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New Nintendo HD Console Rumors Abound

Soulskill posted more than 3 years ago | from the control-it-with-your-brain dept.

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pcgfx805 writes "Game Informer has reportedly received word from 'multiple sources' that a new HD console from Nintendo will be debuting at this year's E3. They report on conflicting information regarding the power of the console compared to the other current-gen consoles, but go on to speculate that 'Either way it will offer competitive specifications.'" This year's E3 is scheduled for June 7-9.

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154 comments

I don't care if it's HD (5, Funny)

YoshiDan (1834392) | more than 3 years ago | (#35826066)

As long as they have Mario games I'll piss my money away on it.

Re:I don't care if it's HD (1)

Vectormatic (1759674) | more than 3 years ago | (#35826104)

I'll probably get one for the girlfriend..

The only games on the wii which acutally got me hooked were mario kart and metroid, and that isnt enough for me to buy a console.

On the plus side, this might trigger microsoft and sony to ramp up their next-gen machines. I love my 360, but somehow i wouldnt mind a new machine

Re:I don't care if it's HD (0)

davester666 (731373) | more than 3 years ago | (#35826194)

Should anybody mention something called "The Osborne Effect" to them?

Re:I don't care if it's HD (4, Insightful)

Nyder (754090) | more than 3 years ago | (#35826218)

Should anybody mention something called "The Osborne Effect" to them?

Do you even know what your talking about?

Nintendo just didn't release the Wii, so talking about a better machine coming out isn't going to kill it like it did Osborne.

The Wii came out 5 or so years ago, it's more then time for talks about new machines to come out. Just because Sony & MS thinks they can expand the console lifetime doesn't mean other companies are that stupid.

Re:I don't care if it's HD (3, Insightful)

Cornelius Scarabeus (1914722) | more than 3 years ago | (#35826266)

The Wii came out 5 years ago, but the machine itself isn't much more than a reboxed Gamecube, so it's essentially 10 year old hardware by now.

Re:I don't care if it's HD (4, Insightful)

robthebloke (1308483) | more than 3 years ago | (#35826644)

No, that makes it 5 year old hardware. The i7 is effectively a pentium 1 on steroids, but that doesn't make it 18 years old....

Re:I don't care if it's HD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35826914)

It's more like a Pentium III on steroids.

Re:I don't care if it's HD (2)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 3 years ago | (#35826992)

It is a little more than a reboxed gamecube, the main chips are roughly twice as powerful. I realize that's not saying much, but then, the hardware inside the box wasn't Nintendo's selling point either.

Re:I don't care if it's HD (1)

Vectormatic (1759674) | more than 3 years ago | (#35827600)

but both chips are heavily based on the ones in the gamecube. The wii basically runs a sub-standard evolution (for 5 years time in tech-land anyway) of the gamecube chips, shrink the die, add more cache, clock it up etc..

Not a bad idea if you have a major selling point not reliant upon more horsepower, but rather underwhelming as well

Re:I don't care if it's HD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35829670)

shrink the die, add more cache, clock it up etc..

In other words, instead of creating a brand new architecture, they decided to go the PC route? Sounds like a smart move to me.

Re:I don't care if it's HD (1)

Moryath (553296) | more than 3 years ago | (#35827652)

but the machine itself isn't much more than a reboxed Gamecube

Oblig: it's actually two gamecubes duct taped together [joystiq.com] .

Re:I don't care if it's HD (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35826454)

I only care about this game if it can accurately render goatscapes, otherwise I am not interested. Games in general are moving towards more accurate goatscape rendering, which is an area Nintendo have mostly ignored, and now it is at their peril to continue to do so. Are you listening, Nintendo? This generation's gamers will *demand* accurate goatscape rendering, ignore us and go bust.

Re:I don't care if it's HD (0)

vegiVamp (518171) | more than 3 years ago | (#35826744)

I think you mean goatse rendering. I'm also not entirely convinced I want some.

Word of advice (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35827002)

You've obviosuly never done serious game development if you don't know what goatscape rendering is. Stick to writing .BAT files to print your name or whatever it is you do.

Re:Word of advice (1, Interesting)

Methuseus (468642) | more than 3 years ago | (#35827010)

Makes me wonder why there are no hits on Google for goatscape rendering....

Re:Word of advice (0)

kimvette (919543) | more than 3 years ago | (#35828402)

It's spelled goatsescape, that's why. It's the whole reason the Wii was standard def - they discovered an amazing rendering algorithm using goatse-based graphics (hence the term goatsescape) which would have revolutionized GPU technology everywhere, until they realized that if it were high def then users would be able to see that each pixel is actually goatse so it would kill sales. That is the real reason the Wii is standard def. Of course, at the time they overestimated consumers' intelligence and did not realize that 99% of the marketplace is comprised of drooling mouth breathers who would proceed to connect their $3,000-$5,000 high definition televisions to components using the composite NTSC ports.

Re:I don't care if it's HD (1)

cdpage (1172729) | more than 3 years ago | (#35828876)

Zelda does us is.

wat (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35826070)

wat

Classic slashdot (-1, Troll)

DeusExInfernus (2041722) | more than 3 years ago | (#35826072)

So some random rumours, about something that may or may not happen at some or other time, this way or another...

This is /. front-page how exactly?

Game Saves and... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35826076)

They'd better have backwards compatibility, a quick and easy way for me to transfer my Wii game saves and a damned good Final Fantasy game (stick it, Sony!) at launch or it's not going to work to distract me from my iPad.

Re:Game Saves and... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35826966)

Making you far from the target audience. Owning Angry Birds and Fruit Ninja does not make you a gamer, GTFO.

Re:Game Saves and... (2)

Telephone Sanitizer (989116) | more than 3 years ago | (#35827224)

> Owning Angry Birds and Fruit Ninja does not make you a gamer, GTFO.

Some people would say that owning a Wii doesn't make you a gamer.

iOS has Final Fantasy IV, Eternal Legacy, Infinity Blade, Rage HD, Sonic, Worms, Tiger Woods, Madden and now World of Goo so I'll be busy for quite awhile playing my non-console games. ...And I can use an iPhone or iPad to securely tunnel into my home network to run or stream almost anything on my PC.

Oh, well. Guess I'm not a "gamer" anymore. For some silly reason I feel no sense of loss.

Re:Game Saves and... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35827290)

FFIII. Not FFIV. But the point is valid.

The iPad is taking gamers away from consoles.

It's creating quite a stir. Example:
http://www.gamepro.com/article/features/218531/is-the-ipad-2-a-gaming-console/ [gamepro.com]

It’s no wonder that Mark Rein, vice president of Epic Games, recently told Venturebeat that the iPad 2 is “fantastic for gaming.” Epic Games has traditionally been known for their Unreal Technology and developing the hit Gears of War series for the Xbox 360. But last year, Epic demonstrated their belief in the potential for the mobile platform by producing the visually stunning iDevice bestseller Infinity Blade. Now, other big-name developers have echoed Rein’s early sentiments as other traditional gaming houses begin to take mobile gaming more seriously.

I'm sure it's coming eventually (5, Interesting)

_xeno_ (155264) | more than 3 years ago | (#35826140)

I have no doubt Nintendo will make a next-gen console, and I have no doubt it'll support HD. None of this is really new or interesting.

However, my questions are:

1. Will it support backwards compatibility with the Wii? (I expect it will.)
2. Will it allow save games to be copied off the Wii onto the new console? (AFAIK, this only applies to games with online components, but some game saves are locked to the console.)
3. Will it allow Virtual Console and WiiWare purchases to be transferred?

That last one is a deal-breaker for me. If you can't copy your existing digital purchases off the Wii onto whatever the next-gen Nintendo console is, forget it.

This is one thing that Microsoft and Sony do right: all you need to do to use your digital purchases on a new console is log in.

With Nintendo, you simply can't use them on anything but the original hardware. And if the hardware fails (which has happened to me twice), your only recourse is to ship it back to Nintendo and have them fix it, or lose any downloaded games you may have purchased.

Re:I'm sure it's coming eventually (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35826314)

This is one thing that Microsoft and Sony do right: all you need to do to use your digital purchases on a new console is log in.

Except that it doesn't work like that. The PS2 not only ran all PSX games, it worked with old memory cards and controllers. The PS3, however, originally only had software emulation which didn't work with most PS2 games. Later models (2007 80GB onward) lack PS2 BC completely. The Wii OTOH, is actually a fully operational GameCube and can be used with most GC accessories (including old controllers and memory cards).

ATM though, I'm more interested in the name. My suggestions:
  * Woo
  * WiiWii
  * WooWii
  * SuperWii
  * Wiii (as if they started with W2)
  * Wii HD (has a hard drive)
  * KiWii (has optical motion recognition and can tell Japanese people apart)
  * Wii B (goes to E for future generations)
  * WiiNii (staying true to the current naming theme)

Re:I'm sure it's coming eventually (1)

dingen (958134) | more than 3 years ago | (#35826364)

SuperWii

I love this name already.

Re:I'm sure it's coming eventually (2)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 3 years ago | (#35826578)

It won't have a hard drive, and that's a good thing.

The Wii generates less heat than either of the other two consoles, because, at full bore, it consumes something like 14 watts. The others? 150 - 180 watts. They get HOT. And they're noisier.

They'll stick with flash - just more of it.

Re:I'm sure it's coming eventually (1)

marsu_k (701360) | more than 3 years ago | (#35826818)

RE: noise - YES. I recently got an Xbox360, having previously had only a Wii - I really like some of the first-party titles, but apart from them there's not much to play on the Wii, the 360 certainly has a wider selection and some more "mature" titles. But I was so shocked when I turned the 360 on for the first time. It is loud. Not like "is there a new fan spinning somewhere"-loud, but like "did I just move next to an airport"-loud. I tried placing it inside a wooden cabinet (it has ample space and ventilation in the back), but that causes the whole cabinet to resonate in a very annoying fashion once you start to play something, and the fans are still audible. I do like the games (well, some of them anyway, I don't really care for FPS-du-jour), but the noise is very irritating. I've tried to minimize the noise in my living room, my current HTPC is an ION-based nettop which is practically silent. Using the 360 is like a flashback to the poor student days, when my HTPC was a stock desktop machine with default cooling (and dusty fans).

Re:I'm sure it's coming eventually (1)

delinear (991444) | more than 3 years ago | (#35826854)

The new slim models are much more quiet (in fact if you install the game to the HDD they're almost errily silent), but the original model was stupidly loud - it's baffling that they'd cut corners that make the device almost painful to use without the volume cranked up full. These aren't toys for kids any more, the average age of gamers is mid thirties and they expect a better build experience.

Re:I'm sure it's coming eventually (1)

marsu_k (701360) | more than 3 years ago | (#35826898)

I admit I didn't get the slim model, but it's not the RRoD-prone first model either, something in-between. Oh well, it was very cheap used and already modded (I'm in the minority that I do admit to pirating games, but I also buy the ones that I play a lot, try-before-you-buy I guess)

Re:I'm sure it's coming eventually (1)

kimvette (919543) | more than 3 years ago | (#35828452)

The new slim model is amazingly quiet. The original was frighteningly loud and even for all of the racket the fans made I still ran into the RROD. I modded it with the usual heatsink mod, added a couple fans to the system and got a couple more years out of it. It finally gave up the ghost and the processors need reballing so I canned it and bought the new slim model. It is amazingly quiet. I don't think I've ever heard the fans come on and yet when I check it after gaming or streaming movies, it's only slightly warm to the touch, whereas the original would be hot to the touch. The power supply is also much cooler as well. :-)

Re:I'm sure it's coming eventually (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35829170)

The others? 150 - 180 watts. They get HOT.

When you GUESS the numbers, than say so. PS3 slim consumes 105 - 115 W (tested in XMB (no game running, just browsing and media player and with Killzone 3, GOW 3 and Demons souls).

Re:I'm sure it's coming eventually (1)

Miamicanes (730264) | more than 3 years ago | (#35827422)

WiiTuu

Re:I'm sure it's coming eventually (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35827560)

The PS3, however, originally only had software emulation which didn't work with most PS2 games. Later models (2007 80GB onward) lack PS2 BC completely.

This quote is BS. The original 60GB and 20GB launch models released in Japan and NA had full PS2 hardware backwards compatibility, and the 80GB model released later had software PS2 backwards compatibility. And it was still pretty good with running 80%+ games with no problems (hardly 'didn't work with most PS2 games'), with pretty much every popular game you can think of that would run on it (ones I tried include God Hand, Okami, Final Fantasy X, Devil May Cry games, etc.). It is also possible to transfer games from a memory card to the PS3 hard drive with a memory card reader, though the annoying thing is you can't transfer data back from the PS3 memory card file to a PS1/2 memory card. It was the later models of the PS3 that stopped including any backwards compatibility of PS2 games.

Re:I'm sure it's coming eventually (1)

nedlohs (1335013) | more than 3 years ago | (#35828444)

Except that that statement wasn't talking about game compatibility with the next console generation, but about transferring downloaded games to a new console of the same flavor. E.g. your PS3 gets thrown out the of the 30th floor window when you die for the four hundredth time in a room on some game, when you buy a new one your playstation store download purcheses can just be downloaded to it. Do the same with your wii and your wii store download purchases went out the window with it.

Re:I'm sure it's coming eventually (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35829536)

This is one thing that Microsoft and Sony do right: all you need to do to use your digital purchases on a new console is log in.

Except that it doesn't work like that. The PS2 not only ran all PSX games, it worked with old memory cards and controllers. The PS3, however, originally only had software emulation which didn't work with most PS2 games. Later models (2007 80GB onward) lack PS2 BC completely.

The original PS3 had both the graphics and CPU chip for the PS2 to do a mostly hardware emulation for PS2 games. The European launch saw the version of the PS3 that had only the GPU from the PS2 and replaced the CPU with software emulation. The compatibility rate was actually quite good (over 95% for the fully hardware emulation and I think over 90% for the partial hardware emulation). You could buy an adapter that let you use PS2 memory cards and controllers with the PS3 (I know, I have one). Later models removed PS2 compatibility completely, but all PS3s do a software emulation for PSX games.

You might be thinking of the 360 when you say "software emulation which didn't work with most" older games. The 360's backwards compatibility was purely software based and the compatibility list was fairly small, but even brand new 360s work with xbox 1 games that are compatible.

Re:I'm sure it's coming eventually (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35829940)

Nah it should be the next letter in the alphabet Xii! Which would kinda imply it's the 12th console they've produced....not sure if that would be accurate from a roman numeral perspective.

Re:I'm sure it's coming eventually (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35826440)

of course i will support HD, why wouldn't it? Everything is HD now and not being in HD will surely hurt them more. Releasing a SD console now would be the dumbest thing ever.

Re:I'm sure it's coming eventually (1)

adolf (21054) | more than 3 years ago | (#35826512)

Pedantic, but:

The Wii already supports 480p. This is twice as good as NTSC's standard 480i. It, therefore, is high-definition. (In fact, it is higher-definition than most of the over-the-air ATSC signals that I can receive with my HDTV, which are largely 4x3 480i)

Re:I'm sure it's coming eventually (1)

Danieljury3 (1809634) | more than 3 years ago | (#35826860)

480p != HD

Re:I'm sure it's coming eventually (2)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 3 years ago | (#35826964)

ATSC doesn't mean HD. It is a digital broadcast system that also happens to support HD. I usually ignore the SD content though, most station's SD digitization is horrible.

ATSC HD is 720p and 1080i. 480p is sometimes called enhanced definition, not high definition.

Re:I'm sure it's coming eventually (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35827022)

It's better than NTSC, but 480p still doesn't qualify has high-def. The absolute minimum to meet HDTV standards is 720p.

Re:I'm sure it's coming eventually (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#35828458)

No, the minimum is 1080i @ 30fps. That is only 540p @ 60fps, which is as you can see lower than 720p @ 60fps.

Re:I'm sure it's coming eventually (2)

migla (1099771) | more than 3 years ago | (#35827362)

The Wii already supports 480p. This is twice as good as NTSC's standard 480i. It, therefore, is high-definition. (In fact, it is higher-definition than most of the over-the-air ATSC signals that I can receive with my HDTV, which are largely 4x3 480i)

It depends on your definition.

Re:I'm sure it's coming eventually (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35827620)

No, it's not high definition, it's Enhanced Definition [wikimedia.org]

Re:I'm sure it's coming eventually (1)

delinear (991444) | more than 3 years ago | (#35826876)

People were saying the same thing even back when the original was released. On a side note, DVD sales are still holding up pretty well. If Nintendo made a call that the added cost of HD won't give them a good enough ROI (or to put it another way, that there are still enough people who just don't care that much about HD and these people intersect largely with the target audience) then certainly they'd drop it. However, it's likely too useful a marketing tool these days, even used to sell phones.

Re:I'm sure it's coming eventually (0)

RogueyWon (735973) | more than 3 years ago | (#35826546)

Those are valid questions, but there is one that is even more crushingly important:

Are Nintendo prepared to swallow their pride and do whatever it takes to get a large number of decent third party developers properly committed to the system?

In other words, are they doing all they can to ensure that we don't end up with an N64/Gamecube/Wii situation where by 2 years after launch, the system settles into a cycle of "first party game every 6 months, nothing else of note in the interim"? This would require a pretty big culture shift from the company, with them easing up on some of their paternalist control-freak tendancies and actually trying to get at least parts of the rest of the industry to like them.

Nintendo probably do need to get another console out there, but unless they can actually get the games they need to sell the thing (and first party alone won't cut the mustard), they risk it becoming the next Dreamcast (which is what happened the last time sombody tried to jump ahead of the cycle).

Re:I'm sure it's coming eventually (1)

walshy007 (906710) | more than 3 years ago | (#35826916)

In other words, are they doing all they can to ensure that we don't end up with an N64/Gamecube/Wii situation where by 2 years after launch, the system settles into a cycle of "first party game every 6 months, nothing else of note in the interim"?

errr.. where have you been the last five years? The wii has so many third party titles it's ridiculous, that most of them are absolute crap makes little difference since the same thing happened with the ps2. The most popular system gets the most games good and bad.

Re:I'm sure it's coming eventually (1)

RogueyWon (735973) | more than 3 years ago | (#35827168)

No, the Wii has low-quality shovelware (which I don't even count, given that 90% of these titles are just bad party games) and first party titles and almost nothing in between, barring a few highly stripped down cash-ins for the big franchises. The PS2 had Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid and pretty much every other big cross-platform franchise. Yes, it had a degree of shovelware, but it was fairly irrelevant given the array of big-name titles, mid-market but still decent games and small-budget Japanese quirkiness like Disgaea.

The PS2's software lineup was on an entirely different planet from the Wii's. Compare the PS2 releases from 2006 or 2007 with the Wii releases for this year and you'll see what I mean.

Re:I'm sure it's coming eventually (1)

kimvette (919543) | more than 3 years ago | (#35828688)

World of Goo and Defend Your Castle are great fun though. :-) Call it shovelware if you wish but you can't knock that the games are clever, unique and fun and with Defend Your Castle in particular, the focus is 90% fun gameplay, 5% intentionally-cheesy graphics, and 5% intentionally-corny sound effects.

Hint: perfectly rendered eye candy does not make for a good gaming experience. Smart game design does, and if the graphics happen to be photorealistic, so be it. In most cases photorealistic graphics don't improve game mechanics. Give me fun gameplay with so-so graphics or a game that devotes more time to 3D rendered movie intermissions then a few minutes of boring game time in between, I'll take the fun but lesser graphics game.

Where I would like to see excellent graphics is combat flight simulators [wikipedia.org] , but the good ones seem to be a thing of the past. I would love to see an updated F-15 Strike Eagle, or a decent attack helicopter simulator (all I can find is Apache: Air Assault, It wasn't out last time I checked for one, so I should check out the demo).

Re:I'm sure it's coming eventually (1)

Methuseus (468642) | more than 3 years ago | (#35827260)

I was going to say the same thing. Just because the games you want to play are on another console doesn't mean Wii titles selling as many (or more) copies than whatever your favorite game is on another system are absolute crap. Wii has plenty of good games. Also, I don't like many "blockbuster" titles on PS3 or Xbox 360 anyway.

Re:I'm sure it's coming eventually (1)

cwtrex (912286) | more than 3 years ago | (#35826936)

Just curious as to what your hardware failures were. Were either one of the failures related to the optical drive?

Re:I'm sure it's coming eventually (1)

_xeno_ (155264) | more than 3 years ago | (#35828258)

No, they were both related to the graphics chip. Apparently this is a known issue and has something to do with the GPU overheating and damaging itself.

What happens is that the graphics slowly become more and more corrupted, eventually making games unplayable as you can't see anything.

In any case, it happened with my first Wii, so I shipped it back at the very end of the warranty period, and then it happened with the second Wii again. I got an apology letter back when they sent the third Wii back to me.

It hasn't happened with the third Wii (yet) which is now out of warranty.

Re:I'm sure it's coming eventually (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 3 years ago | (#35827700)

Yes
No
No

Re:I'm sure it's coming eventually (1)

cdpage (1172729) | more than 3 years ago | (#35827784)

<quote>
1. Will it support backwards compatibility with the Wii? (I expect it will.)
2. Will it allow save games to be copied off the Wii onto the new console? (AFAIK, this only applies to games with online components, but some game saves are locked to the console.)
3. Will it allow Virtual Console and WiiWare purchases to be transferred?</quote>

1. I had better, or they will see a quick and painful death of the Wii.
2. interesting request. I'm sure it can be done... though im not sure thats a big deal.
3. I'm with you on that. I bought the Wii so i could Buy all my old NES games. I'm not buying them again.

I like the MS online world. N should go for something like this. It's not geeky, kids and parents get how to use it. and its quite powerful.

What i would like to see, is a media console.
Something that will play all my music and/or videos. Something that can compete with the Apple TV or Boxee.

Re:I'm sure it's coming eventually (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35828038)

3. Will it allow Virtual Console and WiiWare purchases to be transferred?

Nintendo has already stated that this is possible for DSiware (from DS to 3DS), so I would assume that it would be the same for VC and Wiiware.

Re:I'm sure it's coming eventually (1)

slyrat (1143997) | more than 3 years ago | (#35828940)

3. Will it allow Virtual Console and WiiWare purchases to be transferred?

That last one is a deal-breaker for me. If you can't copy your existing digital purchases off the Wii onto whatever the next-gen Nintendo console is, forget it.

This is one thing that Microsoft and Sony do right: all you need to do to use your digital purchases on a new console is log in.

With Nintendo, you simply can't use them on anything but the original hardware. And if the hardware fails (which has happened to me twice), your only recourse is to ship it back to Nintendo and have them fix it, or lose any downloaded games you may have purchased.

Well they are already doing this (or soon will be) for transfers from the dsi handheld to the 3ds so I'm sure they are going to be doing something similar for wii -> hd wii (or whatever they call it).

Can I check? Hold on. (-1, Offtopic)

ThatCopyright (2041834) | more than 3 years ago | (#35826148)

Gamers have been waiting years for Nintendo to finally release its Wii successor, and Game Informer has heard from multiple sources that the company will unveil it at E3

Begging the question. [wikipedia.org]

this summer if not sooner. We have confirmed with multiple sources that this new home system is capable of running games at HD resolutions.

Appeal to emotion. [wikipedia.org]

There are conflicting reports, however, as to whether its graphics will be comparable to those on the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 – meaning it could surpass or fall short of those systems. Either way it wil

Appeal to law. [wikipedia.org]

ll offer competitive specifications. Moving to HD should greatly help Nintendo and its new console in getting more multi-platform triple-A titles like Portal 2 or Mortal Kombat. This, in turn, will strengthen Nintendo's historically poor relationship with

Red herring. [wikipedia.org]

h third-party publishers/developers. In fact, Nintendo is already showing publishers the system in an effort to get them interest

Appeal to authority. [wikipedia.org]

ted and allow them plenty of time to start developing titles in anticipation of the system's reported late 2012 launch. This advance support marks a change fr

False dilemma. [wikipedia.org]

rom when the Wii launched. At that time, several Western publishers were outright surprised by the announcement, and it affected the software support for the platform. Nintendo president Sa

Appeal to ignorance. [wikipedia.org]

atoru Iwata himself acknowledged that it needs to do a better job with its publishing partners at a 3DS press conference in the fall of 2010. "We need to dec

False dilemma. [wikipedia.org]

crease the concern that only Nintendo software can sell well on Nintendo platforms and third-party software cannot sell in the same volume. We feel a need to

False dilemma. [wikipedia.org]

o have closer ties with our third-party developers from the beginning." "Nintendo is doing this one right," said an anonymous source. "[It's] not a gimmick like the Wii." What else,

Appeal to hypocrisy. [wikipedia.org]

beyond graphics, this may imply about the system is unknown. What kind of controls the system will support (we imagine a need for both class

False dilemma. [wikipedia.org]

sic analog configurations and motion controllers) or what level of software and infrastructure Nintendo will provide for online gaming is also unknown. However,

Red herring. [wikipedia.org]

it's a positive sign that the system might be more than just an HD Wii. We've heard about an HD Wii for some time now, and the time is perfect – almost necessary

False dilemma. [wikipedia.org]

y – for Nintendo to jump start itself with this new system. The company has been feeling the bite since Wii sales have declined from pr

Appeal to law. [wikipedia.org]

revious years, and this week's news that Nintendo could be dropping the price of the Wii on May 15 could be a precursor to this announcement and an attempt to move as many Wii units as possible out of the retail channel before the new syst

False dilemma. [wikipedia.org]

tem hits. We do not have confirmation if this new system will be backward compatible with the Wii or if it will even carry the Wii branding as has often been

Appeal to emotion. [wikipedia.org]

n rumored. It is our understanding that Nintendo is trying to embrace the western gamer and will likely launch a new brand with this console. Around the office we have dubbed the system Nintendo

Red herring. [wikipedia.org]

o HD. However, this information at this point is conjecture. We contacted a Nintendo representative regarding this information, and they would only say that "Nintendo does not comment on rumo

Appeal to hypocrisy. [wikipedia.org]

ors or speculation." Either way, it should be an exciting E3 for Nintendo and gamers alike.

Begging the question. [wikipedia.org]

Re:Can I check? Hold on. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35826342)

tl;dr

nintendo FOREVER! (1)

djfuq (1151563) | more than 3 years ago | (#35826156)

Awesome, lets get another new Nintendo console! I bet it will have fun family oriented games with simplistic graphics! I love the controllers they come up with! Truly a novelty that is worth the money for the 4 solid hours of fun it will provide!

Again, look at the weird way they made yet another controller design! Its like they cant decide which way a controller should work! What ever will they do next to design the next amazing and special looking, ill shaped and wacky controller!?

Who cares if there is no content other than a few games the Mormons will use for family home evening fun, or physically challenged people will use in a severely modern and outdoor impaired attempt to get exercise, its the new and awkward controller design I'm excited about!

Remember, game systems aren't about games, they are about fun, mushrooms, cartoony mascots and unique controllers!

CUTE!

Re:nintendo FOREVER! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35826234)

Did you actually (sarcastically) say game systems aren't about fun? You do realize how sad that sounds? There is nothing sadder then a gamer that doesn't waste his life on fun...

Re:nintendo FOREVER! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35828546)

Did you actually (sarcastically) say game systems aren't about fun? You do realize how sad that sounds? There is nothing sadder then a person that doesn't waste his life on fun...

Fixed that for you.

Re:nintendo FOREVER! (1)

Issarlk (1429361) | more than 3 years ago | (#35826668)

Dude. Nintendo actually helps you and your serious gaming. By diverting all the casuals on a single system they ensure your PSBox market is not marred with family games.

Re:nintendo FOREVER! (1)

Ant P. (974313) | more than 3 years ago | (#35829362)

I'm having a hard time believing something and you sound like you could confirm it:
Does Call of Duty 4 actually exist? As in, they made the same game 4 times with insignificant changes and morons like you actually keep buying it in large enough numbers to make it profitable?

Obviously (1)

rishabhd (2041846) | more than 3 years ago | (#35826186)

Its quite obvious to do, how long they can hold on to standard definition formats ? They had to make a move and they have to make it fast before ps4 and xbox720 chomps away the next gen.

Re:Obviously (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35826336)

How long can we hold onto the 'high definition' formats? 1080p rendering for a video game is insulting.

Re:Obviously (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35829490)

The importance of resolution in games is overstated. I think that's because it's such an easily quantifiable number... but rarely does a video game, even on a high-end pc, look as graphically impressive as a decent movie on DVD (720x480). Texturing, animation, modelling, physics, are as important or more than simple resolution. I don't see a need to go past 1080p for years, maybe decades, until the bottlenecks in the other areas of graphics are improved.

Re:Obviously (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35826426)

New Nintendo HD Console Rumors Abound

And it will also feature a controller that detect movement and, check this amazing insider, will have a MARIO game. Gosh, i hope they dont track and perma silence me for leaking those secrets out.

Re:Obviously (1)

Fallen Kell (165468) | more than 3 years ago | (#35828362)

Its quite obvious to do, how long they can hold on to standard definition formats ? They had to make a move and they have to make it fast before ps4 and xbox720 chomps away the next gen.

Just like the Microsoft and Sony sales chomped away at the current generation right? Like when Xbox sold 28 million worldwide by Jan 2009, and Sony had sold 20 million by the same time, and Nintendo had outsold both of them combined Jan 2009? http://www.shacknews.com/article/56613/xbox-360-tops-28-million [shacknews.com] http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2009/090129e.pdf#page=11 [nintendo.co.jp]

Or how Nintendo has made a profit on every console sold, unlike MS and Sony who some still believe are taking a loss on the console itself and trying to make their profit from accessories and software sales?

Or that the Wii has still outsold both MS and Sony each and every month (with current totals being 85million Wii's, 50 million Xbox360's, and 48 million PS3's sold worldwide?

I could go on, but Nintendo clearly won this generation, and since they made a profit the entire time it has existed, they don't need to continue to squeeze the stones to get those last drops of blood...err....profit out of them, and can happily release a new product to continue to keep the pressure on Microsoft and Sony who have been struggling to make a profit on the current generation systems.

Re:Obviously (1)

VGPowerlord (621254) | more than 3 years ago | (#35829520)

I could go on, but Nintendo clearly won this generation, and since they made a profit the entire time it has existed, they don't need to continue to squeeze the stones to get those last drops of blood...err....profit out of them, and can happily release a new product to continue to keep the pressure on Microsoft and Sony who have been struggling to make a profit on the current generation systems.

The problem with the stats you quote is that, while they look at the big picture, they miss the smaller one... and don't get rid of the statistical outlier.

All the stats I've seen peg the Xbox 360 as the number one seller in North America and Europe, leaving only Japan (of the 3 major asles regions companies tend to look at) with the Wii coming out on top.

The Japanese hate the Xbox 360, and it has abnormally low sales there. One could attribute it to Xenophobia. But, still, it's a statistical outlier, and tossing it out (like statisticians should) paints a much different picture.

PS3 has not Metroid (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35826238)

Metroid in HD... sweet... :O

Re:PS3 has not Metroid (1)

MemoryDragon (544441) | more than 3 years ago | (#35826396)

So what the Wii has no Gods of war :-)
And none of the Consoles have a decent Gothic 1 and 2

Nintendo App Store (1)

popo (107611) | more than 3 years ago | (#35826374)

My bet is that this is the first console to really lunge at a complete online storefront pushing casual games.

In the era of Netflix and Apple's AppStore model of buying games at GameStop needs to officially die. Nintendo is poised to be the first to put online sales above all others because they're the least reliant on third party publishers.

Re:Nintendo App Store (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35828244)

Nintendo is poised to be the first to put online sales above all others because they're the least reliant on third party publishers.

Nintendo is notorious for having a closed-off circle of friends.

Also, Reggie Fils-Aime said recently that they don't want to junk up their Wii Store with essentially "iFart" apps.

Re:Nintendo App Store (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#35828880)

Which means you won't be able to play the games when they discontinue the service. Great. This is why I like steam but buy real game discs for anything I want to keep.

Wrong premise (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35826754)

Yet another article that starts on the premise that Nintendo is somehow losing the console market, and needs to do something quickly to curb MS's and Sony's dominance. It also ignores the large install base where people either bought the Wii knowing it was already the "loser" in horse power, or just didn't even know about it (your "grandpa playing wii sports" stereotype, if you prefer). Those people don't really need more horse power for the sake of it.

My guess is all those people saying that are just bitter 360 and PS3 owners that refused to buy a Wii because of pride; after all, it can't have good games if the graphics suck, right? Oh, brb, I wanna play some more Mario Kart, Monster Hunter Tri and Mario Galaxy.

Re:Wrong premise (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35826902)

You might make a stronger case if you could list three decent games released this year. Hell, even in the past year. The most recent game on your list is already two years old, the others are three and four. If that's not the sign of a console at the end of its natural life then I'm not sure what is.

Re:Wrong premise (1)

Methuseus (468642) | more than 3 years ago | (#35827298)

How about De Blob 2, Super Mario Galaxy 2 (which GP may have meant instead of the original), DK Country Returns, Raving Rabbids: Travel in Time, Pro Evolution Soccer, Just Dance 2, I could go on, especially if I include WiiWare games.

Just because they're not your cup of tea doesn't make them bad games.You wouldn't believe how much fun my wife and I have with Just Dance 2. Granted the games I play have changed since I was married and had kids, but I don't see that as a bad thing. I still have as much fun as I used to. Maybe more because I don't avoid "crap" games that are actually tons of fun.

Re:Wrong premise (1)

Vectormatic (1759674) | more than 3 years ago | (#35827694)

How about De Blob 2, Super Mario Galaxy 2 (which GP may have meant instead of the original), DK Country Returns, Raving Rabbids: Travel in Time, Pro Evolution Soccer, Just Dance 2, I could go on, especially if I include WiiWare games.

Just because they're not your cup of tea doesn't make them bad games.You wouldn't believe how much fun my wife and I have with Just Dance 2. Granted the games I play have changed since I was married and had kids, but I don't see that as a bad thing. I still have as much fun as I used to. Maybe more because I don't avoid "crap" games that are actually tons of fun.

Including just dance into your argument isnt gonna work when you try to convince any of the "hard core gamers" that the wii has just as much noteworthy titles as the 360/ps3.

From what i see, nintendo's problem isnt console sales, it's attach rate. If 90% of wii owners are family people who have it to play wii-golf and just-dance when they have family over, they wont be selling as many games as sony/microsoft, where the typical owner buys/plays many more games

Re:Wrong premise (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35829372)

From what i see, nintendo's problem isnt console sales, it's attach rate. If 90% of wii owners are family people who have it to play wii-golf and just-dance when they have family over, they wont be selling as many games as sony/microsoft, where the typical owner buys/plays many more games

I don't have any links to provide, but the last time I saw a report about attach rates, the Wii's was below the 360, but above the PS3.

Re:Wrong premise (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35828212)

While I agree that this year has been pretty bad so far (the only worthy ones are probably Lost in Shadows and de Blob 2), last year was stellar for the Wii.

It had No More Heroes 2, Tatsunoko vs Capcom, Sky Crawlers, Fragile Dreams, Monster Hunter Tri (yes, the game came out last year), Trauma Team, Sakura Wars V, Sin and Punishment: Star Successor, Super Mario Galaxy 2, Metroid: Other M, Kirby's Epic Yarn, Sonic Colors, and Donkey Kong Country Returns, among others.

More like a 10 year release schedule methinks... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35826872)

It's a 'natural' progression unless people are missing things. The Gamecube was, in all honesty, a performance upgrade on the N64. It offered nothing more than better graphics and a slightly altered controller - it still maintained the 'amazing idea' of the analogue stick even with the new controller.

The N64 however was a 'revolution' vs. the SNES which it replaced.

Whilst I agree that Nintendo historically have a 5-6 year release schedule for consoles, they tend to go in leaps of two in respect of 'revolutions':

NES > SNES (graphics only upgrade really for the SNES)
N64 > Gamecube (N64 brings 3D and anaolgue, Gamecube enhances graphics)
Wii > WiiHD (Wii brings motion control, WiiHD enhances graphics)

Each subsequent iteration of the above pairs has pretty much just improved on the original concept before, a further 10 or so years from the original pair item release, they produce a new concept.

I see no reason to doubt that a WiiHD is planned, though the only area I would be dubious on is the BluRay option, I personally think this would put the price somewhere unacceptable given the 360 manages perfectly fine without one. Technology would allow the Wii form factor to be maintained but with a suitable spec upgrade of the internals - faster CPU, possibly more RAM, internal storage, job done. Changing the controller at this stage would seem pointless unless it is a suitably subtle re-design assuming that MotionPlus would be built in - HD screen on the controller? No chance, this would ruin the size of the WiiMote - best case would be a small LCD screen but even then I can't see this doing much more than decreasing controller battery life and adding more weight.

As for me, yes please a FullHD, HDMI equipped, WiiHD ready for Christmas Mr Santa! (So long as it upscales and anti-aliases existing Wii games!).

Re:More like a 10 year release schedule methinks.. (3, Insightful)

ObsessiveMathsFreak (773371) | more than 3 years ago | (#35827098)

NES > SNES (graphics only upgrade really for the SNES)
N64 > Gamecube (N64 brings 3D and anaolgue, Gamecube enhances graphics)

You are seriously downplaying the advances in each case. Please do not be fooled by retrospective appearances.

The SNES was a major leap forward from the NES. Major. It's difficult to really stress this enough. Nintendo were riding high from the huge success of the NES and built a worthy successor. The breadth, depth and variety of SNES games is a testament to the capability of the system, capability which simply did not exist on the NES in any fashion.

Mode 7 is the obvious feature here, but the sheer level of improvements in basic functionality opened up a new world of potential in games. Just compare say, Super Metroid, with the original game, or consider the entirely new Genre's like 2D fighters which came to consoles during this time. The NES could not have supported these games or anything even resembling them.

The Gamecube is similar, though comparisons with contemporary rivals can skew things. However, it suffices to say that even a game like Luigi's Mansion would never have fit on the N64.

Re:More like a 10 year release schedule methinks.. (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 3 years ago | (#35828534)

The NES had 2d fighters. TMNT Tournament was one I played a lot of. 2D fighters were not new to the console with the SNES.

Re:More like a 10 year release schedule methinks.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35829122)

From Wikipedia, the SNES version was released December 1993. The NES version was released February 1994. The NES version actually came after the SNES version, in the last year of the NES's 'official' life.

Basically, the NES TMMT Tournament Fighter is the bastardized version of the game. It's just as they put games on GameCube, PS2, Xbox, and GameBoy Advance. One of these things is not like the other.

Re:More like a 10 year release schedule methinks.. (1)

ZosX (517789) | more than 3 years ago | (#35829230)

Which was a terrible port of a vastly superior SNES game. The gameboy had mortal kombat too. I don't know if these examples really count.

His overall point was that the super nintendo was vastly improved platform compared to the nes, not a mere graphical upgrade.

The comparison between super metroid and metroid is an excellent one. Or compare super mario 3 (the nes's most advanced game at the time) to super mario world. (a launch game)

The only generation that was not a huge leap forward was the Wii. Even the gamecube was as much of a jump (actually more so) as the PSX to PS2 was. Nintendo seems more interested in introducing new forms of gameplay much more than improving the relative power of their machines. Even the 3DS is not much more improved than say a PSP graphically. In fact it has a lower resolution.

Console power (1)

pokyo (1987720) | more than 3 years ago | (#35826940)

I will be pissed if Nintendo releases anything but a console with power equivalent to the current generation. The last thing I want to do is worry about how I'm going to convert my AC supplied power into whatever new fandangled, "innovative" power Nintendo comes up with.

Re:Console power (1)

Methuseus (468642) | more than 3 years ago | (#35827316)

You could do worse, that is as long as you can have fun with what they provide.

Re:Console power (1)

prionic6 (858109) | more than 3 years ago | (#35828408)

with power equivalent to the current generation

How much current is generated?

Unintended Benefits (2)

Renaissance 2K (773059) | more than 3 years ago | (#35827086)

I suppose that this is one unintended benefit of releasing an underpowered console for the current generation.

Nintendo is releasing a new platform at a point when the 360 and PS3 platforms are starting to stagnate, resorting to parlor tricks like the Kinect and Move to cover up the fact that it's not economically viable to release a new "next generation" platform at this point in time.

If they handle the new home console the same way they handled the 3DS, many people should be very happy. Backwards compatibility, data transfers, a more fully-featured eShop with non-game media, and a large assortment of large titles and large window titles... I'm looking forward to it.

Re:Unintended Benefits (1)

AbRASiON (589899) | more than 3 years ago | (#35827710)

Neither the 360 or the PS3 are "stagnating" infact they are now reaching the glorious point in every consoles life where the developers have a firm grasp of how to utilize them, the units have reached high penetration so higher sales are likely and the games are eeking every last ounce of the console out of them.

See : Shadow of the Colossus, God of War 2 for PS2.
Nope - the fire is now well and truly burning and if anything, the Wii fad (sorry, my opinion) is now burning out to be "what can we do with this,... well toy?" while the proper consoles are catching up fast (sales figures have finally started swinging away hard from Nintendo)

If anything I suspect many of the "oh, nice toy!" casual gamers won't bother with the second Wii, realising how rarely they use their first and the hardcore gamers are happy with their PS3 and 360s - both being quite cheap and easy to own the two (I do)

Re:Unintended Benefits (1)

kimvette (919543) | more than 3 years ago | (#35828854)

Nintendo is releasing a new platform at a point when the 360 and PS3 platforms are starting to stagnate, resorting to parlor tricks like the Kinect and Move to cover up the fact that it's not economically viable to release a new "next generation" platform at this point in time.

Or, perhaps, maybe, just maybe, the current generation consoles are "good enough" that continued investments would produced diminished returns, since graphics have a hard limit of 1920x1080 (thanks to the high def standard), they can all display photorealistic graphics rendered in realtime, and all that might be need is a tweak here (Blu-Ray drive in the case of the Xbox) and a tweak there (new controllers - see Kinect).

Re:Unintended Benefits (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35829340)

The problem with HD gaming on ps3 and xbox360 is that it more often than not isn't 1080p, and often not even 720p, but a lower resolution image being upscaled. I think they are both shownig their age - the current HD consoles have trouble outputting 1080p, so there is still a gab to be filled..

Unconfirmed... (2)

SeNtM (965176) | more than 3 years ago | (#35827364)

In addition, this console will also support the 3D functionality of the the 3DS. While you are playing, simply have two of your friends lift the flatscreen TV from each side and position it at various angles while you stand stationary.

in anticipation of the system's reported late 2012 (1)

rjejr (921275) | more than 3 years ago | (#35827506)

Announcing a new console at this years E3 is all well and good, but announcing that it is coming out in LATE 2012 is giving themselves 1 1/2 years for people NOT to buy a Wii before then, even with the previously rumored $150 price cut. Might also cause some people to hold out on a new Zelda purchase waiting for the HD version (which they should be making).

Re:in anticipation of the system's reported late 2 (1)

Vectormatic (1759674) | more than 3 years ago | (#35827742)

any new zelda would probably get the twilight princes treatment, skip release for the current gen, polish it up a bit, and release early on the next-gen console

Turning point for Nintendo (1)

MaltoMario (1005995) | more than 3 years ago | (#35827568)

Nintendo should definitely add some more features to appeal to the older gamers. I grew up with nintendo, love the mario / zelda franchise, and have owned every single one of their consoles. The Wii, while revolutionary for its time for its motion controls, was a bit behind in the graphics / processing department. Thank god it at least had component video outputs but even then it doesn't do justice to those of us who have large HD sets.. However as an aging (30-something) gamer, my tastes have changed. Sometimes after a rotten day at work futzing with IDEs, I want to decompress with a FPS, blowing stuff up with occasional blood and gore. Or perhaps after navigating through a bunch of idiot socialites blocking the grocery store coffee aisle I want to play stuff like mass effect w/ foul language and pseudo-nudity. (Big boobed, aliens in painted-on bodysuits FTMFW! And yes, I do enjoy a cartoonish games (like mariokart) w/ friends when we all get together during special occasions. Some suggestions for Nintendo: 1) improve online play - lose the 'friend code' nonsense. 2) incorporate some sort of HDD / flash drive to store games to *entirely* eliminate need to change discs. this would be HUGE in my opinion. Even if its an add-on module, at least give us an option. I can see this posing some piracy concerns though. 3) incorporate HDMI and digital output. Cut the whole "Composite Video and RCA Stereo out" cord 4) Gig-E jack on back. wireless is OK but some of us actually have dedicated ethernet drops behind our entertainment centers for this very purpose. 5) allow linking up of multiple consoles to improve localized multiplayer gameplay and allow use of more than one screen, more than 4 players at parties and such. and finally... 6) for the love of god, please let Mario and Link get laid one of these games. They've been saving those freakin princess girls for almost 30years now and they never put out. WTF is up with that?

Now the wii jokes will be... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35828156)

2 is pronounced "ni" in Japanese.

Now read Wii2

HD as in half definition? (1)

iampiti (1059688) | more than 3 years ago | (#35828374)

I thought that was the Wii...
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