT and Virgin to get their fingers out. Virgin in particular need a major backbone upgrade, their service has been degrading badly over the last year. My speeds today are half what they were a year ago.

Re:The catch... (1)

InsurrctionConsltant (1305287) | more than 3 years ago | (#35828508)

This.

Fujitsu’s proposal is to build a second, wholly independent fibre infrastructure that will compete with BT’s. This can only be a good thing. (Assuming the holy grail of public infrastructure is unicorny [stackoverflow.com] for the time being in the UK.)

Re:The catch... (2)

Xest (935314) | more than 3 years ago | (#35826976)

"but I'm not sure if it's a good idea for Fuijitsu to have no competition."

It certainly can't be any worse than BT having no competition which has been the case in the vast majority of the UK for decades now, but I agree it's not ideal.

This said, I'm just about to move to a rural region of South Yorkshire, on first glance I'd be stuck with a crappy 2mbps ADSL Max line at best, just the other day though BT announced FTTC to be installed on the new exchange I'll be on, and apparently the Digital Region project already has fibre there. Here's hoping Fujitsu lay too, Fujitsu fibre would be one thing, but 3 competing fibre providers? I do agree that'd sure as hell be better.

Re:The catch... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35828644)

I'm happy for you.

I live in Europe's oil capitol and there is no fibre here in a population of 250,000. You'd think it would be a priority as business is essential here for the UK economy, but we're stuck with the problems of the further you are from an exchange, the slower it is. No matter what plan i'm on, i'll never get more than 2mps where i am. I'm currently getting 798kps right now.

Fuck BT.

Re:The catch... (1)

RicktheBrick (588466) | more than 3 years ago | (#35827942)

I have an uncle who lives in a rural area in Nebraska. The house use to be the center a medium size farm under his father. He has sold most of it away as has most of his neighbors. He now lives with no neighbors within a quarter of a mile in all directions. The house is very old and his family have all moved away so most likely the house will be demolished after his death or sooner if he and his wife find it too difficult to maintain. I do not think the government should spend thousand of dollars to fiber optic his house for a few years since he is 71 years old and has a heart condition. Even where I live, I have found a house built in a forest area with no neighbors within a 1000 feet. The owners spent over $20,000 just to have a buried electrical line to the house. There is another where the house was built on an island in a small lake. There has to be a density of houses that is too small to bother with since it would be cheaper to buy them and have the people move to a more dense area. As for my uncle, a couple of matches would take care of the problem because after that the land could be converted to farm land. I am sure the electric and phone companies would love not having to maintain the wire necessary to serve just two people.

Re:The catch... (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#35828838)

I'd expect that this will end up like the USPS where the rural voters will whine about having to live with the consequences of their choices and city folks will end up having to subsidize their lifestyle via higher costs to allow for a consistent pricing scheme across the country. That's part of why we have to pay that universal access fee whenever we pay a phone bill.

Just because there are consequences of choosing to live in the middle of nowhere doesn't mean that the people choosing to do so will be expected to live with them. It's one of the consequences of having the House of Representatives be divied up like it is.

FTTH! (3, Funny)

ThePromenader (878501) | more than 3 years ago | (#35826488)

Ftth! Ftth! Ftth! Ftth! FTTH!

Damn hairball.

Re:FTTH! (1)

clang_jangle (975789) | more than 3 years ago | (#35826850)

Get off my keyboard, you silly cat! Go barf that hairball outside. ***looks at monitor*** Holy crap, my cat has her own slashdot account and her UID is lower than mine?

Re:FTTH! (1)

ThePromenader (878501) | more than 3 years ago | (#35828714)

(cleaning whiskers nonchalantly) Well, I was already here three lives ago, dude.

so news of more glorious victories comes faster (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35826532)

on flammable friday, as it whizz written. still here?

hard to bet on a 3 legged dog in the independence day 5.5 billion, but as we remember, the odds on 'favorite' only 'wins' less than 50% of the time, with no payout to the trusting friendly wagerers (betting our lives every day now, against almost infinite adversarial odds).

it's all in the genuine native elders teepeeleaks etchings. worth at least a grunt & a grimace, if we're willing to die for fictional characters, & imaginary glorifications etc... as presented by our incestuously inbred deities, rulers & highly paid minions.

genuine native elder; ralph; read the etchings (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35826698)

have you read the etchings ralph?

no.

why not?

does it matter?

ok, we wonder how you perceive us now that we're all civilized?

we feel sorry for you & mother earth. what you do happens every once in a while.

what about you, don't you feel sorry for you?

does it matter?

ok, so what's wrong with us?

you're like puppies who are never taught to 'go' outside, & to always be afraid of being kicked again.

aren't you a drunk ralph? did you never kick your dog? don't you feel like poop about being horribly abused by clergy members as a child?

not any more.

ok, thanks ralph. your input should help us decide how to survive like you guys have.

right. you killing all of the wildlife reminds us of how far you've come already.

thanks ralph.

right, we still love you, despite you make us puke.

Really (2)

ciderbrew (1860166) | more than 3 years ago | (#35826536)

Don't they mean UPTO 1Gbps!
Unlimited usage*


*we will read every bit of data and stop anything we don't like.

Re:Really (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35826662)

People will eventually get it, and they'll be stuck with the high cost infrastructure, and low cost subscriptions.

Sweet, but (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35826554)

when can we get this in cities too, such as the one where I live? My £25 virgin connection seems to be far from that.

But which is it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35826558)

1Gbps per household or 1Gbps shared between all the households?

Re:But which is it? (1)

rbrausse (1319883) | more than 3 years ago | (#35826638)

isn't this the wrong question? much more interesting would be the speed of the connection between the "network, which is being built using Cisco hardware" and the existing British internet backbone(s).

Really? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35826618)

Hello, Britains!

I know where this is heading (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35826626)

Soon, as rural Britain discovers the entertainment value provided by LOLcats, Farmville, and Rebecca Black, they suddenly won't be bored anymore. Not being bored, they will no longer desire to work the lands. Crops will wilt, no longer be transported to cities and production will fall 90%, and Britain will be cast into the greatest famine since 1315.

Desperate for food, and with their rural counterparts still clapping their hands and laughing feverishly, city-dwelling Britain citizens will start flowing out of the cities in search of food. They will swarm around farms in hope of finding some left-over crops. Soon the survivors will build homes on these farms, and cultivate crops of their own. With cities left desolated and deserted, the new urban areas will be the previously rural areas. And soon enough, Fujitsu will unveil new plans to provide high-speed broadband to the now-isolated rural-urban areas. It's all part of their plan.

How about some broadband love in cities first (2)

canwaf (240401) | more than 3 years ago | (#35826706)

I live in Cheltenham, UK (a city of approximately 100,000) and my 5 year old flat block has over 150 units in it; but due to anti-competitive ISP consolidation (and very bad business decisions), companies haven't invested in modern internet infrastructure. I've seen my local exchange. It is a barely manageable mess of copper cables and dangling punch down blocks which isn't due an to upgrade to support ADSL2 for more than a year.

The fastest internet connection I can purchase is a mere 2.2mbps downstream/100 kbps upstream; I had faster internet access 20 years ago when I lived in Ottawa, Canada. Screw the villagers, put the money were the population is.

Re:How about some broadband love in cities first (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35826798)

I didn't know the UK was a region within the US. I always suspected my geography teacher was lying!

Re:How about some broadband love in cities first (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35826806)

Quite funny actually as Cheltenham has a datacenter with a 1Gig connection

Re:How about some broadband love in cities first (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35826848)

Ah, memories of a friend's flat, who in the mid-1990's, before cable modems and mass-market ADSL, they had more bandwidth to their flat than the whole of Australia. I had to make do with 2MBit/s symmetric with no contention. Gigabit connections to the home is possible now, in fact, it was possible well over a decade ago, but it's certainly done feasible to offer that at the prices offered for ADSL. Blowing fibre through ducts and splicing it isn't cheap; having to dig the streets because the encumbent telco (BT Openreach) won't give you sensible access to the ducts is very expensive. * My friend's flat was two doors down the street from an ISP data centre, where he worked.

Re:How about some broadband love in cities first (1)

teh kurisu (701097) | more than 3 years ago | (#35826982)

It also has GCHQ. You can bet your arse that's not running off a 2.2 Mb/s ADSL connection.

Re:How about some broadband love in cities first (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35826866)

BT will get to the cities eventually, possibly quite soon, but aren't looking to do villages. Fujitsu are targeting the areas BT doesn't want.

Re:How about some broadband love in cities first (1)

samkass (174571) | more than 3 years ago | (#35827360)

Yeah... I'm not sure where the article submitter lives or got their information, but cities are often just as bad as rural areas for broadband and wireless. Its the suburbs that get it first, since they have lots of nice, evenly spaced houses with telephone poles everywhere and a simple hookup. Rewiring a high-rise or brownstone isn't exactly simple.

Pie in the sky (1)

Retron (577778) | more than 3 years ago | (#35826880)

Utter pie in the sky, sadly. £2bn isn't anywhere near enough to bring fibre across the countryside of England, let alone Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland as well.

I'm lucky. I have a 7Mbps ADSL line despite living in the middle of nowhere, simply because I had ISDN installed in the late 90s. BT had to run ne cabling along the poles outside just for me (at their expensive); as a result everyone else around here has a 2 or 3 meg line at best. Elsewhere in southern England, for example in a village a few miles from Reading, you're lucky to get a 1Mbps connection.

ADSL2 may go some way to bringing faster broadband, but that's years behind schedule and I doubt it'll get here until 2020 at the earliest (by which time my 7Mbps line will look quite pathetic).

FTT(rural)H sounds great, but who'll pay for it? BT, being cheesed off, will charge exorbitant prices for the use of their poles and ducts, and it just isn't economically worthwhile to lay 10 miles of fibre cable to serve a couple of hundred people.

I suspect at best this proposal will lead to fibre reaching the outskirts of towns and cities, areas that already have ADSL2, while the majority of the rural population will see absolutely nothing from this - in the same way that large parts of rural England are without 3G phone service, or even a 2Mbps ADSL line.

Hopefully I'll be proved wrong, but as far as I can see there simply isn't the cash available to achieve the aims.

Re:Pie in the sky (1)

Retron (577778) | more than 3 years ago | (#35826896)

Bah, typos - that's what you get for typing away excitedly and not checking more thoroughly! It'll be interesting to see what becomes of this whole plan, anyway.

Re:Pie in the sky (1)

Xest (935314) | more than 3 years ago | (#35826996)

"ADSL2 may go some way to bringing faster broadband, but that's years behind schedule and I doubt it'll get here until 2020 at the earliest (by which time my 7Mbps line will look quite pathetic). "

If it's any consolation my new exchange at the housing I'm moving to had no ADSL2 rollout date, just as my current address has had ADSL2 rollout completed despite being more rural, I was rather dismayed by this when just this week BT announced the new exchange I'll be on is going straight to FTTH.

If you have no ADSL2 rollout date, it seems that it's quite possible it's because you're going straight to fibre. BT seem to only be sticking ADSL2 on exchanges they have no plans to up to FTTH any time soon, so right now it seems having an ADSL2 rollout date can actually sometimes be a curse, rather than a blessing.

I do feel your pain though, ADSL2 is long overdue at our current exchange, we can only get 2mbps at the best of times on ADSL Max, and it's been that way for a while.

Re:Pie in the sky (1)

nOw2 (1531357) | more than 3 years ago | (#35831412)

I do feel your pain though, ADSL2 is long overdue at our current exchange, we can only get 2mbps at the best of times on ADSL Max, and it's been that way for a while.

ADSL2 probably won't change that - it's likely due to oversubscription at the exchange. What's your speed like at 3am?

I have a beautiful ADSL Max connection and can get 7.1MBit/s - the theoretical maximum - but only in the early morning, or at any time when the students leave (I'm in a university town). Around 7pm it drops to 1MBits/s or less. It's been this way for the year and half that I've lived here. BT won't do anything because it's usual over the ADSL Max minimum guaranteed speed, which is just 600KBit/s!

At another property a few miles down the road I can download all day at the maximum speed with not a single blip or wobble, but it is on a different exchange.

Re:Pie in the sky (1)

Xest (935314) | more than 3 years ago | (#35833052)

It's not oversubscription, it's just poor quality lines, whilst the distance by cable is only 2km the line noise is pretty bad and BT wont replace the lines unless they break completely, ADSL2 would boost things a little to maybe 6mbps or so.

Bandwidth is basically an unlimited resource (1)

viking80 (697716) | more than 3 years ago | (#35826888)

ISPs need to differentiate their products so they can get more money from those willing to pay. (like a separate line boarding a plane for business). Unlike water and gold, bandwidth is basically an unlimited resource up to a few GBs-1.
A 10GB fiber is cheap, and a fast router is cheap, but your access is throttled down so they can pretend it is a limited resource, and charge you.

Actually, an optical backbone cable has 768 fiber carrying maybe 128 colors of light at 10GBs-1 each color, so 1 cable would give every house in the entire San Jose Bay Area 1 GBs-1. A single carrier router could terminate this cable, and local 10GBs-1 routers are cheap.
Voila, 1GBs-1 for everyone!

Re:Bandwidth is basically an unlimited resource (1)

jimicus (737525) | more than 3 years ago | (#35827026)

IANAtelecoms engineer, but I have a sneaking suspicion the cost isn't the fibre or the routers. The cost is paying somebody to work out what route the fibre will take, organise all the permissions you need to start digging (Needs to go over private land? Got to approach the landowner. Needs to cross a road? Got to approach the council) - some of these permissions cost money - then you've got to pay someone to actually go out there, dig a trench, lay fibre and bury it - making good any roads you dug up as you're going along.

ICBW but I suspect not every area in the country has the luxury of ducting to push more cables down.

Re:Bandwidth is basically an unlimited resource (1)

Combatso (1793216) | more than 3 years ago | (#35827354)

You are right in some regards, but the only real cost is in the contracts to lay and maintain the cable.. its cheap with fiber as it doesnt decay as easily as copper.. 99% of the run will happen on gov't easments that already cary electric and existing copper telecom, in many of these municipalities, i am willing to bet the municipal gov't will actually pay a subsidy.. Its in their best interests to have the infrastructure laid, its attractive to industry to be able to connect.

Re:Bandwidth is basically an unlimited resource (1)

Custard Horse (1527495) | more than 3 years ago | (#35827488)

Due to the harsh Winter in the UK most of the roads are in dire need of repair: Cripes! [cdm2007.org]

Perhaps the government can provide an incentive to share the cost of digging up the roads and resurfacing. The Highways Department will have to spend the money anyway so it may as well schedule this with the Telcos who will roll out the fibre at the same rate as the roads are renewed.

Re:Bandwidth is basically an unlimited resource (1)

mpe (36238) | more than 3 years ago | (#35828140)

The cost is paying somebody to work out what route the fibre will take, organise all the permissions you need to start digging (Needs to go over private land? Got to approach the landowner. Needs to cross a road? Got to approach the council) - some of these permissions cost money

In the case of BT they don't actually need such permissions, since they were already granted long before BT PLC even existed. (The only exception being the city of Hull.)

Re:Bandwidth is basically an unlimited resource (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35827068)

It is a limited resource though, a fast router may be cheap, but a fast router that can handle 1000's of gb+ connections is most definitely NOT cheap, in fact it is hideously expensive, it is also hideously expensive to run fibre to everyones house.

Call me paranoid... (1)

SharpFang (651121) | more than 3 years ago | (#35826924)

I believe this is just an excuse to provide all the necessary bandwidth for surveilance cameras.
After all rural camera coverage is so much worse.

1 Gbps - still not enough (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35827120)

Of course it sounds very impressive compared to what we are getting now but it still isn't enough to realistically scale into the future. Given the average contention ratio of 50:1 this works out to 20Mbps per person, or half of the bandwidth required to stream a blu-ray movie... if they actually give us the 10Gbps future potential then it will cover current bandwidth usage and some level of the future use... but again short sighted.

Need faster Home links! (1)

leuk_he (194174) | more than 3 years ago | (#35827480)

If the Local link is a 1 Gbyte/sec I need a faster network at home. Otherwise i do not have a good reason to keep my storage local. If streaming from the ISP to my tv is the same speed as streaming it from a local disk, then there is no need to download anything anymore.

So i Needs faster speeds in my home network! 10 Gbit is alreayd there but it is too expesive. Please intel, give us faster LAN at an affordable price.

Everything's up to date in Kansas City ... (1)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | more than 3 years ago | (#35827130)

starting with Kansas City, Kansas,

Dorothy: "And Toto too?"

Fujitsu: "Yes, and Toto, too."

Bzzzt. There is no fiber in the UK (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35827744)

Here in the English speaking part of the world, we're all excited about Fujitsu's other exciting announcement about bringing fibre to rural homes.

Ancient Rome Redux (1)

DaMattster (977781) | more than 3 years ago | (#35829324)

I just saw an excellent program on The History Channel which aptly compared the crumbling infrastructure of the United States with that of Ancient Rome and ultimately concluded that Rome's downfall was due to lack of maintenance, care, and upgrade. It would appear that the United States might meet the same fate as Ancient Rome if we do not upgrade our infrastructure. Cox, Time Warner, Comcast, Qwest, and Verizon all brag about broadband speeds to 40+mbps over aging copper. The only exception is Verizon which uses Fiber To The Home. Cox found a cheaper alternative to bring FTTN which lies somewhere between cable and traditional DSL. Still,it is old fashioned technology kept running beyond its really useful service life. The US was once a technology powerhouse and now England is rolling 1GB FTTH. The major telecommunications companies and their respective investors need to get off their collectively greedy asses, accept less profit, and build out a powerhouse infrastructure that will pay back in dividends and attract businesses and commerce. What small business would actively say, "Wow, 40mbps over copper is fantastic!" when they could perhaps start a small time hosting company or managed services company with an affordable 1GB link to the home. It opens up so much possibility.
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