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GIMP 2.7.2 Released — Another Step Toward 2.8

Soulskill posted more than 3 years ago | from the slowly-but-surely dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "The developers of GIMP have finally released a new development version on the way to GIMP 2.8. GIMP 2.7.2 includes a huge bunch of changes — but it is not intended for production use. 'The new release comprises layer groups (which were introduced after 2.7.1), an almost done text-on-canvas feature, the all-new brush engine and of course the new single window mode.'"

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Another fine article (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35828860)

You know, its just a few extra steps to 2.8.1 as well.

Srsly?

Still in use? (-1)

jwhyche (6192) | more than 3 years ago | (#35828910)

Do people really use gimp? The last time I tried it I found it almost impossible to use. Granted this was a few years ago. Would it be worth my time to go back and look at it again?

Re:Still in use? (5, Funny)

pipatron (966506) | more than 3 years ago | (#35828946)

Maybe your motor skills improved since then, have you tried using a mouse the last years?

Re:Still in use? (1)

Attila Dimedici (1036002) | more than 3 years ago | (#35829000)

I found GIMP no harder to use than Photoshop when I first started. Of course, I first started using Photoshop and GIMP at about the same time, so I did not have any expectations from Photoshop to overcome when I was trying to learn GIMP.

Re:Still in use? (2)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 3 years ago | (#35829696)

I started using Photoshop several years before I started using the GNU Image Manipulation Program, but I also had MS Paint, Corel Draw, xv, Paintshop Pro, and other graphic viewing/editing program experience, so GNU Image Manipulation Program was actually easy to get used to. OP needs to vary his digital diet.

Re:Still in use? (4, Funny)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 3 years ago | (#35829964)

Have they made any interface changes for this new Gimp branch? I'm looking for something powerful and intuitively accessible, like Blender.

Re:Still in use? (4, Insightful)

nedlohs (1335013) | more than 3 years ago | (#35829044)

Lots of people use gimp. But no it won't be worth your time.

Re:Still in use? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35830158)

I'd like a crippled sex slave but I'd prefer one that wasn't quite so used.

Re:Still in use? (0)

Anrego (830717) | more than 3 years ago | (#35829050)

It takes getting used to and the interface definitely lacks a certain amount of polish (I like the floating window mode as I have several monitors... but I find it's management very unintuitive).

It's great for people like me... who don't do enough graphics work to justify photoshop, but don't want the open source equivilant of MS paint either. It's no photoshop, but it can do plenty once you figure out how it all works.

Re:Still in use? (1)

sunderland56 (621843) | more than 3 years ago | (#35829198)

Do people really use gimp? The last time I tried it I found it almost impossible to use. Granted this was a few years ago. Would it be worth my time to go back and look at it again?

Many fewer people use it now that they have dropped support for XP SP2.

Re:Still in use? (1)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 3 years ago | (#35829792)

What home users haven't moved on to XP SP3 (or for that matter, Vista or Win7)? What big businesses (only place you find XPSP2) would be caught dead using something named GIMP (especially since the default image comment is "Created with GIMP").

Re:Still in use? (2)

marsu_k (701360) | more than 3 years ago | (#35829344)

I do, constantly, when doing web development. As a matter of fact, if Gimp would support PSD format better, I wouldn't use Photoshop at all. As it is, I use Photoshop as a glorified image viewer - I get a layout from an advertising agency, hide/show the needed layers and copy the image to clipboard, then split it into needed chunks with Gimp and paste into separate files. I find it much faster to use the resizable rectangular selection to select a portion of the image, then Ctrl+C, Ctrl+Shift+V, Ctrl+S, type file name with extension, done. Granted, if I wanted to I could teach myself to do the same in Photoshop (although I've been unable to find how to resize the selection, I'm only able to add to it or subtract from it - is this even possible? And it's irritating having to manually specify the file type), but why bother, Gimp suits me just fine.

Prepare for have mind = blown (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35829576)

You realise that you could use Photoshop's goatscaping feature to do that in one simple mouse-click, right?

Need more coffee (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35829642)

I originally read that as "Photoshop's goatse feature"

Re:Still in use? (1)

O'Nazareth (1203258) | more than 3 years ago | (#35829388)

No, continue to use MS paint, it rocks!

Re:Still in use? (0)

oldmac31310 (1845668) | more than 3 years ago | (#35830300)

I tried it about two years ago and found it impossible. I doubt that it will have changed so radically in that space of time to make it usable.

One reason alone (4, Interesting)

MonsterTrimble (1205334) | more than 3 years ago | (#35828914)

'The new release comprises layer groups (which were introduced after 2.7.1), an almost done text-on-canvas feature, the all-new brush engine and of course the new single window mode.'"

Single window mode is all you need to know about why you should upgrade.

Re:One reason alone (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35829036)

When they get a real artist to design the interface, I will get interested.

Never let a software geek do an interaction design (unless its an API of some sort).

Re:One reason alone (1)

O'Nazareth (1203258) | more than 3 years ago | (#35829366)

As long as artists use flash and smoke pot, we are safe that they will not touch the interface of GIMP, and it will stay easy to use.

Re:One reason alone (1)

fastest fascist (1086001) | more than 3 years ago | (#35829462)

You jest (I guess), but software actually designed by and for artists does exist. MyPaint is a very good example. The newest versions of Krita do a good job of not getting in the way, too.

Re:One reason alone (1)

fastest fascist (1086001) | more than 3 years ago | (#35829502)

Hm, I managed to reply to the wrong post. Meant to reply to the reply to yours with the jab about pot and flash.

Re:One reason alone (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35829864)

That's kind of harsh, don't you think?

Perhaps GIMP isn't pretty but I wouldn't be so quick to bash the software geeks who give up their own time to make image editing possible for those without the money to get Photoshop.

Even then, GIMP isn't after your soul and/or computer like Adobe is.

Re:One reason alone (0)

0123456 (636235) | more than 3 years ago | (#35830070)

Perhaps GIMP isn't pretty but I wouldn't be so quick to bash the software geeks who give up their own time to make image editing possible for those without the money to get Photoshop.

The problem I have with GIMP is that, aside from the insanely awful mass of windows spewed across the screen, everything is stuffed in random places and very little works the way I expect it to. I use GIMP for a few hours every few weeks to months and I can never remember where to find anything other than the most basic operations in the numerous menus and tools. Whenever I do find what I'm looking for I have to wonder 'what the hell is it doing _there_?'

And the retard who decided the random window spew should stick to the top over the actual image window I'm working on should be bashed mercilessly. Since my laptop only has a 1366x768 screen I find myself continually having to resize the image window just so I can see the damn thing when half the screen is taken up with a spew of windows I don't care about.

Re:One reason alone (1)

edxwelch (600979) | more than 3 years ago | (#35830236)

Amen to that.
Personally, I think ArtRage is one of the best UI around.

Re:One reason alone (4, Insightful)

JanneM (7445) | more than 3 years ago | (#35829052)

"Single window mode is all you need to know about why you should upgrade."

As long as I can not use single-window mode I'm happy to upgrade. If it becomes the only way to use gimp, it's time to fork the code.

Re:One reason alone (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35829118)

Oh grow up. It's optional, and you're one of about 6 people that prefer that mess. Lemme guess, you think the name is great too?

Re:One reason alone (1)

Anrego (830717) | more than 3 years ago | (#35829174)

Personally I'd prefer a cleaned up version of that mess to a single window mode... but single window mode is something a lot of people want, so it's good to see it finally taking shape.

And what's wrong with the name!

Re:One reason alone (1)

Abstrackt (609015) | more than 3 years ago | (#35829624)

And what's wrong with the name!

Just in case you're serious: here [wikipedia.org] . It's hard to recommend this software without the need to explain it really has nothing to do with bondage.

Re:One reason alone (1)

doti (966971) | more than 3 years ago | (#35830102)

And why not here [wikipedia.org] ?

If you want to use Wikipedia, at least be fair. If you search for "gimp" in wikipedia you get the disambiguation page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimp [wikipedia.org]

Re:One reason alone (2)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 3 years ago | (#35830360)

probably because most computer artists types are homosexual deviants and not seamstresses.

Grow up yourself. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35829186)

the GP said that it was OK as long as Single Window was not the ONLY way of using GIMP, so way to go there on reading, nutcase, secondly far more than 6 people prefer the mutiple window interface. Nobody on Windows, but then again, there is no window manager on Windows and therefore they presume that because their Windows is crap at displaying it, it must be GIMP's fault.

Re:One reason alone (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35829094)

That's not an upgrade, there was never any problem with the Gimp UI that couldn't be solved by upgrading your window manager. The problem was apparently that there's a class of retard using an OS somewhat ironically entitled "Windows" that shipped with an unusable window manager.

These people managed to repeat the lie often enough that GIMP devs finally decided to pander to these simple minded folk who couldn't deal with downloading a decent replacement WM and adopt the broken application model used by default on some crappy 3rd party proprietry OS.

Re:One reason alone (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35829328)

That's not an upgrade, there was never any problem with the Gimp UI that couldn't be solved by upgrading your window manager. The problem was apparently that there's a class of retard using an OS somewhat ironically entitled "Windows" that shipped with an unusable window manager.

These people managed to repeat the lie often enough that GIMP devs finally decided to pander to these simple minded folk who couldn't deal with downloading a decent replacement WM and adopt the broken application model used by default on some crappy 3rd party proprietry OS.

And this is why we can't have nice things...

There's a class of retard (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#35829332)

The problem was apparently that there's a class of retard using an OS somewhat ironically entitled "Windows" that shipped with an unusable window manager.

There's also a class of retard working for some flatbed scanner manufacturers that doesn't develop drivers for anything but Windows. Likewise, there is a class of retard working for video game developers that doesn't port PC games to Linux or even make sure they work in Wine.

These people managed to repeat the lie often enough that GIMP devs finally decided to pander to these simple minded folk who couldn't deal with downloading a decent replacement WM

Which "decent replacement VM" for Windows do you recommend that 1. is free software or freeware, 2. makes GIMP work better, and 3. doesn't break other applications running at the same time?

Re:There's a class of retard (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35829920)

There's also a class of retard working for some flatbed scanner manufacturers that doesn't develop drivers for anything but Windows.

SANE always worked for me back in the day -- in fact I had a bunch of old scanners given to me around the time XP launched because there was no NT drivers availiable. I'd say the point you attempted to make is is bogus.

Likewise, there is a class of retard working for video game developers that doesn't port PC games to Linux or even make sure they work in Wine.

That has nothing to do with the discussion here which is about adopting Windows paradigms for unix desktop software. I'm saying the inverse is not true so it's (at best) a failed analogy.

Which "decent replacement VM" for Windows do you recommend that 1. is free software or freeware, 2. makes GIMP work better, and 3. doesn't break other applications running at the same time?

I used to run bb4win when I worked in a windows shop. Never had any problems with applications "breaking".

Virtuawin (1)

sourcerror (1718066) | more than 3 years ago | (#35830222)

I use VirtuaWin. It's not a full blown Window Manager, but it allows to have multiple desktops, so you can allocate one purely for Gimp windows.

Re:One reason alone (1)

daid303 (843777) | more than 3 years ago | (#35829376)

I'm a linux user, I'm running Ubuntu, with gnome. I'm a heavy user of multiple desktops. I spawn terminals like crazy. People are confused when they see me work, and I used to have a beard.

And I still think the GIMP multi window interface is retarded. I simply don't understand the need to look past the floating windows to see the stuff behind it (being your desktop of what else), it's messy and distracting.

But please enlighten one, explain to us lesser and simple minded folk how GIMP with with the floating multiple windows is so much better.

Re:One reason alone (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35829534)

Use a tiling WM and it's awesome.
GNOME's WM (what is it now, Metacity?) is a near-clone of Windows'.

Re:One reason alone (3, Interesting)

lahvak (69490) | more than 3 years ago | (#35829684)

OK, I will bite. Just some of the reasons I like multiple windows better:

* Multiple windows actually do not cover as much screen space as a single window, so I can have several GIMP windows arranged with several other programs, and use them together.

* With a good window manager, it is easier to hide and show individual components of the program. Windows can iconify or shade at a key-press or mouse click.

* I can send some windows to different virtual desktop. I can make my toolboxes sticky, and put one image on each virtual desktop, and easily switch between them.

* I can tear of a frequently used menu and arrange it on the screen next to my toolbox, or where ever I want it.

* If I have multiple monitors, I can put some windows on one of them, and others on another.

* With some window managers, I can make some windows translucent, so you can see what's behind them. That way I can cram more stuff on a small monitor.

Most of these I actually use with GIMP all the time. I am not saying that GIMP user interface is perfect, but the multiple window interface in my opinion is not a problem. In general I think that for a sufficiently complicated program a multiple window interface is vastly superior to a single window one.

One think I really miss in GIMP is an ability to easily create my own custom toolboxes and menus where I could place frequently used operations for different types of work. Right now I have to constantly hunt for things in the ever expanding menu structure.

Some reasons to use multiple windows: (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35830358)

(note: I'm not the GP, but I thought I'd try to give some examples anyway)

I simply don't understand the need to look past the floating windows to see the stuff behind it (being your desktop of what else), it's messy and distracting.

I use KDE with two displays, and I prefer GIMP's multi-window design over a single-window interface. Honestly, I think that's where the choice to have separate windows really shines: when there is a second (or even third) display to use. It's not (usually) about seeing what's behind the windows, it's about being able to sort the windows in complicated ways across multiple displays. Multiple windows make it easy to, for example, dedicate most or all of your primary display to editing while using the second display for tool settings, reference images, and duplicate views (to see the entire image while working zoomed in).

Single window interfaces are generally less flexible and make it hard to use your space efficiently, and the ones that are flexible (like MDI) are simply recreating window management inside a window ("yo dawg, I heard you like managing windows . . ."). Instead of doing that, why not let the window manager do its job?

There are some other less obvious benefits if your window manager is capable enough. Managers such as Kwin and Compiz let you set up window-specific rules to modify behaviour, so you can do things such as remove the window decorations on specific windows to save space, or force tool windows and the like to be partially transparent (not just eye candy: being able to see through the toolbox, even slightly, makes it less distracting when it's over the document window). Speaking of transparency, you can also roll the mousewheel on a document titlebar and temporarily see the window underneath when you need to trace something. Sure, you could load the source into a second layer, but for something quick, it's faster to change the window transparency.

The problem is it, like most anything else, has to be learned. If you're accustomed to MDI and broken window management, dealing with multiple windows for a single app is utterly foreign and won't seem useful until you get more comfortable with it. It might not be for everyone, but if you adjust to it, going back to single-window interfaces in complex applications can be very difficult. Blender 2.5 added the option to have multiple windows, and I can't imagine using it with a single window any more.

Re:One reason alone (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 3 years ago | (#35830086)

You'd be less crabby if you had a nice selection of games to play.

Re:One reason alone (2, Insightful)

Anrego (830717) | more than 3 years ago | (#35829128)

I actually prefer the floating windows (in all applications, not just gimp) although I find gimp makes them fairly unintuitive. I have several (6) monitors, and being able to spread stuff out is nice. Not sure why people have this desire to have everything crowded in one window, I mean, I get that photoshop does it that way and can see why people looking for a photoshop replacement would want this... but the preference for single window over floating window appears to be moving through all applications.

When did floating windows become a bad thing :(

Re:One reason alone (5, Funny)

vux984 (928602) | more than 3 years ago | (#35829314)

I have several (6) monitors, and being able to spread stuff out is nice.

You do, of course, realize the vast majority of people using the software have a single monitor, right. A tiny fraction have 2. The number of people on the planet with 6 monitors using gimp regularly would probably fit in my garage.

So although you are happy with your setup, and the way you organize windows works for you, its not an option for most people.

Re:One reason alone (2)

Anrego (830717) | more than 3 years ago | (#35829480)

I agree 6 is rare.. but 2 seems to be quite popular, especially with graphics people.

Even when using a single window though, I still prefer floating windows. Sometimes it's nice to full screen something, and use shortcuts ... sometimes you want to have toolbox/layers and such beside the image. Various expand/maximize functions in single window apps always seem cumbersome to me... I'd rather use my window managers tools for managing windows than some application specific set of tools. I actually don't use gimp very often... but this extends to other things I do use quite frequently (like qt designer).

Re:One reason alone (1)

JustinOpinion (1246824) | more than 3 years ago | (#35829680)

I use multi-monitor setups (2 monitors at work; 4 at home), but still prefer single-window mode. Nothing stops the user from stretching the single window across the multiple monitors, after all.

The thing that frustrates me about GIMP's floating palettes is that if I have other windows open, then in order to bring GIMP fully to the front, I need to click through all of the various sub-windows. I've learned to work around it (e.g. in KDE I can middle-click other windows to push them fully behind the GIMP; generally I try to put GIMP on its own desktop)... but sometimes I'll forget my tricks and end up with the GIMP's windows annoyingly mixed in with other things I'm working on. It would be much simpler to have all the GIMP windows behave as a single entity.

In general I dislike floating palettes because they can obscure the thing you're working on. Docking them just seems cleaner if you've got the screen real estate.

Of course it's a matter of preference and work style. Whatever makes a particular user more productive is right for them. So hopefully it will remain an option in GIMP. I think Inkscape's model is pretty good, incidentally. It starts as a single-window, and all the palettes open up as docked palettes. However there's are keyboard shortcuts for quickly going into fullscreen mode, and for quickly toggling palettes visible/hide. So you can get a huge canvas and still have quick-access to tools. In Inkscape, the palettes can also be torn off from the main window and floated wherever you want (inside or outside of main window), with it remembering the location you selected. This, I think, gives you the best of both worlds: the default is structured and contained, but you can easily customize it as needed (dragging often-used palettes to a second monitor, etc.). It works quite well.

Re:One reason alone (2)

maxwell demon (590494) | more than 3 years ago | (#35829504)

The number of people on the planet with 6 monitors using gimp regularly would probably fit in my garage.

The number of atoms in the universe would conveniently fit into your garage as well. It only has about 80 digits.

Re:One reason alone (1)

Tsingi (870990) | more than 3 years ago | (#35830060)

The number of people on the planet with 6 monitors using gimp regularly would probably fit in my garage.

The number of atoms in the universe would conveniently fit into your garage as well. It only has about 80 digits.

But, not if they each had six monitors.

Re:One reason alone (1)

mdielmann (514750) | more than 3 years ago | (#35830130)

I have several (6) monitors, and being able to spread stuff out is nice.

You do, of course, realize the vast majority of people using the software have a single monitor, right. A tiny fraction have 2. The number of people on the planet with 6 monitors using gimp regularly would probably fit in my garage.

So although you are happy with your setup, and the way you organize windows works for you, its not an option for most people.

Not with all those monitors, they wouldn't.

Re:One reason alone (2)

Hatta (162192) | more than 3 years ago | (#35830218)

Everyone using a modern OS can have virtual desktops of some sort. This makes floating windows useful to everyone.

Think about it, when you use single window applications with multiple windows inside the main window, the application essentially has to reinvent the window manager for those internal windows. Of course, it does so badly. Why not let your window manager do the job it was designed to do?

Besides, Photoshop has floating windows too. I just opened CS2 and count 6 windows. Tell me, what is the major difference between this [uberdownloads.com] and this [yeniprogram.gen.tr] ? I just don't see it.

Re:One reason alone (1)

vux984 (928602) | more than 3 years ago | (#35830378)

Everyone using a modern OS can have virtual desktops of some sort.

And almost nobody uses them.

Re:One reason alone (0)

owlnation (858981) | more than 3 years ago | (#35829542)

"get that photoshop does it that way and can see why people looking for a photoshop replacement would want this... but the preference for single window over floating window appears to be moving through all applications."

Photoshop might do that on Windows, but on a Mac you have a choice of screen modes. Floating window is the default, and single window is an option.

I'd guess most professionals use both a Mac and floating window mode -- floating windows is much, much more useful on a multi-monitor set-up.

Gimp is all very nice and all, but it's still many light years away from being a professional tool. I don't love Adobe, nor photoshop -- but for a professional there's no other alternative.

Re:One reason alone (1)

_0xd0ad (1974778) | more than 3 years ago | (#35829778)

At least in the version I have, the floating windows are always-on-top and CAN'T BE MINIMIZED. Seriously... WTF. And they clutter up the task bar because they all have their own button.

Then again - maybe they fixed that. I don't use GIMP enough to bother updating it regularly. I'll have to download the most recent version when I get home tonight.

Ideally, the tool buckets should not have their own task bar buttons (focus them through the Windows menu in the canvas window). They should be always on top, but they should disappear when none of the GIMP windows have focus, or at least when all of the GIMP canvas windows are minimized.

Re:One reason alone (1, Troll)

metamatic (202216) | more than 3 years ago | (#35830058)

Yeah, the problem with GIMP isn't the floating windows.

The problems are:

1. The floating windows continue to float on top of everything else even when GIMP drops down the window stack and they become useless.
2. You can't lift other windows above GIMP's floating windows, no matter how hard you try.
3. Clicking one of GIMP's floating windows doesn't bring GIMP to the front of the window stack.
4. Clicking the main GIMP window doesn't bring the floating windows to the front.

You can fix some of these problems by changing the window hints under Window Management. If you set the toolbox and docks to "normal window" or "utility window", they no longer hog screen estate; you can raise other windows above them. However, the third and fourth problems still apply.

Seriously, how hard is it to make all GIMP's windows behave as a single unit, but not actually have them be one window? Wouldn't that make everyone happy?

Re:One reason alone (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35829884)

Single window mode just emulates a tiled window manager that people are supposed to use.

It's just that the window manager of Microsofts's MacOS clone (Windows) is such a crappy piece of shit, that multiple windows is a pain in the ass.
And of course, KDE, being a Windows clone, copied that.
(But the GNU OS X clone [Gnome] is not really better, since Apple's re-hashing of a concept that's outdated for 30 years (OS X) is not really better.)

People should just get a tiling window manager, and be done with it. And in case they aren't competent to make that decision (which means everyone who hasn't used his computer as a computer [programmable device] but as a appliance), it should be forced upon them.

Re:One reason alone (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35829466)

As a designer, I can say that layer groups are VASTLY more important to me, but also a welcome addition :) Not having them made gimp ~ useless to me for anything complex (of course inkscape always did nicely)

Bring out the Gimp (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35828922)

I think he's sleeping.

Well, wake him up.

CMYK (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35829030)

Still no CMYK support, it will never be taken seriously in the professional design arena.

Re:CMYK (2)

O'Nazareth (1203258) | more than 3 years ago | (#35829528)

Printing is less and less important in design. Unless you are doing textile or billboard, I do not think CMYK is a good choice.

Re:CMYK (2)

perpenso (1613749) | more than 3 years ago | (#35830270)

Printing is less and less important in design. Unless you are doing textile or billboard, I do not think CMYK is a good choice.

It more than billboards. Consider business cards, letter head, flyers, postcards, etc.

Re:CMYK (2)

doti (966971) | more than 3 years ago | (#35830168)

What about 16-bit per channel?

It's a must for working with photography.

ANOTHER NAIL IN PHOTOSHOP'S COFFIN !! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35829064)

It's coming, just you wait !! All you doubting-Toms will eat crow bigtime when that happens !!Just you wait and see !!

Re:ANOTHER NAIL IN PHOTOSHOP'S COFFIN !! (1)

olimoth (1920386) | more than 3 years ago | (#35829402)

what

Re:ANOTHER NAIL IN PHOTOSHOP'S COFFIN !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35829416)

Yup, it is definiately the year of the GIMP. Or Cat. Help me out there, Al.

On a morning from a Bogart movie
In a country where they turn back time
You go strolling through the crowd like Peter Lorre
Contemplating a crime
She comes out of the sun in a silk dress running
Like a watercolor in the rain
Don't bother asking for explanations
She'll just tell you that she came
In the year of the cat

She doesn't give you time for questions
As she locks up your arm in her's
And you follow 'til your sense of which direction
Completely disappears
By the blue-tiled walls near the market stalls
There's a hidden door she leads you to
These days, she says, I feel my life
Just like a river running through
The year of the cat

Well morning comes and you're still with her
And the bus and the tourists are gone
And you've thrown away the choice and lost your ticket
So you have to stay on
But the drum-beat strains of the night remain
In the rhythm of the new-borne day
You know sometime you're bound to leave her
But for now you're going to stay
In the year of the cat

Re:ANOTHER NAIL IN PHOTOSHOP'S COFFIN !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35829432)

Because 2011 will be the year of Linux on the desktop!!!

Re:ANOTHER NAIL IN PHOTOSHOP'S COFFIN !! (1)

Tsingi (870990) | more than 3 years ago | (#35830194)

Because 2011 will be the year of Linux on the desktop!!!

ROFL!

Who cares really? I'ts been my desktop for almost 20 years, and my sole home desktop for 10. I advocate it to people who have an open mind, but, I don't care if it ever supplants Windows.

Photoshop IS better than the Gimp, but It costs a fortune, the Gimp does everything I need, and I LIKE the way it works. It's not a contest.

With InkScape and the Gimp you can do most anything graphics wise, if you need to do more, then it's probably worth it to you to sell your soul and first born to buy the CS suite and a Windows box.

I have a windows box at work to run OutLook (to forward everything to a Linux Box), and another to run AutoCAD (To send all the data to a Linux box). Sometimes you have to deal with the devil.

Re:ANOTHER NAIL IN PHOTOSHOP'S COFFIN !! (1)

perpenso (1613749) | more than 3 years ago | (#35830302)

Because 2011 will be the year of Linux on the desktop!!!

When the year of the Linux desktop arrives Adobe will release a native Photoshop for Linux.

Wake Me When They Change The Name (5, Insightful)

RobotRunAmok (595286) | more than 3 years ago | (#35829076)

Yeah, I know, Noble Open Source coders are supposed to be above the cosmetic issues and petty concerns of Man's World, but when you are looking for credibility amongst designers, illustrators, photographers and other arts professionals, would it really hurt -- would you really lose so much integrity -- to slap this thing with a flashier moniker than "G.I.M.P."?

And if not, why GIMP? Why not just go for the gold in the shoot-your-own-snarky-foot Olympics, call it TARD or DOUCHE or FLACCID? I'm sure who ever came up with "GNU Image Manipulation Program" could just as easily reverse-engineer an acronym for HOMO or DICKLESS...

Re:Wake Me When They Change The Name (1)

MonsterTrimble (1205334) | more than 3 years ago | (#35829262)

would it really hurt -- would you really lose so much integrity -- to slap this thing with a flashier moniker than "G.I.M.P."?

Considering the splash for GIMP 2.7 is the mascot locked in a cage with a dominatrix standing beside it I'm thinking that they decided to embrace the (bad) name and run with it.

Re:Wake Me When They Change The Name (1)

Tsingi (870990) | more than 3 years ago | (#35830330)

would it really hurt -- would you really lose so much integrity -- to slap this thing with a flashier moniker than "G.I.M.P."?

Considering the splash for GIMP 2.7 is the mascot locked in a cage with a dominatrix standing beside it I'm thinking that they decided to embrace the (bad) name and run with it.

You Lie!

But I'm disappointed, I sure looked:)

I was impressed that the first link Google returned was this page though. They're right on top of SlashDot.

Old News (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35829320)

Yes, we know. The name is counter-productive to gaining mainstream acceptance. However, we've been saying the same thing for years and they haven't changed it.

Noble Open Source coders are supposed to be above the cosmetic issues and petty concerns of Man's World

Oh, I see. You weren't concerned with the name as much as the opportunity to poo-poo open source. Since you live in the dark ages, I'll let you in on the new reality: open source IS mainstream. Very mainstream. In fact, the last remaining market where open source ISN'T already dominating (or at least mainstream) is the desktop.

Wake me when you've thought of a name (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 3 years ago | (#35829368)

would you really lose so much integrity -- to slap this thing with a flashier moniker than "G.I.M.P."?

There are two steps to doing this. First make the application's name configurable at compile time, much like Firefox does. Second and possibly more expensive is to come up with a recognizable name that isn't already else someone else's trademark, plug it into the application, and promote it.

Re:Wake me when you've thought of a name (2)

Jiro (131519) | more than 3 years ago | (#35830006)

The name is a prime example of geeks not having social skills. They just don't get how the name hurts adoption of the program, reasoning that since the name has no effect on the program's functionality, no logical person would ever refuse to use it based on the name, and if someone does refuse to use it, it's their fault for being so illogical and there's no reason to cater to them. Guys, there's a reason why McDonalds isn't named "N*gger Burgers".

It can also be thought of as a small example of how free software has a terrible user interface--after all, in a way the name is part of the user interface. And the people who created the user interface think it's really great. Of course, the Gimp has a terrible user interface in a more conventional way too.

Welcome to our Gim. (1)

sseaman (931799) | more than 3 years ago | (#35830382)

Notice how there is no P in it.

We'd like to keep it that way.

Seriously, the P stands for "program." Just drop it.

Re:Wake Me When They Change The Name (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35829718)

Is /. really the place to vent your fustrations w/ personal word associated proclivities?

Just asking...

GIMP devs and Adobe love the name (1)

judeancodersfront (1760122) | more than 3 years ago | (#35829728)

No matter how popular the GIMP gets worldwide it will always have issues with adoption in the US because of the derogatory connotation.

Re:Wake Me When They Change The Name (4, Insightful)

serviscope_minor (664417) | more than 3 years ago | (#35829812)

blah blah blah GIMP sounds funny blah blah blah

Does anyone really care about this anymore? Everyone I know who has started using the GIMP had a chuckle about the name, then really forgot about the name and got on with editing photos.

Basically, noone cares anymore.

And also, language changes. Google "gimp". You have to get to the bottom of the second page before you reach an "urban dictionary" definition of the old meaning. The first two whole pages are about image manipulation.

Re:Wake Me When They Change The Name (1)

Jiro (131519) | more than 3 years ago | (#35830072)

Everyone I know who has started using the GIMP had a chuckle about the name, then really forgot about the name and got on with editing photos.

Everyone you know who has started using GIMP is probably a geek, not an upper level person at a company or other place where image matters.

Re:Wake Me When They Change The Name (2)

mdielmann (514750) | more than 3 years ago | (#35830304)

Obviously people who have chosen to use the software either like the name or don't care about the name. The issue the GPP raises is, is GIMP's market share being reduced due to the poor name? And if it is, why on earth would you want to keep it? By the same logical premise where calling it GIMP shouldn't matter, since the name has no bearing on the functionality, why keep it if it's having a negative effect on your product?

Re:Wake Me When They Change The Name (1)

xtracto (837672) | more than 3 years ago | (#35830106)

Uh... I guess then you won't like if I tell you about this PDF trimmer called Briss.

But yeah, I agree, Open Source program names tend to be quite shitty.

Re:Wake Me When They Change The Name (1)

mugurel (1424497) | more than 3 years ago | (#35830252)

parent would be more appropriately tagged Troll

Re:Wake Me When They Change The Name (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35830352)

At least it's a better name than Awesome

Screenshots? (1)

leuk_he (194174) | more than 3 years ago | (#35829092)

Coutld someone post some link to some pictures... I really hope it makes some pretty pictures.

Coming anytime now (2, Informative)

arielCo (995647) | more than 3 years ago | (#35829144)

Cue:

* Griping about the interface, or Photoshop's interface. Obligatory mention of GIMPshop
* "Not up to scratch for pro work", followed by "I'm a pro and I like it" and "Not much of a pro then" retorts
* "Hey it's free and Photoshop costs $$$"

In 3... 2... 1...

Another day in Slashdot

Re:Coming anytime now (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35829560)

Don't forget the absolutely worthless "cue" comments that add nothing to the discussion and yet somehow get modded up.

Re:Coming anytime now (3, Interesting)

Geeky (90998) | more than 3 years ago | (#35829594)

OK, I'll bite.

Has it got colour management yet?

I switched from Linux to Windows for Photoshop and OS level colour management (with support for calibration tools). No brainer unless you want to spend more than the cost of Photoshop on printer ink and paper.

Re:Coming anytime now (1)

arielCo (995647) | more than 3 years ago | (#35829772)

That'd be news, so you can assume it hasn't. That and adjustment layers. But sooo many arguments here revolve on issues that haven't changed ...

Just out of curiosity (honestly), would it be good enough for professional art that won't be printed?

Re:Coming anytime now (2)

Geeky (90998) | more than 3 years ago | (#35829924)

Maybe, for artwork. Less so for photo editing. A calibrated screen is still useful for knowing that at least on your screen the colours meet some objective standard - you can't control how they appear on other people's screens, of course.

I use adjustment layers extensively on my photos. Rather than trying to dodge and burn on the image, for example, I'll create an adjustment layer and then paint it in over the areas I want to affect. I then blur the mask to soften the edges of the effect, and adjust the opacity until it looks right.

The other thing that stands out for me about Photohshop is how quickly you can preview the effects of filters. Seeing immediate feedback as you change the sliders is pretty much essential for judging effects, and the Gimp was never so good at that. Again, that might be different now.

The other killer for me is that I've now got a couple of actions I use almost all the time, including a really good skin smoothing one that saves so much time when retouching images of people (and applies itself in a layer).

On the other hand I still use ImageMagick for a lot of batch resizing tasks for web-sized images.

Re:Coming anytime now (2)

gmueckl (950314) | more than 3 years ago | (#35830118)

To continue that list: Does it even have support anything higher than 8 bits per channel yet? I really require that for some of my work and I always end up using Photoshop in a Windows VM. At least I've written my own little viewer for HDR images, so I can at least get by without having to fire up PS constantly.

Last I checked, the ability to handle 16 bit integer and floating point formats has been deliberately removed from Krita as well - supposedly because it was suddenly intended to be a painting program which doesn't need such fancy stuff. *sigh*

Re:Coming anytime now (1)

Geeky (90998) | more than 3 years ago | (#35830198)

Yes, that's another killer.

For photos I can just about manage with 8 bit for what I do in Photoshop as I do the basics converting from RAW in Lightroom - but then I need Lightroom. Back to square one.

I'd use a VM myself, but since 99% of what I do with my PC now, other than web browsing, is photo editing I figure there's no point in the overhead (and last I checked the virtual graphics card in VMWare, at least, didn't support colour calibration properly).

Unified Transform Tool? nope. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35829202)

Nope - a unified transform tool is slated for The GIMP 3.8.
http://wiki.gimp.org/index.php/GIMP_Roadmap [gimp.org]

But at least we get "Merge the cage transform tool from GSoC" in this release.
So now an arbitrary vector shape can be deformed and its containing pixels will deform naturally with it.

But we'll have to wait for version 3.8 before we can do rotation, translation and scaling in the same operation.

Priorities - The GIMP team has them.

Imp (2)

tessellated (265314) | more than 3 years ago | (#35829244)

Lets just drop the 'G' and call it 'Imp' from now on...

Re:Imp (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35829404)

Lets just drop the 'G' and call it 'Imp' from now on...

I will be pissed when i try to use imp from the command line and it doesn't work.

another step toward 2.8 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35829274)

high praise indeed

Developers? Are you sure? (1)

cheer_xiao (1929410) | more than 3 years ago | (#35829538)

When talking about GIMP, you'd better say developer(s)... Anyway, it's shame that GIMP is always short of hands.

Help Wanted (3, Informative)

jensend (71114) | more than 3 years ago | (#35829846)

A decade ago, the GIMP was one of the jewels of open source, something everyone would show off to others as an example of what open source development could accomplish. But it's been so short of manpower that it's largely stagnated for quite a while. They could really use some help. See Nordholt's latest blog entry [chromecode.com] for some related thoughts.

Re:Help Wanted (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35830196)

Them and about a million other projects want help... the problem is most people can't code and even among those who can code decent coders are rare. Even more rare is the time decent coders are willing to put into a free project unpaid and unappreciated. I can't code for crap not because I couldn't learn but because I hate coding, but I have happily given money in the past/

Donate for Feature (1)

sourcerror (1718066) | more than 3 years ago | (#35830288)

Well, the opensource world doesn't really have "donate for feature" runs. I think that would really help.
And it would help if some prominent OSS guys were doing a bit of PR for such runs.

A few more years... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#35829968)

A few more years and I am sure it would be comparable with Photoshop 6, or some other graphical editor launched in 2000-2002. Hail Open Source where you can hardly run the last age software on next age hardware!

2.7.2 is another step toward 2.8 (2)

Tuan121 (1715852) | more than 3 years ago | (#35830266)

Really.. thanks for clearing that up!

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